Safety rating: what's yours?

[skrissel]

Hey ya'll,

I got a DOT inspection today on my truck. I was informed my safety rating is a 10 out of 100. Zero being the best, 100 the worst.

I was told that it showed up on his computer that I was 100% in compliance with CSA 2010. That's good news.

Does anyone else know what their score is? 10 sounds good, just want to make sure.

Thanks!!

-scott

[henboy1]

Hey ya'll,

I got a DOT inspection today on my truck. I was informed my safety rating is a 10 out of 100. Zero being the best, 100 the worst.

I was told that it showed up on his computer that I was 100% in compliance with CSA 2010. That's good news.

Does anyone else know what their score is? 10 sounds good, just want to make sure.

Thanks!!

-scott

Scott, I have never really understood the scoring, and when FMCSA2010 rolls out, hopefully I can understand the rating.My score at the moment on the FMCSA website is 94%.They have also recommended that when I drive by the "hencoop", an inspection on me is recommended.From what I learned, someone with 54% is satisfactory and my scroing of 94% is normal for a "new entrant.Quite confusing!
I was stopped in Tuscola, TX two weeks ago by a DOT.He checked every paper work you could imagine and also my logs.He even checked me out on his laptop.When everything came back clean, he walked around the truck and trailer and did a visual inspoection.He said he stopped me for not having a reflective tape on the back of the trailer.He gave me a warning and let me go.
I checked my score on the site this week and it was still 94%.I will have to have my local PSC do an inspection on me to to bring that rating to around 50%.This will put an "optional" inspection recommendation on my stats.
GMAN, shed some light!

[RostyC]

Insuf. Data

[henboy1]

Insuf. Data

"insuificient data" at the moment with an "inspection" recommended.When Jan. rolls around it wouldn't read insufficient, not when they incorporate my MVR, the heavy weight tickets and 2 out of service violations I recieved while hauling containers.

[Fredog]

Scott, I have never really understood the scoring, and when FMCSA2010 rolls out, hopefully I can understand the rating.My score at the moment on the FMCSA website is 94%.They have also recommended that when I drive by the "hencoop", an inspection on me is recommended.From what I learned, someone with 54% is satisfactory and my scroing of 94% is normal for a "new entrant.Quite confusing!
I was stopped in Tuscola, TX two weeks ago by a DOT.He checked every paper work you could imagine and also my logs.He even checked me out on his laptop.When everything came back clean, he walked around the truck and trailer and did a visual inspoection.He said he stopped me for not having a reflective tape on the back of the trailer.He gave me a warning and let me go.
I checked my score on the site this week and it was still 94%.I will have to have my local PSC do an inspection on me to to bring that rating to around 50%.This will put an "optional" inspection recommendation on my stats.
GMAN, shed some light!

any rating higher than a 75 is considered unacceptable and you will be recommended for inspection everytime
it's not fair they way they do it, if a company has 10,000 trucks and 5000 of them fail, they have a 50 percent failure rate, but if you have 1 truck and it fails, you are pegged with a 100% failure rate

[zipy46]

This 2010 system updates every month...

It could be very hard to keep this job from here on out.

One mess up and you are toast

[henboy1]

This 2010 system updates every month...

It could be very hard to keep this job from here on out.

One mess up and you are toast

Define "mess up".
What could happen to someone's safety rating with 1 an out of service violation?.Let's say someone with 4 trucks or just 1 truck?
I wonder if someone will really be toast with just 1 out of service violation.I also wonder what the "intervention" is all about?Kind of like Driver's ED to maintain your rating?

[zipy46]

HOS violation is like 10 pt

etc..etc

the 2010 website has a list of infractions and the points assigned.

Just run legal and safe and everything should be ok.

[mike3fan]

This 2010 system updates every month...

It could be very hard to keep this job from here on out.

One mess up and you are toast



the most points you can recieve from one inspection is capped at 30. not sure if this includes the 3x multiplier or not.

[Justruckin]

Mine was a 76, somehow an accident, from another company, with a driver with my name, wound up on my SAFER report. I was able, after many many months to get the accident off of my report, but the points stayed. That is why I fear this CSA2010 for you guys. Myself, I hung up my spurs.

[Sabine]

Where did you all get numbers on yourself, other than just adding points of what you remember from the last three years?

I have looked over the CSA 2010 website and am too blind to see it today....thanks for any help.

[Justruckin]

Where did you all get numbers on yourself, other than just adding points of what you remember from the last three years?

