The Trucking Industry Sucks, espec. WERNER and USIS,DAC

[Cluggy619]

I have a few questions.

This poster went thru a recruiter.

This poster went to orientation.

This poster went thru 8 WEEKS with a trainer.

I'm sorry, but I find for the poster. In no way, shape, or fashion, can you make me believe that Warner did not know about the man conviction.

They waited 8 weeks to do a background check? Can you say BS? Smells like :dung: to me.

They knew he was convicted, and decided to use this as an excuse to get rid of him after he didn't want to play their games. The fact that he didn't tell them on the application is moot, due to the background investigation they would have done at orientation.

So hiring him was final, and this can not be used against him because they already knew.

If there was any problems with his DAC, he should fight the entry, and have it stated that Warner knew about his conviction with the background check they did before they put him with a trainer.

However, that's not going to be much help for him. He can argue that they knew.

But it doesn't change the fact that he has the conviction in the first place.

[Orange Andy]

I have to agree, even though this post is from last year, and the players are all gone, the point remains.

Im sure they knew about his record, why not tell the trainee that there MAY INDEED be a problem, and that he is under review? Give him a chance to work it out, or leave, or whatever.....at least decide if the training was worth the gamble to go forward.

If it happened like the poster says it did, they just stole 272.25 hours of work and said......"Next".

[Sealord]

"When are newbies officially hired? When called to attend orientation, or once we are with the trainer?" I'm not Sheepdancer, but this is my experience. Newbs aren't "hired" until after completing training with a company trainer and have passed all final written and skills tests and are upgraded to "solo", "first seat" or "lead" driver. Having passed drug test and physical exam at front end of orientation is assumed. BOL

[kc0iv]

"When are newbies officially hired? When called to attend orientation, or once we are with the trainer?" I'm not Sheepdancer, but this is my experience. Newbs aren't "hired" until after completing training with a company trainer and have passed all final written and skills tests and are upgraded to "solo", "first seat" or "lead" driver. Having passed drug test and physical exam at front end of orientation is assumed. BOL

I would agree Sealord. However, with one exception. If company 'A' decides to put a negative in the newbie's file then they seem to believe he/she was hired at an earlier time. A good example of this would be if the newbie decided to leave the school or leave the truck before his/her training period was complete.

kc0iv

[Twilight Flyer]

"When are newbies officially hired? When called to attend orientation, or once we are with the trainer?"

This is actually a pretty easy question to answer. If a company is paying you to attend orientation or go through training, then you are, by law, considered an employee and must be treated as one.

If a company is simply covering orientation and/or training expenses, but not paying you any actual money, you are not technically an employee.

I have a few questions.

This poster went thru a recruiter.

This poster went to orientation.

This poster went thru 8 WEEKS with a trainer.

I'm sorry, but I find for the poster. In no way, shape, or fashion, can you make me believe that Warner did not know about the man conviction.

They waited 8 weeks to do a background check? Can you say BS? Smells like to me.

Could very well be. But then again, it could also be a by-product of their hiring procedure. I'm not sure how Werner works with trainees, but there are a lot of companies out there that will put a driver through orientation, but will then review the completed driver file when they finish training. Most of the time, those guys are hired, but sometimes they are not. Again, not sure how Werner works, but that is standard operating procedure for some training companies.

They knew he was convicted, and decided to use this as an excuse to get rid of him after he didn't want to play their games. The fact that he didn't tell them on the application is moot, due to the background investigation they would have done at orientation.

That's actually incorrect. If he didn't list it on the app, then technically they are within their rights to terminate him for falsification of employment app, even if he told them about it. Yeah, this one sounds pretty low-down, but the labor laws are going to be on Werner's side.

I don't disagree that the original poster got a raw deal, but some of it is on his shoulders. The big one is that if he was just a few hours short of finishing up training, why wouldn't he just shut his mouth and get it over with. My guess is, and I'll lay money that I'm pretty close to the mark, his training manager and/or driver trainers considered him difficult to work with, causing Werner to decide it was in their best interest to get rid of him. From there, it was a simple matter of going after the obvious.

Keep in mind, it's not in Werner's best interest to cut ties with a student driver over a measly $500. They'd get a lot more from a government training stipend to have him graduate and add that driver to the national driver pool.

[rexgrove]

I'm sure it feels very wrong to be considered a "trainee" who is receiving compensation for their labor time (although less than minimum wage) and not considered an employee.

[Creek Jackson]

I think a pretty easy way to determined if you are hired as an employee;

When you complete a W4 tax form for the company, you are on the payroll.

[BMiller]

I've said it before. If drivers dont stick together in some way we will continue to get screwed. Nothing will change. The well known truck driver crying and moaning will continue. Perhaps we deserve it. One upset driver is nothing for the industry to worry about. A organized group of 100,000 drivers singing the same tune will get some attention.

I'm certainly not holding my breath waiting for the day when we stick together. I agree the industry as it stands does suck, at least for drivers. I have found myself giving some very serious thought about what else I want to do outside of trucking. It used to be a little bit of fun, but not anymore.

[Drew10]

kc0iv said:

As far as having a union. Truck drivers can't agree on what time it is. Let alone agree on having a union. Its not going to happen

BMiller said:

I've said it before. If drivers dont stick together in some way we will continue to get screwed. Nothing will change. The well known truck driver crying and moaning will continue. Perhaps we deserve it. One upset driver is nothing for the industry to worry about. A organized group of 100,000 drivers singing the same tune will get some attention.

While I agree that we (Truck Drivers) have a hard time agreeing on anything. You here them disagreeing daily, especially on the CB (but generally write that off as garbage). But, the problem isnt that we disagree, because everybody seems to agree that we would have a much improved lifestlye if we had a Union. The key is exactly what BMiller said in the closing of the above quote, and that I believe and stated. "A organized group of 100,000 drivers singing the same tune will get some attention." We need organization, whether we agree or disagree about aspects of Truck Driving, whether its 100,000 drivers or 1 million. We have no organization.
How do we Unionize all the careers drivers? (Mostly a rhetoricale question.)

[mccfry]

Sheep just out of curiosity who do you recruit for ?

Kc is right, even though with the adjudication, your record is felony free. Meaning that you can still vote and buy a gun. As far as employment in the trucking industry its going to be treated just like a conviction. Also if you ever try to get a concieled carry permit for guns....quite a few states wont give that to you with that conviction. To be blunt....its not werners fault you committed a crime and then didnt put it on your app.
Perhaps you might not understand why companies do this and why they dont hire people with records like that. Its about liability. Even that adjuticated charge has a paper trail and that paper trail makes you a liability. I dont know anything about you or your charge. But I will give you an example of why this is. Say a big trucking company worth billions gave a person with a record a chance. And then say that driver got high and then ran over and killed a busload of nuns and orphans. This is how the lawsuit would go.
Lawyer: You mean you hired a person with a known record? You mean, you saw the adjuticated conviction on his record and you hired him anyway?
Company rep: Well yes, he seemed like a nice guy so we thought we would give him a chance.
Lawyer: Here is a blank check.....just sign it and we will fill in the amount.

Liability...This is why companies have to protect themselves.

[Jackrabbit379]

Sheep just out of curiosity who do you recruit for ?

Sheepdancer used to recruit for JB Hunt. He no longer works there. In fact, Sheepdancer no longer works in the trucking industry.

[Mattangcobra]

I think its bull that there is a paper trail if someone has a dismissal or found not guilty. I have a charge that was dismissed and its still on my record.
My brother has an attempted murder charge on his it was dismissed because the guy broke into his house while he was home. Big mistake. Anyway its still on his that he was charged. It says dismissed beside it, but it shouldn't be there at all.

[MtFoxx]

I think its bull that there is a paper trail if someone has a dismissal or found not guilty. I have a charge that was dismissed and its still on my record.
My brother has an attempted murder charge on his it was dismissed because the guy broke into his house while he was home. Big mistake. Anyway its still on his that he was charged. It says dismissed beside it, but it shouldn't be there at all.

I totally agree. Somethings just need to go unsaid. As a teen (bout a million yrs.-ago or so) I was attending a rock climbing class. The overzealous sort that I was as a teen decided to go try some of the techniques out. So myself and four other teen classmates went to a "Under Construction" building (no windows, doors etc.) and were happily repelling from the uninhabited roof when a Sheriff's cruiser pulled up. As teens would do,,, We all scatted and hid. The deputy found me and two of my friends hiding on the roof. We were arrested and charged w/ attempted commercial burglary because of the ropes and professional climbing equipment.

I tell this stupid story to emphasize how inappropriate some charges may be. Further, that we need the opportunity to explain or at the very least address the issue in a profession manner. Consequently this is still on my record - some million years later.

We were honest good kids and theft never entered our minds. The overzealous deputy was an ass. The charges were dropped as " Unfounded" per the Sheriff's Watch Commander - post meeting with our parents.

Let me tell you that being the teen of two parents in the military suck'd worse than the conviction would have. TRUST ME!

So I must agree that some things just need not surface and taking the time and $$$ to expunge is prohibitive at the very least.

As to the organizational proposal, we need to put the screws to our elected Representatives first. 100 K plus Drivers hounding our Reps w/ a request for a Prof. Drivers bill of rights Maybe!

Just a note: I would have kept my mouth shut and waited for my truck.

Just my .02 worth.

[Useless]

I'd rather work for waste management.
Its better pay and benefits and its all you can eat!!!

Don't tell him that, inmate1577!!

Hell, Professional Dumpster Diving (Surplus Commodities Reclamation Engineering) is competitive enough as it is!!

[Them Other Truckrz]

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How's that MATANGCOBRA....what is a mantangcobra anyway, is that kind like a whimpering crybaby....seems like it with your complaining about my post....get some reading glasses.....I got rid of it, and beacause of you and your whining about my writing skills.....I QUIT!

Not gonna take anymore of you GREAT WRITERS FLACK and CRYING!

Forget what I said about students and what I know about that situation!

To many of you criticize without merit, get a life


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EXIT!!!!
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[Mattangcobra]

Them Other Truckrz
Please use the enter key every couple of lines.

[Mattangcobra]

Whatever. You blew that way out of per portion. I won't stoop to name calling. So have a nice day

[AC120]

Whatever. You blew that way out of per portion. I won't stoop to name calling. So have a nice day

Let 'em go. They claim to be "musicians for 30 years." You suggested they tune their instruments and they came back at you like teenagers. Nothing wrong with a bit of decent grammar and making posts easier to read.

Nice truck in your avatar.