NO IDLING IN CA. JAN. 1

**kc0iv** · 12-18-2007, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Colin

There is a huge opportunity here to make a lot of money.

This is what they do in many large cities in Europe. There are enormous warehouses on the outer rings of the largest cities. These store anything and everything brought in by the large OTR trucks destined for the city. The commodities are offloaded and reloaded onto small city trucks. Usually single screw trucks. We could do the same thing for delivery to California.

A warehouse or two in Ashland, OR for service south to Willows.
Another half dozen or so in Reno to service the Bay Area including Sacramento and south to Fresno.
A few warehouses west of Las Vegas to cover the area south of Fresno to Santa Clarita.
Finally, maybe a dozen or more warehouses just over the border into AZ on I-10 to cover Los Angeles metro and south to the Mexican border.

All OTR traffic would stop at these warehouse cities and unload. While idling of course. :P

Most of the delivery routes leaving from these warehouses would easily be covered in a 11 hour shift. Obviously there would be lots more trucks on the road but they would be smaller and not as heavy.

For pickups inside the state you could either have the small trucks pickup the product and take it back to the out of state warehouses or have the OTR trucks come straight into the shipper, load and get out. Drivers would need to manage their hours so they could get in and get out in one shift. Shippers would need to implement nice lounges with amenities. Delays would need to be addressed by the shipper. Hotel vouchers, hell even private sleeping rooms at the shipper itself. Why not? Do they want to ship their goods or not?

The entire trucking model has to be rethought because of the no idle laws.

This plan would require a lot of labor. :shock:

The concept of off loading freight has been hashed around for years. Nothing seems to have gone very far.

As more and more freight are being put on rails in containers I think you will see less and less OTR drivers. Let alone how few new drivers want to drive OTR. Just look at the ones posting on this board. Most want local or regional runs.

kc0iv

**enobeenob** · 12-19-2007, 03:15 PM

All 2008 trucks with a Exhaust Particle Filter will be allowed to idle in California, there will be exemption stickers that will be issued to stick underneath the hood once it is determined your truck is exempt.

**homealone3** · 12-19-2007, 03:51 PM

Enob, what is your source of info?

**enobeenob** · 12-19-2007, 05:08 PM

The carrier I am leased to just released a company FYI memo regarding their 2008 company trucks. Also some of their 2003-2007 trucks can have their computers reprogrammed to comply with the Emission regs.

They will also receive a exemption sticker to be put under the hood stating the engine complies with no idle emissions, so if any LEO asks if you are in compliance you can show that your engine was modified to conform to the 2008 regs and you will be exempt.

**GMAN** · 12-19-2007, 06:55 PM

I am curious about these new EPA engines. How can an engine burn more fuel and be more fuel efficient? They will allow a new engine to idle and burn more fuel than an older engine. I have met a number of owner operators who have bought these so called energy efficient engines and they all seem to have one thing in common......they all burn more fuel. :shock: Some were getting around 7 mpg and are now getting 4.5-5 mpg. It must be this new type of math. :?

**bikerboy** · 12-20-2007, 11:40 AM

NY already had a no idling law. But go into any truckstop in NY and trucks will be idling. I have done it before and never been fined.

I don't care what the law says, i will idle for heat or AC nomatter where i am.
If i ever get fined, that will be the end of my OTR days if the company refuses to pay fine and refuses to provide a APU as an alternative.

So everyone just idle, they can't catch everyone!

If your truck has auto shutdown and still won't stay running with the idle bumped up, just don't set tractor parking brakes, only use trailer brakes when parked, and i bet truck won't shut off!

Some trucks have the autoshutdown wired into the parking brakes somehow.

**wastehauler** · 01-06-2008, 07:21 AM

A friend of mine told me about this sleeping pad that cools and heats. He has one in his cab and it works great. He says the unit only pulls about 30 watts. The cooling function is the best part. Check it out:

www.coolorheat.com

**BIG JEEP on 44's** · 01-06-2008, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by wastehauler

A friend of mine told me about this sleeping pad that cools and heats. He has one in his cab and it works great. He says the unit only pulls about 30 watts. The cooling function is the best part. Check it out:

www.coolorheat.com

A cooling pad isn't going to keep you cool in the summer parked in 100 degree heat...especially 100+ degree heat in the south . You can just barely keep the cab comfortable there with butterfly valve closed and the A/C cranked ...Also during the real cold months when it gets down anywhere from 35 degrees all the way to-20 degrees below zero a pad and some heavy blankets might keep you warm ,but you're going to wake up with on hell of a sore throat from swallowing that cold air that will take few hours to go away .

**scania** · 01-06-2008, 02:24 PM

I'm not a driver (yet) but if your company has a load for you to Ca.,couldn't you just refuse it for safety reasons?
Not being able to idle kinda goes hand in hand with safety the way I see it,let them morons over there run out of everything that's being trucked over there,in fact companies ought to be the ones turning Ca. loads down!

**Flashmann** · 01-06-2008, 03:03 PM