How much per hour?

[jonp]

After 4 months on this account I figure I'm making about $16.50/hr. How much are you guys and gals making?

[Malaki86]

24.5% of whatever the load pays.

[jonp]

24.5% of whatever the load pays.

Ever stop and figure out what that comes up to on an hourly basis?

[Malaki86]

Nope - if I did, I'd probably want to put a gun in my mouth.

[Scoe]

Well, since everyone is paid differently at my employer and we are strictly prohibited from discussing each others wages, I can only speculate that one driver at my company with over 20 years of class A experience is making $20.64 and hour and $30.96 after 40 hours. That's just speculation though, and there's no way that I am that driver.

This driver usually averages about 50 hours a week too. All local work and home daily. But without a subpoena there is no way I could tell you who he is.

[jonp]

funny that with all of the drivers on this forum no-one has taken the time to figure out what they actually make per hour.

[Snowman7]

Jon they just dont want to look at it that way. They block it out.

That secret driver is doing pretty well Scoe.

We're all paid the same so its no secret.

57.75 cpm when driving, 22.85/hr when on duty not driving. My current run is about 45 hrs/week, 1390 miles, and grosses around $1300.

The longest run at my barn is around 60 hrs/week, 2780 miles, and grosses around $1900.

All our runs are night runs and home every day. M-F

But the bad part is I have to pay union dues so I know most of you wouldnt want it!:moon:

You know what really blows my mind? It's a very good job, a desireable job, and yet we still have miserable whiners who are never happy.:roll:

[Mackman]

18/hr OT after 40

[Mackman]

Jon they just dont want to look at it that way. They block it out.

So ture when i ran dry bulk i was paid by the ton. Worked around 65hrs a week for 700 gross. When i quit they wanted to know why?? I told them i avg. around 10/hr. Guess what they said to me. You cant look at it that way. lol the hell i cant:p

[CaliTrucker]

$17.50/hr. OT after 8 hrs a day and 2x after 12

[Mackman]

$17.50/hr. OT after 8 hrs a day and 2x after 12

2x after 12 WTF i need to talk to mny boss.

[belpre122]

18/hr OT after 40

I'm calling total BS on this one. This username has definitely been hijacked. I hope that the moderators look in to this soon. As we all know.........

.........that MACKPUPPY won't turn a wheel for anything but good old CPM!
More precisely 25CPM!!:clap:

It's a lifestyle!:rofl:

[cdswans]

Jon they just don't want to look at it that way. They block it out.

How true, how true.

At the risk of being called a hypocrite, all things considered, I can't complain. I truly enjoy what I do. That doesn't mean I think I'm being paid fairly or what my services are worth but only that my personal circumstances make my CPM situation more palatable. I have no regular home, no steady squeeze and a guaranteed comfortable retirement that I can neither touch nor screw up until I'm 60. (My father was a very smart ahole.) If I don't see 60, I have 7 siblings that will live that much better, so I'm out here running around where they can't find me. In all of my working life I have never enjoyed as much time off as I do now and I take it in places I never imagined I'd be. I lived in Maine for 46 years and don't need to get back every 2-3 weeks. So far this year, I've been back 5 or 6 times, 2-5 days at a time with 3 typical.

If I had home and family obligations like the American Dream anticipated, I certainly wouldn't and couldn't do it out here.

I generally don't cheat on my logs. The lone exception is some waiting time which, if viewed through different eyes, could be construed as working time but I log as "recreational" time because I don't want to consume my 70 unnecessarily and I usually spend it on personal pursuits, like this. Realistically, I make $16/hr for logged hours + decent benefits. As for my block out and denial, I'm away from home 168 hours a week, average $1000/week and therefor earn about $5.95 an hour.

As far as what I'm worth? I think I (we) should be compensated from the moment we get off "home-time" until the moment we get back on, including sleep (security) time, and our home-time should be based on similar guidelines to the other sectors under the umbrella of the DOT . . merchant marine, aviation and railroad. I actually figured out the dollar value and posted it in another thread. I'm not going to do it now but it worked out to be in the high 80's. I sincerely believe that the difference between what I make and what I should make could be substantially absorbed with minimal impact to consumers if my company was simply forced by economics to run my truck more efficiently.

[Mr. Ford95]

$17.50 per hour, no OT allowed currently. If you have OT coming your sent home early.

[CaliTrucker]

2x after 12 WTF i need to talk to mny boss.

Problem is I haven't seen a 12 hour day in about 2 years...Hell I've only had 2 weeks so far this year at or above 40 hours:(:thumbsdown:

[GMAN]

It can take a little more effort to calculate your hourly pay when you work otr. You need to take off that time where you are waiting or taking a shower or going to the bathroom. And then there is the time you spend eating or playing video games. If you want to accurately calculate your pay by the hour then you should only include that time where you are actually working.

[Malaki86]

Do you calculate that based on your actual working hours + driving before or after making log adjustments?

[jd112488]

who care what you make or why do you care what i make. i love my job. i pay my bills and do what i want when i want. why not be happy instead of looking for that thing in life to make you miserable.

[Fredog]

doesnt matter how much you make per hour, per mile or percentage, what matters is what you put in the bank on payday

[Snowman7]

How true, how true.