I have looked over the CSA 2010 website and am too blind to see it today....thanks for any help.

Carriers are already scored on the SAFER system. You can go look up your carrier here SAFER WEB (http://safer.fmcsa.dot.gov/)

The new CSA2010 rules will replace the above system, SAFER, for scoring a carrier. Drivers will also have their own scoring system, that will be carried just like your MVR. CSA2010 will go back retroactively 3 years on your driving record, any infractions you carry from the previous 3 years will go against your score. And I do not know if the 3x multiplier will be used on prior violations when CSA2010 goes into affect.

Here is a good site to get your juices flowing. CSA 2010 FMCSA New Carrier Rating System Measured by 7 Behavior Analysis & Safety Improvement Categories (http://www.csa2010.com/)

I called the man that created the site, he is also doing interviews with carriers in the 7 CSA2010 test states. It was a very informative conversation and curled my toe nails back at the same time. I am glad I hung up my spurs and am out of this racket.

[Sabine]

Thanks again. I looked over the link, but I don't think my attention span is long enough to read through this today. Secondly, while I only had one speeding ticket, and no others I can think off, I really don't remember all that has happened the last three years. I have had a couple of fix it tickets, would they count? No need to answer, just thinking out loud.

[rank]

rating is 27.

31 driver inspections and 24 vehicle inspections in the last 30 months. Anyone else had that many?

[chris1]

100 driver 49 equipment

[zipy46]

100 driver 49 equipment

100 is not good

My companies is 93

I see an intervention around the corner

[rank]

100 is not good

My companies is 93
LOL. I think he was saying that he's has 100 driver inspection and 49 vehicle.

That's a whole lot of inspections. Chris how many trucks? The most we've had running the US at any one time in the last 30 months is 3 trucks. We get inspected way to much for a rating of 27. I guess that's what you get when you cross the border in NY state 700 times a year.

[fl_char]

Where can one find their rating???? aybe I missed in the thread...

Charlene

[rank]

http://ai.fmcsa.dot.gov/SafeStat/SafeStatMain.asp?PageN=results

[chris1]

LOL. I think he was saying that he's has 100 driver inspection and 49 vehicle.

That's a whole lot of inspections. Chris how many trucks? The most we've had running the US at any one time in the last 30 months is 3 trucks. We get inspected way to much for a rating of 27. I guess that's what you get when you cross the border in NY state 700 times a year.

22 company +O/O's

[rank]

ahhh, that's why you've got so many.

[Justruckin]

Where can one find their rating???? aybe I missed in the thread...

Charlene

Post #12 in this thread, I posted the link to the SAFER rating.

[b00m]

My own company(im an independent) is around 75 vehicle and 70 driver.Not very proud of it right now,i can add.

I really try to improve this score since it starts to matter hugely to the more respected brokers .Right now, it seems that brokers don't care they just want their load moved,but if it continues for them to be hit with huge lawsuits like CH robinson was, you can expect this to play a huge role in this business.

In a way i think is good.It will eliminate all the unsafe,cheap carriers that bring extra competition and lower rates in this business.I still want to have my own business and do all my best in it.I definitely had my share of mistakes in this, but i know i have to improve in order to stay successful.

[rank]

You need to check to make sure the info is accurate.

My home jurisdiction (ON) neglected to include some some good inspections when they audited me. That made the difference between passing and failing the audit. NOTE: Always keep copies of your inspections.

And Safersys had us down for a fatality!

[merrick4]

Mine is not the greatest. The driver is 98.4 I think but the vehicle is "0". I've had 6 OOS but some of them wern't right.

One guy had a ticket from Virginia from many years ago and he was OOS just in Virginia till I paid the ticket.

The worst is the NW, they see a Florida tag and that's all it takes. Just had one last week, they went over that truck with a fine tooth comb, couldn't get a thing. But put the driver OOS for something in his logs. His hours were good too as he just came off a 34 hour restart.

Well revenue down, I guess they have to do what they have to do too.

[heavyhaulerss]

HOS violation is like 10 pt

etc..etc

the 2010 website has a list of infractions and the points assigned.

Just run legal and safe and everything should be ok.

it is not that easy. when you are not legal, you may not know it. one day a few years back, at a coop on i-65 s-bound portland tn. I had 1 marker light on top of my roof out. at that time the right ln north & south KY. was so rough, it would beat the heck out of ya. I don't know how I did not have more lights out. point is everything has to go out sometime. most likely it will not show defective when you check, but when you are hitting pot holes every 15 seconds like in detroit MI. sooo you check everything & all is o.k. you drive 50-200 miles & a light goes out & you get a roadside insp or scale insp. when I do my pretrip, I only replace what is defective. if a light is working I do not replace it. though that same light may go out in the next 5 min. what gets me is the d.o.t will not give you the option to fix the violation. you can show him you have a replacement light & the tools to replace immd. too bad. it was out when I checked. now it is on your record. this happened to me more than once. tires & brakes are a different story. those you can see when to replace before they are in violation.

[Justruckin]

And that was my main point regarding this new CSA2010 regulation that is about to hit you guys. This is an interesting thread to say the least.

[kotflb]

Sounds as if this new rating system is designed to put everyone out of business, especially the o/o and small companies. I can still remember a time when most scale houses would wave the larger carriers thru and stop ALL the o/o for inspections. But this time it may even get worse, because now, any badge carrying yahoo can take his/her frustration out on us. What's to stop the jerks of LEO's from making false reports at will. At least under CVSA, if we had an earlier inspection that day or week, we could show them the paperwork and be on our way. That may not work with this new system.

As OTR drivers, our life expectancy is already shorter then the population as a whole, now I wonder how much shorter it will be with this new added stress. :mad:


http://insurancenewsnet.com/article.asp?a=featured_pr&id=92166

[heavyhaulerss]

Sounds as if this new rating system is designed to put everyone out of business, especially the o/o and small companies. I can still remember a time when most scale houses would wave the larger carriers thru and stop ALL the o/o for inspections. But this time it may even get worse, because now, any badge carrying yahoo can take his/her frustration out on us. What's to stop the jerks of LEO's from making false reports at will. At least under CVSA, if we had an earlier inspection that day or week, we could show them the paperwork and be on our way. That may not work with this new system.

As OTR drivers, our life expectancy is already shorter then the population as a whole, now I wonder how much shorter it will be with this new added stress. :mad:


Trucking Insurance Industry Journal The Roemer Report: Trucker Life Expectancy 10-15 Years Less Than Average American Male - 3/11/2008 - insurancenewsnet.com (http://insurancenewsnet.com/article.asp?a=featured_pr&id=92166)

it does not matter when your last inspection was anyway. I was stopped recently twice within 4 hours. both in the state of AL. 1st in decatur & the 2nd in birmingham. when I told the 2nd officer that I just had an insp & showed him the paperwork, he replied... well I am usually more thorough on my inspections than other officers, especially some of the new guys out here. he was a veteran d.o.t inspector. he said he can find violations that others miss. he did not find anything. the delay pissed me off though

[GMAN]

Some states are becoming much more aggressive in their roadside inspections. It may get worse with the new rules coming into effect. I think it is much better to have a rating for the driver so that he can take responsibility for some of the things that may be found during an inspection. It could make some of them more thorough when they do their inspections.

[GMAN]

Scott, I have never really understood the scoring, and when FMCSA2010 rolls out, hopefully I can understand the rating.My score at the moment on the FMCSA website is 94%.They have also recommended that when I drive by the "hencoop", an inspection on me is recommended.From what I learned, someone with 54% is satisfactory and my scroing of 94% is normal for a "new entrant.Quite confusing!
I was stopped in Tuscola, TX two weeks ago by a DOT.He checked every paper work you could imagine and also my logs.He even checked me out on his laptop.When everything came back clean, he walked around the truck and trailer and did a visual inspoection.He said he stopped me for not having a reflective tape on the back of the trailer.He gave me a warning and let me go.
I checked my score on the site this week and it was still 94%.I will have to have my local PSC do an inspection on me to to bring that rating to around 50%.This will put an "optional" inspection recommendation on my stats.
GMAN, shed some light!


Having good inspections is supposed to help lower your score. The thing is that I am not sure that the passes are recorded as readily as the failures. I think that it takes about 30-60 days for things to show up on your score. It is better if you can get your score below 50. There is a forumula that they use but I am not sure how many people actually understand how it works. Perhaps with the new system it will make it much easier for most of us to see how various things can effect our score. The higher your score the more you are likely to have to pay for insurance. I have also gotten some loads due to my safe stat score. With the new scoring system drivers with higher scores are likely to find it more difficult to find employment. All the scale needs to do is to run your DOT numbers while you are entering the scale and they can see your score. If it is high then they are more likely to pull you in for an inspection. I believe with the current system your score could go down with time unless you have a bad inspection or something else that could affect your score.