34 hour restart

[golfhobo]

Somehow, I am confused,

b)(2) Having been on duty 70 hours in any period of 8 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier operates commercial motor vehicles every day of the week.

(c)(2) Any period of 8 consecutive days may end with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours.


OK, so if I only work 8.75 hours a day, I will have my 70 hours in 8 days,

and can in essence work 7 days a week, 52 weeks a month.

8.25 hours X 8 days = 66 driving hours an 8 day week

Remember too, that is ON-DUTY time, not driving time we are talking about!

but with out a 34 hour reset, you will have 1 1/2 days a week more to hat, ie. 12.125 more hours, so in the same 9 1/2 day time period you can put in 78.125 hours of driving time but have no time at home with the family.

Nah, I think I will stick to my 11 hours max driving time, no more than 70 / 8 days and spend a day and 1/2 a week with the family.

SAY WHAT??? Now, I am confused also!! :shock:

[golfhobo]

As DesertRat said many companies do not want you to do a 34 hour reset. Nor does the feds require it. As long as don't exceed your 80 hours in 8 days (or 70 in 7 days) there is no rule that says you have to do a reset. Takes a little better time management.

Now I'm pretty sure you mean 70 hours in 8 or 60 in 7, correct? :?

Yeah, KayCee!! I'm SURE you want to clear this up for the newbie who asked the original question, right?

And BTW, Uturn..... you are only required to keep SEVEN days of PREVIOUS logs. Not counting the CURRENT one.

We work in an industry where 15 minutes can cost us hundreds of dollars or more. Let's ALL try to be more ACCURATE in any figures we post for the newbies - and each other!

[choperbob]

tottaly wrong. your logs for last 8 days have to be available for on the spot dot approval. although anything in the past year will cause problems for you when dot audits your company and you have to explain why it is worth the fines they have to pay just to keep you around. my company feels if the fines don't cover the cost of profits and insurance premium increases, I become a liability. ain't no such thing as a free lunch

[lonewolf]

tottaly wrong. your logs for last 8 days have to be available for on the spot dot approval. although anything in the past year will cause problems for you when dot audits your company and you have to explain why it is worth the fines they have to pay just to keep you around. my company feels if the fines don't cover the cost of profits and insurance premium increases, I become a liability. ain't no such thing as a free lunch

nope,your wrong

(k) Retention of driver's record of duty status. (1) Each motor carrier shall maintain records of duty status and all supporting documents for each driver it employs for a period of six months from the date of receipt.

(k)(2) The driver shall retain a copy of each record of duty status for the previous 7 consecutive days which shall be in his/her possession and available for inspection while on duty.

395.8

[golfhobo]

tottaly wrong. your logs for last 8 days have to be available for on the spot dot approval

I swear! I don't know what SOME guys were doing in CDL school! Sleeping, I guess!

I would NEVER have driven a rig off the lot if I didn't understand the regs! I REALLY wish "someone" could QUOTE me the reg (as the Rev always does,) that backs up THIS statement!!!

Hey, Dawn..... I got a "customer" for ya!!

[Rev.Vassago]

tottaly wrong. your logs for last 8 days have to be available for on the spot dot approval

I swear! I don't know what SOME guys were doing in CDL school! Sleeping, I guess!

I would NEVER have driven a rig off the lot if I didn't understand the regs! I REALLY wish "someone" could QUOTE me the reg (as the Rev always does,) that backs up THIS statement!!!

Hey, Dawn..... I got a "customer" for ya!!

I thought about quoting the reg back when Uturn first said that you had to have the last 8 days, but I was lazy and didn't want to look it up (hence my blank post after his).

[Useless]

I thought about quoting the reg back when Uturn first said that you had to have the last 8 days, but I was lazy and didn't want to look it up (hence my blank post after his).

Okay, Rev.!!

As for hijacking the thread with your blank post and your "lazy, didn't want to look it up" crap, I'll let it slide this one time...You try it again and you will start an LOSE a WAR very quickly!!

[Rev.Vassago]

I thought about quoting the reg back when Uturn first said that you had to have the last 8 days, but I was lazy and didn't want to look it up (hence my blank post after his).

Okay, Rev.!!

As for hijacking the thread with blank post and your "lazy, didn't want to look it up" crap, I'll let it slide this one time...You try it again and you will start an LOSE a WAR very quickly!!

What - do you think you are a moderator? :wink:

[kc0iv]

As DesertRat said many companies do not want you to do a 34 hour reset. Nor does the feds require it. As long as don't exceed your 80 hours in 8 days (or 70 in 7 days) there is no rule that says you have to do a reset. Takes a little better time management.

Now I'm pretty sure you mean 70 hours in 8 or 60 in 7, correct? :?

Yep. I guess I should read what is written instead of what I thought I wrote.

kc0iv

[kc0iv]

Let's ALL try to be more ACCURATE in any figures we post for the newbies - and each other!

You're right golfhobo. I guess to be super human is a problem I'll have to work on. But as a mere mortal I have a long way to go.


kc0iv

[choperbob]

last 6 months, cool. 8) i was thinking last 7 days plus today sorry. shucks i stayed stoned on crack and drunk all thru cdl school and orientation and then the first 6 months driving, i think, or maybe i am just an old burned out hippie, yea that is it. :? arty:

[golfhobo]

Let's ALL try to be more ACCURATE in any figures we post for the newbies - and each other!

You're right golfhobo. I guess to be super human is a problem I'll have to work on. But as a mere mortal I have a long way to go.


kc0iv

It would TAKE a "super human" to understand ALL the regs! And nobody expects you (or me) to BE one. But, SOME of these regs are fairly simple to remember and quote properly for the newbies. I'm SURE you know your stuff! I just meant that we should be careful NOT to make silly mistakes on some of the more BASIC issues that newbies wonder about.

Besides.... I was actually talking to that Crackhead, ChopperBob!!!

[mowman]

Please tell me if I'm wrong. I'm a Werner noobie. I say this not to invite ridicule (I've prolly already heard it ), but to establish the fact that there's a limit to how flexible my logging can be.

As I see it, to get good runs, I've got to distinguish myself from the 300 or so other drivers my dispatcher is handling.

I'm only going to drive 70 hours in 8 days - whether I do that in 6.4 days or 8 days is a function of when freight I'm close to is available.

Now I can distinguish myself by refusing to move freight because I've set a limit under the allowable 11 for relatively arbitrary reasons - or I can distinguish myself by taking freight when it's available knowing full well that my dispatcher knows the status of my clocks and (theoretically) plans with those in mind. No matter how much I drive, I'm going to get 10 hours sleep per day.

Aren't the hours "additive", meaning that if I don't consume them in one 70 hour period, they'll be available in the next 70 hour period?

Sure, I hate the idea of sitting in Armpit, UT for 34 hours - but if my dispatcher is playing favorites, I want to be one of them.

Thanks in advance for any advice and/or comments.

[GMAN]

You cannot carry hours over from one 70 hours period to another. What you can do is reset the clock with a 34 hour break. Once you take the 34 hours, you have 70 hours again.

[golfhobo]

You cannot carry hours over from one 70 hours period to another. What you can do is reset the clock with a 34 hour break. Once you take the 34 hours, you have 70 hours again.

Gman: You might want to revist this one. I think the poster meant "can he carry unused hours out of his 70 OVER the 8 day period."

As the 8 day period is a "rolling" period, any unused hours out of his 70 WOULD be available for the next day (and added to what he gets back from the 8th day back,) or if not used, would be available for the NEXT day. Am I right?

There's no such thing as a "70 hour period." Only an 8 day period.

I think Mowman is offering a valuable point for discussion:

Should one try to limit his daily hours to the Crackaces system of 8.75 so as NEVER to HAVE to take a 34 hour reset? Or should he take the loads as offered, even if it burns up his hours and he HAS to reset?

Not being a Solo driver, this rarely becomes an issue for me.... so I am NOT stating facts or answers. Merely trying to "clarify" the question, so that the poster gets the best answer.

[BanditsCousin]

Mowman- your dispatcher has 300 drivers? Yowza!

[glasman2]

Should one try to limit his daily hours to the Crackaces system of 8.75 so as NEVER to HAVE to take a 34 hour reset? Or should he take the loads as offered, even if it burns up his hours and he HAS to reset?

Not being a Solo driver, this rarely becomes an issue for me.... so I am NOT stating facts or answers. Merely trying to "clarify" the question, so that the poster gets the best answer.

Ya? well you lost me there :? You trying to say there is a way to drive without resetting? I thought you had to reset period.

[GMAN]

Yes, I see what you mean, Golfhobo. I think I misread his post.

Glasman2, you are not required to take the 34 hour reset. It is only an option, which you are legally entitled to take, if you want. As long as you don't exceed your 70 hours within an 8 day period, you will not run out of hours and don't need to reset your clock. Before the last hos change, I would sometimes pace myself where I could continue running without sitting over night to gain more hours. It is an individual decision. Since the 34 restart, I usually run harder and take the reset. I think the reset is the only good thing about the new hours of service which works for the driver. It does help to have a day to rest.

[glasman2]

OK understand now, thanks.
I agree needing time to rest more so if your new and not use to driving all the time. Plus give you some site seeing time in, if your in an area to do it.