Why you should wear seatbelts!!!!!!

[Blacksheep]

Again, I don't see how driving can be considered a privilege when you need to prove proficiency. If driving can be considered a privilege, then a college degree or high school diploma is also a privilege and can be taken away by the whims of the government. The fees you pay is nothing short of a tax which is purportedly collected for administrative expenses. Enforcement of driving laws are paid through fines for those breaking the rules. I never said that I don't wear a seat belt. I have made a habit of using a belt simply because I don't want the hassle of being pulled in to a weigh station or hear my wife get on my back for not wearing one. I never said that it wasn't a good idea to wear them, only that it should be a personal decision which everyone should make for themselves. It isn't the business of government to regulate the day to day behavior of it's citizens unless that behavior impairs the freedom or harms another citizen. I don't need big brother looking over my shoulder telling me every move I need to make.

I have agree with G here, He makes a very good case.

[Colin]

Again, I don't see how driving can be considered a privilege when you need to prove proficiency. If driving can be considered a privilege, then a college degree or high school diploma is also a privilege and can be taken away by the whims of the government. The fees you pay is nothing short of a tax which is purportedly collected for administrative expenses. Enforcement of driving laws are paid through fines for those breaking the rules. I never said that I don't wear a seat belt. I have made a habit of using a belt simply because I don't want the hassle of being pulled in to a weigh station or hear my wife get on my back for not wearing one. I never said that it wasn't a good idea to wear them, only that it should be a personal decision which everyone should make for themselves. It isn't the business of government to regulate the day to day behavior of it's citizens unless that behavior impairs the freedom or harms another citizen. I don't need big brother looking over my shoulder telling me every move I need to make.

I have agree with G here, He makes a very good case.

So did the numerous lawyers in years past who argued that driving is not a right. They all won their cases by the way.

[mf2004champ]

Seatbelts are over-rated. They restrict your range of motion to access the radio, CB, and drink in the cupholder. Also, they cut off circulation in the body, which is not healthy. If you are a good driver, you don't need seatbelts b/c you won't get into collisions on the road.

And don't beleive the seatbelt laws are proof that it is safe to wear them. They have seatbelt laws to increase the revenue of the gov't by tickets. It's a scam.

[Colin]

Seatbelts are over-rated. They restrict your range of motion to access the radio, CB, and drink in the cupholder. Also, they cut off circulation in the body, which is not healthy. If you are a good driver, you don't need seatbelts b/c you won't get into collisions on the road.

And don't beleive the seatbelt laws are proof that it is safe to wear them. They have seatbelt laws to increase the revenue of the gov't by tickets. It's a scam.

Is this a joke post? Or are you trolling?

[glasman2]

I felt a tug on the line myself

[dragracert99]

G man , you sure are off base on this one.
Seat belts keep a driver secure under many conditions.
5 mph and a big bump can toss you out of the seat as stated in another topic, I want you under control of your rig at all times.
The law is there to protect people like you who want it to be a decision , from people like me,lol.
If you decide to be stupid, why should I suffer.
I could support your argument for helmets, because they do restrict a driver from his ability in many areas and are just for keeping his head from getting busted like a melon.

[mf2004champ]

Seatbelts are over-rated. They restrict your range of motion to access the radio, CB, and drink in the cupholder. Also, they cut off circulation in the body, which is not healthy. If you are a good driver, you don't need seatbelts b/c you won't get into collisions on the road.

And don't beleive the seatbelt laws are proof that it is safe to wear them. They have seatbelt laws to increase the revenue of the gov't by tickets. It's a scam.

Is this a joke post? Or are you trolling?

"Joke Post"

[uglymutt]

Seatbelts are over-rated. They restrict your range of motion to access the radio, CB, and drink in the cupholder. Also, they cut off circulation in the body, which is not healthy. If you are a good driver, you don't need seatbelts b/c you won't get into collisions on the road.

And don't beleive the seatbelt laws are proof that it is safe to wear them. They have seatbelt laws to increase the revenue of the gov't by tickets. It's a scam.

Is this a joke post? Or are you trolling?

"Joke Post"

Yes I think the author is joking on this one colin, if not then he must be the best driver in the world and does not think he should wear his safety belt because its all a government conspiracy.... hehehehe what ? I think he is an idiot for his post and I am not joking

[Blacksheep]

Seat belts are over-rated. They restrict your range of motion to access the radio, CB, and drink in the cup holder. Also, they cut off circulation in the body, which is not healthy. If you are a good driver, you don't need seat belts b/c you won't get into collisions on the road.

And don't believe the seat belt laws are proof that it is safe to wear them. They have seat belt laws to increase the revenue of the gov't by tickets. It's a scam.

Is this a joke post? Or are you trolling?

"Joke Post"

Yes I think the author is joking on this one colin, if not then he must be the best driver in the world and does not think he should wear his safety belt because its all a government conspiracy.... hehehehe what ? I think he is an idiot for his post and I am not joking

Is that really necessary ? on a side note, can socialism be that far off for America ?
Problem is this country has to many busy bodies trying to run every aspect of your life.

[uglymutt]

well Blacksheep, yes and no, I think we need rules, most are for people who are not bright enough to function on their own , so yeah we have way too many rules, but on a side note , if we didn't have rules, hmm anarchy would be nice, first thing I would do is kill all my neighbors and take there food, guns and ammo and move to the next block, so rules have a place in society, I always said if you don't like the rules of the game then stop playing... you vote and then complain about what they do in office, I see it as we have no choice anymore so we just have to flow with it, if not , anarchy is what I am waiting for....

[Fozzy]

Check his foot prints for horseshoes.... (theres some trivia for ya)

[Blacksheep]

well Blacksheep, yes and no, I think we need rules, most are for people who are not bright enough to function on their own , so yeah we have way too many rules, but on a side note , if we didn't have rules, hmm anarchy would be nice, first thing I would do is kill all my neighbors and take there food, guns and ammo and move to the next block, so rules have a place in society, I always said if you don't like the rules of the game then stop playing... you vote and then complain about what they do in office, I see it as we have no choice anymore so we just have to flow with it, if not , anarchy is what I am waiting for....

BTW I do wear my seat belt, but do we really need to try and legislate common sense ?
Let Darwin sort it out .

[mf2004champ]

Also, with the increase of obesity in the population, seatbelt laws will increase the costs on all of us b/c it will require greater lengths of belts to accomodate the 'belly' of the individual sitting in the vehicle.

[GMAN]

G man , you sure are off base on this one.
Seat belts keep a driver secure under many conditions.
5 mph and a big bump can toss you out of the seat as stated in another topic, I want you under control of your rig at all times.
The law is there to protect people like you who want it to be a decision , from people like me,lol.
If you decide to be stupid, why should I suffer.
I could support your argument for helmets, because they do restrict a driver from his ability in many areas and are just for keeping his head from getting busted like a melon.

I appreciate you wanting to protect me from you and others, dragracert. :wink: From your logic, I can see that helmets should be required because if you are riding a bike and hit my car, you could be killed and I could be charged with manslaughter. I actually saw a guy in Salt Lake City a couple of years ago right after he hit the pavement with his unprotected head. The problem I have with this and so many laws which have been enacted in recent years is that there are those who would like to protect us from every conceivable event in our lives. That isn't going to happen. The government cannot protect us from every bad event that might cross our path. I prefer using education and giving a reason for wearing seat belts or helmets rather than legislation. There are a number of cities across the country which lists the number of those complying with seat belt usage. Even with the laws on the books, there is still a high percentage who refuse to wear them. I met a driver several years ago who didn't wear one due to health reasons. He actually had a letter from his doctor to that fact. I don't recall the exact reason, but it had something to do with the way it crossed his neck or shoulder. And by the way, you can receive severe damage to your neck if you are involved in a accident and the seat belt hits just right. So, do seat belts make all of us safer? Perhaps. Are there instances where seat belt use could contribute to our being injured? Yes. Should the government force us to wear seat belts? I don't think so. What about those who smoke while driving? That can be a distraction and could cause an accident. If someone drops a cigarette they could wreck while attempting to get their cigarette off the floor. Should the government legislate that no one can smoke while driving? I don't smoke and could probably jump on this one, but I don't think it is the business of government to legislate whether people smoke while driving or not. Someone mentioned obesity. It supposedly costs all of us money for additional health-care costs for those who are obese. Should we legislate that people can only eat things which are good for them and only certain portions? Should we make it a privilege to eat? What about making it illegal to go into a McDonald's? Coffee and caffeine is supposed to be bad for us. It could possibly raise blood pressure or elevate heart rates which could also increase health-care costs.

Most of us have habits the government or some special interest groups could consider bad for us or society in general. It is not the business of government to legislate every minute detail of our lives. To do so would take away our freedom to make choices, regardless of whether those decisions are in our best interest or of society in general. I want LESS government involvement in my life, not more.

And Colin, you are correct about the courts siding with the state on the driving and it being a privilege. I think it is logically wrong and has opened a Pandora's box which will come back to haunt us on other issues. It has been a boon to the legislators, most of whom are lawyers, in legal fees. I am surprised at how many people are willing to allow the government to chip away at our freedoms in the name of safety and security without question.

If you want to see what government legislation has done for safety, just look at the current hours of service. These are also supposed to be for safety. Unfortunately, it has had the opposite effect. I agree that we need some rules or guidelines for a civilized society. That is why we have a Constitution. It is unfortunate that we have allowed so many corrupt politicians to pervert it in such a way as to take away many of our basic freedoms. Sorry, I didn't mean to get so wound up. :P

[Piece Of Work]

I think for some reason Socialism is taking hold on America. I see the Socialist Democrats and the Socialist Republicans, so how do you choose? Elections are bought aren't they? I see Socialism as the will of the minority being imposed on the majority. I think the majority still don't care enough to mobilize themselves as a voting block to make a difference. I believe we are in for hard times as a country.

Look out, here comes the Mexican truckers and we'll all be driving at 20CPM or less. Then what do we do when trucking is all we have?

[kips41]

If driving can be considered a privilege, then a college degree or high school diploma is also a privilege and can be taken away by the whims of the government.

This comment does not hold water. A degree or a diploma is earned and after you have earned it there is not any laws or rules to mantain it.

Now on the other hand a person who goes to college, earns a degree and then is licensed by the state to practice in their respective field: doctor, laywer, accountant, pharmicist, teacher etc. has the privledge to hold their license.

Quite a few of these folks have found out the hard way that this is a privledge and must abide by the rules and laws or they can loose their license and even spend some time in jail !!!!


But hey GMAN, break enough of the laws and rules and you can find out if it is a priveldge or right to hold a driver's license. I am betting that the great state of TN would win this one.

You may not like it but that's the way it is