At the risk of being called a hypocrite, all things considered, I can't complain. I truly enjoy what I do. That doesn't mean I think I'm being paid fairly or what my services are worth but only that my personal circumstances make my CPM situation more palatable. I have no regular home, no steady squeeze and a guaranteed comfortable retirement that I can neither touch nor screw up until I'm 60. (My father was a very smart ahole.) If I don't see 60, I have 7 siblings that will live that much better, so I'm out here running around where they can't find me. In all of my working life I have never enjoyed as much time off as I do now and I take it in places I never imagined I'd be. I lived in Maine for 46 years and don't need to get back every 2-3 weeks. So far this year, I've been back 5 or 6 times, 2-5 days at a time with 3 typical.

If I had home and family obligations like the American Dream anticipated, I certainly wouldn't and couldn't do it out here.

I generally don't cheat on my logs. The lone exception is some waiting time which, if viewed through different eyes, could be construed as working time but I log as "recreational" time because I don't want to consume my 70 unnecessarily and I usually spend it on personal pursuits, like this. Realistically, I make $16/hr for logged hours + decent benefits. As for my block out and denial, I'm away from home 168 hours a week, average $1000/week and therefor earn about $5.95 an hour.

As far as what I'm worth? I think I (we) should be compensated from the moment we get off "home-time" until the moment we get back on, including sleep (security) time, and our home-time should be based on similar guidelines to the other sectors under the umbrella of the DOT . . merchant marine, aviation and railroad. I actually figured out the dollar value and posted it in another thread. I'm not going to do it now but it worked out to be in the high 80's. I sincerely believe that the difference between what I make and what I should make could be substantially absorbed with minimal impact to consumers if my company was simply forced by economics to run my truck more efficiently.

CD I agree completely with your take on things. You should be paid more, and I completely understand how you could enjoy your job. I like your comparison to other fields like merchant marine and railroad. Seems all three of these fields should be compensated more closely. They all require specialized training, carry great amounts of responsibility to the general public, and place alot of burden and stress on a family or individual with the constant time away from home.

[DaveP]

doesnt matter how much you make per hour, per mile or percentage, what matters is what you put in the bank on payday

Exactly.

I agreed to work for a percentage...and that's what I'm paid.
Too many variables to even think about what it works out per hour...every load is different.

[Snowman7]

doesnt matter how much you make per hour, per mile or percentage, what matters is what you put in the bank on payday

Whatever, if thats how you need to look at it. True to an extent but time is money. Time wasted is never recouped.

[TimberWolf]

We get paid by the load hauling fuel, so it varies I gave up on trying to figure it out as some days it is great and others not so much, As Fredog said it only matters what you put in the bank which always seems to keep the bills paid and the wife happy.
We pulled some ethanol runs out of Georgia this past month that paid $285 and took 11.5 hours to run.
We have one pump off run that can be done in 1.5 hours if all goes right and pays $58, another one takes 2 hours to do and only pays $42, so it all depends on the day and how smooth things are running at the rack, but overall it averages out to around $18 - $22 an hour. some weeks higher if business levels are strong.

Timberwolf

[Double R]

Average is $19.00/hr.

Have had weeks a low as $16.00/hr and as high as $27.00/hr.

How? Piece, stop, milage and hourly pay(delay time, some stops pay hourly plus stop, plus pieces)

Summertime and foodshow ship weeks are heavy and pay is high.

Jan-march is very slow.

And i log 100% legal(sp?)

And NO, I am not paid to sit in a hotel on my break on monday nights(but then again, neither is the business man in the next room)

[Mackman]

Whatever, if thats how you need to look at it. True to an extent but time is money. Time wasted is never recouped.


I hear ya snowman

When i ran dry bulk getting paid by the ton i worked around 60hrs a week. I make just as much working around 45 at the job i have now. So why work that xtra 15hrs for the same pay at the end of the week??

[TimberWolf]

Hey double R, Yea I bet Food Show week is a major pain in the ass.
That is the one thing I can say about Sysco is that they spare no expense on their food shows. Here in Orlando I always stayed at the nicest hotels along with another 1000 of their best customers at their expense, and then they always throw a great reception the first night Big dollars spent every year in every city that Sysco has a house in, I am sure they make it back twice fold... I always did love food show week...

Timberwolf

[Double R]

Hey double R, Yea I bet Food Show week is a major pain in the ass.
That is the one thing I can say about Sysco is that they spare no expense on their food shows. Here in Orlando I always stayed at the nicest hotels along with another 1000 of their best customers at their expense, and then they always throw a great reception the first night Big dollars spent every year in every city that Sysco has a house in, I am sure they make it back twice fold... I always did love food show week...

Timberwolf

It's a PIA. I am so glad that I run an overnight run on monday. My customers do not know what a foodshow is(chain account). That is two days(monday and tuesday) that I do not have to deal with the BS.:D

[VPIDarkAngel]

Even though I don't get paid by the hour, I average $16-19 per hour, usually working 50-60 hours weekly, gone Monday morning through Saturday night... for a mega-carrier.

[GMAN]

For those who are so concerned about being paid for every second of their time during the day, whether working or not, I think it would be quite enlightening to follow some of you around for a day and see how productive you really are. You are also a slave to the clock. Of course, it may not matter if you are not working each second that you are being paid.

I agree with Fredog. The only thing that really matters is what you put in the bank at the end of the week. It doesn't matter how you are paid as long as you enjoy what you do and you earn a decent paycheck at the end of the week. The only thing that should be of concern is whether you can pay the bills and enjoy life. It seems to me that some of you who tell us that you are making such big money working by the hour are not very happy. You want to convince the rest of us that you are making so much money but you sound miserable. Thanks, but no thanks.

