60 Hr. / 7 Day Rule

[terrylamar]

Let me get this straight, I want to make sure I don't misunderstand this rule. It pertains to Motor Carriers that do not run seven days per week? We were told in Log Book class to disregard that side of the Monthly Summary Sheet in the Driver's Daily Log Book because that is the old rules and everybody uses 70Hr / 8 day. My reference is FMCSR 395.3 (b) (1).

[terrylamar]

Well, I guess this should be int the Rules and Regulations Section. Sorry.

[Rev.Vassago]

Yes. The 60/7 day rule applies to carriers that do not run trucks 7 days a week.

[terrylamar]

This is why I am happy I found this site month ago. I am getting a better Book Knowledge here than I am in class. I'm sure this will change once we actually get out to the trucks.

[flatbedder]

These HOS Regs. really do not make sense. How come you cant go over 60 in 7 days but it is legal to burn your 70 in 5 days and take a reset? What are these lawmakers thinking :?:

[Rev.Vassago]

These HOS Regs. really do not make sense. How come you cant go over 60 in 7 days but it is legal to burn your 70 in 5 days and take a reset? What are these lawmakers thinking :?:

You could burn your 60 in 5 days if you wanted to. 34 hour resets apply to both 60/7 and 70/8 operations.

[Aligator]

These HOS Regs. really do not make sense. How come you cant go over 60 in 7 days but it is legal to burn your 70 in 5 days and take a reset? What are these lawmakers thinking :?:

You're right; they don't make sense. And lots of times they can't be followed.

For instance:
I finished the delivery at 2PM after driving for 8 hours. Was told to make a pickup 150 miles away at midnight.

How'm I gonna do that? :?

I could sleep from 1400 til 2200, but there was no place to park; I had to drive another hour to a truck stop. By that time it was 1500. If I sleep for anything less than 8 hours it doesn't count as sleep! That's time "on duty".

So I drove to the pickup point. But since I had started my day at 0600, I had to shut down for 10 hours at 2000, right? - 14 hours.

So now - legally - I can't make my pickup. And even if I did, I couldn't go anywhere with it -legally - because I'm out of hours!

Tough!, says my pickup location. You're loaded, get outa our lot! By that time it was 1 AM, it was raining, I was in St Louis.....I had actually been on duty since 0600 - legally - ....so what did I do?

I lied. I tore up my old log sheet and made myself one that would get me through the scale south of St Loius and on to the rest stop so that I could get some sleep.

Good call, too!.....It was Friday, they were checking logs (they often do on Fridays because they know we all want to make it home) and when the guy stepped up to the truck and said "Lemmee see your log book" I had it in his hands instantly.
"You know you're about to run outa hours, right?"
"Sure do! I'm on my way to the rest stop right now." (that part was true)
"OK. Pull out of line and drive around the scale."



Heh, heh......I was a tad overweight on the trailer tandems, too...

Slept like a very tired trucker, too........

[flatbedder]

I understand how the resets and burning up your hours work. My point was that the clowns who make these regulations are goofy. It is legal to use up 70 hours in 5 days and burn yourself out but you cant go over 60 hours in 7 days which would be less than 10 hrs a day. That would be a nice steady pace to run at. I think a driver would be much more prone to accident while burning up their 70 in 5 days trying to get home for the weekend, yet its legal. I just dont understand the fed's thinking sometimes

[terrylamar]

I understand how the resets and burning up your hours work. My point was that the clowns who make these regulations are goofy. It is legal to use up 70 hours in 5 days and burn yourself out but you cant go over 60 hours in 7 days which would be less than 10 hrs a day. That would be a nice steady pace to run at. I think a driver would be much more prone to accident while burning up their 70 in 5 days trying to get home for the weekend, yet its legal. I just dont understand the fed's thinking sometimes

It is not legal to drive 70 hours in five days. The most you can drive is 11 hours per day for a total of 55 hours (with a few exceptions.) Of course, other than teams who drives that many hours? Even they might find it hard to drive 11 hours each day. You have to do your pretrip, fuel, wait for a load, wait to be unloaded, etc. The rule is 70 hours in 8 days.

[flatbedder]

I know its not legal to drive 70 hrs in 5 days, but you can use all 70 hrs in 5 days. My only point to this is the fact that you can legally log 70 hrs in 5 days and but on the other hand the 60/7 rule is there so it just dont make much sense. See what im getting at?

[terrylamar]

I know its not legal to drive 70 hrs in 5 days, but you can use all 70 hrs in 5 days. My only point to this is the fact that you can legally log 70 hrs in 5 days and but on the other hand the 60/7 rule is there so it just dont make much sense. See what im getting at?

Not quite, I understand you to say you can burn 14 hours per day for 5 days to reach 70. Who does this though? The part I don't understand is your reference to the 60/7 rule. This rule is for companies who don't run all seven days. Make me understand your point. I am new at this, I am only in school and don't know all the answers yet, if ever.

[flatbedder]

Sorry im confusing ya. My point was that the federal "law makers" say its legal to run work 70 hrs in 5 days but on the other hand they say you can only work 60 hrs in 7 days. My point is that they are kinda contradicting themselves ya know? When I was running regional flatbed I would pretty much burn up my 70 by friday and go home for the weekend and reset, my company didnt run 7 days a week and in the dot's eyes it was all legal, the 60/7 rule didnt even come into effect. That is all I was trying to get across is that these frickin' regs are only in place to confuse people IMHO

[RockyMtnProDriver]

I read somewhere that the 60 hr 7 day thingy is going to be gone after the new year.

[yoopr]

I read somewhere that the 60 hr 7 day thingy is going to be gone after the new year.

Who the Hell knows Rocky-Had the Old Regs. forever and in the space of 3 yrs. have changed them 2-3 times
Wish they went back to the Old and lets the cards fall as they May :P