flatbed questions?

[mtlstar]

hi all,

recently my employer has taken on some flatbed activity, and has asked me to drive the flatbed, its construction items,.e.g.(drywall,plywood,wood,specially made cabinets, well house items.) as for securing this items? every how many feet must the straps come across to the other side by law?,as for securement all i see on the flatbed are straps, and i have not DONE FLATBED BEFORE. all i have seen the other drivers use are the straps for securement of the items.

please give me as many details as you can on hauling items on a flatbed or even a website i can go read up on.

i would hate to take the load through the weigh scale and get nailed with a fine. or worse THE LOAD FALLS OFF.

ty all

[ssoutlaw]

hi all,

recently my employer has taken on some flatbed activity, and has asked me to drive the flatbed, its construction items,.e.g.(drywall,plywood,wood,specially made cabinets, well house items.) as for securing this items? every how many feet must the straps come across to the other side by law?,as for securement all i see on the flatbed are straps, and i have not DONE FLATBED BEFORE. all i have seen the other drivers use are the straps for securement of the items.

please give me as many details as you can on hauling items on a flatbed or even a website i can go read up on.

i would hate to take the load through the weigh scale and get nailed with a fine. or worse THE LOAD FALLS OFF.

ty all

Say its drywall or lumber; I would have to say I would use 3 straps for the front and rear stacks and 2 straps for the other stacks. Unless of coarse they are double stacked, then 3 straps for every stack. As far as the cabinets I would have to know the dimensions and how they are packaged. Remember you can never use to many straps. If you do use to many nothing happens so better safe than sorry. You will learn in time what you need!

[dieselgrl]

It really does depend on what is on the trailer and how it's loaded and what the weight is. FMCSA Cargo Securement Laws - That is the FMCSA's rules and regulations on securing cargo. They are the basic minimum to be legal for DOT. As ssouthlaw said, you can't use too many straps. From what you listed, you should be fine with straps only, I wouldn't worry much about chains, but the idea for placement is the same.

You can always ask another flatbedder where you are unloading as well. Most are willing to help if you are willing to learn.

Good luck!

[Uturn2001]

To answer your question:

You must have at least 1 strap or chain for every 10 feet of load.

Of course, every item/skid needs to have at least 1 strap on it. A single strap can be used to secure items that are next to each other assuming the total weight of all items does not exceed the working load limit of the strap or chain.

How many straps you use will be determined by:

The weight of the item.
The length of the item.
Working load limit of your strap or chain.
Total separate items on the trailer.

Here is one other thing to keep in mind:

A twisted strap has its working limit reduced by 50%.

[fireman932003]

I have a stupid question.......How do you know where on the trlr to put stuff so the weights work out right. If I am not mistaken, you can not slide a spread axle trlr??. Right?

[thebaldeagle655]

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/cargo/cs-policy.pdf

This is the FMCSA's Driver's Handbook to Cargo Securement in PDF format. If you have a laptop, copy it and keep it with you to refer to, if not, take the time to print it out.

Remember, Steel on Steel, if at all possible, use chains on pipe, flat steel etc. Steel tends too wear out straps a bit fast.

When in doubt, add a couple extra straps or chains. You can never have too many and an "Improper Load Securement" citation cjuts into your profits.

Also, the nice Blue Book you by law were issued when you went to work and by law must have in your truck has the securement laws spelled out. Don't hesitate to pull it out and look. If you are by that book then you should be ok. (FMCSA Rules and Regulations in case you don't know what blue book)

[PhuzzyGnu]

To answer your question:

You must have at least 1 strap or chain for every 10 feet of load.

Of course, every item/skid needs to have at least 1 strap on it. A single strap can be used to secure items that are next to each other assuming the total weight of all items does not exceed the working load limit of the strap or chain.

. . .

Here is one other thing to keep in mind:

A twisted strap has its working limit reduced by 50%.

Key words: "at least"

I don't drive flats anymore, but I would always use more than method of securement to secure any one item. Redundancy can save someone's life.

Hell, back at Arrow my trainer gave me $#!+ for using two straps to secure a tarp on the trailer. I also used two straps to secure a tire carcass.