[jonp]

I was just curious as to what people were making per hour at different companies for driving a truck. Lines 3 and 4. I go on line 4 when I arrive at the yard and do not come off 3/4 until I come back and go home. I find it odd that people are arguing that they don't care what they make. If you are comparing jobs between carriers it would seem to me to be a pretty basic thing to want to know. One carrier says .50/mile and you get 1,000 miles a week and another says .35 and you get 2,500 per week. Thats one way in otr. But if your home about every night like I am you can't look at miles because that dosnt tell you anything.

[Malaki86]

You can't do OTR as an hourly job - it just simply doesn't work like that. I get paid percentage of the load. I average $150-200 per day with an average of 350-450 miles per day. I'm home every Friday and leave Sunday or Monday, depending on the outgoing freight. There's also been days when I cleared $500 for a short haul, then turned around and made $100 for a long haul. So, hourly would be almost impossible to figure out.

[Snowman7]

For those who are so concerned about being paid for every second of their time during the day, whether working or not, I think it would be quite enlightening to follow some of you around for a day and see how productive you really are. You'd kill to have me as an employee. You wont find a more honest, reliable worker. But I dont think we could get along and I'd quit on you.

You are also a slave to the clock. Of course, it may not matter if you are not working each second that you are being paid. Slave is a strong word but I'm much less a slave to my job then the guy with a truck payment.

I agree with Fredog. The only thing that really matters is what you put in the bank at the end of the week. Um sure, If you dont have a life outside the truck.

It doesn't matter how you are paid as long as you enjoy what you do and you earn a decent paycheck at the end of the week. The only thing that should be of concern is whether you can pay the bills and enjoy life. Hey we agree!

It seems to me that some of you who tell us that you are making such big money working by the hour are not very happy. You want to convince the rest of us that you are making so much money but you sound miserable. Thanks, but no thanks. You're trying way too hard, me thinks GMAN is jealous. ;)

LOL your right I am miserable, until I read your load of crap and I cant stop laughing! :moon:

[dobry4u]

LOL your right I am miserable, until I read your load of crap and I cant stop laughing! :moon:

:thumbsup: pretty darn funny, ain't it! :rofl:

[cdswans]

It can take a little more effort to calculate your hourly pay when you work otr. You need to take off that time where you are waiting or taking a shower or going to the bathroom. And then there is the time you spend eating or playing video games. If you want to accurately calculate your pay by the hour then you should only include that time where you are actually working.

So, in Gman's world, he says "Heh, screw truckin'. I'm gonna follow all that good advice I've been reading here at Confused and Delusional and go sling slurpees at the 7-11." He dons his envelope hat and reports for duty and works his appointed shifts. At the end of the week, the boss hands him a check and that sends Gmans gears to whirring.

"Hey boss!" he hollers. "You got this all wrong! I've been keeping track of all the time I was actually waiting on customers and it only amounts to about half the time you're paying me for. Looks like I owe you some money!"

Reeling on his heels, the boss asks "Well, what about receiving the inventory and stocking the shelves?"

"On the house! I can't sell from an empty shelf, can I? If the register ain't ringin', nobody's making any money, right?

The boss gives Gman a quizzical look and asks "Gman, are you in anyway familiar with labor law?"

Gman replies "Heck no! Labor law, Schmabor law! It just wouldn't be right to spend all this time hanging out here in your store and expect to get paid for it. Heck, to earn this kind of money, I'm gonna have to put in another 30 hours, or so. That be OK with you, boss?"

"Do you have any lawyers in the family?" the boss asks.

"Nah! I'm from a family of truckers. Got it in my blood! Man, do I miss that lifestyle!"

"You didn't bump your head while you were sweeping out the storage trailer, did you, son?" inquired the flummoxed boss.

"No sir, boss and thanks for asking. No charge for that, either. It needed to be done and if not me, then who? Just happy to be of service, sir!"

"Congratulations, my boy! I'm promoting you to Assistant Manager!" beamed the boss. "Any chance you've got someone else at home looking for a new lifestyle?"

[Mackman]

So, in Gman's world, he says "Heh, screw truckin'. I'm gonna follow all that good advice I've been reading here at Confused and Delusional and go sling slurpees at the 7-11." He dons his envelope hat and reports for duty and works his appointed shifts. At the end of the week, the boss hands him a check and that sends Gmans gears to whirring.

"Hey boss!" he hollers. "You got this all wrong! I've been keeping track of all the time I was actually waiting on customers and it only amounts to about half the time you're paying me for. Looks like I owe you some money!"

Reeling on his heels, the boss asks "Well, what about receiving the inventory and stocking the shelves?"

"On the house! I can't sell from an empty shelf, can I? If the register ain't ringin', nobody's making any money, right?

The boss gives Gman a quizzical look and asks "Gman, are you in anyway familiar with labor law?"

Gman replies "Heck no! Labor law, Schmabor law! It just wouldn't be right to spend all this time hanging out here in your store and expect to get paid for it. Heck, to earn this kind of money, I'm gonna have to put in another 30 hours, or so. That be OK with you, boss?"

"Do you have any lawyers in the family?" the boss asks.

"Nah! I'm from a family of truckers. Got it in my blood! Man, do I miss that lifestyle!"

"You didn't bump your head while you were sweeping out the storage trailer, did you, son?" inquired the flummoxed boss.

"No sir, boss and thanks for asking. No charge for that, either. It needed to be done and if not me, then who? Just happy to be of service, sir!"

"Congratulations, my boy! I'm promoting you to Assistant Manager!" beamed the boss. "Any chance you've got someone else at home looking for a new lifestyle?"


Now thats funny lol:lol2::lol2:

[TimberWolf]

I have to agree with Gman, The bottom line for me is what goes in the bank account. Hours are secondary in my mind, however I came from a world where 80 hour weeks were the norm so working a 50 to 60 hour week is a cake walk for me.

Wow I agree with GMan, that is kind of like agreeing with Kevin...

None the less, Snowman I have an awesome life outside of my job, as I look at my job as just that a JOB (no big deal) it pays the bills plus....While at work I give 100%, when that tractor shuts off I am finished and I move on to a better world, my home & family... if I clear $500 a week I am very happy everything above that is bonus money for the future. The more hours I work the more money I make, For a 50 hour week I will easily clear $650 to $700+. Most of my days are 9 to 11 hours, 5 days a week with Sunday & Monday off. I have the mind set to work easy not hard. I make sure to enjoy what time I have at home and will always opt for an extra day off if needed as it can all be taken in the blink of an eye.

I know it is different in your world at UPS Freight as you guys get a range of both mileage and hourly pay, the dock/city drivers in Orlando are still hurting bigtime they are lucky if they get a 30/35 hour week, freight levels are still very low here. When it is working properly and you have gained senority your system is the best. It is getting to that stage that is the hard part.

The otr guys have it even worse sitting in a truck stop waiting for a load but not getting paid, one more reason not to add up the hours verus your paycheck amount.

I even enjoyed getting paid a percentage for my years at CCC, as some days I could be done in 8 hours and make $125 while other days I worked 12 hours for $160
It is what it is
all of it is secondary to my life at home.

Timberwolf

[freebirdrfd]

If i am away from my home, i should (and do) get paid for every minute. if you are sitting in a truck stop you are not home, you are working. If you are sitting at a loading dock or in traffic, or at a D.O.T. check, or broken down on the side of the road you are working. If you miss somebodys birthday, aniversary, or if you miss a holiday or graduation it's probably because you are working. As far as i'm concerned if you are responsable for that truck in any way you are working and should be getting paid. just my 2 cents.

[Fredog]

If i am away from my home, i should (and do) get paid for every minute. if you are sitting in a truck stop you are not home, you are working. If you are sitting at a loading dock or in traffic, or at a D.O.T. check, or broken down on the side of the road you are working. If you miss somebodys birthday, aniversary, or if you miss a holiday or graduation it's probably because you are working. As far as i'm concerned if you are responsable for that truck in any way you are working and should be getting paid. just my 2 cents.

so you get paid to go back and forth to work and for breaks and lunch? SWEET

[freebirdrfd]

so you get paid to go back and forth to work and for breaks and lunch? SWEET

Back and forth to work i am not responsible for the truck. I get paid for breaks and lunch. That's what getting paid by the hour is all about. Why work if your not getting paid?????? :confused:

[Fredog]

Back and forth to work i am not responsible for the truck. I get paid for breaks and lunch. That's what getting paid by the hour is all about. Why work if your not getting paid?????? :confused:


this is what you said
If i am away from my home, i should (and do) get paid for every minute.

I get for all the time I am in the truck, you can break it down anyway you like. hourly, mileage, percentage, whatever..

[freebirdrfd]

The original question was "how much per hour" ?????????????????

[Malaki86]

You get paid to sit in your truck at the end of the day and watch porn? Do you get paid to sit in the truckstop and feed the poker machines? Do you get paid to sleep? Who the hell cares what the hourly rate is? I don't WORK the entire time I'm in the truck, as does no one else here. I work an average of 8-12 hours per day, and that time is reflected in my paycheck that I receive, which I'm quite happy with considering that it pays the bills and leaves extra to "play" with each and every week.

[Fredog]

The original question was "how much per hour" ?????????????????

okay, my last check was for 2300.00 net.this is what I put in the bank, and it took me 4 days to make it, driving time was 30 hours total, so by the hour for just driving time was $76.66, hourly pay for ALL hours in the truck (53 including travel time home) was $22.77
I worked Mon-thru Thur, got home early Friday and am going back out this Friday
I dont know about anyone else, but this works fine for me
in case you are interested, it came out to .73 cents a mile after expenses.

[jd112488]

freddog..you missed the point. what we are being told is that if one is not paid by the hour then there is no possible way that you can be happy in life and you have no life outside the truck. the only true way to happiness is to get paid for all hours away from home. also i see that if one does not get paid by the hour then said person misses birthdays and anniversaries and what not. but here is where i get cornfused. i dont get paid by the hour..but rather by the mile. i love..that may be strong. i like my job, i have a great life, i have never missed any birthdays, etc. but how can this be as i am not paid by the hour. ok freddog..i guess i missed the point of all of this as well.

[freebirdrfd]

"If you miss somebodys birthday, aniversary, or if you miss a holiday or graduation it's probably because you are working"

Maybe you missed the word IF....... Oviously this does not pertain to you. pay attention to what you are replying to. I know my spelling sucks.....

[freebirdrfd]

[QUOTE=Malaki86;464681] Who the hell cares what the hourly rate is?


If you don't care what the hourly rate is, What the hell are you doing on a thread about hourly rates ????????????????? somebody asked a question about hourly rates, so THAT is what we are talking about. PAY ATTENTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smokin:

[freebirdrfd]

this is what you said
If i am away from my home, i should (and do) get paid for every minute.

I get for all the time I am in the truck, you can break it down anyway you like. hourly, mileage, percentage, whatever..

Let me try this again.. If you are on any line EXCEPT line 1 i think drivers should be getting paid... It has nothing to do about being happy doing what you're doing, it has to do with being paid for being away from your family and friends. I have done OTR and at this point of my life it's not for me anymore. Someday maybe me and the wife will hit the road together, but for now i'm happy being home for more than 2 days a week or 2 days a month.

[cdswans]

If i am away from my home, i should (and do) get paid for every minute . . just my 2 cents.

That's not 2 cents . . that's the whole buck.

[Fredog]

Let me try this again.. If you are on any line EXCEPT line 1 i think drivers should be getting paid... It has nothing to do about being happy doing what you're doing, it has to do with being paid for being away from your family and friends. I have done OTR and at this point of my life it's not for me anymore. Someday maybe me and the wife will hit the road together, but for now i'm happy being home for more than 2 days a week or 2 days a month.
so if you are happy with what you are doing, that's great, but just because it's right for you doesnt mean it's right for everyone else

[jd112488]

amen fred!!!!!!!!!!! this has been my point on this board since i came aboard to all of these guys but no one has gotten it so far. and if you miss birthdays and anniversaries because you are working, it is not because you are working..it because you either dont care about them days or are too ****ing stupid to take that time off....i am guessing it is the latter of the two choices.

[Snowman7]

okay, my last check was for 2300.00 net.this is what I put in the bank, and it took me 4 days to make it, driving time was 30 hours total, so by the hour for just driving time was $76.66, hourly pay for ALL hours in the truck (53 including travel time home) was $22.77
I worked Mon-thru Thur, got home early Friday and am going back out this Friday
I dont know about anyone else, but this works fine for me
in case you are interested, it came out to .73 cents a mile after expenses.

You deserve every penny too Fred.

I think we all do.

I dont care if its hourly, mileage, percentage, piecework or whatever but I will still weigh the amount vs the effort involved and I think we all do that.

I'm not against anybody's line of work I'm on their side. I ran on percentage for a year in a sleeper with a covered wagon staying out all week and home on weekends. I worked my tail off, long days, over my hours, whatever I had to do to average $1000 gross. I know what drivers go thru, 4 hr waits causing them to drive till the wee hours of the morning, skipping meals or showers to get it done. I'm just saying it aint enough. Nobody should have to do that to make 40-50 grand a year. I know some of people like the work and thats fine but wouldnt they like it better if they made 60-70 grand, which is what it's worth to me. Its a tough job and being away from home makes it tough on a family. Busting my azz in a covered wagon I made 50k a year and working 45 hrs a week M-F i make 60K. No brainer there. I will say I am extremely grateful for my job and I realize if I lose it I probably could not do as well. You wont see me bitching and whining like some of my prima dona co-workers. I learned of LTL thru boards just like this. And I'm still learning today. I pay attention to people like Mike3, OrangeTX, Bandits Cousin, and yourself. I also listen to Mackman, Double R, Jed. If need a plan B I know where to start looking and I know where to not waste my time too. I know others are listening to me and thats what these boards are for. Like Jed said its hard to use the word love but I like my job alot. We all have bills to pay and do what we have to. Its nice if you can be happy too. If I lost my job and all I could get was my covered wagon I'd do it again but unless I got a fat pay raise I'd be looking from day one.

Again, I'm not against anyone's chosen profession but the industry as a whole needs to pay better and clean up all the abuse of driver's time. I like the way CDswan tells it. I think he and I agree. Press on drivers, you all do a great job. (And Jed, If I ever did need another job I'd be interested in a good FXG route, you guys have way nicer trucks!);)

[freebirdrfd]

You deserve every penny too Fred.

I think we all do.

I dont care if its hourly, mileage, percentage, piecework or whatever but I will still weigh the amount vs the effort involved and I think we all do that.

I'm not against anybody's line of work I'm on their side. I ran on percentage for a year in a sleeper with a covered wagon staying out all week and home on weekends. I worked my tail off, long days, over my hours, whatever I had to do to average $1000 gross. I know what drivers go thru, 4 hr waits causing them to drive till the wee hours of the morning, skipping meals or showers to get it done. I'm just saying it aint enough. Nobody should have to do that to make 40-50 grand a year. I know some of people like the work and thats fine but wouldnt they like it better if they made 60-70 grand, which is what it's worth to me. Its a tough job and being away from home makes it tough on a family. Busting my azz in a covered wagon I made 50k a year and working 45 hrs a week M-F i make 60K. No brainer there. I will say I am extremely grateful for my job and I realize if I lose it I probably could not do as well. You wont see me bitching and whining like some of my prima dona co-workers. I learned of LTL thru boards just like this. And I'm still learning today. I pay attention to people like Mike3, OrangeTX, Bandits Cousin, and yourself. I also listen to Mackman, Double R, Jed. If need a plan B I know where to start looking and I know where to not waste my time too. I know others are listening to me and thats what these boards are for. Like Jed said its hard to use the word love but I like my job alot. We all have bills to pay and do what we have to. Its nice if you can be happy too. If I lost my job and all I could get was my covered wagon I'd do it again but unless I got a fat pay raise I'd be looking from day one.

