Ad in paper...

[Da_Raider]

I seen an ad in the newspaper and it said: "New England drivers make $50,000 their first year"... does anybody know if that's true?

[hitman]

Only if you are from Conn., Mass., Vt., NH or Maine

[malbojah]

What, Rhode Island doesn't count??

[Da_Raider]

I'm from California and the newspaper it was in is from here...

How about the lease program... is that any good???

[Orangetxguy]

I do believe he is talking about CR ENGLAND.......NOT New England.

[Da_Raider]

oh my mistake LOL! I am talking about "CR England"...

I'm from California and I have 1 year and 7 months of local driving experience... I hauled tankers, doubles for a chemical company... I drove within a 100 mile range so I did not do any of that log book stuff...

Now I decided to take my career to another level and go over the road... C.R. England is the first company I applied for and I logged into here for some answers but I see on other threads that everybody talks down on that company... but so far I haven't seen a post that explains why that is a bad company to drive for...

Can somebody PLEASE explain why that company has a bad reputaion??? I'll would really appreciate it...

[Rev.Vassago]

Now I decided to take my career to another level and go over the road... C.R. England is the first company I applied for and I logged into here for some answers but I see on other threads that everybody talks down on that company... but so far I haven't seen a post that explains why that is a bad company to drive for...

Can somebody PLEASE explain why that company has a bad reputaion??? I'll would really appreciate it...

They have a reputation of screwing their drivers. Their lease purchase program is a joke - you could buy a brand new truck for a whole lot less than what they charge you for it. They will cut your miles off without any notice if they feel like it.

They have earned the reputation they have through years of fleecing, two-timing, and deception.

I can't think of any company out there that is more underhanded than CRE. You would do yourself a favor by steering far away from them.

[Da_Raider]

Now I decided to take my career to another level and go over the road... C.R. England is the first company I applied for and I logged into here for some answers but I see on other threads that everybody talks down on that company... but so far I haven't seen a post that explains why that is a bad company to drive for...

Can somebody PLEASE explain why that company has a bad reputaion??? I'll would really appreciate it...

They have a reputation of screwing their drivers. Their lease purchase program is a joke - you could buy a brand new truck for a whole lot less than what they charge you for it. They will cut your miles off without any notice if they feel like it.

They have earned the reputation they have through years of fleecing, two-timing, and deception.

I can't think of any company out there that is more underhanded than CRE. You would do yourself a favor by steering far away from them.

I appreciate your response... and just to let you know I have no clue about over the road companies... what companies do you suggest I should try???

[Sealord]

"1 year and 7 months of local driving experience" Many OTR companies won't accept that as "experience". At a minimum, you'll need log training and what a companies review at orientation may not get the job done. BOL

[Rev.Vassago]

I appreciate your response... and just to let you know I have no clue about over the road companies... what companies do you suggest I should try???

I'm sure there are others here that are far better at answering this question. I've managed to avoid working for any of the major carriers as a company driver, save a 6 month stint at the now defunct Proline Carriers about 11 years ago.

[Orangetxguy]

oh my mistake LOL! I am talking about "CR England"...

I'm from California and I have 1 year and 7 months of local driving experience... I hauled tankers, doubles for a chemical company... I drove within a 100 mile range so I did not do any of that log book stuff...

Now I decided to take my career to another level and go over the road... C.R. England is the first company I applied for and I logged into here for some answers but I see on other threads that everybody talks down on that company... but so far I haven't seen a post that explains why that is a bad company to drive for...

Can somebody PLEASE explain why that company has a bad reputaion??? I'll would really appreciate it...

You already have Chemical experience...why change? there are plenty of carriers that haul Chemicals, that will give you the opportunity to prove yourself with you "Local" experience. You said it was "doubles" experience, so could I dare to guess that you live in the valley, and were driving for a company like Kings County? Most of the tankers in LA area are semi or truck & a-Pup. But..I could be wrong.

I suggest you contact some one like Benito Transport or Trimac Transportation, in South Gate, Chemical Transfer in Paramount.

If shifting away from Chem's is what you are interested in doing, use your doubles experience and start hitting the LTL companies, like Roadway, ABF, Yellow, FedEx, UPS Freight (Overnite), any of them..all of them. You can learn logging. If they tell you to get more experience..start with Earl Henderickson in Sacramento..then hit up Gordon Trucking in Turlock. Move on from there.

[Da_Raider]

[quote=Orangetxguy][quote=You already have Chemical experience...why change? there are plenty of carriers that haul Chemicals, that will give you the opportunity to prove yourself with you "Local" experience. You said it was "doubles" experience, so could I dare to guess that you live in the valley, and were driving for a company like Kings County? Most of the tankers in LA area are semi or truck & a-Pup. But..I could be wrong.

I suggest you contact some one like Benito Transport or Trimac Transportation, in South Gate, Chemical Transfer in Paramount.

If shifting away from Chem's is what you are interested in doing, use your doubles experience and start hitting the LTL companies, like Roadway, ABF, Yellow, FedEx, UPS Freight (Overnite), any of them..all of them. You can learn logging. If they tell you to get more experience..start with Earl Henderickson in Sacramento..then hit up Gordon Trucking in Turlock. Move on from there.[/quote]

yes, where I from "Kings County" hauls milk... you gave me a good heads up... I'll check out all them places you mentioned... thanks!

[Da_Raider]

I'm sure there are others here that are far better at answering this question. I've managed to avoid working for any of the major carriers as a company driver, save a 6 month stint at the now defunct Proline Carriers about 11 years ago.

The reason why I want to go for a major company is cause I thought the pay would be better... With the company I work for now I gross no less than $850.00 a week... I thought I would make a little more with a major company over the road...

[Malaki86]

I'm sure there are others here that are far better at answering this question. I've managed to avoid working for any of the major carriers as a company driver, save a 6 month stint at the now defunct Proline Carriers about 11 years ago.

The reason why I want to go for a major company is cause I thought the pay would be better... With the company I work for now I gross no less than $850.00 a week... I thought I would make a little more with a major company over the road...

Stay local then, for God's sake!!! When you go OTR, you'll have extra expenses that you don't have now, and make the same, or less, money than you do now.

[spencerian]

I'm sure there are others here that are far better at answering this question.

Let me field this one Rev....
I worked for CR England as a lease operator. The reason the company gets a bad name is the lease!!

Driving a truck costs you about $1800 per week. This includes fuel, lease payment insurance and all other charges. They pay you 89cpm. That equals 2200 miles. You have to run 2200 miles JUST TO BREAK EVEN!

The pay and COSTS are actually on a sliding scale. A 2200 mile week will actually GROSS about $240 IF you can get 6.2 or better MPG. A 3000 mile week will gross about $600.

Here is the BASIC math...

They pay you 89 cpm.
It COSTS about 39cpm to operate the truck.
That leaves 50cpm.
It costs $950 to LEASE the truck per week.
So 3000 miles at 50cpm is $1500.
Subtract $950. You get $550.

There is a way to make it. You have to team with a new driver for 3 weeks. England calls it their CAT program. You get a new driver evey 3 weeks. You pay the driver 10cpm.

So 6000 miles team per week is $3000. But you have to pay 10cpm.
Now you are down to $2400.

Sounds good. IF you like new guys and can sleep while some new driver is on the wheel grinding your gears til they are smooth!

I did the math. I was a "logical person". I thought there was NO WAY to lose! But there is.

One driver I had could only do 200 miles in 11 hours. One got lost EVERY DAY. One wrecked my truck (you pay the $1000 insurance deductable because it is "your" truck).

And all of this is based on getting good miles. For the most part you WILL NOT GET GOOD MILES. I had 6 weeks of getting less than 2400 miles WITH a second seat driver! And yes, I went through the proper channels to voice my concern. I also NEVER had a late load, or refused a load.

[Fozzy]

Stay local! There is NO comparison in pay and working conditions for the local and OTR guys. I also pulled tankers (propane) in California and had the company not gone under, I'd still be there. You're not missing anything on the "bigroad".

[Rev.Vassago]

Here is the BASIC math...

They pay you 89 cpm.
It COSTS about 39cpm to operate the truck.
That leaves 50cpm.
It costs $950 to LEASE the truck per week.
So 3000 miles at 50cpm is $1500.
Subtract $950. You get $550.

:shock:

In what world does it only cost 39 CPM to operate a truck? Fuel alone eats up 2/3 of that, at CRE's $1.25 a gallon guarantee.

There is a way to make it. You have to team with a new driver for 3 weeks. England calls it their CAT program. You get a new driver evey 3 weeks. You pay the driver 10cpm.

So 6000 miles team per week is $3000. But you have to pay 10cpm.
Now you are down to $2400.

Sounds good. IF you like new guys and can sleep while some new driver is on the wheel grinding your gears til they are smooth!

I did the math. I was a "logical person". I thought there was NO WAY to lose! But there is.

One driver I had could only do 200 miles in 11 hours. One got lost EVERY DAY. One wrecked my truck (you pay the $1000 insurance deductable because it is "your" truck).

And all of this is based on getting good miles. For the most part you WILL NOT GET GOOD MILES. I had 6 weeks of getting less than 2400 miles WITH a second seat driver! And yes, I went through the proper channels to voice my concern. I also NEVER had a late load, or refused a load.

You left out one tiny little problem. 6000 miles per week = 300,000 miles per year. By the end of your lease purchase, you own a truck with a cool million miles on it (at least). What an investment!

[spencerian]

In what world does it only cost 39 CPM to operate a truck? Fuel alone eats up 2/3 of that, at CRE's $1.25 a gallon guarantee.

Well, OK. It does get worse. The 39cpm does not include oil changes and small parts/work.

$1.25 per gallon for fuel divided by 6.2mpg is .201cpm

.201 Fuel
.05 Maintenance reserve
.06 Varuable mileage charge
.015 FHUT Tax

.326 per mile.

But the AVERAGE is .39cpm. You can't always get 6.4mpg.

You left out one tiny little problem. 6000 miles per week = 300,000 miles per year. By the end of your lease purchase, you own a truck with a cool million miles on it (at least). What an investment!

Well, OK. It does get worse. It is not a lease purchase. It is just a lease!
No purchase!

[Rev.Vassago]

In what world does it only cost 39 CPM to operate a truck? Fuel alone eats up 2/3 of that, at CRE's $1.25 a gallon guarantee.

Well, OK. It does get worse. The 39cpm does not include oil changes and small parts/work.

So you have a maintainance reserve account, but it does not cover maintainance. Interesting.....

$1.25 per gallon for fuel divided by 6.2mpg is .201cpm

.201 Fuel
.05 Maintenance reserve
.06 Varuable mileage charge
.015 FHUT Tax

.326 per mile.

But the AVERAGE is .39cpm. You can't always get 6.4mpg.

You left a few things out of your equation.

Truck payment
Insurance
Tolls
Lumpers
2290
Repairs

That's just the top of the list. Care to explain why?

[spencerian]

You left a few things out of your equation.

Truck payment
Insurance
Tolls
Lumpers
2290
Repairs

That's just the top of the list. Care to explain why?

The FIXED costs were about $950 per week. FIXED costs are the lease payment, insurance ect. I laid this out in a previous post. AFTER you get the 50cpm, you still have to pay the FIXED costs.