Remember, unlike a van, if the load securement fails on a flatbed, whatever was secured can -and probably will- end up on the road. A motorcyclist was killed here in Houston last week hitting a piece of lost dunnage on a flyover.


As for the twist, I have not heard this and it goes against Ancra's advice from one of their product sheets:

www.ancra-llc.com/truck/pdfs/flatbed_tiedown.pdf

From my (admittedly limited) experience and knowledge, the twist reduces wind-induced occillation and resultant fatigue and wear. I can think of no reason why a twist would weaken a fabric.

-p.

[Rawlco]

There are many things to think about. You need to understand the weight of the product you are securing and have enough straps for it. That link posted by tndieselgirl is a good one.

Here are a couple of rules of thumb, not always enough securement for the weight, but minimums for the type of material.

If it is steel a strap or chain every 4 feet.
For lumber one strap every 8 feet.
Other materials a strap every 10 feet.
Two straps for each "unit" or bundle.

I didn't know there was different spacing for different loads. I've always been putting either a chain or a strap every 4 feet.

Also, the straps go under the rub rail, not over it. The purpose of the rub rail is to protect your straps in the event you rub up against a telephone pole or something like that. That could cause the straps to be cut and your load to come off.

[redsfan]

Not to sound like a jerk, but here's a novel idea. How about asking your employer for some flatbed securement training?

Am I the only person here who thinks it's absolutely crazy for an employer to buy a flatbed trailer, give it someone who has no experience or training and say, "here go haul some freight"???

The improper securement tickets are one thing, but the potential of having my load come loose and either myself waking up dead or taking out a family of six would be my greatest motivator for wanting "official" training.

[BigWheels]

Not to sound like a jerk, but here's a novel idea. How about asking your employer for some flatbed securement training?

Am I the only person here who thinks it's absolutely crazy for an employer to buy a flatbed trailer, give it someone who has no experience or training and say, "here go haul some freight"???

The improper securement tickets are one thing, but the potential of having my load come loose and either myself waking up dead or taking out a family of six would be my greatest motivator for wanting "official" training.

Ya think?! 8)

It is ridiculous and dangerous for an employer to not provide proper training for a new freight division. They are clearly not thinking things through.... :sad:

That being said, this securement challenge gives the driver a chance to excel and learn proper securement techniques so that his worth as a driver will increase.

Driver...you might want to ask for a raise from your current employer!

[kilog55]

I have a stupid question.......How do you know where on the trlr to put stuff so the weights work out right. If I am not mistaken, you can not slide a spread axle trlr??. Right?

correct you cannot slide a spread axle most SA trailers have the tool box between the axles for your straps and tarps. i am gonna keep my binder bar/strap bar in the cab so i know where it is at all times.

as far as weight goes if you are loading it or the shipper is loading will depend on how it is done. most times the shipper knows how to load it properly. just make sure you scale before you run.

[ssoutlaw]

Who cares what the company gives as far as training! The driver has come here in a search to educate himself. Flatbed is not a hard job; questions and a little common sense will get him far! You’re doing the right thing driver. I would trust a person like the OP because he is looking for info on how to properly move the new type of freight the company is getting into! Which means he is a responsible driver! More power to YA driver.....

[ssoutlaw]

I have a stupid question.......How do you know where on the trlr to put stuff so the weights work out right. If I am not mistaken, you can not slide a spread axle trlr??. Right?

correct you cannot slide a spread axle most SA trailers have the tool box between the axles for your straps and tarps. i am gonna keep my binder bar/strap bar in the cab so i know where it is at all times.

as far as weight goes if you are loading it or the shipper is loading will depend on how it is done. most times the shipper knows how to load it properly. just make sure you scale before you run.

There are a lot of spreads you can slide; this is a special orders trailer though. Most can not, depends on what the company hauls as to who will have these trailers...

Best thing to remember on a spread is to load more of the weight to the rear of the trailer, not all of it of coarse!....lol You can haul more weight as much as 40k depending on the length of the spread!

[kilog55]

Minimum Number of Tiedowns
The cargo securement system used to restrain articles against movement must meet requirements concerning the minimum number of tiedowns. This requirement is in addition to complying with rules concerning the minimum working load limit. When an article of cargo is not blocked or positioned to prevent movement in the forward direction, the number of tiedowns needed depends on the length and weight of the articles. There must be - one tiedown for articles 5 ft or less in length, and 1,100 lbs or less in weight; two tiedowns if the article is -

5 ft or less in length and more than 1,100 lbs in weight; or
greater than 5 ft but less than 10 ft, regardless of weight.


In the following example, one tiedown is required because the article of cargo is 5 ft in length and does not exceed 1,100 lbs. If the article of cargo were greater than 5 ft in length but less than 10 ft, two tiedowns would be needed regardless of the weight. When an article of cargo is not blocked or positioned to prevent movement in the forward direction, and the item is longer than 10 ft in length, then it must be secured by two tiedowns for the first 10 ft of length, and one additional tiedown for every 10 ft of length, or fraction thereof, beyond the first 10 ft. An example of this is provided below. If an article is blocked, braced or immobilized to prevent movement in the forward direction by a headerboard, bulkhead, other articles that are adequately secured, or other appropriate means, it must be secured by at least one tiedown for every 10 ft of article length, or fraction thereof.

[fireman932003]

I have a stupid question.......How do you know where on the trlr to put stuff so the weights work out right. If I am not mistaken, you can not slide a spread axle trlr??. Right?

correct you cannot slide a spread axle most SA trailers have the tool box between the axles for your straps and tarps. i am gonna keep my binder bar/strap bar in the cab so i know where it is at all times.

as far as weight goes if you are loading it or the shipper is loading will depend on how it is done. most times the shipper knows how to load it properly. just make sure you scale before you run.

There are a lot of spreads you can slide; this is a special orders trailer though. Most can not, depends on what the company hauls as to who will have these trailers...

Best thing to remember on a spread is to load more of the weight to the rear of the trailer, not all of it of coarse!....lol You can haul more weight as much as 40k depending on the length of the spread!

Thanks, I am not a flatbedder but a van man. I have never pulled a scateboard so it was just a couriosity question more than anything.

[redsfan]

Who cares what the company gives as far as training! The driver has come here in a search to educate himself. Flatbed is not a hard job; questions and a little common sense will get him far! You’re doing the right thing driver. I would trust a person like the OP because he is looking for info on how to properly move the new type of freight the company is getting into! Which means he is a responsible driver! More power to YA driver.....

Not saying anything bad about the driver. I do think, however, that it is absolutely ridiculous for a company to give someone with no experience a flatbed and no training period to go along with it. Questions and a little common sense will get you far, but there is only so much training that can be done in a forum. The OP is asking questions and I agree that is a good thing, but I would've asked the questions of my employer before I came to a forum searching for advice. What about the drivers that are given no training and just assume they know what they're doing only to find out the hard way that they didn't have a clue.

You're right, flatbed is not hard work, I've done it. However, for anyone to think that just anyone can jump into and go with no training whatsoever is absolutely ludicrous!

[GoldiesPlating]

Who cares what the company gives as far as training! The driver has come here in a search to educate himself. Flatbed is not a hard job; questions and a little common sense will get him far! You’re doing the right thing driver. I would trust a person like the OP because he is looking for info on how to properly move the new type of freight the company is getting into! Which means he is a responsible driver! More power to YA driver.....

Not saying anything bad about the driver. I do think, however, that it is absolutely ridiculous for a company to give someone with no experience a flatbed and no training period to go along with it. Questions and a little common sense will get you far, but there is only so much training that can be done in a forum. The OP is asking questions and I agree that is a good thing, but I would've asked the questions of my employer before I came to a forum searching for advice. What about the drivers that are given no training and just assume they know what they're doing only to find out the hard way that they didn't have a clue.

You're right, flatbed is not hard work, I've done it. However, for anyone to think that just anyone can jump into and go with no training whatsoever is absolutely ludicrous!

I agree 110% with redsfan. Even worse, a driver coming here for the information he SHOULD be getting from formal training may believe he now knows enough and end up crushed to death in his cab when his improperly secured load comes forward during a hard stop or crash.

[kilog55]

yeah but the same can happen in a van

[GoldiesPlating]

yeah but the same can happen in a van

Good point and VERY true. But I THINK the driver asking for advice had some van experience. :?: