paperless logs and DOT>>>anyone hear about this

[wolfjr268]

my hubby told me that his safety manager told him that
the DOT wants to require all companies that are high on the
"naughty list" to go paperless logs........
anyone else hear this???
if so....any comments??

[Twilight Flyer]

Hadn't heard that one.

[ibamars]

This is a big ordeal. In a nutshell the FMCSA wants to impose a black box in trucks. Now, The box would be in trucks who's companies safety records are not quite up to snuff per say. I believe the current count of carriers right now who would have to have it installed is 9,000 or some ridiculous number.

Basically its a box that will track your drive time. stop time etc.. It will be your logbook. Big uproar right now. For you all who have XM in your truck listen to Dave Nemo in the morning.

Currently it is being reviewed by the FMCSA. There is a long process to actually make this go into effect. Right now they are looking for comments as to why they should or why they shouldn't adopt this policy.

They are also looking at speed limiters in trucks again as well. This is a proposed rule making as well. Again they are looking for comments on this. They are proposing making all trucks have speeds no higher than 68mph.

The ATA (American trucking association) is leading the fight for this with 9 major carriers and other organizations such as MATD and a few others.

You all should read this and make your opinion on this. This is going to be a big deal even though its a few years before it actually goes into effect. Of course if there is enough negativity it may not go into effect.

I have enclosed the links for you to make your comments to the FMCSA. You big board moderators should also do this as well and maybe offer your insight on this post for some of the new guys/gals who are coming into the industry and what impacts it may make.

http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...%20by%20JJ.htm

Follow the link on the bottom and make sure you put in docket number.

http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...%20by%20JJ.htm

Do the same with this one.

[wolfjr268]

thanks for the links....

[JoeyB]

I had to use one of the spares today and it had this black box mounted on the windshield. I didn't know what it was, but I was examining when I got to my destination and quess what- it's a camera! Come to find out they can turn that thing on at anytime and see what the truck is doing- following distance, speed, everything I see, the safety man can see on his computer screen in real time. How do you like that?

[mikey4069]

Next you know they will have one in the sleeper to see if we have lot lizzard in the truck . :shock: :evil:

[Little D]

I had to use one of the spares today and it had this black box mounted on the windshield. I didn't know what it was, but I was examining when I got to my destination and quess what- it's a camera! Come to find out they can turn that thing on at anytime and see what the truck is doing- following distance, speed, everything I see, the safety man can see on his computer screen in real time. How do you like that?

What company was that?

[driverboy]

we run paperless logs with a stellar safety record and love it, pretrip and all info takes under a minute at startup to feed in and less than that to post and log off at the other end.

of course I company drive and never come close to HOS issues, OTR might be a different mentality of checking up on drivers not helping them save time.

[YoungZ.W.]

I do know that Werner runs paperless logs in all their trucks. From the drivers that I have talked to at Werner they said that sometimes the paperless logs help and sometimes they don't. There is no way of cheating on them. The company says that it increases driver productivey by saving them time through not have to log it on paper I have also heard rumors that with the paperless logs it will shut your truck down automatically after the 14 hour rule. :twisted:

[doug33]

the truck being shut down after 14 hours is a myth,because of the safety hazzard it would be.I have heard there is a way to cheat a paperless log .

[ibamars]

the truck being shut down after 14 hours is a myth,because of the safety hazzard it would be.I have heard there is a way to cheat a paperless log .

This is true. When I went to school to get my license, one of my friends went with Werner. They cheat the system by using the minutes in between the 15 minutes. Example, he starts driving at 8 am. He show the paperless log book at 7:52 AM. but it records at 8am. Same as when stopping. He shows 8pm but in reality he can got to 8:07 PM.

Goofy

[JoeyB]

I had to use one of the spares today and it had this black box mounted on the windshield. I didn't know what it was, but I was examining when I got to my destination and quess what- it's a camera! Come to find out they can turn that thing on at anytime and see what the truck is doing- following distance, speed, everything I see, the safety man can see on his computer screen in real time. How do you like that?

What company was that?

Xpressway, in Oley, PA.- a good little outfit to work for. I found out today that this is the "bad boy truck". If you have an accident or somebody calls to complain about you, you have to drive this one for a couple of weeks. It's the only spare available and my assigned truck is in the shop so...

[fetterski]

I Am in Chippewa Valley Tech. right now and our instructors have informed us that we are the last class to be trained with paper logs.

[Skullitor]

I had to use one of the spares today and it had this black box mounted on the windshield. I didn't know what it was, but I was examining when I got to my destination and quess what- it's a camera! Come to find out they can turn that thing on at anytime and see what the truck is doing- following distance, speed, everything I see, the safety man can see on his computer screen in real time. How do you like that?

What company was that?

Xpressway, in Oley, PA.- a good little outfit to work for. I found out today that this is the "bad boy truck". If you have an accident or somebody calls to complain about you, you have to drive this one for a couple of weeks. It's the only spare available and my assigned truck is in the shop so...

A can of black spray paint will take care of the spy camera. :wink:

[kc0iv]

I Am in Chippewa Valley Tech. right now and our instructors have informed us that we are the last class to be trained with paper logs.

I'd say if this is true CVT is going to have a shortage of students for sometime. I believe paperless logs is something that will come but it's nowhere near a given. Maybe in a couple of years. Then I'm sure there will be a number of lawsuits and that will delay it for several more years.

kc0iv

[Fredog]

the truck being shut down after 14 hours is a myth,because of the safety hazzard it would be.I have heard there is a way to cheat a paperless log .

Werner did have the automatic shutdown in thier trucks, but they took it out after they realized how unsafe it was.

[Jackrabbit379]

my hubby told me that his safety manager told him that
the DOT wants to require all companies that are high on the
"naughty list" to go paperless logs........
anyone else hear this???
if so....any comments??

Been busy,so I havent had a chance to read this one. BUMP :P

I havent heard of that,either. We do,however,run hand-held computers in our trucks. We still run paper logs,though I dont know why. I was told that once everyone gets used to the computers,we were supposed to get rid of the paper logs. Apparently,not everyone knows how to use the computers. Anyway,I havent heard of the DOT cracking down on paper logs on companies.

[Fredog]

my hubby told me that his safety manager told him that
the DOT wants to require all companies that are high on the
"naughty list" to go paperless logs........
anyone else hear this???
if so....any comments??

Been busy,so I havent had a chance to read this one. BUMP :P

I havent heard of that,either. We do,however,run hand-held computers in our trucks. We still run paper logs,though I dont know why. I was told that once everyone gets used to the computers,we were supposed to get rid of the paper logs. Apparently,not everyone knows how to use the computers. Anyway,I havent heard of the DOT cracking down on paper logs on companies.

according to the ask the law program on siruis radio, the gov wanted to require black boxes in all trucks, they couldnt get it passed so the new suggestion is to require them for 3 years at carriers who have a history of hours violations, they also want to offer credits to encourage other companies who are in compliance to install them, sounds like a pretty good compromise to me

[dle]

Is this what your talking about?


http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/about/news/...007/011107.htm

[ibamars]

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/about/news/...007/011107.htm

Yes. Same thing. Good extra link!!