How often do you open the DOT handbook to look up certain regulations on driving a Commercial Vehicle?
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New drivers and old drivers. poll for you.
How often do you open the DOT handbook to look up certain regulations on driving a Commercial Vehicle?
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Honestly..... I can say that I've never done so. Not saying its the companies fault at all, but the fact that I would only know what I needed to pertaining to whatever position I was in..... like OTR or LOCAL for instance.... A LOT of differences there... :wink:
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Not according to the DOT or the FMCSR'sOriginally Posted by unkut2003
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i have looked at the FMSCR or whatever it is called. Not the best read but everyone look at the hazardous material book periodically
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Not according to the DOT or the FMCSR's
Well there are some pretty MAJOR differences. For example, LOCAL drivers recieve an exception to the 14 hr rule if they regularly return to their normal work reporting location! This allows you to acquire 11 hrs of drive time within 16 hrs of consecutive on duty time once every seven days! LOCAL drivers are not even required to maintain a log providing they do not go over 100 air feet or 12hrs in a single day! Neither of these 2 examples apply to OTR positions. So, there ARE differences... :wink:
Something else I never knew about the "11 HR RULE" is the ways to "extend" it. Like breaking up your sleeper berth time.... and adverse driving conditions, such as snow, heavy rain, traffic jams, unusual road conditions, ect. Should you encounter any of the above problems it allows you up to 2 additional hours to complete your run.... with the only "rule" being that the situation could not have been foreseen at the time you began work that day!!! Personally, I LOVE this exception!!! Especially when your runnin good and get slammed up in a downtown construction zone, accident, or rediculous detours... :wink:
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Troll.Not according to the DOT or the FMCSR's
Well there are some pretty MAJOR differences. For example, LOCAL drivers recieve an exception to the 14 hr rule if they regularly return to their normal work reporting location! This allows you to acquire 11 hrs of drive time within 16 hrs of consecutive on duty time once every seven days! LOCAL drivers are not even required to maintain a log providing they do not go over 100 air feet or 12hrs in a single day! Neither of these 2 examples apply to OTR positions. So, there ARE differences... :wink:
Something else I never knew about the "11 HR RULE" is the ways to "extend" it. Like breaking up your sleeper berth time.... and adverse driving conditions, such as snow, heavy rain, traffic jams, unusual road conditions, ect. Should you encounter any of the above problems it allows you up to 2 additional hours to complete your run.... with the only "rule" being that the situation could not have been foreseen at the time you began work that day!!! Personally, I LOVE this exception!!! Especially when your runnin good and get slammed up in a downtown construction zone, accident, or rediculous detours... :wink:
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Seriously homie.... WTF is a troll??? And WHY do you consistently call me that??? Cut the crap and lay it out right here cause quite frankly I'm about tired of hearin it!!!Troll.Not according to the DOT or the FMCSR's
Well there are some pretty MAJOR differences. For example, LOCAL drivers recieve an exception to the 14 hr rule if they regularly return to their normal work reporting location! This allows you to acquire 11 hrs of drive time within 16 hrs of consecutive on duty time once every seven days! LOCAL drivers are not even required to maintain a log providing they do not go over 100 air feet or 12hrs in a single day! Neither of these 2 examples apply to OTR positions. So, there ARE differences... :wink:
Something else I never knew about the "11 HR RULE" is the ways to "extend" it. Like breaking up your sleeper berth time.... and adverse driving conditions, such as snow, heavy rain, traffic jams, unusual road conditions, ect. Should you encounter any of the above problems it allows you up to 2 additional hours to complete your run.... with the only "rule" being that the situation could not have been foreseen at the time you began work that day!!! Personally, I LOVE this exception!!! Especially when your runnin good and get slammed up in a downtown construction zone, accident, or rediculous detours... :wink:
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Hmmm, Thats something I have never heard of? Breaking up the sleeper birth allows you to drive more than 11 hours between breaks?
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What is an Internet Troll/ Forum troll?
* An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" or "Message Board Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.
A classic CureZone troll is trying to make us believe that he is a genuine skeptic with no hidden agenda. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.
While sometimes, he may sound like a stupid, uninformed, ignorant poster, do not be deceived! Most trolls are highly intelligent people trying to hide behind a mask of stupidity and/or ignorance! They usually have an agenda. Very few trolls come to CureZone out of pure skepticism.
A CureZone Troll is generally a person who is extremely skeptical of the main forum subject.
He is generally interested to make other forum members look stupid. A troll will sometimes use insults to provoke other people to insult him. Then, he will complain to moderators of being insulted and will request that his opponents get banned from further discussion.
It is generally very easy to troll any one of several hundreds of support forums on CureZone. As the majority of support forums on CureZone are about alternatives to commercialized medicine, all you have to do to start a flaming thread is to start questioning the main subject of discussion and to provoke insults from hard core proponents. It has been done every few weeks. It is strictly against our rules!
Initiating debates on CureZone support forums is strictly against the rules.
CureZone has plenty of debate forums where those interested in questioning can have free rain.
Even debate forums on CureZone can be trolled by name calling and by provoking name calling. Those trolls are quickly banned from CureZone.
He (and in 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Sometimes, he is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Many curezone trolls are people trying to promote Quackwatch / ratbags agenda through fear mongering.
For many trolls, lack of hard evidence about any therapy equals "DANGER". He will try to scare people from even trying the therapy just because there is no hard evidence that therapy is more effective then placebo.
Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.
Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator. CureZone moderators usually delete troll messages or block trolls. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.
Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.
When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them.
Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed.
Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself.
Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and type only this:
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people don't read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers.
* Troll Message is an outrageous message posted to a message board, newsgroup or mailing list to bait people to answer.
* Trolls of Scandinavian Mythology: another Troll, internet troll & forum troll Once upon a time, evil dwarfs were living in hills, forests and mounds. They were stumpy, misshapen, humpbacked, with a long nose, long hair and a long tail. Trolls were inclined to thieving, and fond of carrying off children. They would substitute one of their own offspring for that of a human mother. They were called "hill-people", and they were especially averse to noise, from a recollection of the time when god Thor used to fling his hammer after them. Not all trolls were evil!. Some trolls were helping people. Some trolls were only playing games. But, evil trolls were the one that kids were most afraid of. Some trolls were small, other were giants.
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Yeah I typed that wrong, haha! What I meant was I never knew you could break up your off duty time by using the sleeper berth. For instance, like drive for 5hrs, take 4 off, then drive for 6hrs, and take off the last six. With your on duty time accumulated whenever of course. I was always under the impression it had to be a STRAIGHT 10 off???Hmmm, Thats something I have never heard of? Breaking up the sleeper birth allows you to drive more than 11 hours between breaks?
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One of the breaks has to be 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth, so it's not quite a liberal as you describe. I, for one, would much rather take a 6/4 or 5/5 split as I never sleep for eight hours, but I don't make the rules.Yeah I typed that wrong, haha! What I meant was I never knew you could break up your off duty time by using the sleeper berth. For instance, like drive for 5hrs, take 4 off, then drive for 6hrs, and take off the last six. With your on duty time accumulated whenever of course. I was always under the impression it had to be a STRAIGHT 10 off???Hmmm, Thats something I have never heard of? Breaking up the sleeper birth allows you to drive more than 11 hours between breaks?
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What is an Internet Troll/ Forum troll?
* An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" or "Message Board Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.
A classic CureZone troll is trying to make us believe that he is a genuine skeptic with no hidden agenda. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.
While sometimes, he may sound like a stupid, uninformed, ignorant poster, do not be deceived! Most trolls are highly intelligent people trying to hide behind a mask of stupidity and/or ignorance! They usually have an agenda. Very few trolls come to CureZone out of pure skepticism.
A CureZone Troll is generally a person who is extremely skeptical of the main forum subject.
He is generally interested to make other forum members look stupid. A troll will sometimes use insults to provoke other people to insult him. Then, he will complain to moderators of being insulted and will request that his opponents get banned from further discussion.
It is generally very easy to troll any one of several hundreds of support forums on CureZone. As the majority of support forums on CureZone are about alternatives to commercialized medicine, all you have to do to start a flaming thread is to start questioning the main subject of discussion and to provoke insults from hard core proponents. It has been done every few weeks. It is strictly against our rules!
Initiating debates on CureZone support forums is strictly against the rules.
CureZone has plenty of debate forums where those interested in questioning can have free rain.
Even debate forums on CureZone can be trolled by name calling and by provoking name calling. Those trolls are quickly banned from CureZone.
He (and in 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Sometimes, he is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Many curezone trolls are people trying to promote Quackwatch / ratbags agenda through fear mongering.
For many trolls, lack of hard evidence about any therapy equals "DANGER". He will try to scare people from even trying the therapy just because there is no hard evidence that therapy is more effective then placebo.
Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.
Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator. CureZone moderators usually delete troll messages or block trolls. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.
Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.
When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them.
Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed.
Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself.
Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and type only this:
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people don't read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers.
* Troll Message is an outrageous message posted to a message board, newsgroup or mailing list to bait people to answer.
* Trolls of Scandinavian Mythology: another Troll, internet troll & forum troll Once upon a time, evil dwarfs were living in hills, forests and mounds. They were stumpy, misshapen, humpbacked, with a long nose, long hair and a long tail. Trolls were inclined to thieving, and fond of carrying off children. They would substitute one of their own offspring for that of a human mother. They were called "hill-people", and they were especially averse to noise, from a recollection of the time when god Thor used to fling his hammer after them. Not all trolls were evil!. Some trolls were helping people. Some trolls were only playing games. But, evil trolls were the one that kids were most afraid of. Some trolls were small, other were giants.
WOW!!!I can't believe there is an "actual" definition!!! But NO, I'm no troll, LOL!!! This all aroused from a post I made about scales and a logbook.... which were infact both out of my complete ignorance to the fact. I had never passed a scale as all of my 5 1/2 years has been local in the Toledo, OH area, where there are NO scales present. And were within a 100 miles of the plant, so logs weren't used either. So please don't take my ignorance to the industry as a "Troll Alert"!!! I'm sure we were all new at one time.... and had to experience things for the first time. They always say that the only stupid question is the one you don't ask....... well...... in this case that seems....
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One of the breaks has to be 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth, so it's not quite a liberal as you describe. I, for one, would much rather take a 6/4 or 5/5 split as I never sleep for eight hours, but I don't make the rules.Yeah I typed that wrong, haha! What I meant was I never knew you could break up your off duty time by using the sleeper berth. For instance, like drive for 5hrs, take 4 off, then drive for 6hrs, and take off the last six. With your on duty time accumulated whenever of course. I was always under the impression it had to be a STRAIGHT 10 off???Hmmm, Thats something I have never heard of? Breaking up the sleeper birth allows you to drive more than 11 hours between breaks?
I honestly don't think you do. Now I may be wrong here, but as long as your 2 breaks add up to 10... then your good! So if you have a 2 and then a 8....10! Or 5 then another 5....10! I mean, if someone knows for sure please copy/paste the actual rule so we can be SURE. Or atleast provide the article # so I can research it myself.
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Yep, you are.
I honestly don't think you do. Now I may be wrong here,
Nope, you're not.but as long as your 2 breaks add up to 10... then your good!
Google is your friend.So if you have a 2 and then a 8....10! Or 5 then another 5....10! I mean, if someone knows for sure please copy/paste the actual rule so we can be SURE. Or atleast provide the article # so I can research it myself.
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Yep, you are.
I honestly don't think you do. Now I may be wrong here,
Nope, you're not.but as long as your 2 breaks add up to 10... then your good!
Google is your friend.So if you have a 2 and then a 8....10! Or 5 then another 5....10! I mean, if someone knows for sure please copy/paste the actual rule so we can be SURE. Or atleast provide the article # so I can research it myself.
Well seeing as how I've always been local, and recently switched to short-haul, your probably right. 8)
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IM sure there is a page in the book about entering open weigh stations :shock:
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Unkut, Vito IS right!!! 8/2 period. The 8 must be on line 2, Daycabbers cannot breakup their 10hrs Off duty.Well seeing as how I've always been local, and recently switched to short-haul, your probably right.
What article do you need us to look for: When your boss gets you your packet of logs, have him get you an FMCSR book. Thats all you will need.if someone knows for sure please copy/paste the actual rule so we can be SURE. Or atleast provide the article # so I can research it myself.
If your boss fails with the logs and the FMCSR, any Travel Center (Truck Stop) will have a copy.
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Ok, then I probably read or understanded it wrong.... my fault. And yes, haha, I stopped into the T/A on I-280 and grabbed me a pack of logs...
Rookie
Start here: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...fmcsrguide.htm and please stop at the nearest truckstop and get the green rule book. There is also a red book for haz-mat, wouldn't hurt to get that one too just so know what the placarding means.
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Yeah I just studied and passed my Hazmat/Tanker/Doubles-Triples. But again, A LOT of the rules aren't in that study guide, haha, so thanks for the tips!!! I've been a a couple truck stops to fuel up, maily Flyin J since I have the TC card. I was SO nervous my first time, lol!!! Hell, I didn't even know what the "ENTER CC#" meant, lmfao!!!
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