Mexican drivers

[scania]

How worried should the American truck driver be about cheap Mexican drivers,I heard Celadon is seriously looking at outsourcing their drivers
Mexican Drivers
Arguments against opening the border to Mexican trucks (and drivers) includes the fear that Mexican drivers will take American jobs.
Celadon to Utilize Mexican Drives to Save Money
(Indianapolis-November 22, 2004) -- Like many Hoosier manufacturers that go outside the country looking for cheaper labor, a local trucking company is about to utilize Mexican truck drivers to save money and boost its earnings in the future.

The move could increase Celadon Trucking's profits by as much as 80 cents a share within the next two years, according to President Thomas Glaser.

Glaser said the U.S. Dept. of Transportation is about to lift regulations that have previously restricted Mexican truckers from driving farther than 20 miles into the U.S. The rule has forced truckers to switch loads coming from Mexico with Mexican drivers, to trucks driven by American drivers, adding significantly to their expenses.

Celedon just comes out and says it, we're going to use them and we're going to make money because of the cheaper labor costs. The fear that Mexican drivers will take American jobs I think is a valid fear and not just propaganda put out by the union. American drivers that now haul stuff either directly from Mexico or from just across the border to it's final destination in the US will be replaced if Celedon gets it's wish.
Trucking firms like Celadon say they will save money and operate more efficiently with the restriction gone.[/url]

[Orangetxguy]

Si` Habla espanole`????

No speekie da unglesh!!


LOL...can not wait to see all them Celadon trucks, left parked in the grungiest areas of Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Hell A, Hoboken..which ever, et al! Door's wide open...merchandise gone...driver disappeared. :!: :!: :!:

Think Celadon stock will be worth a bunch then :?: :?: !!!!! Yea buddy..chase that share holder value, you miscreant ____ ____ ___.

[Cluggy619]

How worried should the American truck driver be about cheap Mexican drivers,I heard Celadon is seriously looking at outsourcing their drivers
Mexican Drivers
Arguments against opening the border to Mexican trucks (and drivers) includes the fear that Mexican drivers will take American jobs.
Celadon to Utilize Mexican Drives to Save Money
(Indianapolis-November 22, 2004) -- Like many Hoosier manufacturers that go outside the country looking for cheaper labor, a local trucking company is about to utilize Mexican truck drivers to save money and boost its earnings in the future.

The move could increase Celadon Trucking's profits by as much as 80 cents a share within the next two years, according to President Thomas Glaser.

Glaser said the U.S. Dept. of Transportation is about to lift regulations that have previously restricted Mexican truckers from driving farther than 20 miles into the U.S. The rule has forced truckers to switch loads coming from Mexico with Mexican drivers, to trucks driven by American drivers, adding significantly to their expenses.

Celedon just comes out and says it, we're going to use them and we're going to make money because of the cheaper labor costs. The fear that Mexican drivers will take American jobs I think is a valid fear and not just propaganda put out by the union. American drivers that now haul stuff either directly from Mexico or from just across the border to it's final destination in the US will be replaced if Celedon gets it's wish.
Trucking firms like Celadon say they will save money and operate more efficiently with the restriction gone.[/url]

Like I said in another post.....it is nice to know what companies are doing this....Any others?

[semma]

I think this is a terrible mistake by the Department of Transportation. But then again most laws and regulations nowadays cater towards large corporations.

American companies are moving manufacturing facilities to Mexico and paying peanuts to the workers there and are bringing back the parts to America to assemble somewhere in the south for a low wage.

Now these same pieces will be transported by Mexicans at a dirt cheap rate leaving the American trucker unable to compete because our cost of living doesn't even compare with a Mexican driver.

I don't know where I'm going with this post other than to say I think American truckers have a real concern here if this happens.

It's good that our government wants to do what is in the best interest of our American companies but it's not acceptable to allow these same companies to screw over the American worker.

[Orangetxguy]

BUSH.... $$$$$ 4 MORE YEARS !!! 4 MORE YEARS !!!!!


:rock: arty:

[BanditsCousin]

Read Landline from a month or two ago-

Freighliner shutting down plants in N. America...but a new plant is being built in Mexico

Reminds of a time recently when a mexican driver couldn't even order with a waitress at the Flying Hook and had to have his 10 year old boy translate it

[Cluggy619]

Well, all I have to say is this.

It's war. They have invaded our land, and now our profession. It has to stop, and the government is NOT going to do it, so it's up to us.

So do what you can to any Mexican trucking companies, and any American trucking companies who will take advantage of this to make a buck at our expence.

Or suffer the lower checks as your Mexican buddies take your pay away.

Up to you.

[Orangetxguy]

Ya know...Patton is on AMC right now..he did that " Americans love WAR" thing....We need another Patton!!!



BUSH $$$$$ 4 MORE YEARS !!!! 4 MORE YEARS !!!!

:rock: arty: :alien:

[bonzo]

wait till those drivers from across the border have to chain up. they do not even no what snow is . i wonder how many people they will kill before some one figures that out?

[ALKELE]

Before those companies can get the DOT to approve the Mexican drivers, the companies have to get the DOT to get rid of the requirement for the driver to speak and read English. Actually, they are trying to get that requirement lifted now. They are also wanting the Mexican's Mexico CDLs to be good for here in the USA.

Yes, the American companies will hire the Mexican drivers. They will cut their freight rates and put the independents and small companies out of business. It all comes back to paying the drivers as little as possible and making as big a profit as possible.

Downside: even bigger than the amount of American drivers this will put into the unemployment line is this. Imagine all these Mexican drivers (unable to read English) trying to negotiate our highways and construction zones while not being able to read the English signs. Imagine a Mexican driver, who after killing someone in an accident and runs away from the accident scene and back to Mexico, who can then go to another Mexican state and change his name and get a new CDL. Then he can get back on the American highways. Imagine the absolute slaughter of American lives on our roads.

At least the Canadians use pretty much the same system of logs, CDL licensing, the inability to just go to another state to get a new CDL when your old state revokes your CDL issued through them, the requirement to be able to read and speak English (although some of the French Canadians can be hard to understand due to accents).

These American trucking companies want these cheap labor Mexican drivers, but they had better be prepared to spend hundreds of millions of dollars settling all the wrongful death lawsuits coming from all of the accidents that will occur.

[mikey4069]

Ive got the fix for our problem .

[ALKELE]

Almost forgot.

Let's not forget that the big companies wanting this also include the companies that hire a driver with no experience, place him/her in a truck with a "trainer", have them run team operation with most of the emphasis on keeping that truck running instead of training, and after 28-30 days of "training", put that new driver on the road by himself/herself.

That is how I started driving with PAM Transport. I got out of training and thought to myself, "THAT was training?" Now, I would not of gotten hired by most companies because most companies want 1 year experience to start. And without the "training" companies, most of would be in the position of "you want a year experience, but how do I get that year unless someone hires me?"

If we cannot trust these companies to properly train the American truck drivers coming into the industry (speaking and reading English), how can we expect them to properly train Mexican truck drivers who cannot speak or read English?

[mikey4069]

i say we take them over first

[sweepwing]

I invite and encourage EVERYONE to call up their representatives and senators TOMORROW to tell them what you think of this issue. It is about the ONLY thing we can do at this point.

A group that is interested in this and other illegal immigration issues is www.numbersusa.com. It is free and they can fax off protest letters directly to your reps and senators. Did I remember to say that it was FREE?

[merrick4]

This is very frustrating to say the least. When you have these big companies not only pushing for this but lying as well, and when you are just a citizen with no voice really, well like I said it's frustrating.

It's funny that the American Trucking Association, the same one that has been propigating the driver shortage myth, is actually for this.

One thing I think is important to remember. Let's not blame the Mexicans. I haven't been there, but I did travel to South America once and if I had to live like that, I'd be the first one to cross the Rio Grande. The poverty I saw was amazing, yet I ended up in this neighborhood with homes like you wouldn't believe and I started asking who lives in these houses and was told the politicians.

It's not some Mexican looking for a better life doing this to us, it's the US companies and politicians.

Honestly, in spite of the fact that me losing my job to a mexican is obviously not good for me, I could understand that companies are in business to make a profit. But why lie and scheme in order to do that? Also this all needs to be done for the prosperity of all. That is if this was good for our economy as well as mexico ok, but what it seems they are doing is instead of bringing Mexico up to our standards, they are bringing us down to theirs. It should be noted that the people I was with in South America were all educated. How about a nuerosurgeon earning $400 a month. Again, why can't we bring their countries up instead of bringing us down?

Anyway this will come back to bite them in the end one way or another although this isn't any consolation to us while we look for another job.

I read an article recently, I don't remember where, that the Wall Street fat cats are complaining because a lot of companies are now choosing to list on foreign exchanges as they are cheaper and have a lot less regulatory burdens. That is they are having their jobs now outsourced and they don't like it too much. Now they want to complain.

Anyway, sorry if this is rambling, I think I have the flu. First time sick while I'm out here on the road. Hasn't been pleasant.

[Shebear]

http://www.washtimes.com/business/20...0828-5481r.htm

[Goin Fer It]

Merrick4

The biggest problem is that the immigration is not legal and controlled. The new immigrants are getting government handouts which cost the taxpayers and they are undercutting American jobs. They have refused to learn our language or meld which has never been done. Once we were known as a melding pot, where immigrants came and learned and became proud Americans. This is not happening at all. The loyalty is not to America and the aim of these immigrants is not to become part of this once great nation.

Sure Nana came from Germany after WWII but she and her husband learned our language and became patriotic Americans. They worked hard they did not come for free medical, food stamps, housing. They came for a better life but were willing to work hard and not burden the taxpayers by being here. And the immigrants of the past that came legally and wanted to meld into America do not like what they see happening to our country. Is it fair that they followed the rules and others that come in and break our laws are granted hand outs and amnesty?

Now I fear that with the latest kidnapping ploy for money of the 13 year old that many others are coming up from further south than Mexico. They do this very often in Costa Rica and many other countries.

By the way many in other countries south of Mexico look at Mexico as rich and would like to go there but Mexico will not allow them to work or migrate to their country. Read some of the laws in Mexico and see how their immigration and their policy is.

As far as our politicians if this was the day of our founders of this country they would either be shot or hung for sedition.

Now I have rambled and I am not sick :wink: I hope you feel better soon.

Goin Fer It's Wife

[Cluggy619]

I copied this from another post....

I know what you are saying now.

As far as celedon and the mexican national thing. I personally dont know enough about it to comment. However let me take the devils advocate side for debate purposes. Say Celedon does use mexican drivers bringing stuff across the border and delivery in the states at 13 cpm.
All in the good name of profit. Personally, I dont see that taking away from the american driver. This would be a new source of freight. Now say this happens and Celedon doesnt cut the pay of american drivers. And say the company makes record profits and the stock price goes up big time. Any Celedon driver who was smart enough to invest in the company would also benefit greatly by this. So everyone wins.
A good employee stock purchase plan at a very profitable company can end up in the long run making the driver more money than he was paid for driving a truck.

When you lower the pay of what a driver is worth, it hurts the industry. Right now, it is limited to products coming to and from Mexico. So far, with as much business we do from that boarder, all of the American drivers who use to pick up and deliver to that boarder are now out of a job.

Anybody knows what the percentage this is in relation to the US trucking industry?

And once this starts, who to say it won't continue? Expand to other companies? But who cares, right?

If your a owner/operator, you should. Once this foothold get in, you will be the first to feel the effects.

Lease/operators....bad for you too.

The last one to feel will be the company drivers, but they will soon find that the very company they spent time, driving hard, working their butts off for, is now going to lower their PAY......and it will happen, where will everyone go? Screaming to Congress? By that time, it's too late.

Right now, your thinking about Chicken Little...."the sky is falling, the sky is falling......" hehehe

I hope that soon, people will start to post how this effected them.....

Good luck to us all.....we will need it.

[Orangetxguy]

Well...Congress is whom you SHOULD be writting NOW !!!![/b] Nobody should wait to see the "effects" of this.

[NevadaJim]

Well...Congress is whom you SHOULD be writting NOW !!!![/b] Nobody should wait to see the "effects" of this.

Congress is the ones pushing this...why call them? One of the reasons for outsourcing, not just in trucking, is that we Americans are spoiled. We don't want the manual labor jobs. We want to sit in nice cumfy airconditioned offices, doing nothing, and expecting the big paycheck. We live beyond our means using credit and then blame the economy. Of course, companies are going to find the cheapest labor pool, and hire them. Everyone on this board, if running his own company of any substantial size, would do exactly the same thing, and don't deny it. Now, I don't approve of outsourcing but we have brought some of this on ourselves. We have some folks who refuse to work for low wages because our government has such lenient welfare guidelines. Jobs are there but some think they are above working for minimum wage. Easier to stand in line at the welfare office and get the handout...why work? Outsourcing is just of the prices we pay for living in such a materialistic society.