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[kc0iv]

Sorry to hijack this thread but I got no responces in the one I posetd. Seem like a few recuters reading this one.

ANY Thoughts
Miloh.??

Maybe you should read http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/rules.php Start with rule #1.

kc0iv

Umm..... KC?? I can't believe you left yourself open for this, but......

You might want to see your own link, and start with rule #3!

golfhobo,

In this case I'm willing to take the heat. It is one thing which most of us do at one time or another to drift off topic. But to willingly attempt to change the topic because someone can't get a response from their own topic to me is a totally different matter. Let alone just plain rude.

kc0iv

[Yakman]

wow this is kind of scary SteveBooth told Miloh what he could do, if he wanted to " the best he could" now the guy is back to try to make a point of what ? and hes hauling hazmat and trips ? i know you don't need phd to drive a truck but dont you need to have so level of intelligent s or at least a basic IQ ?...my god my kids are out there with these people

[golfhobo]

wow this is kind of scary SteveBooth told Miloh what he could do, if he wanted to " the best he could" now the guy is back to try to make a point of what ? and hes hauling hazmat and trips ? i know you don't need phd to drive a truck but dont you need to have so level of intelligent s or at least a basic IQ ?...my god my kids are out there with these people

Yakman: SteveBooth was obviously kidding. Miloh came back and was likewise kidding (I believe) about the failed business. From what Miloh said, he is WELL experienced at several aspects of truck driving, and is just frustrated that he can't get back in due to "elective" surgery.

But if he WERE serious about "lying" about his unemployment time.... I'm SURE you can relate. And sometimes, it is NOT the worst option. Having elective back surgery, IF it won't affect his ability to drive a truck, is not exactly the same as "doing time." But, in today's industry, the insurance companies are pretty much blind to the difference.

After you've BEEN here awhile, you will know when one of the regulars are kidding. And don't forget.... your kids are out there with a bunch of stupid 4wheelers, with cellphones to their ears, and coke up their nose, TOO! And not ONE of them could pass the CDL exam without studying or schooling for a fair amount of time.

I THINK you misunderstood the nature of the posts. If so.... I believe Miloh will accept your apology. :wink:

If NOT.... I offer you MINE!

[golfhobo]

Umm..... KC?? I can't believe you left yourself open for this, but......

You might want to see your own link, and start with rule #3!

golfhobo,

In this case I'm willing to take the heat. It is one thing which most of us do at one time or another to drift off topic. But to willingly attempt to change the topic because someone can't get a response from their own topic to me is a totally different matter. Let alone just plain rude.

kc0iv

Sorry, KC! And I DO understand your point! However, rule #1 specifically mentions the word "CONSISTENTLY" hijacking.... which WOULD be disruptive! Miloh is (as far as I know) a "First time offender."

The guy is just a bit frustrated and desperate, and IMHO, showed at least some respect by "chasing down" those whom he thought could help him, and APOLOGIZED for his breach of the rules.

Like you said, we are ALL guilty of hijacking at times. As I believe we have just done again!

I'm sure you KNOW that I wasn't out to "burn your tailfeathers!" I just couldn't resist! 8)

[Yakman]

golfs
right and i am sorry about my outburst Miloh, i was out of line a bit "sorry"
i sux to have to lie on an application or leave things out that you dont want them to know..but to me what is even worse is to not be able to provide for your family as a result...once more i feel even worse because in your case
its not like you had some kind of choice in matter you were in allot of pain you had to get the surgery of suffer so again i am really sorry man anyway
hijack away buddy its all yours

COME ON YOU GUYS HELP THIS GUY OUT DAMIT

[Miloh]

I was clowning about telling something other than the truth, I know that a man's past can't be hid. I just have not had anybody tell me exactly why I;m not getting any responces, I was asking for opinions from the fellas.
I didn't mean to jack anybody up.

Sorry to any I offended. Miloh.

[inmate1577]

i know what he is trying to do,he said peace, made his point the first time,
it didn't really have much to do with the original post,but thats cool point well taken...the thing is i was hoping to hear from some real men here with some decent input good or bad and not some ****** bag with nothing better to do
then to make a worthless comment about spelling , now hes quoting lines from movies like a woman..........

whatever....

Real men dont LIE.

And before you call anyone a "****** bag" please realize some people dont have to LIE to get a job. There's a concept....telling the truth. Try it sometime unless it goes against your personal beliefs.

Bull*****!!! Real men, if there IS such a thing, LIE all the time!
Liars are no different from thieves, you may subsidize it because "other people do it" I dont.

Consider the example of Bush! (IF he can be considered a real man.)
We are not talking politicians who make lying a career, are we?

I suppose you think YOU are a "real man" and you have NEVER lied? I doubt it! A real man is someone who realizes that LYING will get you nowhere and will get you NO respect. DO you trust liars???? I shouldnt have asked that question, as you will probably waffle around with some lame excuse, just like our resident lying felon.
[Oh, and BTW.... people should learn punctuation, even OUT of prison!]

This MAN has come on here looking for help, admitting his faults, and explaining in detail his life's story. I find it particularly "redeemable" that he felt guilt about his crime, and whether solely based on that, or not, he gave away money to the NEEDY! Would that those who HAVE legal millions would do more of the same! What a load of horsesh*t! If he felt guilt at all, he wouldnt have broken the law. The fact is , and you all do gooders who always complain about the image trucking, is that he intentionally LIED on his application, just as he intentionally committed his crimes. Spare me the hypocrisy.
I see nothing about counterfeiting that poses a security risk to the trucking industry. There are drivers out here with WORSE felony records! It may take TIME to overcome it..... but it is NOT drug dealing, murder, or even embezzlement from a company! More leftist garbage. Lets just evaluate each crime on how it EFFECTS....YOU. Hey, with that mindset, child molesters should get a second chance as long as they didnt molest YOUR kids, right?
Apparently, MANY here are too young to remember the doings of both management AND truckers in the early days of the Teamsters! There are more than a FEW "dirty hands" out there driving rigs!
And still are, so we should accept everyone , right?

I, for one, believe this guy. He's learned his lesson and has a NEW outlook on life. I don't see ANYTHING in the field of trucking that indicates the imperative that we all be the "cream of society!"

So why bother even trying. As long as the non-trucking world considers us scumbags, lets just not try to change that image? Good mindset, please dont complain anymore about truckers who run illegal, why bother?

MANY of you couldn't even pass the negligible requirements of a SECRET clearance for the government.... which is all that is required to be a Security Guard at a govenment contractor site! A Hazmat endorsement, even under the new Homeland Security Act, is a JOKE! You've got no room to talk!
I have room to talk because I have cleared all security clearances. Nice try...keep going. You are going down faster than the Titanic.

If being a trucker required a "squeaky clean past," many of you would be working at McDonalds! The fact is.... YOU don't get to make the rules! YOU don't run the mega companies! YOU are just a driver! Apparently, a task that the government feels can be trusted EVEN to an illiterate foreigner!
Not many have a squeeky clean past. But here is the difference I didnt TRY TO HIDE IT. In fact....because I didnt try to HIDE even the most minor of things and was HONEST I got hired for all jobs I've worked. Wow...honesty....theres a novel concept.

I don't know just WHAT felonies are acceptable to carriers. I don't HAVE any. And unless you are a recruiter, I doubt that many of YOU know either! Yet, you get on your high horse and criticize ANYONE who doesn't fit your impression of a "good American!"
Counterfeiting is akin to THEFT. And once a liar and a thief, always a liar and a thief. As shipper I'd sure trust that person to haul my goods....???
Did anyone ASK the poster if he was a veteran of the military? I have no reason to suspect he is, but.... you'd sing a different tune if he WAS... wouldn't you? No I wouldnt, I could care less if he was or wasnt, it has nothing to do with the offense.
But, I suspect you can't even consider that veterans can sometimes become "criminals." And then, again, be rehabilitated. It happens EVERY day! Yes, veterans can become criminals, so can popsicle salesmen. But yes you can become rehabilitated, but is it rehabilitated to be all remorseful of your crimes, and still lie about it to employers. A real man would stand up and admit his errors, probably get more respect too.
In your LITTLE minds, he is probably a leftist liberal who lives off the government! Because, of course, upstanding Republicans NEVER make criminal mistakes! No in my little mind you are the leftist liberal who is trying to make being a LIAR politcally correct.
This post is NOT directed specifically at YOU, Inmate! For all I know, you've never had so much as a speeding ticket! But, that doesn't give you the right, under the Constitution, to place yourself ABOVE those who've made mistakes in life, and ANY "implied" right of superiority, is as you say.... a FANTASY!
Yes it does, Bill of Rights, Freedom of Speech...maybe you heard about it?

Editied to correct spelling of the word punctuation. My eyes are getting older than my "nads."

Hi Yakman,

No, I wasn't kidding, I really wanted to know and thanks for the answer. Good luck man!!!

[Trukrswyfe]

Sorry Yakman idea for Miloh,

Husband has a bad back. Needed some time off not for surgery but to change occupations. Anyway during that time I went to work and he stayed home with the kids.
So one could say quite honestly that he was a stay at home dad with the kids but the budget couldn't handle the single income so you are going back to work. Or anyway you want to color it. The wife's job wasn't paying what your family needed. You got bored and couldn't hack it with the kids( tougher than you thought). Hows that?? Hope that helps. It's not lying. The companies don't come right out and tell you why the postion is suddenly open do they? Job is the pits, hours suck, pay sucks, the people that work here suck and the last guy was sick of it and now we have an opening.

[golfhobo]

Real men dont LIE.

And before you call anyone a "****** bag" please realize some people dont have to LIE to get a job. There's a concept....telling the truth. Try it sometime unless it goes against your personal beliefs.

Yes, SOME people don't have to lie to get a job. By definition, that means some people DO. Would you rather they DON'T get a job? Are you willing to support them and their families on welfare? Or would you prefer they result to thievery? Or do you prefer "the final solution?" Man will survive whatever it takes. Since you deem yourself to be GOD.... which of these choices will you accept. I don't really see any other options.

Bull*****!!! Real men, if there IS such a thing, LIE all the time!

Liars are no different from thieves, you may subsidize it because "other people do it" I dont.

First, I didn't mean to imply that real men lie ALL the time. It's a figure of speech. But, I believe if you check the dictionary, you'll find the difference between liars and thieves. [you might also find the right word instead of "subsidize.] Of course, you were also just using a figure of speech. But, to ME... there IS a difference. If you LIE to me, and it doesn't really affect me, then you only hurt yourself. But, if you STEAL from me, that affects ME.

Consider the example of Bush! (IF he can be considered a real man.)

We are not talking politicians who make lying a career, are we?

Who says Bush is a politician??

I suppose you think YOU are a "real man" and you have NEVER lied? I doubt it!

A real man is someone who realizes that LYING will get you nowhere and will get you NO respect. DO you trust liars???? I shouldnt have asked that question, as you will probably waffle around with some lame excuse, just like our resident lying felon.

No, in general, I don't. However, I will trust a man who admits his faults, and even admits that he has lied. Someone who tells me he has NEVER lied, is probably LYING, and I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. :wink:

This MAN has come on here looking for help, admitting his faults, and explaining in detail his life's story. I find it particularly "redeemable" that he felt guilt about his crime, and whether solely based on that, or not, he gave away money to the NEEDY! Would that those who HAVE legal millions would do more of the same!

What a load of horsesh*t! If he felt guilt at all, he wouldnt have broken the law. The fact is , and you all do gooders who always complain about the image trucking, is that he intentionally LIED on his application, just as he intentionally committed his crimes. Spare me the hypocrisy.

Um... I'm pretty sure it's impossible to feel GUILT until AFTER you've committed the crime. But, I'm not excusing his felony. He paid the price for it, and has stayed "clean" for 15 years. I fail to see any hypocrisy in my statement that I'd like to see him get another chance. As for his lying on his application, no I don't think it was smart. But, given all the lying done by recruiters, dispatchers, and companies in this industry.... I think it's a bit hypocritical to expect the DRIVER's to be totally honest!

I see nothing about counterfeiting that poses a security risk to the trucking industry. There are drivers out here with WORSE felony records! It may take TIME to overcome it..... but it is NOT drug dealing, murder, or even embezzlement from a company!

More leftist garbage. Lets just evaluate each crime on how it EFFECTS....YOU. Hey, with that mindset, child molesters should get a second chance as long as they didnt molest YOUR kids, right?

You could do worse than evaluate crimes based on MY humble opinion. I believe they are currently being evaluated based on the arbitrary opinions of a corrupt INSURANCE industry! I don't think we need to muddy the waters by discussing molesters since it's not relevant to the discussion. And you wouldn't LIKE my retaliatory remark! 8)

Apparently, MANY here are too young to remember the doings of both management AND truckers in the early days of the Teamsters! There are more than a FEW "dirty hands" out there driving rigs!

And still are, so we should accept everyone , right?

Um.... I believe that is what I JUST said! But, no.... we needn't accept EVERYONE. But, if we exclude everyone who has ever told a "white lie," we'd have to park every truck on the road! You ever listen to the CB??

I, for one, believe this guy. He's learned his lesson and has a NEW outlook on life. I don't see ANYTHING in the field of trucking that indicates the imperative that we all be the "cream of society!"

So why bother even trying. As long as the non-trucking world considers us scumbags, lets just not try to change that image? Good mindset, please dont complain anymore about truckers who run illegal, why bother?

First, "I" am not the one complaining about those who run illegal. As for our "reputation," I don't think it comes from applicants who would try to hide a past felony. When YOU can get all truckers to dress well and dispose of their "trash" properly.... then I'll listen to your concerns about whether any of them have ever LIED!

MANY of you couldn't even pass the negligible requirements of a SECRET clearance for the government.... which is all that is required to be a Security Guard at a govenment contractor site! A Hazmat endorsement, even under the new Homeland Security Act, is a JOKE! You've got no room to talk!

I have room to talk because I have cleared all security clearances. Nice try...keep going. You are going down faster than the Titanic.

Yeah, right! Then, I suppose that without googling, you can tell me the programs indicated by the abbreviations JS, TR, and VO?? Do you HAVE a TS EBI file number? You think a hazmat investigation is thorough? You haven't LIVED until the gov't has done an Extensive Background Investigation on you. My point was that, most truckers have enough in their past, hell most PEOPLE DO, that they can't get MORE than a SECRET clearance. Those who HAVE them, think they've accomplished something. What they've accomplished is to have proven that they are no worse than the average common citizen, and therefore can stand guard at the GATE!

If being a trucker required a "squeaky clean past," many of you would be working at McDonalds! The fact is.... YOU don't get to make the rules! YOU don't run the mega companies! YOU are just a driver! Apparently, a task that the government feels can be trusted EVEN to an illiterate foreigner!

Not many have a squeeky clean past. But here is the difference I didnt TRY TO HIDE IT. In fact....because I didnt try to HIDE even the most minor of things and was HONEST I got hired for all jobs I've worked. Wow...honesty....theres a novel concept.

Wow.... I'm impressed! Here's your Gold Star!! BTW.... it would be pretty difficult NOT to get HIRED for every job you've WORKED. You're right tho.... "honesty" IS a novel concept! It hasn't served governments well throughout history, nor has it kept all but the most "trusting" of marriages intact (yeah, honey... I slept with your best friend... but at least I TOLD you about it.) And I SURE hope our human intel agents have dispensed with the concept! (Hi!... I'm with the CIA. Are you a terrorist?) I think you get my point.

I don't know just WHAT felonies are acceptable to carriers. I don't HAVE any. And unless you are a recruiter, I doubt that many of YOU know either! Yet, you get on your high horse and criticize ANYONE who doesn't fit your impression of a "good American!"

Counterfeiting is akin to THEFT. And once a liar and a thief, always a liar and a thief. As shipper I'd sure trust that person to haul my goods....???

Yes, I can agree with your first statement. As for the second statement... would you then agree that "once a drug addict and a drunk, ALWAYS one?" If so.... meet your President of the last 7 years! I don't have much respect for the man... and yes, it's because he's a LIAR.... but, I don't hold his PAST against him concerning his drug abuse. It is obvious to me that he has cleaned up THAT aspect of his life. I think the original poster has done the SAME concerning his criminal action, and YES.... I would trust him to haul my goods!

[/b]In your LITTLE minds, he is probably a leftist liberal who lives off the government! Because, of course, upstanding Republicans NEVER make criminal mistakes!

No in my little mind you are the leftist liberal who is trying to make being a LIAR politcally correct.

Well.... at least we agree about you having a Little mind! :wink:

This post is NOT directed specifically at YOU, Inmate! For all I know, you've never had so much as a speeding ticket! But, that doesn't give you the right, under the Constitution, to place yourself ABOVE those who've made mistakes in life, and ANY "implied" right of superiority, is as you say.... a FANTASY!

Yes it does, Bill of Rights, Freedom of Speech...maybe you heard about it?

The First Ammendment gives you the right to SAY whatever you want. It does NOT give you any right to assume superiority. BTW... it has ALSO been "limited" by subsequent laws against HATE SPEECH.

You might ALSO consider the Declaration of Independence which says, All Men are Created Equal... and that implies a certain "acceptance" of their faults. "For NONE are without sin... no not one," (that's from the Bible.) And.... "people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones." (That's from contemporary Americana.)

You may be PERFECT, Inmate. And if so, I submit that it is YOU who should be on display in the zoo. The REST of us have faults, and we get by the best way we can.

INTOLERANCE is the last bastion of the IGNORANT, and the cornerstone of OPPRESSION. YOU can call it "leftist garbage" if that's all you can come up with.... I call it FASCISM.

I really HOPE you have a response to this, but I doubt it. But, if you do.... please make it full blown, because....

"IF you're booking passage on the Titanic, there's no sense in going "steerage!" (That's from the MOVIES!)

And, BTW.... no offense intended.... and none taken (so far.) I just like a good debate, and you are (at most) a "fair" sparring partner! But, if I were you, I'd keep that LEFT up just a bit, to protect that swollen eye!

HOBO

[Yakman]

i was watching msnbs dateline with chris hanson to catch a predator epasode
last night, its a televised sting operation where they catch dirty old men who try to hook up with 12 and 13 year old girls via internet chat rooms,these guys make me want to puke,but it was kind of funny to watch them get nailed by chris hanson one right after the other kept showing up at a setup
house to meet up with what they thought was a home alone 11 to 13 year old girl...anyway one guy shows up in a tractor no trailer just a truck with a sleeper ,the guy gets out hes long haired 48 ish looking dude thinking hes going to meet a 12 year old girl hes been doing some dirty chatting with on the net, he walks in and out pops chris hanson hes eyes light up like a dear about to get smashed by the truck in the drive way, he knew he was busted
he b lines for the truck and the county sheriff are waiting for him and take him down,search the truck find cocaine and run a background check to find out its not his first felony arrest for drugs ....did i miss something ? how is it this sleez bag can get a cdl and a good job and i cant ?

[Uturn2001]

An arrest is different than a conviction.

[Yakman]

oh ok thank you for clearing that up for me Uturn its all verry clear to me now YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF DUMB *****.........



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[golfhobo]

oh ok thank you for clearing that up for me Uturn its all verry clear to me now YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF DUMB *** ..........

Yakman: I'm sorry you feel that way! I think Uturn was only trying to answer your question. He's a pretty "fact based" kind of guy.

I was really hoping to see some GOOD news update from you when I saw this thread was alive again. I was disappointed to see you lashing out at US, for something that is not OUR fault.

My answer would have been something like this: Unfortunately, it is BECAUSE of people like this now infamous driver, that people like you are having a hard time getting a job. I don't really know HOW he got his latest job, but there must be some explanation. That doesn't help YOU.... and I'm sorry for that. I really think YOU deserve a break, and as this driver proved, it IS possible. Perhaps you should call the company HE worked for. [But, I might would WAIT for the dust to settle!]

I don't think I am the ONLY one on this board who is rooting for you. I think you should try to remember that.

[WildK9]

oh ok thank you for clearing that up for me Uturn its all verry clear to me now YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF DUMB#### .......

I don't think I am the ONLY one on this board who is rooting for you. I think you should try to remember that.

So true! That broad-based stereotypical comment doesn't help. I'm hoping he doesn't let anger control him that easily and that his statement was misinterpreted by me.

Yakman: This is an internet forum, and as such, will have many types of personalities. (i.e.- jokesters, truth seekers, liars, blowhards, fact staters, etc...) Don't let ANY particular type get under your skin. As in real life - DON'T take things too personally. :wink:

K9