Again, I'm not against anyone's chosen profession but the industry as a whole needs to pay better and clean up all the abuse of driver's time. I like the way CDswan tells it. I think he and I agree. Press on drivers, you all do a great job. (And Jed, If I ever did need another job I'd be interested in a good FXG route, you guys have way nicer trucks!);)

I don't understand how i can say MOST drivers are not being paid what there time is worth, and people gotta talk crap about how they love doing there job. That has nothing to do with being paid properly. I like my job and i also liked OTR, but sitting in a truckstop parking lot waiting for a load, or waiting at a dock and not being paid is not for me. My time is not free. It's funny how i can be sticking up for OTR drivers yet some still disagree with what i'm trying to say.:confused:

[Fredog]

amen fred!!!!!!!!!!! this has been my point on this board since i came aboard to all of these guys but no one has gotten it so far. and if you miss birthdays and anniversaries because you are working, it is not because you are working..it because you either dont care about them days or are too ****ing stupid to take that time off....i am guessing it is the latter of the two choices.

today is my anniversary and I am home

[Fredog]

I don't understand how i can say MOST drivers are not being paid what there time is worth, and people gotta talk crap about how they love doing there job. That has nothing to do with being paid properly. I like my job and i also liked OTR, but sitting in a truckstop parking lot waiting for a load, or waiting at a dock and not being paid is not for me. My time is not free. It's funny how i can be sticking up for OTR drivers yet some still disagree with what i'm trying to say.:confused:

well, a lot of the guys who arent paid as well as you make more money than you, so you arent going to convince them your way is better
and some drivers let companies walk all over them and take advantage, these guys usually have a reason they cant get a better job.

[Malaki86]

I was out of work for 6 months trying to find anyone hiring drivers out of West Virginia (none to be found). I ended up going back to the same company I quit because of it. I guess I could've went to McDonald's - I know they pay you for every hour you work...

[millersod215]

Well how's this for honesty, i make 50 dollars per load, run 3 a day, average 527 miles and am in my truck from anytime between 12 to 1 in the morning, and i'm not usually home until 4 or 5 in the afternoon. Alright let the bashing begin, tell me i'm an idiot, or what have you, and just to add icing on the cake, I typically sleep for 3 hours or more in a daycab mack vision, oh and at the end of the week i'm lucky to put 650 dollars in the bank. As far as i'm concerned, i'm happy doing what i'm doing, i've got a good system set up inside the truck where i can sleep comfortably, and i'm never over fatigued. I don't want to get off on a rant here, but i sometimes wonder why these threads are even started, so a guy like me can here all this BS about how stupid i must be to work like this? It's a job, i live in florida, which timberwolf can tell you is not the best place to find a job right now, and again at the end of the week I've enjoyed my job. So i'll leave everyone to do the average, by the end of the week i've spent upwards of 75 hours in the truck, and have grossed 800 dollars, i'll leave everyone to do the math on that, i'm sure it's pennies on the dollars. What ever happened to thanking the good lord you have a job at the end of the day, and are able to support your wife and family, to me those are the most important things, not all this bickering over 45 hour weeks at 20 dollars an hour, believe me i wish i had that life, but it's not my reality, and probably not the reality for most.

[Fredog]

Well how's this for honesty, i make 50 dollars per load, run 3 a day, average 527 miles and am in my truck from anytime between 12 to 1 in the morning, and i'm not usually home until 4 or 5 in the afternoon. Alright let the bashing begin, tell me i'm an idiot, or what have you, and just to add icing on the cake, I typically sleep for 3 hours or more in a daycab mack vision, oh and at the end of the week i'm lucky to put 650 dollars in the bank. As far as i'm concerned, i'm happy doing what i'm doing, i've got a good system set up inside the truck where i can sleep comfortably, and i'm never over fatigued. I don't want to get off on a rant here, but i sometimes wonder why these threads are even started, so a guy like me can here all this BS about how stupid i must be to work like this? It's a job, i live in florida, which timberwolf can tell you is not the best place to find a job right now, and again at the end of the week I've enjoyed my job. So i'll leave everyone to do the average, by the end of the week i've spent upwards of 75 hours in the truck, and have grossed 800 dollars, i'll leave everyone to do the math on that, i'm sure it's pennies on the dollars. What ever happened to thanking the good lord you have a job at the end of the day, and are able to support your wife and family, to me those are the most important things, not all this bickering over 45 hour weeks at 20 dollars an hour, believe me i wish i had that life, but it's not my reality, and probably not the reality for most.

been there, done that if you are happy and paying the bills, who gives a F*** what anyone else thinks.

[millersod215]

agreed

[cdswans]

okay, my last check was for 2300.00 net . . it came out to .73 cents a mile after expenses.

That's your truck on your authority, correct? I don't have any problem with that. You got to decide whether to take the load or to sit on your rear-end for a few days too, right? You get to decide how your income is apportioned just as any business owner should. You could have said .23 to you and .50 to repair and replacement. Congratulations and I wish you more of it.

I think it's very important to make the distinction between "Employee Owners" and "Employee Drivers". As an employee driver, I don't get to choose if and when the wheels turn. Using your example, you get to decide if it's .73/mile or .53 or .83. Mine is .37 (subject to some variables) and the only way my pay can go is down and 99 times out of 100, it goes down due to the inefficiencies and ineptitude of others. My point is simple: If I were being paid fairly for all of my time, that would create a strong financial incentive to eliminate I+I and there would therefor be a lot less I+I.

[cdswans]

You get paid to sit in your truck at the end of the day and watch porn? Do you get paid to sit in the truckstop and feed the poker machines? Do you get paid to sleep? Who the hell cares what the hourly rate is? I don't WORK the entire time I'm in the truck, as does no one else here. I work an average of 8-12 hours per day, and that time is reflected in my paycheck that I receive, which I'm quite happy with considering that it pays the bills and leaves extra to "play" with each and every week.

And if you woke up tomorrow morning and learned that the DOT exemption to the overtime provision of the Fair Labor Standards Act had been rescinded and your pay was going to increase 25% as a result, you'd what? Hang up your hat and go look for something else?

[Mackman]

Hey miller why you sleep for 3 hours in the cab?? Waiting to get loaded or unloaded or something?

[millersod215]

Waiting for the landfill to open, they're on central time, and i come from eastern time, so i typically get there by 2 am, and they don't open till 6 am. After paperwork and all is wrapped up, i set my little bed up, and usually knock back off by 3 am, life of a trash hauler:)

[Malaki86]

Ummm - again - I don't get paid by the hour - I get paid a percentage of what the load pays. So, whether the load pays the truck $10,000 or $500, I get paid the same percentage, whether it takes 1 hour to do the load or 5 days.

[Mackman]

Waiting for the landfill to open, they're on central time, and i come from eastern time, so i typically get there by 2 am, and they don't open till 6 am. After paperwork and all is wrapped up, i set my little bed up, and usually knock back off by 3 am, life of a trash hauler:)

Why dont you just sleep in and get there when the dump is open and not so early. Let me guess cuz there is a 10mile long line of trucks ahead of you.

[cdswans]

Ummm - again - I don't get paid by the hour - I get paid a percentage of what the load pays. So, whether the load pays the truck $10,000 or $500, I get paid the same percentage, whether it takes 1 hour to do the load or 5 days.

Sorry, I can't keep track of everyone. You're an owner?

[Fredog]

That's your truck on your authority, correct? I don't have any problem with that. You got to decide whether to take the load or to sit on your rear-end for a few days too, right? You get to decide how your income is apportioned just as any business owner should. You could have said .23 to you and .50 to repair and replacement. Congratulations and I wish you more of it.

I think it's very important to make the distinction between "Employee Owners" and "Employee Drivers". As an employee driver, I don't get to choose if and when the wheels turn. Using your example, you get to decide if it's .73/mile or .53 or .83. Mine is .37 (subject to some variables) and the only way my pay can go is down and 99 times out of 100, it goes down due to the inefficiencies and ineptitude of others. My point is simple: If I were being paid fairly for all of my time, that would create a strong financial incentive to eliminate I+I and there would therefor be a lot less I+I.
I have my own authority but right now I am leased to company and use theirs, luckily we have dedicated shippers and customers, and run the same loads regularly, so we always know how much we are going to make

[Rev.Vassago]

I pay attention to people like Mike3, OrangeTX, Bandits Cousin, and yourself.

Don't pay attention to Bandit's Cousin. He's a recipe for disaster.:lol:

[Orangetxguy]

today is my anniversary and I am home


HAPPY HAPPY to you and the better half Dave!!


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:


:bigclap:

[BanditsCousin]

Don't pay attention to Bandit's Cousin. He's a recipe for disaster.:lol:

Wow. Now if you can back that up with at least 2 solid factual reasons, you might sound intelligent.

[Rev.Vassago]

Wow. Now if you can back that up with at least 2 solid factual reasons, you might sound intelligent.
1. He gets business advice from Steve Booth
2. He plays with dog poop.

Those two things together equal guaranteed failure.:thumbsup:

[BanditsCousin]

#1 No.
#2. Possibly.

:)

1 for 2 ain't bad.

[Jumbo]

Why dont you just sleep in and get there when the dump is open and not so early. Let me guess cuz there is a 10mile long line of trucks ahead of you.

Because he loves sleeping across the seats downwind of a landfill. And sleeping across the seats in a Mack Vision. Try doing it in a Peterbilt daycab 5 mornings a week. I dont miss those days at all.

[Rev.Vassago]

#1 No.
#2. Possibly.

:)

1 for 2 ain't bad.

That makes you only 50% successful.

[BanditsCousin]

I still have my name on my door, and my dog's name on the passenger door.

Fail.

[Rev.Vassago]

I still have my name on my door, and my dog's name on the passenger door.

Fail.

Okay, now you're 33% successful.

[BanditsCousin]

Is it possible to be -33% when I announce that I quit my gig and leased on under Boothanoids authority?

[Rev.Vassago]

is it possible to be -33% when i announce that i quit my gig and leased on under boothanoids authority?

-3300%

[Fredog]

HAPPY HAPPY to you and the better half Dave!!


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:


:bigclap:


Thank you

[Fredog]

1. He gets business advice from Steve Booth
2. He plays with dog poop.

Those two things together equal guaranteed failure.:thumbsup:

I play with dog poop all the time, what's wrong with that?
funny how a thread about pay ends up being about dog poop:lol::lol:

[Rev.Vassago]

funny how a thread about pay ends up being about dog poop:lol::lol:

Many times, the two go hand in hand.

[RostyC]

ya'll need to quit talking s**t.

[millersod215]

Mackman, thank god for me my truck idles, so i'm able to keep the windows closed up, but i guess after a few years of trash you just get used to the smell. You're prediction about the line is right, i get there that early to be the first truck in line, get in, get out and go get another one. And for the other poster, i can't see how you could ever do it in a Pete, i barely have enough room to stretch out in the vision, but honestly there are days i sleep better across the seats of the truck then i do at home.

[jd112488]

not sure if my point was clearly understood. millersod, u told me what you make and told me you were happy. maybe i am confused...it happens alot. but you waiting for people to jump your **** about is wrong. if you are happy then i am happy. i personally would not want to do it but i find nothing wrong with you doing it. same as double r, i have absolutly no desire to do food service. that dont make it a bad job, it makes it a job i would prefer not to do..regardless of what it pays. truck drivers are funny. sit here and say that they dont make enough, dont get there due pay, are gone to long, etc. but yet they keep doing it and bitchin about it every chance they get.

and snowman...out trucks are faster as well..lol. if you see me comming in your drivers side mirror best be grabing ahold of the door, its about to get blowed off!!!

[millersod215]

Well i guess i only posted it that way because that's what i'm used to seeing, i like commenting on threads like these, but i get tired of the same old BS that a lot of guys on here have to say about the way some of us choose to work. I actually find my job to be interesting, and challenging a lot of the times, so i appreciate your outlook on it. Didn't mean to come off like i was the "pissed off driver".

[jd112488]

its cool. i am like you. i got really sick of the anti otr guys..you know who you are. i also get sick of the anti local guys. we all got jobs to do, hopefully we all get to do the job we want. if not hopefully we all got jobs that we can deal with till the one we want comes available. there is not one damn thing wrong with any otr driver or really any company in my opinion. if one can put up with the work and gets paid what THEY feel is fair then cool. i personally would not wanna haul trash or be in a daycab for 12 hours a day...but that is just me and is nothing against you or anyone else that does it. but millersod you been here long enough to know that not everyone feels this way. for some very strange reason alot of people on this board hate..witha passion...otr and everything and everyone that does it. i wish i knew why. how can anyone in this time fault someone for trying to go to work and do what they have to do to survive. but all you see on here is a guy saying he really needs a job and mentions an otr company. then it is on. otr sucks, you live in a box, you dont get paid to sleep, you are gone for weeks. i say good for you for actually doing whatever it takes to live up to your responsibilities. to all drivers, no matter what you do...thanks for all you do. ecspecially millersod and double r. without you too there would be no food at my resteraunt and trash piling up outside my back door.

[Double R]

its cool. i am like you. i got really sick of the anti otr guys..you know who you are. i also get sick of the anti local guys. we all got jobs to do, hopefully we all get to do the job we want. if not hopefully we all got jobs that we can deal with till the one we want comes available. there is not one damn thing wrong with any otr driver or really any company in my opinion. if one can put up with the work and gets paid what THEY feel is fair then cool. i personally would not wanna haul trash or be in a daycab for 12 hours a day...but that is just me and is nothing against you or anyone else that does it. but millersod you been here long enough to know that not everyone feels this way. for some very strange reason alot of people on this board hate..witha passion...otr and everything and everyone that does it. i wish i knew why. how can anyone in this time fault someone for trying to go to work and do what they have to do to survive. but all you see on here is a guy saying he really needs a job and mentions an otr company. then it is on. otr sucks, you live in a box, you dont get paid to sleep, you are gone for weeks. i say good for you for actually doing whatever it takes to live up to your responsibilities. to all drivers, no matter what you do...thanks for all you do. ecspecially millersod and double r. without you too there would be no food at my resteraunt and trash piling up outside my back door.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

I see you get it also. Nice job on the thoughtful response.

And with out drivers like you, how would I get my die-cast trucks delivered to my front door? Someone has to get the packages to the hubs:lol:.

[BoyNextDoor]

ok... here goes my point of view. been in all three situations. Started out driving for TMC, pulling skateboards. than went and worked for 2 different o/o's. (both of whitch screwed me over badly). Than b/c the ex-wife started complaining, i got a lcal job to be home more, only to divorce her ***** a couple months later. I wworked in food service, delivering to brooklyn every day for 1.5 years. now i got my own truck, and am leased on to haul containers. Would not for the life of me go back to local.

My rationale is, that if i have a problem with the way things are run, and the boss pisses me off, i have to kick myself in the head... lol. nobody tells me HOW to do my job, and I can appreciate myself by taking home a nice paycheck every week.

I also tried working in an office 9-5 type of job in IT, and man did i hate the 9-5 part of it... was bored and unchallanged 95% of the time. It's not for me. I hated it. so I got into trucking, andf found what i really love. I do it wih a passion, and I'm the best at it I can be. I strive to be the best at it,. and to be as professional as it ets, and that even in these economic times is a big value to employers. I work my butt off, anf get it done. in return i'm busy as hell, and get a nice paycheck every week. no growling from me, no sir... lol

Some ppl are ment to be on the road, as OTR drivers. Some ppl are ment to work for an hourly wage. Some ppl are ment to be told what to do, some ppl need a hiarchy in their workplace to have goals to reach. Everyone needs to find the thing THEY like, and the job THEY love to do, and do it with a passion. No matter what that job may be, they will strive, b/c they like doing it.

I myself when I was local i hated getting up at 4:30 every motning, and dealing with nyc traffic. I liked the physical part, where sometimes i moved about 5-6000 lbs oin a handtruck thruout the day, but it still didn't feel right... I missed the open road. when they ecided that they need to cut back on pretty much everything they can, i figured it's time for me to jump.

before i write a novel... don't be offended if someone makes more or less money than you... at the end of the day if they are happy the way they are, let them be happy. everyone makes that choiuce themselves. if you're happy fine, if you're not, get a different job. ppl who WORK and are dependable get a job no matter what... even in this economy. I'm happy in otr being an O/O. I like... er... love doing what I do, and I'll succed just b/c of that.

my probably 37 cents counting all the words... lol

Cheers

BND

[Snowman7]

OK group hug. Cmon get over here! (burp):booze:

[Mackman]

Cant we all just get along :lol:

[Double R]

Cant we all just get along :lol:

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

[Malaki86]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol:
Who the hell asked you??? Stay out of other peoples business!!!

[Fredog]

OK group hug. Cmon get over here! (burp):booze:


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[Double R]

Who the hell asked you??? Stay out of other peoples business!!!

Beware! I know where you live:lol: