Soldier goes postal

[golfhobo]

Google shooting and Ft. Hood to find all the details from whatever news source you trust.

Just in case some went to print too quickly..... the shooter is still alive and will survive.

[Twilight Flyer]

You know, I was talking to my wife about this yesterday when I got home…this was before they released the info on the shooter. Then we got the guy’s name and the story about how he was comparing suicide bombers to heroes. And that brought up the following questions.

How in God’s name, did the army end up with a fanatical Muslim extremist as a major and in a position to do this?

And more importantly, when are the retaliatory attacks going to come against the innocent Muslims in this country?

Because it will happen. People are so on edge right now about all the garbage going on in the world, they’re going to see this as another attack on our home soil. Muslims were under heavy rhetorical fire after 911…now with 8 years of simmering anger and hatred to fuel the fire, I have a feeling it’s going to get way out of hand and transfer from symbolic to realistic. I certainly hope it doesn’t, but I’ve lost a lot of faith in humanity in general and simply believe it to be unavoidable.

All that said, though, let’s not get it started on this board. I can understand the feelings. I’m just as angry, disgusted, and shocked as anyone else. But we need to take a step back and not pour gasoline on the fires. If we’re going to discuss this, great. If you want to let it all hang out against the piece of trash that did this, by all means, let ‘er rip. But don’t let this turn into a religious or race war on this board.

Thanks.

[ironeagle_2006]

Agreed ith you TF. When Gearldo Rivera Mr NO DEATH PENALTY wants him tried by TX so that way he will get the DEATH PENALTY that tell you anything. TTalked to a couple sal****er fish keeping friends of mine they are in Fort Sill and they have friends at Hood they are like let the Wives get ahold of the SOB that did this. Sorry Army wives are worse than Marinesa when it comes to screwing with them.

I called my SIL an Air Force wife what their feelings would be if this had happened at her base. Lets just say that Major better be GLAD he is under 24 HR gaurd if he was not he would be dead already from the wives. They can understand the deaths overseas however one of their own FRAGGING them is over that line. Especially when they are unarmed.

[bentstrider]

From what I read they said that the man was against being deployed, had an intention of wanting to stay "stateside".
All religious/race reasoning aside, I'm still baffled by those who sign up and are accepted for duty, then think they don't have to serve in a combat zone.

At the very least, this guy could've been relatively safe in Iraq or Afghanistan given his rank and MD position.
It didn't seem like they were going to be throwing him on the front lines or some other life-risking, combat-related position.

IMO, this guy never seemed to know what he was truly getting himself into from the get-go.
In the end, that over-confidence bought him alot of stress and now all of this drama he's going to have to deal with for however much longer he'll remain alive.

[Rev.Vassago]

How in God’s name, did the army end up with a fanatical Muslim extremist as a major and in a position to do this?


They didn't. But thanks for spreading the misinformation. The guy had "no religious preference" listed in his personnel records, and all the reports of him supposedly shouting Muslim phrases are coming from people who didn't witness this tragedy happening. The guy was upset about being deployed to the middle east, and he likely snapped. Making it about religion is just an attempt to divide.



Rev; would hope that you'd take your own advice about "not throwing fuel on the fire" when it comes to this story.

[dobry4u]

Rev; would hope that you'd take your own advice about "not throwing fuel on the fire" when it comes to this story.

X2

I read where the shooter was taken down by a female Army police officer (who was one of the injured )...

YOU GO GIRL! :thumbsup:

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally, they had both the shooter, and the person who shot them, listed as dead. Just more misinformation that got spread around. Frankly, this "instant news" world we live in sucks. The lies and rumors get spread around like they are truth, and once the truth finally comes out, it takes forever to get the lies proven as such, if it can even be done at all.


Bye

[ssoutlaw]

They didn't. But thanks for spreading the misinformation. The guy had "no religious preference" listed in his personnel records, and all the reports of him supposedly shouting Muslim phrases are coming from people who didn't witness this tragedy happening. The guy was upset about being deployed to the middle east, and he likely snapped. Making it about religion is just an attempt to divide.



Rev; would hope that you'd take your own advice about "not throwing fuel on the fire" when it comes to this story.


No religious preference, now who is uninformed!!!
I guess you missed the phone interview with the cowards cousin! They asked him when he converted to Islam, his answer was, " He has always been Muslim"!!!!!
Listen, when you JOIN the military in war time, you know you take the chances of going to war!!!!
As far as making it an attempt to divide, if you listened to the interviews with his co workers he would make statements to other people about how we may deserve it and other sadisious remarks that should never have been uttered from an AMERICAN SOLDIER!!!! , so how does it not have anything to do with race or religion!!!! When you are a soldier, right or wrong, you protect your country and its people, and put them ahead of your beliefs!!! I would never say we should exterminate all Muslims, maybe the ones that wish to destroy us!!! From his actions and comments, he is one of the ones we should have been watching out for!!!! It doesn't matter what race or religion you are, you are a citizen of this country, you are American and should be given every consideration as anyone else in this country.... Until you prove different!!!!!This is just my opinion, like it or not!!!!

[Twilight Flyer]

Rev,

CNN News this morning reported that he was indeed a Muslim. So did Fox news. Both were radio news broadcasts that I listen to daily on my way to work and the news was coming from both sides of the media trench. I bracketed my comment with “fanatical” and “extremist” because I didn’t want to put all Muslims into the same bucket, although many people will, unfortunately. I am well aware of what I should and should not be posting and my comments were perfectly fine and within reason.

Fact is, it appears now that the Army did indeed have a fanatical extremist in a fairly high-ranking position and as a psychiatrist no less? Again, how in the world, with everything that is going on with the war on terror, does that happen? You’re fooling yourself if you don’t think 99% of Americans are asking that question right now. And you’re naïve if you think that a bunch of stupid, brainless idiots aren’t out there right now, planning on “getting even.”

[ssoutlaw]

Rev,

CNN News this morning reported that he was indeed a Muslim. So did Fox news. Both were radio news broadcasts that I listen to daily on my way to work and the news was coming from both sides of the media trench. I bracketed my comment with “fanatical” and “extremist” because I didn’t want to put all Muslims into the same bucket, although many people will, unfortunately. I am well aware of what I should and should not be posting and my comments were perfectly fine and within reason.

Fact is, it appears now that the Army did indeed have a fanatical extremist in a fairly high-ranking position and as a psychiatrist no less? Again, how in the world, with everything that is going on with the war on terror, does that happen? You’re fooling yourself if you don’t think 99% of Americans are asking that question right now. And you’re naïve if you think that a bunch of stupid, brainless idiots aren’t out there right now, planning on “getting even.”


Well, to stop these kinds of trash, we as a country would have to use the racial or religious profiling most hate! Get over it people, we just have to wait till something like this happens so we don't hurt anyone's feelings!!! Now that's politically correct!!!....lol

[Jackrabbit379]

That is messed up! :eek1: :mad:
Actually, I heard about it on the cb radio last night. There was a college (football) game on, and I didn't listen to any news last night. I heard everyone talking about it, and it blew my mind. It still blows my mind.
Fort Hood aint that far from Huntsville. :p They should 'deploy' him over to Huntsville, and introduce him to the inmates as soon as he heals. :p
One of the reasons why he didn't want to get deployed, is probably because he's one of the playing cards, and didn't want to get "turned up" over there. He knew he was safe here. :p :lol:

It makes ya wonder how many more of them we have in our country's forts, bases. :hellno:

[Twilight Flyer]

Well, to stop these kinds of trash, we as a country would have to use the racial or religious profiling most hate! Get over it people, we just have to wait till something like this happens so we don't hurt anyone's feelings!!! Now that's politically correct!!!....lol

I honestly don’t know what the answer is, but I’m willing to bet that the fallout from this, both immediate and long-term, will be far-reaching. As far as this particular situation goes, there seems to be a lot of red flags popping up. Doesn’t appear to be one of those “oh, he was so quiet” episodes. If these red flags turn out to have merit, why didn’t someone pick up on it? Lot of questions being asked that go far beyond the gunman himself.

[Rev.Vassago]

Rev,

CNN News this morning reported that he was indeed a Muslim. So did Fox news. Both were radio news broadcasts that I listen to daily on my way to work and the news was coming from both sides of the media trench. I bracketed my comment with “fanatical” and “extremist” because I didn’t want to put all Muslims into the same bucket, although many people will, unfortunately. I am well aware of what I should and should not be posting and my comments were perfectly fine and within reason.

Fact is, it appears now that the Army did indeed have a fanatical extremist in a fairly high-ranking position and as a psychiatrist no less? Again, how in the world, with everything that is going on with the war on terror, does that happen? You’re fooling yourself if you don’t think 99% of Americans are asking that question right now. And you’re naïve if you think that a bunch of stupid, brainless idiots aren’t out there right now, planning on “getting even.”

The NY Times disagrees, and cited proof that he wasn't (based on his personnel file). But no matter. That doesn't prove this shooting had ANYTHING to do with his religion, and the fact that you included it is part of that divide I was speaking of. In fact, every major news outlet I've read this morning all said the same thing - he wanted out of the army because he didn't want to be deployed to the Middle East. Why you are making it about his religion, even going so far as to call him a "radical Muslim", is beyond me. You're feeding into the hype. Adding fuel to the fire.

[Jackrabbit379]

I wouldn't trust the NY Times if they said that the sky is blue.
If I get banned, oh well, but whether he's a muslim or not, he's a dot head. I think "not wanting to get deployed" was a cop-out or an excuse to 'fulfill his destiny' as a terrorist. If his name was John Smith, than it might be that he just 'flipped out', and could be condoned. I think this Hasan is/was a terrorist. I believe they are all over our country. We just don't know who, or where they are until they decide to unload on us.
I know what I just said was not very nice to say, but I have a problem. I am plain spoken, and I speak my mind. I will take responsibility for saying this, and accept the disciplinary actions. Even having my membership of CAD terminated, if needed.

[Twilight Flyer]

I think you are completely missing my point. I am well aware of his desire not to go overseas and deploy. That being said, however, this whole thing has already been made out to be because he is a Muslim, like it or not. It’s in every story, on every news station…it’s everywhere.

Were I to be a Muslim, I would certainly want people thinking he was of the radical extremist sect and not indicative of Muslims in general. It goes that way with every religion or beliefs when some f’ing moron pops up and massacres someone, be it one or many. Whether we’re talking a Christian, Muslim, abortion foe, same sex marriage pro, etc. etc., the nutjobs should never be associated with the decent people as a whole.

Since we’re already on that line of thinking (remember, my original post was in reply to the post you deleted...I am assuming you also received the reported post notification and erased the post before I did) my whole point has been to separate him out from the decent Muslims.

[Twilight Flyer]

The more I think about it, I think this is where our disconnect is, Rev. My first post was in reply to a reported post, where the poster unloaded on Muslims in general. My reply was based on that post and not the first post that brought up the fact that he is a Muslim. With that post deleted (I was going to edit it myself), it now casts my original post in a different light and looks like I was the one that brought it up, which was not actually the case.

[Rev.Vassago]

So there was a shooting in Orlando today. 2 people dead so far, 6 injured. When can we expect to hear the religion of the shooter, so we can blame it on that?


Whatever. Go ahead and spread hate. Im done.

[Twilight Flyer]

As I said, whether we’re talking a Christian, Muslim, abortion foe, same sex marriage pro, etc. etc., the nutjobs should never be associated with the decent people as a whole.

I’m not getting what your problem here is. You’ve taken my original post completely out of context now, with the removal of the offending post. If you were the one that removed it, then you know what it said. And that being the case, you know that you are way out of line with your accusations.

I wasn’t the one that came in here and started hammering on Muslims. I correctly labeled this piece of garbage as an extremist, which puts him in an extreme minority. I’m having a hard time figuring out why you have a problem with that.

Unless every news station is wrong and his family is incorrect with their statements, the guy is a muslim. Does not his actions, by definition, make him an extremist and NOT indicative of the Muslim world as a whole?

Like I said, I’m not understanding this from you at all. It almost sounds like you’re defending him, the shooter.

[Rev.Vassago]

I correctly labeled this piece of garbage as an extremist, which puts him in an extreme minority. I’m having a hard time figuring out why you have a problem with that.

Extreme minority of what? American citizens? Sure.

Unless every news station is wrong and his family is incorrect with their statements, the guy is a muslim. Does not his actions, by definition, make him an extremist and NOT indicative of the Muslim world as a whole?


His religion has nothing to do with what happened. The fact that the major media outlets are focusing on it, and others are following suit, is despicable. I have a major problem with people labeling others based on their religious beliefs when their religious beliefs have nothing to do with what is being discussed. Until a report shows that it did, religion played no part in this tragedy. The guy was born and raised in America. He is an American citizen, nothing more, nothing less.

(AP) His name had barely been released, his heritage and history not immediately known, but the reaction was fast and furious.

"Jihad at Fort Hood?" read the headline of a post on the Jihad Watch blog just moments after Nidal Malik Hasan was identified as the alleged perpetrator of a mass shooting at the Texas military base that killed 12 people and wounded 31 others.

"The name tells us a lot, does it not, senator?" Fox News's Shep Smith said while interviewing Kay Bailey Hutchison, a Texas senator.


That is pathetic news reporting, and Faux News should be ashamed to have this idiot representing them.

Fort Hood Anti-Muslim Backlash Immediate - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/06/national/main5545291.shtml?tag=stack)

[Rev.Vassago]

If I get banned, oh well, but whether he's a muslim or not, he's a dot head.

If you're going to use racial slurs, you might want to actually get them correct. That particular racial slur is for East Indians, most of which fall under the Hindu religion.

You are pathetic.

[Twilight Flyer]

His religion has nothing to do with what happened.

You don’t know that. The investigation, not to mention ALL the news coverage (CNN, FOX, CBS, ABC) leans in the other direction. Right or wrong.

They’ve seized the guys PC. They’ve already got him on websites with an anti-American attitude. I don’t see where anyone has corroborated the “God is Great!” shouting he was allegedly doing, so I have not mentioned it. But in light of everything that is already laid bare, there is little reason to believe this is anything other than what it appears. Maybe it will, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

However, my point in the first post was to differentiate between this guy and the Muslim world in general and remember, that was in reply to a deleted post hammering on all Muslims. As you are already seeing (and I haven’t read the link to that story, but the title says it all), too many people are all fired up about it without using their brains. I’ve used mine, I KNOW this guy doesn’t represent the Muslim faith in general, and I have come on here and asked that everyone else view it the same way.

Again, I have a hard time understanding why you have a problem with that.

[Rev.Vassago]

you know what? i had a nice long response written up, but **** it. i'm outta here.

[Glad Hand]

You know, I was talking to my wife about this yesterday when I got home…this was before they released the info on the shooter. Then we got the guy’s name and the story about how he was comparing suicide bombers to heroes. And that brought up the following questions.

How in God’s name, did the army end up with a fanatical Muslim extremist as a major and in a position to do this?

And more importantly, when are the retaliatory attacks going to come against the innocent Muslims in this country?

Because it will happen. People are so on edge right now about all the garbage going on in the world, they’re going to see this as another attack on our home soil. Muslims were under heavy rhetorical fire after 911…now with 8 years of simmering anger and hatred to fuel the fire, I have a feeling it’s going to get way out of hand and transfer from symbolic to realistic. I certainly hope it doesn’t, but I’ve lost a lot of faith in humanity in general and simply believe it to be unavoidable.

All that said, though, let’s not get it started on this board. I can understand the feelings. I’m just as angry, disgusted, and shocked as anyone else. But we need to take a step back and not pour gasoline on the fires. If we’re going to discuss this, great. If you want to let it all hang out against the piece of trash that did this, by all means, let ‘er rip. But don’t let this turn into a religious or race war on this board.

Thanks.

Study Islam and what it inculcates. Read the Koran, the Ahadith, and especially the Sira (biography of Muhammad). Study the disturbing history of Islam. Read the works written by experts like Robert Spencer, Bat Ye’or, Hugh Fitzgerald, and many others, and you will soon learn that contrary to what our government’s official position is, Islam is not a religion of peace. In reality Islam is a very extremist ideology of conquest and anyone and everyone who adheres to that so-called religion is an extremist.

Study how in every Muslim country in the world without exception non-Muslims are discriminated against and treated as second-class citizens. Study how in every non-Islamic country in the world where Muslims have migrated they have refused to assimilate and integrate. Notice how every country in the world once Muslims start migrating soon become the victims of Islamic terror attacks that forces that country to double and triple the amount of resources they dedicate to homeland defense because of the excess baggage of the Muslims and their so-called religion. Also notice that in countries where Muslims have not yet immigrated, those countries have not yet become the victim of Islamic terror attacks in stark contrast to the countries where Muslims have migrated.

Of course, the Saudi financed Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan) front groups like CAIR will be out front and center spewing their taqiyya (deceptive propaganda) and denouncing the attacker’s actions as an act of depravity having nothing to do with Islam itself and peaceful Muslims, and of course the gullible politically correct liberal media will be giving them all the air time they want and need to spew their lies meant to deceive.

In the end, the attack will eventually be attributed to any and everything else but what it really was: an act of jihad by a pious Muslim. I mean I heard the general this morning repeatedly state that there is nothing whatsoever to suggest it was an act of Islamic terrorism. Even though the shooter was yelling Alllahu Acbar (God is Great!) while pulling the trigger and murdering his kafir comrades. Even though he denounced American foreign policy to his comrades and compared suicide/homicide bombers to soldiers falling on a grenade to save their comrades. There is nothing to say it had anything to do with the fact that he was a Muslim. Don’t even suggest that nonsense. Don't even go there. :rofl:

[golfhobo]

X2

I read where the shooter was taken down by a female Army police officer (who was one of the injured )...

YOU GO GIRL! :thumbsup:

Actually, she was a civilian cop contracted to provide base security.

In an interview with AC360 on CNN, the male cop seems to be taking MOST if not all of the credit for bringing the shooter down. We'll see when they reconstruct the angles of the shots that took him down.

[golfhobo]

For the record.... his cousin stated that he was always Muslim. That is probably true. However, that doesn't preclude him from listing NO PREFERENCE on his military record. I'm a Baptist, but I could have claimed no preference.

[Glad Hand]

This incident had nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, being a Muslim, Islamic terrorism, or Islamic jihad. Per his cousin he was a victim of incessant persecution by his peers and it was this persistent persecution for his being a Muslim that led to him eventually cracking and unleashing this jihad attack upon American kafirs about to be sent off to fight his fellow jihadists abroad.

In any event we can all rest easy, it is very clear the good major to say the least was a so-called peaceful “moderate Muslim”… that is until he wasn’t.

[Pack_Rat]

It seems Rev.Vassago has an issue with the truth and also with people who disagree with his point of view. My previously deleted statement still stands. They all should be rounded up and deported.

[golfhobo]

It seems Rev.Vassago has an issue with the truth and also with people who disagree with his point of view. My previously deleted statement still stands. They all should be rounded up and deported.

I AGREE!!

Um.... we ARE talking about the Conservatives, right? :lol2:

[DaveP]

The shooter has now been tied to a mosque in VA also attended by two of the Sept. 11 hijackers at a time when a radical iman preached there...Alleged shooter tied to mosque of 9/11 hijackers | abcactionnews.com (http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/national/story/Alleged-shooter-tied-to-mosque-of-9-11-hijackers/JCz4Jdj9b0mvbQgS6fPyUA.cspx)

[ironeagle_2006]

Found out something very interesting. Her Hubby is an MP and he found out why this AHLE had his car keyed. He was telling soliders that had just returned from Iraq and Aghanistan that the Muslims were correct in Killing them. These were troops that had buddies killed overseas and this Major AHOLE is telling them that some MUSLIM THAT USED AN IED WAS DOING ALLAHS WILL TO KILL HIS COMRADES IN ARMS. Yet the Armay refused to do anything about HIM. He got this info from a MP that had just transfered out of HIS unit 3 months ago and was assigned to Fort Hood.

Could this be WHY MAJOR AHOLE HASSON GOT HIS CAR KEYED.

So Why are the MSM refusing to cover this.

[BigDiesel]

Looks like things have changed here...... All of this drama over a ( I guess you didn't get the part about use of such language ) murdering 13 innocent people........

Or did you think Rev's little rant about no moderation on the board was a new standard? Try to pull that crap again and you WILL be out on your ass ASAP.

[Syncrosonix]

not just in this case, which is a sad one, i have felt muslims of arab descent and/or muslim converts should be barred from being able to join the UNITED STATES armed forces. they all go rotten at some point. it may not be immediate. it's only a question of when they will, and act upon allah almighty's will. feck islam!

the army is also pretty jacked up, too. i'm still quite pissed off at that branch for the whole pat tillman debacle.

[Mackman]

i have felt muslims of arab descent and/or muslim converts should be barred from being able to join the UNITED STATES.

Fixed it for you :thumbsup:

[Syncrosonix]

Fixed it for you :thumbsup:

well, that works, too, dude! :thumbsup:

[golfhobo]

Found out something very interesting. Her Hubby is an MP and he found out why this AHLE had his car keyed. He was telling soliders that had just returned from Iraq and Aghanistan that the Muslims were correct in Killing them. These were troops that had buddies killed overseas and this Major AHOLE is telling them that some MUSLIM THAT USED AN IED WAS DOING ALLAHS WILL TO KILL HIS COMRADES IN ARMS. Yet the Armay refused to do anything about HIM. He got this info from a MP that had just transfered out of HIS unit 3 months ago and was assigned to Fort Hood.

Could this be WHY MAJOR AHOLE HASSON GOT HIS CAR KEYED.

So Why are the MSM refusing to cover this.

Hate to spoil your pouting party, dude. This has been reported and discussed by CNN and others since the first day. Heard it with my own 3 ears! :hellno:

[golfhobo]

not just in this case, which is a sad one, i have felt muslims of arab descent and/or muslim converts should be barred from being able to join the UNITED STATES armed forces.

they all go rotten at some point.

it may not be immediate. it's only a question of when they will, and act upon allah almighty's will. feck islam!

the army is also pretty jacked up, too. i'm still quite pissed off at that branch for the whole pat tillman debacle.

Your entitled to whatever opinion you want to have, dude. But, just so you KNOW..... "this" is the kind of ignorant racist remark that got this thread locked the first time.

I've heard interviews over the last few days with Muslims who have fought bravely in both of these ill conceived wars. I wonder what opinion THEY might have of you? Refresh my memory..... how many years did YOU serve?

[ironeagle_2006]

However Golf why are they refusing to discuss the last case of a Muslim going NUTS. In 2003 a 101st Sargent throwing Gernades into tents in Kuwaitt and killing multiple Officers. Fox brought that up and so far has been the only one to do so.

[Syncrosonix]

However Golf why are they refusing to discuss the last case of a Muslim going NUTS. In 2003 a 101st Sargent throwing Gernades into tents in Kuwaitt and killing multiple Officers. Fox brought that up and so far has been the only one to do so.

that jerk-off was a muslim convert.

hobo, i'll be racist toward arabs if i feel like it. they haven't done squat about curbing the lingering suspicion since 9/11, the london bombings, and madrid also. you don't hear them going out and protesting against radical islam.

[Glad Hand]

We just suffered the biggest Islamic jihad terrorist attack on our homeland since 9/29. Meanwhile, we have B. Hussein Obama in the White House telling us not to rush to judgment.

It is sort of like we have a president today who is dithering on whether or not to continue a silly fantasy-based nation building mission in Afghanistan to try to win the hearts and minds of Muslims who are obligated per their religion to hate our guts no matter what, while Iran, on the other hand, with impunity and while thumbing its nose at the kafir non-Islamic world is on the verge of acquiring the Islamic bomb, which will inevitably lead to the proliferation of nuclear weapons across the entire Dar al Islam.

Yep it’s obvious B. Hussein Obama and his ilk have their priorities straight. Not that the Republicans and unfortunately many conservatives today aren’t also as blind as a bat as well when it comes to Islam and Muslims! Whatever happened to quickly and forcefully obliterating our enemies ASAP, creating deterrence, and then going home? Apparently, political correct multiculturalism has afflicted our society every bit as bad as the Bubonic Plague afflicted the world during the Dark Ages.

Not only that but we are having mosques now all across the country asking for extra police protection because of a feared backlash by so-called Islamaphobes or people who otherwise legitimately criticize Islam, even though so for, knock on wood, there has been no backlash.

In other words, like they deceptively have been doing for many years now, CAIR and the other many Saudi funded Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan) groups are using this tragic event to make the Muslims out to be the victims in the minds of the gullible, clueless, and naive politically correct.

Considering the current occupants of the White House and the current majorities in Congress, along with the long established alliance the left has had with Islam, in the end this event will be attributed to a psychopath who just snapped and decided to unleash an attack in which 13 of our finest were shot down in cold blood and 38 were maimed and injured. Unfortunately, no heads will ever roll for this monstrosity!

Sort of like GWB never fired and even promoted those multicultural politically correct moonbats whose incompetence led to 9/11. Instead, GWB just appointed an idiotic 9/11 commission to sweep their incompetence under the rug and to justify doubling the size of the federal government under the guise of protecting the homeland and to also make accommodation, per his Saudi and Gulf States benefactors, for Muslim immigration and all the excess baggage it carries along with it.

Don’t look now but this country is being auctioned off by our so-called leaders and not necessarily to the highest bidders. Unfortunately, there will be no more America left over for our children and grandchildren. It is a very sorry and sad state of affairs and I don’t like it one bit!

[Ridge Runner]

not just in this case, which is a sad one, i have felt muslims of arab descent and/or muslim converts should be barred from being able to join the UNITED STATES armed forces. they all go rotten at some point. it may not be immediate. it's only a question of when they will, and act upon allah almighty's will. feck islam!

the army is also pretty jacked up, too. i'm still quite pissed off at that branch for the whole pat tillman debacle.


The part that I highlighted in red is the ONLY part of your post that I feel is wrong. I don't think that ALL of them are bad. Just by the numbers there has been only a small % of problems compared to the total numbers. This is just my opinion and you are free to express yours as long as it does not involve racial slurs ( as some one above tried to insert just to cause problems for those that truly want to debate the topic ). I'll leave it to the other posters to correct each other where they might see things in a different light. All I ask is that you guys do it in a respectful manner and "try" to follow the rules. :thumbsup:

[Glad Hand]

"this" is the kind of ignorant racist remark that got this thread locked the first time.

Curious…if I make the statement that everywhere in the world where Muslims have immigrated to non-Islamic countries in mass without exception they have refused to assimilate and integrate, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that everywhere Muslims have immigrated to the non-Islamic world in mass those countries soon became the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that in non-Islamic countries where Muslims have not yet immigrated to in mass those countries have not become the victim yet of Islamic terror attacks, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that in every Islamic country in the world, all 57 of them if you consider the disputed territories in Israel to be an Islamic state, without exception non-Muslim dhimmis that are unfortunate enough to be stuck living in an Islamic state, as a rule are always horribly discriminated against and harshly oppressed, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If you believe that Islam is a harmless and peaceful religion similar to other religions then by all means please demonstrate it. For instance, can you point to just one single instance of war (jihad) when an Islamic state or entity fought against each other or against non-Islamic kafirs when the Muslims fighting didn’t resort to emulating their Prophet Muhammad by employing the tactics of total warfare, that is by resorting to using their own brethren as human shields, their own children as soldiers (jihadis), the targeting of innocent women, children, and the elderly non-combatants, and by always resorting to terrorism while at the same time they accuse their enemies of being terrorists? Not to mention, if you can only point to one single incident, what does it say about all the other incidents?

The reality is Muslims never willingly adhere to western law, international law, or otherwise. They only adhere to Islamic Sharia law because to do otherwise would be blasphemy, and blasphemy like apostasy in Islam is punishable by death.

Thus, if I ask you other than honor killings, genital mutilation, oppression of gays, institutionalized oppression of women and non-Muslim dhimmis, institutionalized prejudice against all non-Muslim dhimmis and kafirs, extreme bigotry against Jews and other non-Muslims, riots against Israel, rampant anti-Semitism, worldwide riots against Muhammad cartoons, riots and condemnation against any and all criticism of Islam, legitimate or otherwise, Islamic supremacism, refusal to assimilate and integrate, backwardness, barbarianism, intimidation, constant demands for Islamic Sharia Law, subversion to remove all obstacles to the eventual imposition of Islamic Sharia Law, incessant claims of victimhood, false, fake, and non-existent claims of discrimination, exploitation of our freedoms and laws for the purpose of subverting us and using those laws against us, threats of terrorism, and Islamic terrorist attacks, what do Muslims have to contribute to America that makes all their excess baggage worth it? Could you answer that question and at the same time prove that that question is racist even though it is all demonstrably true and therefore constitutes legitimate criticism?

[Ridge Runner]

Curious…if I make the statement that everywhere in the world where Muslims have immigrated to non-Islamic countries in mass without exception they have refused to assimilate and integrate, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that everywhere Muslims have immigrated to the non-Islamic world in mass those countries soon became the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that in non-Islamic countries where Muslims have not yet immigrated to in mass those countries have not become the victim yet of Islamic terror attacks, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that in every Islamic country in the world, all 58 of them if you consider the disputed territories in Israel to be an Islamic state, without exception non-Muslim dhimmis that are unfortunate enough to be stuck living in an Islamic state, as a rule are always horribly discriminated against and harshly oppressed, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If you believe that Islam is a harmless and peaceful religion similar to other religions then by all means please demonstrate it. For instance, can you point to just one single instance of war (jihad) when an Islamic state or entity fought against each other or against non-Islamic kafirs when the Muslims fighting didn’t resort to emulating their Prophet Muhammad by employing the tactics of total warfare, that is by resorting to using their own brethren as human shields, their own children as soldiers (jihadis), the targeting of innocent women, children, and the elderly non-combatants, and by always resorting to terrorism while at the same time they accuse their enemies of being terrorists? Not to mention, if you can only point to one single incident, what does it say about all the other incidents?

The reality is Muslims never willingly adhere to western law, international law, or otherwise. They only adhere to Islamic Sharia law because to do otherwise would be blasphemy, and blasphemy like apostasy in Islam is punishable by death.

Thus, if I ask you other than honor killings, genital mutilation, oppression of gays, institutionalized oppression of women and non-Muslim dhimmis, institutionalized prejudice against all non-Muslim dhimmis and kafirs, extreme bigotry against Jews and other non-Muslims, riots against Israel, rampant anti-Semitism, worldwide riots against Muhammad cartoons, riots and condemnation against any and all criticism of Islam, legitimate or otherwise, Islamic supremacism, refusal to assimilate and integrate, backwardness, barbarianism, intimidation, constant demands for Islamic Sharia Law, subversion to remove all obstacles to the eventual imposition of Islamic Sharia Law, incessant claims of victimhood, false, fake, and non-existent claims of discrimination, exploitation of our freedoms and laws for the purpose of subverting us and using those laws against us, threats of terrorism, and Islamic terrorist attacks, what do Muslims have to contribute to America that makes all their excess baggage worth it? Could you answer that question and at the same time prove that that question is racist even though it is all demonstrably true and therefore constitutes legitimate criticism?

Can you provide the source where you got these "facts"? I'm not saying they are not in fact "fact", but please provide the resource to back up your statements. I'm not picking on you here and your post is not over the line IMHO. I am saying don't be surprised if you get called out on your statements. Be prepared to back them up with something other than just your opinion. I'm sure there are others here that would love the chance to pick apart your post. As long as it is done without personal attacks, racial slurs and such....... feel free to debate it among yourselves. :thumbsup:

Honest, respectful, free debate....... what a concept!


Ridge

[Glad Hand]

Can you provide the source where you got these "facts"? I'm not saying they are not in fact "fact", but please provide the resource to back up your statements. I'm not picking on you here and your post is not over the line IMHO.

Source? My sources consist of the thousands of articles, research papers, and more than a hundred books that I have read regarding Islam, Muslims, and the history of Islam since 9/11/2001. I follow anything and everything having to do with Islam and Muslims very closely and everything I have mentioned above is true and thereby contitutes legitimate criticism, unless you think you can prove anything I said above isn’t true or is exaggerated. Good luck?

Thus, you see I am not a racist in any way since my criticisms are all based on reality, are all true, and are therefore legitimate, unless you have a problem with legitimate criticism and the exercise of freedom of speech thereof and in which political correct multiculturalism, which has afflicted our society like the Bubonic Plague afflicted the world in the Dark Ages, attempts to severely limit.

Nevertheless, there is a worldwide campaign led by the Saudi sponsored Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) which is making a very concerted and well financed attempt to silence any and all criticism of Islam legitimate or otherwise, and in this campaign they are using our own laws and freedoms very effectively against us.

I'm sure there are others here that would love the chance to pick apart your post.

If you or anyone else for that matter think you can “pick apart my post” then by all mean make my day. There would be nothing I would enjoy more than proving you or anyone else wrong.

As long as it is done without personal attacks, racial slurs and such....... feel free to debate it among yourselves.

No problem although I can operate either way since I’m very thick skinned and excel at giving back much better than I receive. :thumbsup:

[golfhobo]

Glad Hand:

I don't have time to check your "facts," and I'm not here to debate the Muslim existence. The simple answer to your main group of questions is... no. Assuming your statements are true and correct, or even that you THINK they are, the nature of your statement is not IMHO considered to be "racist."

[Twilight Flyer]

Assuming your statements are true and correct, or even that you THINK they are, the nature of your statement is not IMHO considered to be "racist."

Hobo is correct and I agree with him.

Gladhand’s statements might not be politically correct and may even be considered narrow-minded, but they are not racist.

People are entitled to opinions, even if we/you do not agree with them.

[Glad Hand]

Fair enough.

[golfhobo]

However Golf why are they refusing to discuss the last case of a Muslim going NUTS. In 2003 a 101st Sargent throwing Gernades into tents in Kuwaitt and killing multiple Officers. Fox brought that up and so far has been the only one to do so.

Yes, I heard this claim made on Fox. However, the difference between you and me is that I don't blindly believe everything said on Fox.

[Glad Hand]

Gladhand’s statements might not be politically correct and may even be considered narrow-minded, but they are not racist.

I agree with your assessment, however, I fail to see how it could be considered narrow-minded as long as it is the truth, unless it is the dissemination of the truth that you consider to be narrow-minded, and in that case I do not agree. Moreover, it is not my fault if the truth is not pretty or politically correct, as the truth is the truth.

[Glad Hand]

Yes, I heard this claim made on Fox. However, the difference between you and me is that I don't blindly believe everything said on Fox.

Claim? It’s not a claim. I remember the incident very well. A convert to Islam was staged with the troops in Kuwait just days before the initial invasion. Very conflicted with maybe having to kill fellow Muslims in the ensuing invasion he did what most devout Muslims in that situation would do, he attacked the non-Muslim kafirs in his midst, and in his case he waited until 14 of his superiors were convened in a tent for a planning session, he lifted to bottom of the tent up, and rolled a live grenade into the tent which then detonated killing and maiming many of those attending that meeting. That Muslim was subsequently convicted of his crime.

By the way, it was also reported not only by Fox News, but also by every new organization in the USA.

[golfhobo]

Claim? It’s not a claim. I remember the incident very well. A convert to Islam was staged with the troops in Kuwait just days before the initial invasion. Very conflicted with maybe having to kill fellow Muslims in the ensuing invasion he did what most devout Muslims in that situation would do, he attacked the non-Muslim kafirs in his midst, and in his case he waited until 14 of his superiors were convened in a tent for a planning session, he lifted to bottom of the tent up, and rolled a live grenade into the tent which then detonated killing and maiming many of those attending that meeting. That Muslim was subsequently convicted of his crime.

By the way, it was also reported not only by Fox News, but also by every new organization in the USA.

Pay attention to the parts I highlight when responding to posts. I was addressing Ironeagle's "claim" that ONLY Fox had brought up the event you are talking about. O'Reilly and Hannity LOVE to claim that they are the only ones covering certain angles of stories, but they lie. CNN has mentioned the earlier case as well. They just aren't centering their coverage of this incident around it's relationship to past events.

Ironeagle was repeating almost verbatim the "talking points" made by Fox personalities in their effort to sound more important and patriotic than the so-called MSM.

Hope that clears the air for us.

[BigDiesel]

Looks like things have changed here...... All of this drama over a ( I guess you didn't get the part about use of such language ) murdering 13 innocent people........

Or did you think Rev's little rant about no moderation on the board was a new standard? Try to pull that crap again and you WILL be out on your ass ASAP.

Classy......:roll:

[geeshock]

Although I do not believe all Muslims are terrorist threats I do believe the seed is there. Any country helping Israel is viewed as a threat. Might be a narrow view but if you think about it ...

the greatest population of Muslim and Islamic nations are in the middle east
since the politics of the region generally dictate the peoples point of view I see many of thees countries burning American flags as well as Israeli flags. I think that's a good sign they don't like us very much
most terrorist attacks are Muslim/Islamic in nature

On top of these quick notes I have read many books written by ppl who have converted from Islam and Muslim, they all have the same intolerance for non-Muslims and the same msg. First the Jew, then the christian. A truly Muslim POV has extreme intolerance for anything non-Muslim. I'm not backing over zealot Christians ether even though I classify myself as a christian Jew. The Spanish inquisition, many holy wars, the conflicts in Europe, and even the hulicost was partly the responsibility of ppl that calmed they were doing this for their christian reasons.

I guess my point of this post, other than to point out my views based on the facts I have gathered is that if they knew he was Muslim, it should have flagged him. As much as we like our democracy, the military is anything but. The day the military tries to be if the day it fails.

[TimberWolf]

By nature any type of organized religion divides and seperates from others who do not belong to their tribe (so to speak) That is why IMHO I think religion is a farce... My creator did not set out to seperate humanity or dictate whom to take as your savior. My creator's ideal dream was one world, one life & good hearted souls..

IMAGINE----What the world could accomplish with this type of mind set...


Timberwolf

[geeshock]

actually I can agree with you for the most part, we all have differences in how we see things. I might try and argue my points but in the end I'm not going to beat you up becuse you don't see things exactly my way.

[Glad Hand]

By nature any type of organized religion divides and seperates from others who do not belong to their tribe (so to speak) That is why IMHO I think religion is a farce... My creator did not set out to seperate humanity or dictate whom to take as your savior. My creator's ideal dream was one world, one life & good hearted souls..

IMAGINE----What the world could accomplish with this type of mind set...


Timberwolf

If anyone studies in depth what Islam really is, they wouldn’t equate it like you just did with being a religion like any of the other religions. Although Muslims claim Islam is a religion, it is more similar to Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and other totalitarian mind control ideologies but it incorporate some religious aspects to compel its adherents to be more devout, loyal, and fervent to its ideology. As a matter of fact, it would be far more accurate to classify and consider Islam as being a cult and especially a death cult since it inculcates its adherents to love death more than they love life.

You see the word Islam in Arabic means to submit and in Islam all adherents are required to submit to the will of Allah at the same time that they must also surrender their own free will. Thus, a Muslim is forbidden from exercising his or her own free will, as exercising one’s freedom of conscience is considered to be blasphemous.

Therefore, a Muslim who exercises his or her own freedom of conscience to apostatize from Islam, for instance, is supposed to be executed. Or a Muslim who exercises his or her own freedom of conscience to question the words in the Koran, which is considered to be the immutable and uncreated will of Allah as delivered by Muhammad, Allah’s final messenger, is considered to be blasphemous, and is also an executable offense. However, in both circumstances a Muslim must be given the opportunity first to repent and then if they refuse, they will be executed.

However, curiously and very revealingly to outsiders there is one exception to this rule. If a Muslim blasphemies Muhammad, the holy prophet, as opposed to blaspheming Allah (God), he or she doesn’t get their one chance to repent and is to be executed without exception.

Thus, if Muslims blasphemy the holy prophet Muhammad as opposed to Allah (God) the punishment curiously is more severe, which you would think should be a dead give away to Muslims, but apparently the impulse to be a slave to Allah is so strong that Muslims never question it.

In any event, the worldwide Muslim riots over the Muhammad cartoons were a clear illustration of this curious aspect of Islam, as Muhammad is the uswa hasana, the perfect model and excellent example for emulation, and the main problem with this aspect of Islam is that Muhammad was completely obsessed with killing or subjugating non-Muslim kafirs.

Hence, with all due respect your attempt to morally equate Islam with other religions and denominations with those acts of Islamic terrorism that took place at Fort Hood with the adherents of those other religions and denominations is not only exceedingly lame but it is also ludicrous as well. As it is primarily only Muslims exclusively that are using their religious texts and tenants to justify their many thousands of acts of Islamic terrorism taking place not only over here in America but also all around the world. Therefore, your attempt to use the acts of that Islamic terrorist at Fort Hood to denigrate and condemn all religions I’m sorry is not applicable or valid with all due respect.

In any case, even after almost a week since the Fort Hood atrocity occurred it appears that the powers that be are still trying there best to attribute these acts of Islamic terrorism to anything and everything else but what it really was, at the same time that they are also far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than ensuring that something like this tragedy never happens again. Thus, we can expect more Islamic terrorist attacks inside this country to occur in the future as we move forward.

I mean it’s clear that General Casey, the army chief of staff, couldn’t be more of a blind politically correct moonbat, and it is very sad to see that our military, like every other institution in America also, has now been fully hijacked and co-opted by the left. Lord help us all!

[TimberWolf]

Glad Hand,
One can look at Christianity the same way, their goal is to make you more devout, loyal, believe, faithful, and so on, all religions have this same goal.. In the past they have all used violence to get what they want.
Judism believes a wife should be submissive as does Christianity, now granted in this day and age some have relaxed on those beliefs but none the less they are still practiced by many across the world so I have to disagree with you Islam is a religion..

I am not educated in islam nor do I care to waste my free time looking into it as, "it is what it is" and life is to short to worry about others that you have no control over. We will never ever be able to completely control the terrorist activity that occurs in our world on a daily basis and has for many centuries, in one form or another.
My educational background is in hospitality services so we really did not delve into the teachings of the worlds religious beliefs or backgrounds, however I kind of have to think that since Islam has been around since the 6th century it can not be ruled as fascism ,nazism, or any other type of ism for that matter. The word fascism has not even been around for a hundred years.

Just like every other religion you have different sects, Liberals, in betweeners and fundelmentalist wackos. The terriorist being part of the wacko group, they are no different then the Westboro Baptist Church minus the violence. However one can argue that Westboro preaches violence and condones it as well. You can argue you're points to me until you are blue in the face I won't care. Islam is a religion and has been since the 6th century long before anyone coined the words fascism, nazism, or communism.

I disagree with the docterine of their core beliefs just as I do Catholics, Christians, or any other type of organized religion. Seperation of the human race has lead to the decline of humanity and at some point could lead to the decline of our world all together.

Just for the record please show me where I referenced Fort Hood in my post or anything concerning the attack there, as the way I read my post it has nothing to do with what happend at Fort Hood and everything to do with religion. A Blanket Statement concerning religion. So using the same philosophy you used to interept my post I could surmise from you're post that you would be very happy if the United States completely wiped out the entire population of Isalm regardless of their sects?, Just exterminate them all; is that your stance? I just want to make sure before I have to comment on the simalarities of you're beliefs and Hitler's beliefs.
The lord wont help us, it is up to us as humans to help ourselves and to make the right choices in life.

Timberwolf



Timberwolf

[Glad Hand]

Glad Hand,
One can look at Christianity the same way, their goal is to make you more devout, loyal, believe, faithful, and so on, all religions have this same goal.. In the past they have all used violence to get what they want.

Very apparently you are obviously as ignorant of Christianity as you are of Islam. I’m sorry but your miserable attempt to denigrate all religions for of the acts of Islamic jihadists is about as idiotic and unhinged as it gets.

It’s very obvious to me that like the most fervent in your face bible thumpers, your fanatical leftwing zealotry for secularism is equally as fanatical and obsessive when it comes to attacking and the denigration of all things Christianity in response to attacks that were perpetrated by Muslims.

Not to mention that your reflexive reaction to demonize and vilify Christianity at the mere hint of Islam is classic trademark fanatical leftwing secularist behavior. Indeed, the more the Muslims commit acts of Islamic terrorism around the world, the more you fanatical leftwing secularist bible demonizers pillory and denigrate Christianity and Christians.

I for one would like to know how it is all you leftwing secularists can all be inculcated and pre programmed so effectively as to perfectly conform and respond all together like mind-numbed robots in perfect three part harmony that way. It’s a very hilarious phenomenon, but at the same time a very ubiquitous one.

Just like every other religion you have different sects, Liberals, in betweeners and fundelmentalist wackos.

I never said or even suggested that Islam is monolithic. In fact there is much diversity within and among the various sects of Islam. However in Islam there are four major schools of Islamic jurisprudence that together hold sway over all of the various divisions and sects within Islam and on the imperative to make the world sovereign for Allah via the imposition of Sharia, all of those four major schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in perfect unison and unequivocally agree.

Not to mention that all your idiotic assumptions with respect to fundamentalism, fanatics,
wackos, liberals, in betweeners, etc with regard to Islam and Muslims are ludicrous but hilarious at the same time, and only dedicated fanatical leftwing secularists obsessively insist on morally equating Islam with Christianity because of the compulsive obsessive hatred of Christianity that all you leftwing fanatics have been indoctrinated with.

I disagree with the docterine of their core beliefs just as I do Catholics, Christians, or any other type of organized religion.

Really? For the record, you have no clue what the core beliefs of Islam are! Nevertheless, for the left Islam is just a convenient excuse used to attack, vilify, and demonize all Christians and Christianity like mind-numbed robots. Yet, if anyone so much as criticizes Islam, whether that criticism is legitimate or not, hand in hand together with your Muslim brethren in arms the left immediately pounces on those criticizing Islam as being intolerant Islamophobes, bigots, or worse. Meanwhile, it’s open season for you fanatical leftwing secularists when it comes to vilifying and demonizing Israel, Judaism, and especially Christianity.

Anyway, the Fort Hood Islamic terrorist attack had nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity, yet you compulsively pounced on it reflexively to launch an attack front and center on Christianity. Thanks for demonstrating exactly how it is all you fanatical leftwing secularists have all been inculcated and preprogrammed to react like mind numbed robots.

Seperation of the human race has lead to the decline of humanity and at some point could lead to the decline of our world all together.

Yet like any and all leftwing secularists you fully embrace political correct multiculturalism and celebrate cultural diversity, which are both forms of cultural communism with the entire purpose being to hideously divide, balkanize, and ultimately destroy our society from within.

Just for the record please show me where I referenced Fort Hood in my post or anything concerning the attack there,

For the record you insinuated it. It was in a thread ostensibly about the attack that took place at Fort Hood and you used the occasion and your post as an opportunity to launch an obsessive and compulsive attack against Christianity like all you fanatical leftwing secularists have been inculcated and preprogrammed instinctively to react. It was hilarious, but very classic!

I could surmise from you're post that you would be very happy if the United States completely wiped out the entire population of Isalm regardless of their sects? Just exterminate them all; is that your stance? I just want to make sure before I have to comment on the simalarities of you're beliefs and Hitler's beliefs.

By the way it is your post and not you're post. Anyway, you would surmise that but then again you would be wrong as always. I actually believe a policy of containment and separation from the Dar al Islam is a much better course of action to pursue.

Nevertheless, I didn’t resort to insinuating you are like Mao or Stalin like you did with me regarding Hitler, who was a leftist, by the way, but indeed I could have. Nonetheless, I would still like to know what exactly is contained in that post of mind that could remotely be considered Hitler like?

[jonp]

Hobo is correct and I agree with him.

Gladhand’s statements might not be politically correct and may even be considered narrow-minded, but they are not racist.

People are entitled to opinions, even if we/you do not agree with them.

Gladhands statements are not "opinions" they are facts. People are going to continue to whistle past the graveyard until the mushroom cloud.

[jonp]

Glad Hand,
One can look at Christianity the same way, their goal is to make you more devout, loyal, believe, faithful, and so on, all religions have this same goal.. In the past they have all used violence to get what they want.
Judism believes a wife should be submissive as does Christianity, now granted in this day and age some have relaxed on those beliefs but none the less they are still practiced by many across the world so I have to disagree with you Islam is a religion..

I am not educated in islam nor do I care to waste my free time looking into it as, "it is what it is" and life is to short to worry about others that you have no control over. We will never ever be able to completely control the terrorist activity that occurs in our world on a daily basis and has for many centuries, in one form or another.
My educational background is in hospitality services so we really did not delve into the teachings of the worlds religious beliefs or backgrounds, however I kind of have to think that since Islam has been around since the 6th century it can not be ruled as fascism ,nazism, or any other type of ism for that matter. The word fascism has not even been around for a hundred years.

Just like every other religion you have different sects, Liberals, in betweeners and fundelmentalist wackos. The terriorist being part of the wacko group, they are no different then the Westboro Baptist Church minus the violence. However one can argue that Westboro preaches violence and condones it as well. You can argue you're points to me until you are blue in the face I won't care. Islam is a religion and has been since the 6th century long before anyone coined the words fascism, nazism, or communism.

I disagree with the docterine of their core beliefs just as I do Catholics, Christians, or any other type of organized religion. Seperation of the human race has lead to the decline of humanity and at some point could lead to the decline of our world all together.

Just for the record please show me where I referenced Fort Hood in my post or anything concerning the attack there, as the way I read my post it has nothing to do with what happend at Fort Hood and everything to do with religion. A Blanket Statement concerning religion. So using the same philosophy you used to interept my post I could surmise from you're post that you would be very happy if the United States completely wiped out the entire population of Isalm regardless of their sects?, Just exterminate them all; is that your stance? I just want to make sure before I have to comment on the simalarities of you're beliefs and Hitler's beliefs.
The lord wont help us, it is up to us as humans to help ourselves and to make the right choices in life.

Timberwolf



Timberwolf

"it is what it is" is a nice sentiment. That is until the Islama-Fascists chop your head off or blow you up for not converting and getting on your knees 7 times a day.

[Roadhog]

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[ironeagle_2006]

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Very true Roadhog.

I remember hearing this somewhere. IIRC it was on one of the News shows. Not every Muslim is a Jihadist HOWEVER EVERY JIHADiST IS A MUSLIM.

Remember this everyone who declared a holy war on their own religion in the 80's Iran did against Iraq over OIL. Then Al-Queadadid the same to us when they attacked us yet the DUMMYCRATS in Washington refuse to admit that we need to attack harder than we are.

Hearts and minds will never work against a religion called go in there release everything we have in the arsenal up to WMD's and let the world know if we are attacked again THOSE COME OUT. Let the radicals know that if they attack us again in any way the next target would be MECCA and if it came to it WIPE THAT FREAKING CITY OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH WITH A EITHER A PEACEKEEPER OR A TRIDENT MISSLE. Then let them know the next attack would result in Medina getting the same treatment as Mecca. If they still refused to get the freaking message we then wipe the Mound of the Rock OFF. Sooner or later they would get the message that we are NOT SCREWING AROUND.

HELL EVEN THE JAPANESE GOT THE MESSAGE AFTER SEEING HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI GROW A MUSHROOM CLOUD. AT LEAST THE EMPORER DID AND ORDERED THE SURRENDER.

[Flatbed]

Interesting discussion so far, and one that makes me shake my head in amazement at some of the information posted as fact.

Y'all do know, Islam and Muslim are not the same thing, right?

Oh, and another term for you... Islamism ... which is different from both Muslim and Islam.

Everyone tries to place all these groups in the same basket and ignore the fact that they are all very distinctly different in not only their beliefs, but their actions.

Glad Hand, you have done a lot of reading, that's obvious from your posts. You need to read more though, to widen your topic list away from the books and references that seek to vilify everyone who follows the teachings of Muhammad.

For anyone with an open mind, here is a reference about what the religion really is .. from a reliable source:

Islam (http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/religion/Islam-Website/history.html)

I am a christian btw, I am just tired of seeing so many people demonize an entire group of people just because their religion has been corrupted by a few radicals.

[DaveP]

Interesting discussion so far, and one that makes me shake my head in amazement at some of the information posted as fact.

Y'all do know, Islam and Muslim are not the same thing, right?

Oh, and another term for you... Islamism ... which is different from both Muslim and Islam.

Everyone tries to place all these groups in the same basket and ignore the fact that they are all very distinctly different in not only their beliefs, but their actions.

Glad Hand, you have done a lot of reading, that's obvious from your posts. You need to read more though, to widen your topic list away from the books and references that seek to vilify everyone who follows the teachings of Muhammad.

For anyone with an open mind, here is a reference about what the religion really is .. from a reliable source:

Islam (http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/religion/Islam-Website/history.html)

I am a christian btw, I am just tired of seeing so many people demonize an entire group of people just because their religion has been corrupted by a few radicals.

YOU are the one who should RE-read that webpage.

They are different things...not different groups.

A Muslim (person) is an adherant (read: FOLLOWER) of Islam (the religion)...

[RostyC]

I'll wait for trail, you know, the justice system. I don't believe a hoot of what I hear, either side.
Then I'll decide.

Or.............. we could round up all Muslims and put them in camps, gas em, or bake em, shoot em and their children oh wait......... that's been done before, how'd that turn out?

[Roadhog]

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[Mackman]

Or.............. we could round up all Muslims and put them in camps, gas em, or bake em, shoot em and their children

Sounds good to me. I will go out and start rounding them up. I will be over in little with the 1st load Rosty. :thumbsup:

[TimberWolf]

Gladhand keep living in your world as I want no part of it. It is a world of fear a world that lacks trust, a sad world in my opinion as with my other post this is just my opinion so please think real hard as to how you would like to belittle my thoughts as ludicris and outragous, oh and lets not forget that real nasty word Liberal leftwing. Once again life is to short to worry and I don't need anymore grey hairs, none of this will be solved in our lifetimes. You can pick apart my post all you like as I can do to yours it will still not solve anything, kind of like the democrats and republicans. Just for the record I am so far from being a liberal I even have a CWP and I belong the the NRA. In fact I have for many years on this board used the term dysenfranchised. I couldnt care less about politics or religion they are of no consequence to me they are filled with hypocrites and liars so why bother. My it is what it is attitude comes from years of watching this country fall apart because everyone thinks they are right and feel the need to push their agendas on everyone else. That goes from watching numerous religious leaders talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, it comes from watching numerous politicians talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, it comes from the general freedoms we have as a country that we use and abuse on a daily basis we take for granted. IT IS WHAT IT IS... I quit playing a long time ago, I use this board as a way to express some of my opinions fulling understanding that there will be people such as yourself who disagree with me. SO???? ask me if it has any effect on my daily living? what's done is done and if the day comes that Islam takes over the USA (highly doubtful) but if it does then I will take that road when it comes to me, in the mean time I choose to live for my family, I choose not to live in fear and distrust of my fellow humans, I choose so many things that can be construed as right wing and left wing so I guess that makes me a intween wing. I refuse to live in fear of others, you and the other right wing fanaticals have that handled just fine, by the way thank you for that as all that stress from worry and hate would most likely cause me to have a heart attack or stroke, not worth the effort..
Have a nice day...

Timberwolf

[GMAN]

It seems to me as though the only groups or people that have attacked U.S. citizens have been Muslims. Of course, we can't profile these people because it isn't politically correct. It is much better to target granny from Des Moines sitting in a wheel chair. We can't hurt anyones feelings. Being politically correct is killing this country. It throws common sense out the window. These "Muslims" have declared war on the west, especially the U.S. Frankly, I am surprised that we have not had more attacks on our citizens by these nut cases. When we have been at war there have been those who have been targeted and watched in order to protect the citizenry. Those who have attacked our citizens have associated themselves with Islam. That is something that some seem to over look. Had they not specifically stated at some point that they were attacking our citizens in the name of "Allah" or "Islam", then I don't think we would be having this discussion. When Timothy McVay blew up the building in Oklahoma he never stated that he was doing it in the name of Christianity. In fact, I don't recall that his religion or lack thereof was ever mentioned. I think that until Muslim leaders begin to critize these people and their actions we will see more people who believe that it is the entire Muslim community who supports these actions. Perhaps they do. The silence is deafening.

[Twilight Flyer]

Frankly, I am surprised that we have not had more attacks on our citizens by these nut cases.

Well, with the type of people that are running the government these days, better get ready for a healthy dose of it.

Still, I don’t know what we’re all worried about. The world is going to end in 2012…the Mayan’s said so. I’m off to the movie theatre tomorrow to watch the documentary on what it’s going to look like. :thumbsup:

[Glad Hand]

Gladhand keep living in your world as I want no part of it. It is a world of fear a world that lacks trust, a sad world in my opinion as with my other post this is just my opinion so please think real hard as to how you would like to belittle my thoughts as ludicris and outragous, oh and lets not forget that real nasty word Liberal leftwing. Once again life is to short to worry and I don't need anymore grey hairs, none of this will be solved in our lifetimes. You can pick apart my post all you like as I can do to yours it will still not solve anything, kind of like the democrats and republicans. Just for the record I am so far from being a liberal I even have a CWP and I belong the the NRA. In fact I have for many years on this board used the term dysenfranchised. I couldnt care less about politics or religion they are of no consequence to me they are filled with hypocrites and liars so why bother. My it is what it is attitude comes from years of watching this country fall apart because everyone thinks they are right and feel the need to push their agendas on everyone else. That goes from watching numerous religious leaders talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, it comes from watching numerous politicians talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, it comes from the general freedoms we have as a country that we use and abuse on a daily basis we take for granted. IT IS WHAT IT IS... I quit playing a long time ago, I use this board as a way to express some of my opinions fulling understanding that there will be people such as yourself who disagree with me. SO???? ask me if it has any effect on my daily living? what's done is done and if the day comes that Islam takes over the USA (highly doubtful) but if it does then I will take that road when it comes to me, in the mean time I choose to live for my family, I choose not to live in fear and distrust of my fellow humans, I choose so many things that can be construed as right wing and left wing so I guess that makes me a intween wing. I refuse to live in fear of others, you and the other right wing fanaticals have that handled just fine, by the way thank you for that as all that stress from worry and hate would most likely cause me to have a heart attack or stroke, not worth the effort..
Have a nice day...

Timberwolf

I have no fear whatsoever and it’s not fear that motivates or drives me. However, I abhor ignorance, especially the kind of ignorance that fosters and leads to 9/11 terrorist attacks, to the Fort Hood terrorist attack, and to the endless other Islamic terrorist attacks that have taken place in the USA and around the world and that are still taking place around the world every day exactly because of self-hating PC multicultural enablers like you that are addicted to cultural relativism.

I have no doubt that politically correct Muslim apologist like you believe that I’m intolerant, an Islamophobe, and a bigoted ignoramus. Nevertheless, I have forgotten more about Islam, Muslims, and Islamic history than you will ever come close to knowing.

Thus, unlike you I’m not blinded by political correct multiculturalism and blind allegiance to cultural relarivism. Therefore, when I see Muslims that have migrated out of the Dar al Islam (domain of Islam) and into the Dar al Harb (domain of unbelief) without exception no matter where it is in the world refusing to assimilate and integrate, I don’t blindly ignore it. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that in every Muslim country in the world where dhimmi non-Muslims are unfortunate enough to live in the Dar al Islam, those dhimmi non-Muslims again without exception are always institutionally discriminated against, often killed, and horribly oppressed by Muslims. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that wherever it is in the world where the Dar al Islam borders the Dar al Harb, there is rampant terrorism, endless violence, extensive bloodshed, and genocide taking place that is instigated by Muslims. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that in every country in the world that has enabled Muslims to immigrate, those countries again without exception have become the victims of incessant Islamic terrorist attacks and have been forced to double and triple their homeland security budgets just to accommodate Muslims and their excess baggage. Unlike you I don’t turn my head and deny the obvious reality because unlike you I’m not addicted to cultural relativism.

It is people like you and your ilk that foster and enable Islamic terrorist attacks to occur all around the world because of your blind allegiance to cultural relativism. Not to mention that Fort Hood will not be the last Islamic terrorist attack that will take place in this country because people like you are far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than you are about stopping and preventing future Islamic terrorist attacks, and it is people like you in this country that is preventing any real debate from taking place about Islam and Muslims.

With respect to your idiotic claim to being apolitical, you are free to say and deny whatever you want, however, it is obvious to the rest of us that you are radically leftwing, especially since at the slightest hint of discussion of Islamic terrorism, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity since Christians are not perpetrating terrorist attacks all around the world and citing Bible passages to justify terrorist attacks, you go into instant rabid attack Christianity mode just exactly like all your fellow leftwing secularists like you have been indoctrinated and programmed to do.

In any event, in the end I have no doubt that it will be concluded that the perpetrator of the Islamic driven and motivated terrorist attack at Fort Hood will eventually be declared psychotic, a real debate and discussion about Islam and Muslims will be averted again, and the stage will be set for another Islamic terrorist attack to happen again sometime soon in the future.

[GMAN]

Well, with the type of people that are running the government these days, better get ready for a healthy dose of it.

Still, I don’t know what we’re all worried about. The world is going to end in 2012…the Mayan’s said so. I’m off to the movie theatre tomorrow to watch the documentary on what it’s going to look like. :thumbsup:



Unfortunately, I think you are correct with the current crop of politically correct ideologs we have in our government these days. They are setting the stage for 2012. Let me know how the world turns out in the movie. :D

[GMAN]

It is people like you and your ilk that foster and enable Islamic terrorist attacks to occur all around the world because of your blind allegiance to cultural relativism. Not to mention that Fort Hood will not be the last Islamic terrorist attack that will take place in this country because people like you are far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than you are about stopping and preventing future Islamic terrorist attacks, and it is people like you in this country that is preventing any real debate from taking place about Islam and Muslims.

In any event, in the end I have no doubt that it will be concluded that the perpetrator of the Islamic driven and motivated terrorist attack at Fort Hood will eventually be declared psychotic, a real debate and discussion about Islam and Muslims will be averted again, and the stage will be set for another Islamic terrorist attack to happen again sometime soon in the future.


Early reports that I heard had commentators stating the the perpetrator had a "Muslim sounding name." They were afraid to even mention that the guy was a Muslim. There are pockets of Muslims in this country who come here and want to stay apart from the rest of the country. The same could be said of others, such as the Hispanic community. As long as they stay apart it will be difficult to find common ground and to assimilutate. One problem we have with some immigrants who have come to this country in recent years is that they are not assimilating into our society. They want to keep their own society while enjoying the benefits of the U.S. I think that the more the media and politicians try to down play that this guy was a Muslim terrorist the more resentment and hatred will be fostered. You cannot solve any problem unless you are willing to confront it. If you want to come to the U.S. then you should be willing to learn the language and assimilate into our society. A common language can help bring people together.

[Glad Hand]

Interesting discussion so far, and one that makes me shake my head in amazement at some of the information posted as fact.

Y'all do know, Islam and Muslim are not the same thing, right?

Oh, and another term for you... Islamism ... which is different from both Muslim and Islam.

Everyone tries to place all these groups in the same basket and ignore the fact that they are all very distinctly different in not only their beliefs, but their actions.

Glad Hand, you have done a lot of reading, that's obvious from your posts. You need to read more though, to widen your topic list away from the books and references that seek to vilify everyone who follows the teachings of Muhammad.

For anyone with an open mind, here is a reference about what the religion really is .. from a reliable source:

Islam (http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/religion/Islam-Website/history.html)

I am a christian btw, I am just tired of seeing so many people demonize an entire group of people just because their religion has been corrupted by a few radicals.

You know Flatbed most people in the world like you totally misunderstand Islam and Muslims because of the useful idiot incompetents that have hijacked and co-opted our government. Indeed, people like you have been misled to believe that Islam means peace, that Islam is a religion of peace, and that Muslims can be divided into the so-called moderate camp and so-called radical fundamentalist extremist camp, with the latter trying to quote, unquote, “hijack the peaceful religion of Islam.”

Indeed, as for as you are concerned all Muslims are so-called moderate Muslims unless they have explosives visibly strapped to their bodies or are otherwise videotaped lopping off the heads of unfortunate kafir unbelievers while hollering Allahu Ackbar (God is great!) in emulation of Muhammad, the uswa hasana, the perfect Muslim and excellent example for emulation.

Amazing as it is, in order to deny reality you guys have actually bought into the idiotic and extremely racist notion that divides Muslims into two camps, the so-called moderates and the so-called radical fundamentalist extremists. Not to mention that in your world all Muslims are considered to be so-called moderate Muslims, until of course they aren’t. Imagine if the world divided Americans into moderate camps and radical fundamentalist extremist camps. We would all be hollering racism! Yet, somehow you all gullibly swallow this asinine and ridiculous absurdity without question.

Indeed, are there so-called moderate Chinese and so-called radical fundamentalist extremist Chinese? Nothing could be more absurd and ludicrous, yet millions of people around the world mindlessly buy and swallow this garbage lock, stock, and barrel every day without question and they couldn’t be more stupid for doing so.

Moreover, because of rampant ignorance most people today naively and mistakenly believe that the only thing we have to fear from Islam and Muslims is terrorism itself, which is a form of jihad. However, terrorism as a form of jihad employed by Muslims is the least ubiquitous and least effective form of jihad that the Muslims employ to further their cause, which is world domination. As a matter of fact, non-violent forms of jihad that are employed via stealth are actually employed far more often and far more effectively than terrorism ever is and presents a much greater threat to our continued existence than the employment of terrorism does.

For instance, thanks to stealth forms of jihad, the House of Saud and the Gulf States through the judicious use of the money weapon have hijacked and co-opted the Middle East Studies departments in our colleges and universities since in the ‘70s, and as a result since then only a white washed version of Islam is taught in our colleges and universities today, while students at the same time are also inculcated to hate Israel and Jews.

Another example of stealth jihad thanks to the use of the money weapon is our illustrious State Department is far more loyal to the interests of the House of Saud and the Gulf States than it is even to America, as pedaling influence is a very useful form of jihad that has been employed far more effectively than terrorism has ever been by the Dar al Islam to further their interests.

You know we often hear the admonition that not all Muslims are terrorists but virtually all terrorists are Muslims. Well, it is also true that ALL devout Muslims are also jihadists, while not all Muslims are terrorists. However, the vast overwhelming numbers of Muslims prefer to participate, take part, and pursue non-violent stealth forms of jihad, which for the most part operates completely underneath the public’s radar of scrutiny.

Indeed, the three forms of stealth jihad most often employed by Muslims the world over today would be demographic conquest, the use of the money weapon, and campaigns of Dawa. Thus, while because of ignorance most people are concerned almost exclusively about Islamic terrorism, I, on the other hand, am far more concerned by the stealth forms of jihad that are aggressively being pursued in this country and also around the world with impunity because of the extreme ignorance and naivety of Islam that is inherent in our society today thanks to the very effective employment of the money weapon that exploits and fosters this unawareness.

You see there is a reason that people today are far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than preventing terrorist attacks from occurring in the future and it is because of the judicious and very effective use of the money weapon form of stealth jihad that has been employed very successfully by the Dar al Islam. There is a reason that the alarm bells with respect to the Muslim major that perpetrated the Islamic motivated and driven terrorist attack at Fort Hood were all ignored. Again, it is because of the judicious and very effective use of the money weapon. There is also a reason that there is still no debate in this country about what Islam really is, and again it is because of the judicious and very effective use of the money weapon. Additionally, there is a reason that most people who step forth in order to try to educate people about the threat of Islam are dismissed as being Islamophobes and bigots today, and again it is because of the judicious and very effective use of the money weapon.

Therefore Flatbed, when you ask me to read material that intentionally white washes what Islam really is and that was paid for thanks to the money weapon, please forgive me if I take a pass since I’m not nearly as easily fooled or otherwise blindly addicted to cultural relativism as you are, and unlike you I thoroughly understand the threat to our continued existence that emanates from Islam.

[geeshock]

I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists but if they believe in Allah, they have the potential. We keep a close eye on the militias, even though not all are going to be another McVey. We should keep an eye on Muslims, especially the ones that believe in Islam. It might rase a few hairs but it is the truth.Wish I still had those books I read. Might be something online. The ppl in these books are from the middle east and formerly schooled in muslim/islamic ways. They are brought up to hate Israel and any one that supports them. These ppl have since converted to Christianity and are working hard to convert others. They state that most ppl who covert to muslem/islamic beliefs aren't violent like they are in the middle east but since the koran and the other religous writings that dictate their following are quite specific about non-islamic ppl and have such an intolerence there is a fine line between the passive convert and what we label as extreamists.

[TimberWolf]

I have no fear whatsoever and it’s not fear that motivates or drives me. However, I abhor ignorance, especially the kind of ignorance that fosters and leads to 9/11 terrorist attacks, to the Fort Hood terrorist attack, and to the endless other Islamic terrorist attacks that have taken place in the USA and around the world and that are still taking place around the world every day exactly because of self-hating PC multicultural enablers like you that are addicted to cultural relativism.

I have no doubt that politically correct Muslim apologist like you believe that I’m intolerant, an Islamophobe, and a bigoted ignoramus. Nevertheless, I have forgotten more about Islam, Muslims, and Islamic history than you will ever come close to knowing.

Thus, unlike you I’m not blinded by political correct multiculturalism and blind allegiance to cultural relarivism. Therefore, when I see Muslims that have migrated out of the Dar al Islam (domain of Islam) and into the Dar al Harb (domain of unbelief) without exception no matter where it is in the world refusing to assimilate and integrate, I don’t blindly ignore it. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that in every Muslim country in the world where dhimmi non-Muslims are unfortunate enough to live in the Dar al Islam, those dhimmi non-Muslims again without exception are always institutionally discriminated against, often killed, and horribly oppressed by Muslims. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that wherever it is in the world where the Dar al Islam borders the Dar al Harb, there is rampant terrorism, endless violence, extensive bloodshed, and genocide taking place that is instigated by Muslims. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that in every country in the world that has enabled Muslims to immigrate, those countries again without exception have become the victims of incessant Islamic terrorist attacks and have been forced to double and triple their homeland security budgets just to accommodate Muslims and their excess baggage. Unlike you I don’t turn my head and deny the obvious reality because unlike you I’m not addicted to cultural relativism.

It is people like you and your ilk that foster and enable Islamic terrorist attacks to occur all around the world because of your blind allegiance to cultural relativism. Not to mention that Fort Hood will not be the last Islamic terrorist attack that will take place in this country because people like you are far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than you are about stopping and preventing future Islamic terrorist attacks, and it is people like you in this country that is preventing any real debate from taking place about Islam and Muslims.

With respect to your idiotic claim to being apolitical, you are free to say and deny whatever you want, however, it is obvious to the rest of us that you are radically leftwing, especially since at the slightest hint of discussion of Islamic terrorism, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity since Christians are not perpetrating terrorist attacks all around the world and citing Bible passages to justify terrorist attacks, you go into instant rabid attack Christianity mode just exactly like all your fellow leftwing secularists like you have been indoctrinated and programmed to do.

In any event, in the end I have no doubt that it will be concluded that the perpetrator of the Islamic driven and motivated terrorist attack at Fort Hood will eventually be declared psychotic, a real debate and discussion about Islam and Muslims will be averted again, and the stage will be set for another Islamic terrorist attack to happen again sometime soon in the future.

Gladhand,
I am so amazed at how well you know me with out ever even holding any sort of real conversation with me other then interepting my words to fit your haterd. You have managed to interpret my post to fit what ever anger is in your heart and managed to do the stereo typical Christian Right Wing attack on persons who disagree with your beliefs. I am neither PC or aplogetic. I am just a man who lives for his family first nothing more nothing less. I have gone over my post a few times now and fail to see where I have apoligized for Islam let alone anything that may stand out and show I have enabled any one to do anything against our country. If it makes you feel superior to state such, have at it. Argueing with you is like having an arguement with a five year old minus your ability to use the English language you will never let up I find it funny that my words have got you so upset that you feel you need to respond with such vile hate. You are so far lost in what is going on in this world that it has control over your ability to hold a decent debate/conversation with others, you imediatley result to personal attacks. That has really got to suck for you to go through life with such vile hate towards others who do not see things your way. From the beginning of time every race, country, religion, etc has had something to fear, that is humanity, that is life, all I am doing is choosing not to let it control my daily living and for some reason that bothers you. Gladhand life is to short relax dude you are wound up way to tight.....

You say Christians do not create terriorist attacks then please explain to me what it is called when a christian puts a gun to a DR's Head and pulls the trigger because he performs abortions, That seems like some sort of terrorist activity to me, I am quite sure they ramble some sort of bible verse when they are doing such whether it be in their head or out loud. They are doing it in the name of religion just as islam states they are doing.
You say I have created a rabid attack in my post now that is truly funny your level of interpretation is skewed as none of my post are filled with haterd rants directed at you personaly as your's are to me. I simply stated my opinion on organized religion, and because you feel differently you imediatley attcked me and my beliefs. As far as my knowledge of islam or any other religion I think I have already clearly stated I have no desire to do such so please feel free to continue forgetting what ever you like as once again I couldnt care less.
My father spent 28 years of his life to our country 3 years in the navy and 25 years in the Army, retired as a Full bird and is a veteran of the South Pacific, South Korea and South Vietnam. I know first hand what our soldiers do for our country as I was there July 4th 1969 when my father left for Vietnam, I have personaly seen what war does to a human being and what the aftermath does to the families left behind, so don't try to paint me as some sort of none caring PC liberal you have no clue who I am or what I stand for, you mearly took a blanket statement concerning my opinions on organized religion that had nothing to do with the original post and used them to fuel your haterd for those who do not see things the same as you..

Relax.... it is just life, not meant to be taken so seriously.

Timberwolf

[Roadhog]

Still, I don’t know what we’re all worried about. The world is going to end in 2012…the Mayan’s said so. I’m off to the movie theatre tomorrow to watch the documentary on what it’s going to look like. :thumbsup:

From what I've heard... ONLY the Christian world was destroyed. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/loudlaugh.gif

[Glad Hand]

Gladhand,
I am so amazed at how well you know me with out ever even holding any sort of real conversation with me other then interepting my words to fit your haterd. You have managed to interpret my post to fit what ever anger is in your heart and managed to do the stereo typical Christian Right Wing attack on persons who disagree with your beliefs. I am neither PC or aplogetic. I am just a man who lives for his family first nothing more nothing less. I have gone over my post a few times now and fail to see where I have apoligized for Islam let alone anything that may stand out and show I have enabled any one to do anything against our country. If it makes you feel superior to state such, have at it. Argueing with you is like having an arguement with a five year old minus your ability to use the English language you will never let up I find it funny that my words have got you so upset that you feel you need to respond with such vile hate. You are so far lost in what is going on in this world that it has control over your ability to hold a decent debate/conversation with others, you imediatley result to personal attacks. That has really got to suck for you to go through life with such vile hate towards others who do not see things your way. From the beginning of time every race, country, religion, etc has had something to fear, that is humanity, that is life, all I am doing is choosing not to let it control my daily living and for some reason that bothers you. Gladhand life is to short relax dude you are wound up way to tight.....

You say Christians do not create terriorist attacks then please explain to me what it is called when a christian puts a gun to a DR's Head and pulls the trigger because he performs abortions, That seems like some sort of terrorist activity to me, I am quite sure they ramble some sort of bible verse when they are doing such whether it be in their head or out loud. They are doing it in the name of religion just as islam states they are doing.
You say I have created a rabid attack in my post now that is truly funny your level of interpretation is skewed as none of my post are filled with haterd rants directed at you personaly as your's are to me. I simply stated my opinion on organized religion, and because you feel differently you imediatley attcked me and my beliefs. As far as my knowledge of islam or any other religion I think I have already clearly stated I have no desire to do such so please feel free to continue forgetting what ever you like as once again I couldnt care less.
My father spent 28 years of his life to our country 3 years in the navy and 25 years in the Army, retired as a Full bird and is a veteran of the South Pacific, South Korea and South Vietnam. I know first hand what our soldiers do for our country as I was there July 4th 1969 when my father left for Vietnam, I have personaly seen what war does to a human being and what the aftermath does to the families left behind, so don't try to paint me as some sort of none caring PC liberal you have no clue who I am or what I stand for, you mearly took a blanket statement concerning my opinions on organized religion that had nothing to do with the original post and used them to fuel your haterd for those who do not see things the same as you..

Relax.... it is just life, not meant to be taken so seriously.

Timberwolf


You are utterly hilarious! First you try to deny the obvious that you are a PC leftwing fanatic and then accuse me of spewing hatred to prove that you are PC leftwing fanatic and also without proving or demonstrating one single thing that I said about Muslims is untrue and thus can remotely be construed as hate speech, unless you believe that legitimate criticism somehow constitutes hate speech. Which wouldn’t surprise me in the least since you are afflicted to the hilt with PC multiculturalism and cultural relativism.

Then immediately after you finish denying what you obviously are, you compulsively turn around and launch into another feeble attack against all Christians again, even though what happened at Fort Hood was perpetrated by a Muslim and has nothing whatsoever to do with Christians, and somehow you wonder how it is I can deduce that you are a fanatical leftwing radical. Isn’t it obvious?

Maybe it is because only totally indoctrinated leftwing radicals react compulsively by attacking Christianity at the first whiff that Muslims may have been involved in perpetrating another terrorist attack. It’s like a light switch has been flicked on or something with you guys, as all fanatical left-wingers for some reason reflexively go into instant attack Christianity mode just like clockwork and in perfect three-point harmony in order to apologize for Islamic terrorism and at the same time demonize and vilify Christians, as if it would somehow cover up the ugly reality of the Islamic driven and motivated terrorist attacks and make us all more safe. I would really love to learn the mind control techniques that the leftwing elites use with you kool-aid drinkers because it works so perfectly to inculcate so many minds like yours to react in perfect conformity.

Anyway, in launching your compulsive tirade against Christians again, you not only demonstrated one more time that your mind has been conditioned to react as such, but you have also demonstrated that you are as ignorant of Christianity as you are of Islam, and ignorance is the hallmark of leftism.

By the way, for the record I’m agnostic and have no horse in this race. Nice try though. Oh and there is a difference between fear and oblivious naivety to the extreme.

[Glad Hand]

Any of you ever wonder how a Muslim Imam would advise a Muslim that has joined a kafir infidel military? I’m betting some of you guys will find the following interesting.

"It may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these [Infidel] armies so as to learn their secrets"

In the wake of the Fort Hood jihad massacre, Muslim leaders in this country are preparing a fatwa on the permissibility of serving in the U.S. military. It is likely to differ from this one, but the answers from this site are on the whole more respected than anything that comes from Muslims in the West. Islam-QA is a very popular site for Muslims to get answers to questions they have, and the late Muhammad Uthaymeen is very respected as well -- even in the West.

"Military service in kaafir armies and working as a "chaplain" in those armies," from Islam QA.

What is the ruling on Muslims serving in the military of non muslim country ? What is the evidence for its permissibility or prohibition?
And lastly, what is the status of a Muslim working to help those in the military to fulfill their obligations to Allaah while serving in the Army, Navy, or whatever?

Praise be to Allaah

"Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds. Military matters are problematic, because they involve helping these kuffaar to wage war against the Muslims or those who have entered into a treaty with the Muslims. If no such thing is involved, it may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these armies so as to learn their secrets and be aware of their potential evil. In other words, if working in these armies could be of benefit, it may be permissible, otherwise it is not allowed."

On this basis, if a person works as a preacher or daa'iyah or imaam or muezzin, serving the Muslims and calling non-Muslims to Islam, then there is nothing wrong with this.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid


Then there's this:

It is not permissible for a Muslim to fight with kaafirs against the Muslims at all
I work in the army of a non-Muslim state, and there are wars between them and the Muslims. What is the ruling if they send me with a division of this army to wage war against the Muslims? As a Muslim, my feelings are that I never want to fight against Muslims in any war.
What should I do?
What is the ruling if I go...?

Praise be to Allaah.

If you are sent to wage war against the Muslims, then it is not permissible for you to take part at all. Helping the kaafirs against the Muslims is a form of major kufr which puts one beyond the pale of Islam. Allaah says concerning one who supports the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):

"And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa', i.e., friends), then surely, he is one of them"[al-Maa'idah 5:51] [Koran 5:51]

With regard to how you may get out of this situation, and what excuse you can give to get out of this dilemma if it happens, we ask Allaah to help you, and we suggest that you consult some Muslims who have relevant knowledge or experience.

We want to emphasize to you the necessity of finding other employment and of leaving service in the army of the kaafirs, because that implies helping them, strengthening them and increasing the numbers of their fighters and supporters - unless your work can bring some benefits to the Muslims, such as giving information and secrets of the kaafirs to the Muslims so as to help the Muslims, or if your work is purely da'wah, such as giving khutbahs and leading prayers for the Muslims in the kaafir army whilst also advising them to avoid any work that will strengthen the kaafirs. We ask Allaah to keep you safe from temptation and to give you a good end in this world and in the Hereafter.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Click the following for more and then scroll up:

"It may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these [Infidel] armies so as to learn their secrets" - Jihad Watch (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/it-may-be-advantageous-for-muslims-to-work-in-these-infidel-armies-so-as-to-learn-their-secrets.html#comments)

[TimberWolf]

WOW WEE,
Boy oh boy you sure got my number Glad Hand, Man it must be awesome to carry such a level of superior personality, it is so intemidating to even think we share the same message board. I am just in awe of you and you're knowledge of Islam and Christianity and life in general Damn, you go boy!!!! And to top it off you are Agnostic, it just keeps getting more exciting with each sentence you type, I am shaking with excitement that you have even blessed my post with your expertise of life not to mention you are able to talk for others on this board as well, Maybe you should apply to become a board moderator I hear there may be an opening.

You are the King, Praise be to Glad Hand (Allah) A God amongst us feeble minded liberals

Again I am in Awe, complete shock, utter amazement, & pure bliss, in fact you are kind of turning me on and I am a heterosexual male..

YOU ROCK....


Timberwolf

[Ridge Runner]

Let's try to stay to debating the topic instead of turning this into a TWO MAN pissing contest. ( Hint,hint );)

[Graymist]

If I get banned, oh well, but whether he's a muslim or not, he's a dot head.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your level of ignorance is astounding. Just so you know the so-called "dot heads" are Hindus from India, one of the worst sufferers of terrorism at the hands of Pakistan-based Muslim terrorists, who, at one time were on the payrolls of the CIA, in their quest to eject the Soviets from Afghanistan, back in the 80s. India's been waging a lone war against these scum for 2 decades now, and it's only recently, with the shift in global real politik, that they're starting to get heard by the rest of the world, who has, hitherto, been ignoring their plight.

[Glad Hand]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your level of ignorance is astounding. Just so you know the so-called "dot heads" are Hindus from India, one of the worst sufferers of terrorism at the hands of Pakistan-based Muslim terrorists, who, at one time were on the payrolls of the CIA, in their quest to eject the Soviets from Afghanistan, back in the 80s. India's been waging a lone war against these scum for 2 decades now, and it's only recently, with the shift in global real politik, that they're starting to get heard by the rest of the world, who has, hitherto, been ignoring their plight.

Actually, the Hindus have been the ongoing victims of jihad not only for two decades but also for many centuries now. Indeed, in addition to India there are victims of jihads all over the world and wherever the Dar al Islam borders the Dar al Harb in places like Thailand, The Philippines, East Timor, Indonesia, Malaysia, China, Chechnya, the Balkans, Israel, Crete, Greece, Armenia, Darfur, Southern Sudan, Nigeria, throughout the Middle East, the Horn of Africa, Northern Africa, and Western Africa. It’s called the bloody borders of Islam.

There is also cold stealth jihad being waged throughout Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and now also in the USA. Although it occasionally flares up as it did on 9/11 and when Major Niddal Hassan waged his bloody jihad.

In any event, exploiting the Muslims to fight our enemies in Afghanistan was incredibly smart policy and much smarter than pursuing liberal fantasy based nation-building missions under the mistaken political correct notion that we can somehow win the hearts and minds of Muslims who are obligated per their religion to hate our guts no matter what, as we have about as much chance of winning their hearts and changing their minds as we had at convincing Major Niddal Hassan to remain a loyal American and to go fight his fellow Muslim brothers.

[GMAN]

The Muslims have been waging Jihad since Mohammed. They were very successful after the Crusades in the Middle Ages in spreading the Islamic doctrine. Much of what is now Islamic territory was once a bastion of Christianity. Turkey was once the home of the Eastern Church, which was Christian. In fact, you can see many former churches in the area that are now solidly Muslim. Muslims have been killing Christians and non Muslims for centuries. I believe the worst genocide against non Muslims in recent years has occured in Africa. I heard one figure this morning that there have been at least 3 million murdered in that area in the name of Allah. We have not heard much about this in the U.S. until the last few years. It is the modern day version of the Holocaust. Islam is spreading across the world like a huge cancer. If we don't stop it now then it will continue until it engulfs the entire world.

[jonp]

Some credible sources are saying that the reason the Pakistanis are moving into the tribal areas now to deal with the terrorists is not out of any threats made by the US but because after the Indians suffered the attacks last year they told the Paki's that either they move to take care of the problem or the Indians would do it for them.

[ironeagle_2006]

Remember India has NUKES and would nOT BE AFARID TO USE THEM IN PAKISTAN EITHER. Why would get rid of their Enemy there FOREVER. That plus would give them one hell of a bargining chip in any future neogotiations with any country in that area even China why either do this or we will NUKE YOUR ASSES.

[GMAN]

Pakistan and India have been butting heads for years. If India every decided to move against Pakistan it would be a blood bath. India has many more people than in the U.S. They have one of the most populated countries in the world. I don't know how large their army is but with clost to a billion people they could support a very large army. Even with conventional military action they could over whelm Pakistan in short order, if they so chose. I don't see India as an aggressive nation nor do I see them turning the other cheek for very long. Some of these countries are fed up with these terrorists and those who support and shelter them. We need to start holding these countries accountable.

[ironeagle_2006]

Gman I could see India using Nukes for one reason to Stop Al-Queda to stop from getting them. First Target would have to be the Storage areas for them then the areas were Al-Queada is strongest to stop them. India would do what ever is needed to stop them.

[Glad Hand]

If the USA weren’t so blinded by political correct multiculturalism, moral relativism, cultural relativism, and moral equivalence, it would pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan ASAP, since the excuse that is used to justify staying is an absurd ridiculous joke. The reality is the entire Dar al Islam is a terrorist haven and terrorist breeding ground. How many Afghanis took part in the 9/11 terrorist attacks? How many Afghanis flooded into Iraq during the height of the insurgency for martyrdom operations? The answer is zero.

Although seventeen of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and in excess of 40 percent of the suicide/homicide bombers that flocked through Syria into Iraq were also Saudis from Saudi Arabia, none of them were Afghanis. Thus, the notion that if we abandon Iraq and Afghanistan they will become terrorist havens is an absurd joke. The reality is the entire Dar al Islam is a damn terrorist haven.

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not a peacenik or a delusional oblivious leftist. I want to fight and resist the Global jihad, but I want to approach it far more intelligently that we are currently doing right now.

For instance, Iran is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons which if comes to fruition will lead to nuclear proliferation throughout the Dar al Islam, as the Sunnis will race to counter a nuclear armed Shi’a Iran. Yet, instead of taking care business and eliminating the Iranian threat altogether, the Dhimmicrats and the Republicans are both focused instead on pursuing fantasy based nation building mission to win the hearts and minds of Muslims, which, by the way, is literally impossible since in order to become loyal friends and allies with kafir infidel Americans, Muslims have to betray their religion and at the same time be condemned to hell, and hell will freeze over long before that ever happens.

Thus, instead of sending more troops to pursue a PC fantasy based nation building mission in Afghanistan, lets get the hell out of Dodge, take care of business with Iran, and confiscate and destroy the Pakistani nuclear weapons for starters, and if AQ is in Pakistan like they have been for the past nine years, then we need to be in Pakistan instead of Afghanistan hunting them down like the rabid animals they are.

The last thing we need to be doing today is pursuing a silly fantasy based nation-building mission in either Iraq or Afghanistan. That is not only exceedingly counterproductive, it is a complete waste of time since as soon as we leave either place, they will promptly rejoin the perpetual global jihad, but only stronger than otherwise thanks to our help.

In other words, we need to get our priorities straight or else our children and grandchildren will be paying the jizya or otherwise praying five times a day while facing Mecca.

[Roadhog]

After this Jihadist terrorist attack by Maj. Hasan, I expected more attacks on American Right's as a result, instead of an attack on the PC problems in Washington D.C.

Liberals condemning guns and American's "love...(not Right)...l-o-v-e of guns" ...in 5-4-3-2....

doh!...too late. Sen. Chuck Shummer (NY-D) and Mayor Richard Daley (Chicago-D) (no surprise there) already have launched the attack on 2nd. Amendment Rights. Sooooo predictable. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/loudlaugh.gif

Man, I'm never this political. (outwardly) Of course millions of Americans are fed up and speaking out now. Political insanity is going on everyday, and getting worse. I think these liberals are going to win in the end...only for loosing. But...I think these mental midgets in Washington D.C. should have taken away our 2nd Amendment Rights before they launched their fundamental transformation of America. Stupid is as Stupid does. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/loudlaugh.gif

[GMAN]

Gman I could see India using Nukes for one reason to Stop Al-Queda to stop from getting them. First Target would have to be the Storage areas for them then the areas were Al-Queada is strongest to stop them. India would do what ever is needed to stop them.


I think India has come close to using nukes against Pakistan a couple of times in recent years. Tensions have gotten pretty high between the two nations. If you are going to have a war it needs to be run by the generals and soldiers in the field, not the politicians. That is how we got bogged down so much in Vietnam. There was absolutely NO reason we should have been fighting there for more than 12-18 months. Instead, it was a protracted war run from Washington by then Secretary of State McNamara and Lyndon Johnson, who was president at the time. I see the same trend today in this War on Terrorism.

[GMAN]

After this Jihadist terrorist attack by Maj. Hasan, I expected more attacks on American Right's as a result, instead of an attack on the PC problems in Washington D.C.

Liberals condemning guns and American's "love...(not Right)...l-o-v-e of guns" ...in 5-4-3-2....

doh!...too late. Sen. Chuck Shummer (NY-D) and Mayor Richard Daley (Chicago-D) (no surprise there) already have launched the attack on 2nd. Amendment Rights. Sooooo predictable. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/loudlaugh.gif

Man, I'm never this political. (outwardly) Of course millions of Americans are fed up and speaking out now. Political insanity is going on everyday, and getting worse. I think these liberals are going to win in the end...only for loosing. But...I think these mental midgets in Washington D.C. should have taken away our 2nd Amendment Rights before they launched their fundamental transformation of America. Stupid is as Stupid does. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/loudlaugh.gif


Well, they did change the shelf life of our ammunition. So we need to start the revolution before the ammo goes "POOF." I did read somewhere that they plan on putting something on our tax returns where we are supposed to declare how many guns we have and pay a tax on them. I guess we will need to wait to see if that one is actually true. The real reason they started to have us register our guns is so that they will know where to go to confiscate them when the time comes.

[GMAN]

Maybe instead of fighting a war in Afghanistan and Iraq we need to have a Christian Jihad. Declare war on the Muslim infidels. :thumbsup:

[Roadhog]

Maybe instead of fighting a war in Afghanistan and Iraq we need to have a Christian Jihad. Declare war on the Muslim infidels. :thumbsup:
I'm certain it's going to get real ugly anyway. Once Iran gets bombed, all hell will begin to break loose.
Armageddon comes to mind. Seems more real and possible now. Events are falling together, which takes the disbelief out of a non-believer.

[dobry4u]

yes,,, and we will be ripe for alien pickings! E-GADS!!!! :eek1:


http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff358/Muckimuck/aliens.jpg

[dobry4u]

Let's sing the "bomb everyone that looks Muslim" song, shall we???

and a 1 and a 2...

http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr254/jonredsox/uncleb14.jpg

[Roadhog]

Dobry,
aliens? we have them taking over already. 20 million or so from Mexico alone.
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/aliendriver.jpg

I think what we will need to prepare against are the mutant zombies created from the nuclear poisoning. :block:

[GMAN]

I'm certain it's going to get real ugly anyway. Once Iran gets bombed, all hell will begin to break loose.
Armageddon comes to mind. Seems more real and possible now. Events are falling together, which takes the disbelief out of a non-believer.


The prophesies are beginning to take shape.

[jonp]

yes,,, and we will be ripe for alien pickings! E-GADS!!!! :eek1:


http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff358/Muckimuck/aliens.jpg

Where in the world did you get a picture of my family at the Jersey Shore from??

[jonp]

Pakistan and India have been butting heads for years. If India every decided to move against Pakistan it would be a blood bath. India has many more people than in the U.S. They have one of the most populated countries in the world. I don't know how large their army is but with clost to a billion people they could support a very large army. Even with conventional military action they could over whelm Pakistan in short order, if they so chose. I don't see India as an aggressive nation nor do I see them turning the other cheek for very long. Some of these countries are fed up with these terrorists and those who support and shelter them. We need to start holding these countries accountable.

Exactly so and that is why Pakistan moved into Waziristan. Another attack by the terrorists today in Pakistan. Methinks that they are seeing that a deal with the devil in no deal at all.

[TimberWolf]

Henny Penny,

Come quickly the sky is falling.....


Timberwolf

[RostyC]

Sooner or later the sky is falling joke will become not so funny. (I'm not singling you out Timberwolf) Don't anyone think for a minute that we're above crumbling as a nation, it can happen, and has done so many times in the past.

[Roadhog]

I'm sometimes controversial, and expect liberal joust. Lame in my opinion, but predictable. I view it as a typical liberal response,
only I wonder if they wish to add ignorant racist clinging to their Bible and guns, as well. :lol:
I agree, this joke is really not funny anymore.

Regardless of how "crazy" anyone views me, or other Christians, it is a viable concern, and well on target.
Never before have things seemed to be lining up and heading in one direction, almost perfectly as predicted 2000 years ago.
NO ONE ON EARTH has EVER dispelled any of God's Prophesy's. No genius, no scientist, no theologian, and certainly not any wiseass liberal.

Millions of people share in these beliefs, and now is no time to allow anyone to minimalize this as mere crazy, when people should
be taking a close look at their possible future. God Willing it won't happen in our lifetime, but the times ahead shows the writing on the wall.

There are many more things we Christians are using to add up the sign of the times, given to us to measure the truth.
What is going on in the mid-East is just one event to watch. Do you see your life right now being over-whelmed with "the cares of the world?"
I do...I see my life everyday bombarded with concerns I've never had to deal with before, in so many directions.
How long can people live with stress like this?
I would consider myself crazy, if I was measuring my opinions off one point of view, and I am not.

I really care less if non-believers share Christian viewpoints. Billions of people never will.
But, how about a compelling argument, instead of just some cheap shot.

What do YOU think will happen if Iran is bombed?
What do YOU think will happen if Iran succeeds in acquiring Nuclear capability?
What do YOU think will happen if India, Pakistan, the Jihadists, or anyone fires off nukes?
Have you not heard how many crazies are threatening to do just that?
What do you think the world will look like when oil prices go through the roof?
What do you think America will look like if/when the USD collapses, and our Country suffers an Economic Downfall?

[TimberWolf]

Joke or no joke, liberal or not liberal, conservative or not, religious or not, it does not matter as what will happen will happen and we are all powerless to stop it, this is the cycle of life plain and simple. Since the dawn of man back in the days of Neanderthals the human race has always found something about another that they did not like, The solution to that problem has always been extermination, genocide, murder, suppression, and on a few occasions communication.. Why would it change now, just because we have progressed as a world? we have become more civil as humanity? We believe in the Bible?? We dream of a world free from aggression? The desires go on and on, we just want it to be, so therfore it has to be??

Debateable on so many levels, but a solution will not be found in our lifetime or my kids lifetime.
We may get lucky and stop a few terrorist attacks or plans, That is great news and thank you to those who manage to accomplish such a feat. However the bottom line is that any human at any time can plan an attack on any country at any time and it may or may not happen. I have a hard time worrying about such things in life that I have no control over, so if it happens I will do my best to protect my girls from all that I can with what weapons I own, after that all I can do is hope we go quickly. I can only hope, I can not change the outcome of another's desire to destroy humanity.

Timberwolf

[Glad Hand]

It appears there are many people today expressing concern over how Major Nidal Hassan self radicalized or otherwise was radicalized and how this process of radicalization was never detected or was otherwise overlooked by the powers that be.

The reality is those people that erroneously believe Major Nidal Hassan self radicalized or otherwise was radicalized by that so-called radical Imam that is now living in Yemen are completely ignorant of the text and tenants of Islam and what it inculcates exactly because they too have been rendered blind by political correct multiculturalism.

Nevertheless, there wasn’t any radicalization, self-radicalization, or otherwise that took place. Instead, what Major Nidal Hassan did was the manifestation of him choosing not to betray Islam and at the same time be condemned to hell and instead to choose to remain loyal to Islam, its text and tenants, and everything that it inculcates.

I’m afraid that the notion that there are two Islams, one that is so-called moderate and peaceful and one that is so-called radical and extremist is ludicrous and not even close to being true. The truth is because of blind political correct multiculturalism that has contaminated our society, most Americans today remain completely ignorant of the texts and tenants of Islam and what it inculcates, and the people who are trying to spark debate and sound the alarm, are dismissed as Islamophobes, intolerant bigots, or worse.

Thus, today because of political correct multiculturalism that has run amuck in our society all Muslims are assumed to be moderates, that is, of course, until they aren’t.

[Glad Hand]

Joke or no joke, liberal or not liberal, conservative or not, religious or not, it does not matter as what will happen will happen and we are all powerless to stop it, this is the cycle of life plain and simple. Since the dawn of man back in the days of Neanderthals the human race has always found something about another that they did not like, The solution to that problem has always been extermination, genocide, murder, suppression, and on a few occasions communication.. Why would it change now, just because we have progressed as a world? we have become more civil as humanity? We believe in the Bible?? We dream of a world free from aggression? The desires go on and on, we just want it to be, so therfore it has to be??

Debateable on so many levels, but a solution will not be found in our lifetime or my kids lifetime.
We may get lucky and stop a few terrorist attacks or plans, That is great news and thank you to those who manage to accomplish such a feat. However the bottom line is that any human at any time can plan an attack on any country at any time and it may or may not happen. I have a hard time worrying about such things in life that I have no control over, so if it happens I will do my best to protect my girls from all that I can with what weapons I own, after that all I can do is hope we go quickly. I can only hope, I can not change the outcome of another's desire to destroy humanity.

Timberwolf

You must have been born and raised in France or otherwise lived a previous life as a subjugated dhimmi under Muslim authority.

[TimberWolf]

Thus, today because of political correct multiculturalism that has run amuck in our society all Muslims are assumed to be moderates, that is, of course, until they aren’t.


Glad Hand is that not what the basis of our country was formed upon? Innocence until proven guiltly? Freedom of religion? freedom of speech? Live and let live? You are obivously knowledgable on this subject so please give me an honest answer to how you would fix the situation if you were in charge. How would you as a person would put a 100% stop to all terrorist activity and radical islamic thinking based on their core beliefs.
If you would be as kind to do such with out berating me or my beliefs I would greatly appreciate it, however if you feel the need to belittle me, beware as I may become more infatuated with you and my man crush may increase to levels beyond my control.. I'm just saying....

Respecfully,

Timberwolf

[TimberWolf]

Double Post

[TimberWolf]

Nope.
born in St Louis, MO Raised in several areas the first 5 years of my life as my father was a lifer in the Army but mostly grew up in the mountains of Colorado from 1968 on. My family has been it this country since before the inception. My 5th Great Grandfather was Colonel John Seward of the Revolutionary war the Grandfather to William Seward. However I do have a french relative as well Joesph Roubidoux he was a French Canadian fur trapper does that count? Rumour has it he sold goods to Lewis & Clark on their journey to the west.

Timberwolf

[Twilight Flyer]

Joke or no joke, liberal or not liberal, conservative or not, religious or not, it does not matter as what will happen will happen and we are all powerless to stop it, this is the cycle of life plain and simple. Since the dawn of man back in the days of Neanderthals the human race has always found something about another that they did not like, The solution to that problem has always been extermination, genocide, murder, suppression, and on a few occasions communication.. Why would it change now, just because we have progressed as a world? we have become more civil as humanity? We believe in the Bible?? We dream of a world free from aggression? The desires go on and on, we just want it to be, so therfore it has to be??

2000 years ago, a mad man couldn't exterminate millions of people with the push of a button. I agree that what will be, will be, but I subscribe to a higher power and say what will be, we have long been warned about.

Hog's post was excellent and right on the money. People will believe what they will, but should argue from a logical standpoint and not by pointing fingers at the "crackpot" that happens to believe differently.

Scary times we live in. Makes me glad that I DO believe that there is a greater power at work. It would be downright depressing having to answer these questions...

What do YOU think will happen if Iran is bombed?
What do YOU think will happen if Iran succeeds in acquiring Nuclear capability?
What do YOU think will happen if India, Pakistan, the Jihadists, or anyone fires off nukes?
Have you not heard how many crazies are threatening to do just that?
What do you think the world will look like when oil prices go through the roof?
What do you think America will look like if/when the USD collapses, and our Country suffers an Economic Downfall?

...without believing in something better.

[Glad Hand]

Glad Hand is that not what the basis of our country was formed upon? Innocence until proven guiltly? Freedom of religion? freedom of speech? Live and let live? You are obivously knowledgable on this subject so please give me an honest answer to how you would fix the situation if you were in charge. How would you as a person would put a 100% stop to all terrorist activity and radical islamic thinking based on their core beliefs.
If you would be as kind to do such with out berating me or my beliefs I would greatly appreciate it, however if you feel the need to belittle me, beware as I may become more infatuated with you and my man crush may increase to levels beyond my control.. I'm just saying....

Respecfully,

Timberwolf

With all due respect, our country was formed under the basis of freedom from tyranny, and innocent until proven guilty with respect to the context you are applying it here is really willful blindness and political correct multiculturalism run amuck.

With respect to freedom of religion, if people educate themselves about Islam and study the history of Islam, its text and tenants, and what it really inculcates, no one in their right mind other than Muslims would ever consider Islam as being a religion.

Indeed, if our society wasn’t nearly so blinded by political correctness and cultural relativism, Islam already would be reclassified for what it really is, which is a total belief system and rabid totalitarian ideology that like Fascism, Nazism, and Communism also calls for world domination but in reality is far more virulent because it utilizes the guise of religion to subjugate its adherents into becoming loyal slaves to its ideology and to also deceive the non-Muslims kafirs Islam targets and seeks to subjugate as dhimmis.

Regarding live and let live, study the history of Islam. Islam has never allowed live and let live as it divides the world into two camps, the Dar al Islam (domain of Islam) and the Dar al Harb (domain of unbelief). The domain of Islam (Dar al Islam) is the world where Islamic Sharia has been imposed and the domain of unbelief (Dar a Harb) is the part of the world where Islamic Sharia has not yet been imposed and where the pagans (Mushrikeen) that ultimately must be enlightened via the eventual imposition of Sharia live.

Remove your PC multicultural blinders for once and take a good look all around the world, without a single exception in every non-Muslim state that is unfortunate enough to border an Islamic state, kafir infidels in the bordering states are under direct assault by Muslims. There is no such thing as live and let live when it comes to Islam since the imperative to subjugate the world via the imposition of Islamic Sharia in Islam is manifest and is its highest mandate.

Nevertheless, if I were in charge I would enlighten America and indeed the entire non-Islamic world regarding what Islam really is, its history, texts and tenants, and what it inculcates. For instance, had I been President instead of GWB when 9/11 occurred, I wouldn’t have appointed a so-called bipartisan 9/11 commission to sweep the political correctness and gross incompetence of those officials responsible under the rug and also to justify doubling the size of the federal government under guise of protecting the homeland.

Instead, I would have fired those officials whose political correctness and gross incompetence led to 9/11 and then appointed qualified officials not so blinded by political correctness to take their place. I also would have ensured that every American was educated with respect to what Islam really is, and I would have campaigned hard to outlaw any further Muslim immigration into the USA ASAP.

I would have also required all Muslims already living in the USA as citizens to either swear allegiance to the US constitution or otherwise deport them back to the Dar al Islam, and I would have closely monitored those that inevitably lied (practiced taqiyya).

My reasoning is simple common sense: No Muslims equals no possibility of Islamic terrorist attacks and no need to wastefully throw hundreds of billions of dollars we don’t have down a black hole.

With respect to radical Islam, there is no radical Islam and no moderate Islam there is just Islam, and what you erroneously observe as radicalism in Islam is a manifestation of your own political correctness and ignorance and in reality is just Muslims simply acting on their core beliefs, per the text and tenants of Islam, and what they have been inculcated to be.

With respect to the so-called war on terrorism (WOT), it is ludicrous to declare war on terrorism not only because terrorism is a tactic, but also because terrorism is just one form or one manifestation of jihad that the Dar al Islam employs against us.

Not only that, but as a manifestation of jihad employed by Muslims against non-Muslims, terrorism is one of the least ubiquitous and least effective forms of jihad that they utilize to undermine us, as the vast amount of jihad that takes place around the world is pursued via stealth and by peaceful means that for the most part operates below the level of the public’s scrutiny.

Thus, by declaring war against terrorism and only terrorism alone we play right into their hands because at the same time we obliviously enable all the other forms of jihad that are far more prevalent and are far more effective to be used against us with impunity.

[TimberWolf]

Twilight,
I to believe in a supreme being, however my idea of our GOD is much different from the mainstream religious world so I would be consider a "Crackpot" so to speak. In my world my GOD does not dictate who to take as my savior with the threat of hell looming if I don't do as he wishes, My GOD believes in do unto others and live and let live, treat others with kindness and have a caring heart and you will do well in the end, My GOD does not seperate the differences in humanity we are all the same in his eyes no matter what we look like, how we speak, were we live, who we sleep with, or what religion we believe in, Just believe is all he expects. I am of the belief that organized religion seperates humanity "my opinions only" I am not asking any one to be swayed to my beliefs nor do I expect to be berated for my beliefs. Those of you like roadhog and yourself and many others on this board are able to see that, others feel the need to belittle and berate, that is life and it does not bother me by any means. It Is What It Is. I like to have fun with those types of personalities.

In my mind I think I would rather go at someone elses hands by the touch of a button, it means death will be relatively quick and painless "hopefully" if you happen to be close to ground zero. I may be naive but I truly think our country when called upon will do everything in its power to defend our soil against a fever attack of nuclear warheads. When Iran, North Korea, or whomever decides to launch an all out attack on our home land the country will come together as it did in WWll and martial law will come in place. This country will shut down very quickly and then the scenerio for the ultimate war we be in place, our president no matter who is in office will do the right thing, "I have to believe that"... it is not a matter of being liberal or conservative this is a matter of what is right. My mind has difficulty operating in a world of seperation, that is why I focus solely on my wife and my daughters as I have said before they will be the ones beside me on my death bed. They are the ones who count...


Timberwolf

[TimberWolf]

With all due respect, our country was formed under the basis of freedom from tyranny, and innocent until proven guilty with respect to the context you are applying it here is really willful blindness and political correct multiculturalism run amuck.

With respect to freedom of religion, if people educate themselves about Islam and study the history of Islam, its text and tenants, and what it really inculcates, no one in their right mind other than Muslims would ever consider Islam as being a religion.

Indeed, if our society wasn’t nearly so blinded by political correctness and cultural relativism, Islam already would be reclassified for what it really is, which is a total belief system and rabid totalitarian ideology that like Fascism, Nazism, and Communism also calls for world domination but in reality is far more virulent because it utilizes the guise of religion to subjugate its adherents into becoming loyal slaves to its ideology and to also deceive the non-Muslims kafirs Islam targets and seeks to subjugate as dhimmis.

Regarding live and let live, study the history of Islam. Islam has never allowed live and let live as it divides the world into two camps, the Dar al Islam (domain of Islam) and the Dar al Harb (domain of unbelief). The domain of Islam (Dar al Islam) is the world where Islamic Sharia has been imposed and the domain of unbelief (Dar a Harb) is the part of the world where Islamic Sharia has not yet been imposed and where the pagans (Mushrikeen) that ultimately must be enlightened via the eventual imposition of Sharia live.

Remove your PC multicultural blinders for once and take a good look all around the world, without a single exception in every non-Muslim state that is unfortunate enough to border an Islamic state, kafir infidels in the bordering states are under direct assault by Muslims. There is no such thing as live and let live when it comes to Islam since the imperative to subjugate the world via the imposition of Islamic Sharia in Islam is manifest and is its highest mandate.

Nevertheless, if I were in charge I would enlighten America and indeed the entire non-Islamic world regarding what Islam really is, its history, texts and tenants, and what it inculcates. For instance, had I been President instead of GWB when 9/11 occurred, I wouldn’t have appointed a so-called bipartisan 9/11 commission to sweep the political correctness and gross incompetence of those officials responsible under the rug and also to justify doubling the size of the federal government under guise of protecting the homeland.

Instead, I would have fired those officials whose political correctness and gross incompetence led to 9/11 and then appointed qualified officials not so blinded by political correctness to take their place. I also would have ensured that every American was educated with respect to what Islam really is, and I would have campaigned hard to outlaw any further Muslim immigration into the USA ASAP.

I would have also required all Muslims already living in the USA as citizens to either swear allegiance to the US constitution or otherwise deport them back to the Dar al Islam, and I would have closely monitored those that inevitably lied (practiced taqiyya).

My reasoning is simple common sense: No Muslims equals no possibility of Islamic terrorist attacks and no need to wastefully throw hundreds of billions of dollars we don’t have down a black hole.

With respect to radical Islam, there is no radical Islam and no moderate Islam there is just Islam, and what you erroneously observe as radicalism in Islam is a manifestation of your own political correctness and ignorance and in reality is just Muslims simply acting on their core beliefs, per the text and tenants of Islam, and what they have been inculcated to be.

With respect to the so-called war on terrorism (WOT), it is ludicrous to declare war on terrorism not only because terrorism is a tactic, but also because terrorism is just one form or one manifestation of jihad that the Dar al Islam employs against us.

Not only that, but as a manifestation of jihad employed by Muslims against non-Muslims, terrorism is one of the least ubiquitous and least effective forms of jihad that they utilize to undermine us, as the vast amount of jihad that takes place around the world is pursued via stealth and by peaceful means that for the most part operates below the level of the public’s scrutiny.

Thus, by declaring war against terrorism and only terrorism alone we play right into their hands because at the same time we obliviously enable all the other forms of jihad that are far more prevalent and are far more effective to be used against us with impunity.



Well see there you have it Glad Hand We agree on something the war on terrorism is futile..

Now as President Glad Hand how would you handle those people who are in opposition to your beliefs and do not want to "enlightend" as you know they will be out there. This is America nad there will be those who oppose just because...Are you sure the officers you appoint are 100% garanteed to be able to do the job, as we see it every day in this country people we think are good and right for a position turn out to be jokes. how can you be positive that you're officers will not fall into the same trap, after all we are all human. We can look back into every president's cabinet and find something or someone controversial simple fact there. So how are you going to get America to drink the Islamic educational kool aid, words alone wont do it, we have been witness to that for many years now. Bi partisan groups are greatif they work out but from what I have seen over my adult years is that they never seem to agree on the flavor of kool aid to drink thus creating a stalemate.

I am finding a slight contridiction in you're words when you state that you would have all Amercian Muslims swear allegiance to the constituion as those are just words and by you're definition Muslims follow their core beliefs so how would we be sure they are loyal to America just because they raised their right hand? You would have to monitor all of them, were would those resources come from?

Please correct me if I am wrong but I interept from you're words "No Muslims equals no possibility of Islamic terrorist attacks" that that only way to be rid of Islam, muslims and any sort of terrorist activity is to create a genocide of sorts "Extermination" then the world wil be free, am I mistaken with this interpretation?
I am not of the Pc mindset or liberal mindset I just have difficulty drinking this glass of kool aid.
None the less thank you for responding without berating.

Timberwolf

[Glad Hand]

Well see there you have it Glad Hand We agree on something the war on terrorism is futile..


Timberwolf

Take your meds and then take a hike! I don’t agree with you on anything. I was just pointing out a manifestation of insane political correctness. Nevertheless, I’m not surprised you weren’t sophisticated enough to figure that out.

[Roadhog]

Twilight,
I to believe in a supreme being, however my idea of our GOD is much different from the mainstream religious world so I would be consider a "Crackpot" so to speak. In my world my GOD does not dictate who to take as my savior with the threat of hell looming if I don't do as he wishes, My GOD believes in do unto others and live and let live, treat others with kindness and have a caring heart and you will do well in the end, My GOD does not seperate the differences in humanity we are all the same in his eyes no matter what we look like, how we speak, were we live, who we sleep with, or what religion we believe in, Just believe is all he expects. I am of the belief that organized religion seperates humanity
Timberwolf

HEY!..........how about practicing some of what your God teaches you?

You are implying the Christian God is ignorant, hateful, racist and cruel. You could not be more ignorant of Christianity or the God of our faith.
If you wish to speak of your God fine, but please refrain from impugning the Christian God. You are really blinded by your moral superiority. (and American lineage superiority)

Liberals love to trash Christianity these days. I actually understand this hatred of Christianity, and I know where it is coming from. That also was something we Christians were told to expect and prepare for. This world has become uglier than ever, and getting worse. We all can see that plainly, Christian, Muslim or otherwise.

Timberwolf, continue to act like an ignorant self-centered condescending prique, and be treated as such. :moon:

[TimberWolf]

Ah, but see !! you do Glad Hand as you stated fighting terroristic acts will not work you said so yourself and I agree. So therfore we agree!!! Sorry to stun your ego. You still failed to answer the question about Extermination, oh well...

Roadhog you are free to believe how you like as I am, I could care less what you're GOD does or how he acts. I choose to believe otherwise have at your faith and more power to you.
In my world my GOD acts how I believe. I can go to the Bible and state numerous versus that damn people to hell for their behavior or acts. So as I see it I am not ignorant of anything other then the fact I don't see life or religion as you do.
OH Well now you can ask me if I sleep at night and I will respond "yes very well"
You are free to speak as you like about religion just as I am take my words however you like as I do yours. It is no big deal. This is a circle that will never stop....

Timberwolf

[GMAN]

Guys, we don't want to get in to a free for all about Christianity. Let's tone it down before it gets out of hand. Thanks.

[Roadhog]

You have no class Timberwolf.
You insult a man, and insult a man's God and Faith, and continue with more of the same.
Everyone on this site can see you for what you are.

[TimberWolf]

You have no class Timberwolf.
You insult a man, and insult a man's God and Faith, and continue with more of the same.
Everyone on this site can see you for what you are.

Roadhog All I have done was speak of my beliefs in my GOD, nothing more nothing less, "I spoke of my beliefs", I am able to state my feelings about other religions just as you guys do about other religions but since they do not align with yours, you feel as if I am insulting your religion, How short sighted you are..

It is what it is, and you too have no class as you fear a man who believes differently then you so you & others resort to insults and inuendo which is exactly what I expect from the so called Religious right wing; "attack what you fear" That has been the way of organized religion for so many years why change it now. If you were to really look into the past and open up your minds then you could see what has happened in the name of religion.
In MY OPINION if it is ORGANIZED it is a FARCE. agree or don't you wont change my thoughts as I DON'T expect NOR WANT to change yours.

You too have insulted my Faith so if you like you can come to my sanctuary and ask for forgiveness over a beer as it is just in my backyard next to the bamboo and the hammock overlooking the swiming pool I do my best sermons there, oh did I mention I am an ordained pastor by the Universal Life church.

As far as what everyone on this board sees me as, WOW you really had to think hard for that one Ouch
you hurt my feelers... to funny...

Timberwolf

[Roadhog]

Roadhog All I have done was speak of my beliefs in my GOD, nothing more nothing less, "I spoke of my beliefs", I am able to state my feelings about other religions just as you guys do about other religions but since they do not align with yours, you feel as if I am insulting your religion, How short sighted you are..

It is what it is, and you too have no class as you fear a man who believes differently then you so you & others resort to insults and inuendo which is exactly what I expect from the so called Religious right wing; "attack what you fear" That has been the way of organized religion for so many years why change it now. If you were to really look into the past and open up your minds then you could see what has happened in the name of religion.
In MY OPINION if it is ORGANIZED it is a FARCE. agree or don't you wont change my thoughts as I DON'T expect NOR WANT to change yours.

You too have insulted my Faith so if you like you can come to my sanctuary and ask for forgiveness over a beer as it is just in my backyard next to the bamboo and the hammock overlooking the swiming pool I do my best sermons there, oh did I mention I am an ordained pastor by the Universal Life church.

As far as what everyone on this board sees me as, WOW you really had to think hard for that one Ouch
you hurt my feelers... to funny...

Timberwolf
I fear you?
I stand by my claim you are an insulting, condescending prique and now a liar, and you prove this to be accurate.


PROVE just one line where I have insulted ANYONE'S religion. [at anytime ever on CAD]
PROVE just one line where I have insulted your religion.

[TimberWolf]

Roadhog,
I will use the same words you choose to use on me, You are implied that my beliefs are foolish and there by stand no merit in this disagreement. You implied that just because I choose to speak of my opinion on organized religion that I insulted your religion and you. "You implied"
Just becouse I said Organized religion is a farce "in my opinion" that is insulting to you? Put on your man panties and grow up ( me being insulting). You too are insulting, childish and foolish. I pity you for not having an open mind to allow other to speak their views or opinions without feeling attacked. I could'nt care less what religion you practice or what you believe in, so why do you care how I feel, do you have no life outside of CAD.
I do not expect you to see my view point or understand "AGAIN" I am not asking you too I am just stating my personal beliefs. I wish you had enough common sense to allow me to state them without feeling personaly attacked, however that is humanity and it happens to all of us from time to time. So I forgive you my child... (me being condescending)
I could'nt care less if you like me, hate me ,or want to banish me to Hell, you're views and those of others on this board have no effect on my life or my actions.

Respectfully,

Ttimberwolf

[dobry4u]

Timberwolf, continue to act like an ignorant self-centered condescending prique, and be treated as such. :moon:

Oops. Hoggie! Looks like it might be getting close to personal here. Is it necessary? Can't we just debate the subject? plz

[GMAN]

Dobry is correct. We can discuss issues without the name calling. Let's attack the position and not the poster.

[Roadhog]

Well, I've given this some thought, and there will be absolutely no apologies from me!

Dobry was the first one to point to the "crazy Christian," followed by Timberwolf. I can handle that knowing, it is typical treatment from liberals to make a Christian up to be "crazy" anytime a Christian mentions Prophesy, or aspects of this part of their belief. Armageddon is a distinct possibility in the Christian belief, and yet people seem to feel it is okay to ridicule Christians these days, for their beliefs. I tried to chuckle it off with Dobry. I gave Timberwolf a very fair chance as well, only he felt it necessary to take it further, as I saw it in relationship to my posts.

There are many reasons why Christianity is a threat to liberal thinking. We've been under attack for a long time, but now the liberals are full on assault, and it comes at whatever expense they see necessary. They need us out of the way, for them to advance their socialist agenda. All you have to do is look at some examples of how Christian women like Sarah Palin, or Carrie Prejean got relentlessly attacked for their beliefs. I won't bother citing hundreds of examples of how Christians are being viciously attacked, in this Country, let alone all over the World. Many evil people want us wiped off the face of the Earth! Any reasonable thinking American, can see for themselves. Right now it is better to be a Muslim in this Country. Liberals are now even stooping so low to give Muslim terrorists, US Citizen rights in the case of the 9/11 mastermind and 4 other murderous thugs, and looking for any excuse to make Maj. Hasan up to be a victim. This liberal thinking is insane.

After the post I made claiming the "crazy Christian" joke is no longer funny, I saw what I felt was a veiled attack. I felt the timing was not by chance, and the implications on purpose. I don't buy the hidden tactics and (spin-spin) no lines were crossed. I saw enough outrageous distortions of my God and Faith, and don't appreciate the liberal spin. If someone wants to discuss their religion, that is fine, but everything in context here was not about that, in my opinion. We all know enough not to cross certain lines here with each other. That gets brought up to the limit of just short sometimes, and we all know it!
Timberwolf even admitted he like to "toy" with people.

I'm sick of this liberal open season on Christians, in whatever veiled or otherwise attacks. I didn't start this, and escalated it in fair progression, and I ended up crossing lines, which I will not apologize for. I will do it again if anyone utters anything about my religion I find inappropriate, even if that makes me unwelcome here or down the street.

[Twilight Flyer]

There are many reasons why Christianity is a threat to liberal thinking. We've been under attack for a long time, but now the liberals are full on assault, and it comes at whatever expense they see necessary. They need us out of the way, for them to advance their socialist agenda. All you have to do is look at some examples of how Christian women like Sarah Palin, or Carrie Prejean got relentlessly attacked for their beliefs. I won't bother citing hundreds of examples of how Christians are being viciously attacked, in this Country, let alone all over the World. Many evil people want us wiped off the face of the Earth! Any reasonable thinking American, can see for themselves. Right now it is better to be a Muslim in this Country. Liberals are now even stooping so low to give Muslim terrorists, US Citizen rights in the case of the 9/11 mastermind and 4 other murderous thugs, and looking for any excuse to make Maj. Hasan up to be a victim. This liberal thinking is insane.

After the post I made claiming the "crazy Christian" joke is no longer funny, I saw what I felt was a veiled attack. I felt the timing was not by chance, and the implications on purpose. I don't buy the hidden tactics and (spin-spin) no lines were crossed. I saw enough outrageous distortions of my God and Faith, and don't appreciate the liberal spin. If someone wants to discuss their religion, that is fine, but everything in context here was not about that, in my opinion. We all know enough not to cross certain lines here with each other. That gets brought up to the limit of just short sometimes, and we all know it!
Timberwolf even admitted he like to "toy" with people.

I'm sick of this liberal open season on Christians, in whatever veiled or otherwise attacks. I didn't start this, and escalated it in fair progression, and I ended up crossing lines, which I will not apologize for. I will do it again if anyone utters anything about my religion I find inappropriate, even if that makes me unwelcome here or down the street.

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1…and on and on and on.

Gloves were off but well said.

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Now, let’s eliminate the religious discussion. It’s getting a little too heated to effectively moderate.

[Roadhog]

Thanks Twilight!...and I agree.
I've bit my tongue to shreds lately. :block:

[Jackrabbit379]

I guess they are still investigating? I haven't heard much about it. Is Hasan still in the hospital? It shouldn't take 10 minutes to convict that whipper snapper.

[dobry4u]

Dobry was the first one to point to the "crazy Christian," followed by Timberwolf. I can handle that knowing, it is typical treatment from liberals to make a Christian up to be "crazy" anytime a Christian mentions Prophesy, or aspects of this part of their belief.

Hmm... My comment about being ripe for alien take over wasn't a crazy Christian comment so much as it was in reference to disarming. If you took it as a "crazy Christian" comment, then :confused: The "peanut gallery" comment about bombing all the Muslims is more of a reference to the sort of thing that went on with Orientals in this country after Pearl Harbor. That wasn't a crazy Christian comment either.

ALSO, neither comment was a personal attack on anyone. I respect a person's right to state their beliefs and freely do so. What I do have a problem with is the personal attacks. Name calling isn't debating or stating beliefs whatsoever. It outright sucks.

[Roadhog]

Dobry,
I still view your response as I said, yet my beef was not with you. There was a sequence to this, and it did start mildly with some old worn out humor.

I'm not the only Christian really fed up right now, and maybe people need to realize where this is going, not only in this Country, but worldwide.
People are soooooo worried about the poor Muslims in this Country, while Christians are having to learn how to deal with the attacks made against them.
Like I said, it would be better to be a Muslim in America right now, than a Christian.

Like many Christians, I am biting my tongue over the anti-Christian rhetoric. I wish I had some experience dealing with this, but so far my idea of turning the other cheek, is to lean into the punch and hurt the crap out of some liberals fist with my nose.

We all need to step back right now, but frankly, I do not see that being realistic any time soon. Christians are under attack, and we are at War, with even our own American citizens. This is the real issue in my opinion. We are at War...and the liberals do NOT want to admit that. You can not get a liberal to even mouth the word terrorist. They want to take the rights and voice of Christians and give it to the terrorists. This Circus trial set for New York City will do just that...which is just one example of whats going on, and many of us see it for what it really is.


As for GMAN's comment, I disagree with you. In my opinion, that was no "peanut gallery" comment. We are in an undeclared War. It's time to act responsibly, and declare this a War once and for all. Our enemies are coming out of the Muslim community worldwide. They do not wear a uniform, and are illegal combatants, killing innocent civilians. They are both committing acts of War, and Terrorism. They have no rights in any way shape or form, and damn the liberals for giving them any rights and a platform. Our Military better get with the program, and shove the liberal PC nonsense right up the Commander in Chiefs butt for him to use as an artificial spine. This nonsense with Maj. Hasan is a disgrace as well.

Liberals are going to be shocked into reality, after it's too late. Just like they are so happy to ride the Obama train to bankrupt Marxist Amerika, and then wonder what happened.

[TimberWolf]

I have to agree with the name calling situation as well, but it is what it is. Most of us are guilty of it at one time or another.
my initial post to you or glad hand did not contain any personal attacks of any sort, you guys took it to that level because you did not agree with my opinions and you felt they were a personal attack on you and christanity while in reality they are just my opinions. In "MY OPINION" that is the stereo typical behavior of most Christians/religious personal I have personaly come in contact with during my life. "Talk The Talk, but fail to Walk The Walk". Reminds me of a sermon I once heard Ted Haggard complete about the evils of homosexuality and drug use in today's America. I disagree with the core beliefs of all Organized Religion as it creates a seperation from others that are not in that particular group. In my mind that is wrong, so I have created my own little religion that works for me. I am not asking you to belong altough you are welcome if you like, I am not asking that you agree, I just don't want the personal attacks for my beliefs. This is the exact reason why nothing gets solved in our Government as everyone is to busy calling the other side idiots and the exact reason why I lable myself dysenfranchised, both sides suck.... Until they can get past the childish attacks on one another nothing will ever be truly right.

Roadhog I don't want an apology from you nor do I expect one you are of no consequence to my life so it is not needed. I in turn am not going to apolgize for my beliefs as well and I will continue to post them on this board just as you are able to do the same. Now that you know you disagree with my core belief cycle you can stay away from my post or responses and not have to worry about getting your dander up over my "Pseudo PC Liberal words"
Just for the record my intial posts were not meant to toy or jab at you and your belief system they were simply my opinions on religion, any sequencial connection you may have conjured up was purely coincidental.

Repectfully,

Timberwolf

[Roadhog]

This would have been an appropriate time to hear from the Muslims condemning this terrorist attack, as well as from President Obama. I still am hearing nothing, but a bunch of progressive liberals having extreme difficulty mouthing one simple word, [terrorist] but they can easily say, victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith. It makes me angry that liberals must protect their agenda over truth and justice.

I believe Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a Jihadist coward and a terrorist. I believe he based his attack upon radical Islamic religious beliefs. I do not care what his crybaby problems are, because none of it gives excuse for his well thought out, and executed brutal attack.

On a related point... I believe that everyone should have a fair trial, including those offenders that have abandoned their humanity.
I like this quote by Judge Roy Bean.

"Mr. Harden, it's my duty to inform you that the larceny of an equine is a capital offense punishable by death, but you can rest assured that in this Court a horse thief always gets a fair trial before he's hung." - Judge Roy Bean

I feel we should hope and pray to protect the Freedoms and Rights of every American citizen, and guest of our Country, individually and as a Nation together, no matter what their personal beliefs, long as they are not our enemy. I'm not seeing any cooperation or leadership, and I'm disgusted by how politicized and PC our military has become.

Long as the Islamic Americans do not condemn radical Islam, and Sharia Law that allows fathers to murder their own daughters on American streets, then I personally am going to have a hard time trusting any of them. Continuing to remain silent as they all did recently at their day of prayer in Washington D.C., then I have to question whose side are they on? They had a perfect opportunity to speak out to America and the world, and they remain silent today.

No I take that back, not silent, actually we have American Muslims praising the Ft. Hood shooting. This video is one that is still up on YouTube.
Some videos were so offensive, they have already been removed.
YouTube - REVOLUTION MUSLIM STREET DAWAH: 06-11-2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhHYiWCm8Gs&feature=player_embedded#)

[GMAN]

[
As for GMAN's comment, I disagree with you. In my opinion, that was no "peanut gallery" comment. [/quote]


That wasn't my comment, Roadhog. I don't think that our true enemy is Islam as much as liberalism. It is like a cancer that has taken over this country and many others throughout the world. It has enabled Islam to become a strong presence in many countries. We may be headed toward a modern day "Crusade" where we will once again see Christians and Muslims in conflict with the winner ruling the world. Before this is over we may see Christianity outlawed and believers martyred. We are seeing history once again repeating itself.

[Roadhog]

This is the quote being referred to;
Maybe instead of fighting a war in Afghanistan and Iraq we need to have a Christian Jihad. Declare war on the Muslim infidels. :thumbsup:

That wasn't my comment, Roadhog. I don't think that our true enemy is Islam as much as liberalism.
I'm sorry, but I didn't get the link to liberalism in that quote.

However, I do agree with you about liberalism as being our biggest national threat.

[Roadhog]

Let's sing the "bomb everyone that looks Muslim" song, shall we???

and a 1 and a 2...

http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr254/jonredsox/uncleb14.jpg

This was the peanut gallery...and I loved this! http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/loudlaugh.gif

...but first children, lets sing...MMMM MMMM MMMMM Barak Husein Obama

[GMAN]

Our country started it's liberal decline during the 1960's and 1970's. Madeline O'Hare forced the issue of taking the Bible out of our schools. It came at the perfect time. Vietnam was going strong and there was much protesting in the streets against the war and the blacks were also protesting for equal rights. This country and our core values were put into question. I think that there is a direct link to taking the Bible out of our schools and the current situation in which we see ourselves engaged. Children were taught values from the beginning. If they didn't get it at home they received it at school. You cannot have a society without limits. We MUST have a set of core values. In this country that is based upon Christian values. While there is no "Separation of Church and State" in our constitution, most people believe that to be the case. We have a freedom OF religion in this country, not a freedom FROM religion. Conservatives and Christians have long turned the other cheek and not stood up for our values. We have gone from a nation of personal responsibility and freedom to a reliance on government and a willingness of the people to give up their freedoms for a government check. Hopefully, it is not too late to turn things around.

[Roadhog]

I remember loving to stand and place my hand over my heart, and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Even at the age of 5, I remember knowing much about President Dwight D. Eisenhower, and listening to my Dad tell stories of WWII. We were brought up to be Patriots, and religion gave us moral compass. A man lived by his word and reputation. Children respected their elders, and learned the value of a dollar, and hard work.

I remember the racial tensions, and riots, and the Marxist movement. Allot of good things began to happen, as well as bad. For awhile there I felt we came out of all that better as a Nation, but it was some years later, I realized the Marxist movement never stopped. This slide to liberalism though has always angered me, and I have honestly many times tried to understand that point of view. They have turn the blacks back into slaves and undid every good thing that was accomplished by Dr. Martin Luther King. That is why today, I am not struggling with it what so ever. I have spent years grappling with it.

[dobry4u]

I am not so quick to point fingers at one specific cause of the world situation. That would be like walking through life with blinders on. As far as the economy, as time progresses, so does a world economy evolve. That's a fact, Jack.

And as far as the humanitarian road the world as a whole seems to walk on is far too complex to blame it on Muslims or Liberals. Look at the United States of America as an example. What if we blame the two income families who need both households to work to survive financially in the lifestyle they have chosen. Lots of children being raised in a "non-family" and more of a business environment. Those children have grown and see life in a different prospective than prior generations. And as parents, did we compensate our absences with buying those kids everything they want? Make them into "instant gratification" beings?

I acknowledge that the above paragraph seems a tangent, but in reality, it does deserve recognition. I am not so quick to blame any specific argument as to the conditions of the world. Does the current backdrop show Armageddon? Or will it occur centuries later? Is the answer really to point fingers at every shadow?

The Earth could be annihilated by meteors tomorrow, is that Washington's fault?
:eek1:

[GMAN]

The South was pretty conservative during that time. Southern Democrats of that day were more conservative than the most conservative Republicans of today. For the most part this country wasn't so violent as a whole. There were violent protests, but most of them were pretty tame. People were passionate. Whites were discriminated against in the name of equality and because of previous discrimination against blacks. No longer was the best qualified given the job. Blacks and other minorities were given preferential treatment in the job process. That is still true with many government positions. Lyndon Johnson's "New Deal" program started a very slippery slide into greater socialism and a reliance on government rather than taking personal responsibility. It was the beginning of a decline in social values. Drugs were rampant in colleges across this nation. Promiscuity was encouraged. The birth control pill helped push this along. It was rare for a woman to abort a baby and if a guy got a girl pregnant then they usually got married. Women burned their bra's in the name of freedom. More women entered the workforce and those who didn't were chastised if they wanted to stay home and raise their children. There was a lot of unrest. Many changes took place. Today's liberalism was born during this time. Those who marched and took their drug of choice are the same ones who are running our government. I suppose that explains a lot.....:confused:

[GMAN]

What if we blame the two income families who need both households to work to survive financially in the lifestyle they have chosen. Lots of children being raised in a "non-family" and more of a business environment. Those children have grown and see life in a different prospective than prior generations. And as parents, did we compensate our absences with buying those kids everything they want? Make them into "instant gratification" beings?

During the 1960's and 1970's you could earn a decent living on minimum wage. It would not be an extravagant lifestyle, but you could live and raise a family. If more money was needed it was usually the man who got another job. Things began to decline when women entered the workforce enmasse. Parents delegated their parental responsibility to others while they went off and pursued what made them personally happy. It became "All about me." The children didn't seem to matter. We now see the results.




Does the current backdrop show Armageddon? Or will it occur centuries later? Is the answer really to point fingers at every shadow?

The Earth could be annihilated by meteors tomorrow, is that Washington's fault?
:eek1:


We can see the future by reading the Bible. The groundwork is being laid and world events are leading to Armageddon. Everything predicted in the Bible, so far, has come true. While I believe we are living in the end times as defined by the Bible, we are told in scriptures that we will not know the exact time. We are given signs leading up to the final conflict. Most of those signs are currently in place. We are told that the earth will be destroyed by "Fire and brimstone." Whether that is a huge meteor or nuclear missiles, we won't know until it happens. I don't condemn anyone for not believing, but I also don't want to be condemned for my beliefs. We are beginning to see an all out attack on Christians and Christian beliefs. It was more subtle in years past. It has become more blatant in recent years.

[dobry4u]

We can see the future by reading the Bible. The groundwork is being laid and world events are leading to Armageddon. Everything predicted in the Bible, so far, has come true. While I believe we are living in the end times as defined by the Bible, we are told in scriptures that we will not know the exact time. We are given signs leading up to the final conflict. Most of those signs are currently in place. We are told that the earth will be destroyed by "Fire and brimstone." Whether that is a huge meteor or nuclear missiles, we won't know until it happens. I don't condemn anyone for not believing, but I also don't want to be condemned for my beliefs.

No condemning here. We could be in our last days ... and the last days could mean generations ahead. While this maybe factual, it isn't qualifying carte blanche to be "haters" or less harsh.. finger pointers. I believe there are loads of passages in the Bible that preach the opposite.

[Roadhog]

I am not so quick to point fingers at one specific cause of the world situation. That would be like walking through life with blinders on. As far as the economy, as time progresses, so does a world economy evolve. That's a fact, Jack.

And as far as the humanitarian road the world as a whole seems to walk on is far too complex to blame it on Muslims or Liberals. Look at the United States of America as an example. What if we blame the two income families who need both households to work to survive financially in the lifestyle they have chosen. Lots of children being raised in a "non-family" and more of a business environment. Those children have grown and see life in a different prospective than prior generations. And as parents, did we compensate our absences with buying those kids everything they want? Make them into "instant gratification" beings?

I acknowledge that the above paragraph seems a tangent, but in reality, it does deserve recognition. I am not so quick to blame any specific argument as to the conditions of the world. Does the current backdrop show Armageddon? Or will it occur centuries later? Is the answer really to point fingers at every shadow?

The Earth could be annihilated by meteors tomorrow, is that Washington's fault?
:eek1:
Dobry,
I agree the situations we face are wide spred and complex. The very acts of liberalism are to complicate and overwhelm the system. It is difficult to separate some things, but I am quite certain of the root issues. Many things are out of our control, but some things we can control, especially if we go to the root of a problem.

Our leadership is one root problem. Look how they do not live within a budget. Look at how they spend us into oblivion. Thing is... this is by design. No one can be this irresponsible and ignorant, if not on purpose. The liberals wish to destroy the free market. You see... many people in the world do not have our standard of living. The Marxists want to bring those people up, and us down. It's called redistribution of wealth. (THEFT) If they get their way, you and I will be working for $20/day...so those people who make $2/day can be brought up to $10/day. One World Marxist Government. Goodbye America.

There are many economic complications that have altered the true American path. But just as there are millions of Americans who have no common sense with money and credit, there are millions of Americans who have been responsible. ( and we're the one's paying for all the bailouts ) In my community, most families live within their means, other than some younger families who have moved here from the Cities, who dazzle you with mighty riches, and now those are the homes in foreclosure... not the homes of the locals who have lived here and learned to only buy what they can afford. Lately you may have noticed it was our liberal leadership who pushed people to buy into homes they could not afford. They are trying to repeat the same mistake...only this is really no mistake on their part. The government will look to gather land and resources of this Country. Why? When the dollar collapses, that is where the only value will remain. The government is already renting out the foreclosed homes. Welcome your new Landlord. Land and Resources will be the new Gold Standard, and they will gather it up.

Today, almost everyone feels its acceptable to lie. Our leadership lies to us all the time, and think nothing of it. Today, people do not want to accept responsibility for their actions. Many do not even see themselves as responsible for anything they have done, and look to blame others. Again, that is exactly what you see happening with our leaders. I just watch Timmothy Geitner yesterday struggle to blame Bush, and the dog, and anything or anyone but himself. Obama still has not owned up to his responsibilities either, and his nickname is Oblamo. Fitting. Root of the problem is liberalism. The liberal government does not want you to have any self-respect or dignity. They have been dumbing down America and indoctrinating through education for years. The youth are by-products of this. Family structure was the first casualty.

Are you honestly concerned about the current backdrop of Armageddon? I guess I sense cynicism. But this is a very sincere subject and it is absolutely not based upon wild crazy doom and gloom, long bearded, poster carrying, sackcloth and sandals, sideshow freak stuff.
For your sake, I won't keep you in suspense. The world will end at exactly ---[ 6:66 GMT Friday November 13th in the year 2009 of our Lord.]

[dobry4u]

Hoggie... YOU ROCK! :thumbsup:

[Roadhog]

I believe there are loads of passages in the Bible that preach the opposite.
This is what trips up many people. The Bible can be read like any other book.
Only God and unlock the keys of Scripture which can open your eyes and allow you to read the Bible and understand it.
Only a relationship with God can allow you to receive Gods knowledge. Otherwise, they are just words, and will be misunderstood.

You will know if you have a relationship with God. With some, it is actually very strong, and strengthens the rest of us. It is a family form of government.

[Roadhog]

Hoggie... YOU ROCK! :thumbsup:
WOT?... http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/shrug.gif
It's not my fault...
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[Glad Hand]

What is hilarious to me about this entire mess is those same people demanding an investigation and blaming political correctness for Major Nidal Hassan's terrorist attack in the next sentence are always very careful to clarify that their statements have nothing to do with the rest of the Muslim community which according to them are peaceful and law abiding Muslims, even though they have no idea or clue what the texts and tenants of Islam actually inculcates. In other words, at the same time that they blame and condemn political correctness for the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood they also make sure to go out of their way to always be politically correct. It's amusing as hell to observe!

[Roadhog]

Yeah...their heads actually spin. :lol:

[Glad Hand]

Here’s an interesting interview of Robert Spencer on the subject of Rifqa Bary and the Ft. Hood terrorist attack. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Robert Spencer, he is a leading authority of Islam.

YouTube - Interview with Robert Spencer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdgW6dWVScA&feature=player_embedded)

[ssoutlaw]

This would have been an appropriate time to hear from the Muslims condemning this terrorist attack, as well as from President Obama. I still am hearing nothing, but a bunch of progressive liberals having extreme difficulty mouthing one simple word, [terrorist] but they can easily say, victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith. It makes me angry that liberals must protect their agenda over truth and justice.

I believe Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a Jihadist coward and a terrorist. I believe he based his attack upon radical Islamic religious beliefs. I do not care what his crybaby problems are, because none of it gives excuse for his well thought out, and executed brutal attack.

On a related point... I believe that everyone should have a fair trial, including those offenders that have abandoned their humanity.
I like this quote by Judge Roy Bean.

"Mr. Harden, it's my duty to inform you that the larceny of an equine is a capital offense punishable by death, but you can rest assured that in this Court a horse thief always gets a fair trial before he's hung." - Judge Roy Bean

I feel we should hope and pray to protect the Freedoms and Rights of every American citizen, and guest of our Country, individually and as a Nation together, no matter what their personal beliefs, long as they are not our enemy. I'm not seeing any cooperation or leadership, and I'm disgusted by how politicized and PC our military has become.

Long as the Islamic Americans do not condemn radical Islam, and Sharia Law that allows fathers to murder their own daughters on American streets, then I personally am going to have a hard time trusting any of them. Continuing to remain silent as they all did recently at their day of prayer in Washington D.C., then I have to question whose side are they on? They had a perfect opportunity to speak out to America and the world, and they remain silent today.

No I take that back, not silent, actually we have American Muslims praising the Ft. Hood shooting. This video is one that is still up on YouTube.
Some videos were so offensive, they have already been removed.
YouTube - REVOLUTION MUSLIM STREET DAWAH: 06-11-2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhHYiWCm8Gs&feature=player_embedded#)


Sounds to me like they want a fight, at least from watching the video link you provided! Hell, I say lets give it to them!!! Right in the heart of the homeland (USA) is this what they really want??? I think it is! So they can say see how the American people are. It still feels like they want to pick a fight, and it makes me so MAD!!! Just my opinion!!!!

[ssoutlaw]

The South was pretty conservative during that time. Southern Democrats of that day were more conservative than the most conservative Republicans of today. For the most part this country wasn't so violent as a whole. There were violent protests, but most of them were pretty tame. People were passionate. Whites were discriminated against in the name of equality and because of previous discrimination against blacks. No longer was the best qualified given the job. Blacks and other minorities were given preferential treatment in the job process. That is still true with many government positions. Lyndon Johnson's "New Deal" program started a very slippery slide into greater socialism and a reliance on government rather than taking personal responsibility. It was the beginning of a decline in social values. Drugs were rampant in colleges across this nation. Promiscuity was encouraged. The birth control pill helped push this along. It was rare for a woman to abort a baby and if a guy got a girl pregnant then they usually got married. Women burned their bra's in the name of freedom. More women entered the workforce and those who didn't were chastised if they wanted to stay home and raise their children. There was a lot of unrest. Many changes took place. Today's liberalism was born during this time. Those who marched and took their drug of choice are the same ones who are running our government. I suppose that explains a lot.....:confused:

I always thought that woman's lib was the point in which the family ceased to be!! Dont get mad ladies, I never have believed you should be barefoot and pregnant, or a slave for that matter!

[dobry4u]

I always thought that woman's lib was the point in which the family ceased to be!! Dont get mad ladies, I never have believed you should be barefoot and pregnant, or a slave for that matter!

I think it was the invention of the tv remote. I could be wrong :roll3: or NASCAR... Yep.. freaking NASCAR did it!!!

[Roadhog]

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/4954497.gif

HEY! ...wadda u got against NASCAR sweetbutt?
gimme a Beer while yer up.

ssoutlaw wants one 2.


....wimmin.

[GMAN]

I think it was the invention of the tv remote. I could be wrong :roll3: or NASCAR... Yep.. freaking NASCAR did it!!!


Well, before they invented the remote we had our women to change the channel for us. :rofl: Now let's not pick on NASCAR. It is just a bunch of boys who like to have a little fun. Of course, it was better racing on the streets with the cops in pursuit. :eek2:

[Windwalker]

Time to get my 2 cents in here???

I read a news article that one of the "clerics" in one of the Islamic countries stated that the attack at Ft Hood was completely within the Islamic Religion, because it was the Americans that brought war to their country. They seem to forget the reason for the wars was an Islamic group to begin with. 9-11 was not made up, and was not a ploy of the Bush Administration. Thousands of innocent people were killed by an Islamic group. According to their own belief, that would justify the war they are so strongly against. I suggest that the attack at Ft Hood is a parallel to someone that willfully commits murder, than claims temperary insanity. I believe he decided to follow a jahid of his own, and now is trying to get something like insanity to try to cover his own butt. And, one of the clerics stating that the attack is justified on the basis that Americans brought the war to their country, without taking into account the attack on our country that brought it all about should tell the whole world a great deal about their beliefs. An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, and if the hand steals, cut off the hand, should give us every right to turn the attack back on them. "ALLAH BE PRAISED, the Americans have been attacked, and thousands of them are dead. ALLAH BE PRAISED." But when the attacks and deaths are brought back to them, OH, THAT IS SO WRONG. I don't buy it.

And, to spare the innocent... I don't really buy this either. About the only ones that are innocent are the women. Their law nearly prohibits women from thinking for themselves. But, I don't believe that all the women are innocent either. Can't tell you how much there is to salvage, but I really don't think there's a whole lot. Even the children are indoctrinated at an early age. Try to reverse the brainwashing of the masses. In one sense, GOD may have had the right idea around 2845 BC. Drowned them all and start over.

[ssoutlaw]

I think it was the invention of the tv remote. I could be wrong :roll3: or NASCAR... Yep.. freaking NASCAR did it!!!


I believe you can add those also....lol

[ssoutlaw]

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/4954497.gif

HEY! ...wadda u got against NASCAR sweetbutt?
gimme a Beer while yer up.

ssoutlaw wants one 2.


....wimmin.


Naaa, I want the hard stuff, like a tattoo on the rocks!!! Rum that is....lol

[GMAN]

One thing the women's movement wanted to address is being able to do the same job as well as a man. We all have equal rights in this country but we don't necessarily have equal abilities. I think there are some things that women do better than men and other things that men can do better than women. Before the women's movement men and women had pretty clearly defined roles. I think that worked pretty well. Just look at the mess we have today. Women want to be men and men no longer know their place in the world. Men are no longer men. We have witnessed the feminization of men. :hellno: