Help with Logs

[PorkChop81]

Ok, so I haven't been OTR in a while, but I'm getting back into it. I have been reading and reading and one person says one thing and 20 say 20 different things.

I know the old rules went along the lines of no 34 hr reset and could only drive 10 hrs or what not.

I've also heard that As of Sept.1, 2007 the rules are changing again, going back to 10hrs driving after 10hrs off duty/sleeper. I also read that the 34 hr reset is being dropped. What is the truth to this???

My other question is this. If you start at 12am and drive 11 hrs and then take 10 off....your left with 4 hrs. Are you allowed that with the way the rules ARE NOW? I'm confused by these 2 things.

In that cenerio above......are you only allowed 14hrs total per a 24 hr time frame????? And how exactly does this 60/70 hour rule work? I see that if you are out of Hrs.....then you can drive what you had 8 days prior......if you didnt do anything that day and logged off duty for that day.....then you aren't allowed to legally drive???? Can someone explain this to me. Thanks for reading my Idiot/Rookie question...but I would like to be certain before I get out there. Note, that I will be running for myself and running completely legal, so...no worries of breaking the laws at all! Thanks again!

Chop

[VitoCorleone99]

The 24 hour timeframe is irrelevant with respect to the 11 and 14 hour rules. Assuming you have ten consecutive hours off, you can work 14 hours in a day.

The 24 hour timeframe becomes relevant with respect to the 70 hour rule. Once your 70 hours are used up, there are currently two ways to get hours back. (1) take 34 consecutive hours off and pick up a fresh 70, or (2) pick up (at midnight) whatever hours drop off from eight days prior.

If there were zero hours on duty for the day you're picking up, you don't pick up hours that day, unless you reach 34 consecutive hours off at some point during the day. Otherwise, you would have to wait for another midnight to pass.

[PorkChop81]

Ok....so basically.......if I'm sitting at 70hrs and 8 are dropping from the 8th day prior, then I'm legally able to log 8 hrs....ok....got that finally!

Now with the regards of the new rules/laws going in to effect Sept 1, 2007.....do you know if all that is true, or what exactly is being changed? I'd like to keep up with things for when I hit the road.

If you know a direct link to the correct info, that would be nice if you can't answer it yourself, or don't want to type it all out for me!

Thanks for the reply!

Chop

[VitoCorleone99]

The speculation about the new rules is just that - speculation - at this point. The court ruled that the steps taken to implement the 2005 regulations were unlawful, but didn't rule on the regulations themselves.

The FMCSA has been strangely quiet about the whole deal. Here's what they have to say about it thus far. Essentially we're all in a holding pattern until September 14th, following the 2005 regulations until we're told otherwise.

If I were a betting man, and I am, I would guess that the FMCSA will either seek a stay to buy more time, ask the full appelate court to reconsider the case, or try to appeal to the Supreme Court. Since a three-judge panel made the recent finding, I would be very surprised to see millions of truck drivers thrown into limbo without at least the full court hearing the case.

[Fredog]

Ok....so basically.......if I'm sitting at 70hrs and 8 are dropping from the 8th day prior, then I'm legally able to log 8 hrs....ok....got that finally!

Now with the regards of the new rules/laws going in to effect Sept 1, 2007.....do you know if all that is true, or what exactly is being changed? I'd like to keep up with things for when I hit the road.

If you know a direct link to the correct info, that would be nice if you can't answer it yourself, or don't want to type it all out for me!

Thanks for the reply!

Chop

the ooida expects whatever happens to the rules to be drawn out for a long time. it will probably stay like it is for a while. you know, 3 judges who have probably never even seen the inside of a truck know more about what works than us idiots who just drive them

[dieseldogtrucking]

It has been ruled. Sept. 14 the old rules will take affect. FMCSA has 40 days to appeal.

[AlexJ81]

What are the old rules? How do they differ from the current?

[Phantom433a]

8 hrs on/ 10 hrs off

[VitoCorleone99]

8 hrs on/ 10 hrs off

Strike that. Reverse it.

[Drew10]

Sorry but the "old rules" will NOT apply.
The only thing in question is the 11hr drive and 34hr reset. If FMCSA does not get a stay or extension or prove that 34hr is beneficial to our health. Then ONLY the 11hr and 34hr will change back to the "old rules" The rules would effectively be 10hr drive/10hr break/ 14hr duty day/ 70 in 8 or 60 in 7, with the only option to recover your 70/60 is by recap. (eliminating the 34hr option).

[silvan]

It has been ruled. Sept. 14 the old rules will take affect. FMCSA has 40 days to appeal.

But which old rules? If they just roll back the 2005 rules, then we have 11/14, but one of the things under dispute is the 11th hour. There's no precedent for a 10/14 system, with an unstoppable 14-hour clock. That would be yet a third new set of rules unto itself. So if they're rolling back to the "old" rules before any of the disputed items went into effect, then must it not be the old 10/15 rules from the '30s, before they started stirring this pot in the first place?

I'm not going to worry until I hear something from Safety telling me what the hell the rules are now.

[Drew10]

The US Court of Appeals is "vacating" the 11hr driving rule and the 34hr reset. On Sept 14 if no action is taken by FMCSA the Appeals court will make their final ruling, and vacate the 11hr driving rule and the 34hr reset. What happens to the 11hr driving is anybodys guess, but it will be less than 11. The 34hr has no alternative it will be gone. The rest of the HOS is not in question (14hr/10hr break/70or60). They will remain in place.

They are not ordering a return to an old HOS, they are only vacating 2 portions of the current HOS.

Look into this link:

http://www.jjkeller.com/news/newsinf...&pageseq=10000