The Truth About The Health Care Bill

[GMAN]

Michael Connelly is a Constitutional lawyer and has read the entire health care bill. He has some comments, not just about the bill, but also about the effects to our Constitution it would have. It's a much broader picture than just health care "reform."
All of you and those to whom you communicate had better sit up and pay attention; once this sort of thing happens, it will be irreversible.


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This blog concentrates on my concerns as an attorney about the imminent and growing threats to our Constitution and our form of government. We have reason to be very afraid of what is happening.


THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTH CARE BILL

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: fhe Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the bill and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The bill does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abo rtion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government-run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that


this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead, it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

The paragraph below is really frightening.

This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal health care information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have health care insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed "acceptable" to the "Health Choices Administrator" appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a "tax" instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there, though. The 9th Amendment provides, "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." The 10th Amendment states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Under the provisions of this proposed bill, neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation" to support the Constitution. If I were a member of Congress, I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html (http://www.archives.gov/exh%20%20ibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html)



And another to the Bill of Rights: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html (http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html) ;

There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us, if Obama and the left wing Democrats have their way.

Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor


Carrollton, Texas
mrobertc@hotmail.com (http://md32.embarq.synacor.com/mc/compose?to=mrobertc@hotmail.com)

Michael Connelly
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I also teach law courses via the Internet through colleges and universities worldwide. To find a college or university near you, go to Education To Go's website at http://www.ed2go.com/ (http://www.ed2go.com/) .

[bentstrider]

There's just too many people in the US for socialized medicine to be effective anyway.
It's already a pain that there's still a shortage of doctors and nurses, along with places to train/educate them.

[dobry4u]

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[Mr. Ford95]

I do not agree with forcing the citizens of this country into something many simply may not want or cannot afford to have. If they don't want it, make them sign a document that goes into a nationwide computer system that all doctors office's and hospitals can have access to. If they try and use the whole welfare thing, deny it. If they can't afford the bill upfront it doesn't matter, the hospitals and doctor's will work with you to get payment even if you can only afford $20 a month. They will take what they can get until paid in full, all you have to do is call them up when the bill comes in and discuss the situation with them. It should be my choice if I want to pay for health insurance or not. I currently have health insurance but if things get tight it will be one of the first things on the chopping block at $306 a month. Personally, I do not go to doctor's except for my physical or unless I'm dying. To me health insurance is useless but my wife goes for every little thing.

[GMAN]

One thing that has really surprised me through this whole debate is how many people initially jumped on the socialized health care bandwagon. I think that many of them have awakened and seen what is really going on. I heard a woman on the radio earlier today talking about this health care grab. She and a few of her friends decided to read through the entire bill. Each took a certain section and read through it. She and her friends were pretty scared about some of the freedoms this bill would take away from us. Those who want to continue to stick their heads in the sand may wish that they had taken the time to actually look at what is going on. Get a copy of the bill and read through it for yourself. People need to wake up.

[Ridge Runner]

I just wrote a good amount about this topic and it did not make it thru. I also now have problems logging in and also told my password is not valid. What the hell is up with that???

[GMAN]

I just wrote a good amount about this topic and it did not make it thru. I also now have problems logging in and also told my password is not valid. What the hell is up with that???


It is a conspiracy by the Obama people. Actually, Ridge Runner, I had a problem logging in yesterday. I don't know what is going on. I was about ready to send out an SOS.

[Ridge Runner]

Glad it was not only me. I was thinking someone didn't like what I was posting. :lol:

[kotflb]

There's just too many people in the US for socialized medicine to be effective anyway.
It's already a pain that there's still a shortage of doctors and nurses, along with places to train/educate them.

The reason for the shortage of doctors is the AMA. They prefer to keep the ratio of Dr/patients unbalanced in order to insure there members can charge high prices. Not to mention the cost of liability coverage and the fact that the insurance companies are telling them what procedures they can and cannot preform.

The reason for the shortages of nurses of 1: un-necessary BS they have to go through during training . 2: Being treated like they are stupid by the Dr's and hospital administration.

Ask me how I know? I was a Operating room tech for five years and I witnessed the crap that these highly skilled people were subject to. :eek2:

[Ridge Runner]

I'm going to try this one more time.... This goes so far past what our Constitution allows !!!!! It has been happening all along with the schools and such. If ANYONE can name one thing that the Federal Goverment has gotten it's finger into that didn't run into way more money than they (the feds) said it would and came out better for their intrusion, then I might re-think my position. I thank God that I live in a state that has passed a resoulition professing our 10th amd. rights. I'm ready..... are you???

[jonp]

The Truth: Everyone will be forced to pay for worse health-care and our taxes will go up while adding to the monumental debt our country has. There you go. Thanks Obama. By the way, they can go ahead and reserve a jailcell for me now. I will never pay for it. period.

[GMAN]

I'm going to try this one more time.... This goes so far past what our Constitution allows !!!!! It has been happening all along with the schools and such. If ANYONE can name one thing that the Federal Goverment has gotten it's finger into that didn't run into way more money than they (the feds) said it would and came out better for their intrusion, then I might re-think my position. I thank God that I live in a state that has passed a resoulition professing our 10th amd. rights. I'm ready..... are you???



I don't think these people care what the constitution says. They plan on doing everything that the American people will allow them to get away with. This would NEVER have gotten this far had the American people stood up for what is right a few decades ago.

And just look what happened this week in Ft. Oglethorpe, GA. The cheerleaders have been putting up a Bible verse for the football team to jump through at the start of their games. One mother of a football player took exception to it and they can no longer have their religious rights. These people need to be challenged. They are using words that are not in the Constitution and we have allowed it to happen. This is supposed to be a country where the majority rules. For several decades we have been ruled by the minority. I am encouraged that the people are beginning to find their voice. This administration is scared to death that the American people will take up arms against the government. I hope it doesn't come to that.

[GMAN]

The Truth: Everyone will be forced to pay for worse health-care and our taxes will go up while adding to the monumental debt our country has. There you go. Thanks Obama. By the way, they can go ahead and reserve a jailcell for me now. I will never pay for it. period.


This is all about power and control. They can't put everyone in jail. But, they may try. They can't house all those who are currently in jail. If this passes, I have no doubt that they will try to set some examples to scare the masses into submission. That is the way these type of people work. They get into office professing to change things for the people. In reality, they are doing everything that they can to destroy the people. I wish everyone would read this bill and take their heads out of the sand. :pissedoff:

[bentstrider]

The reason for the shortage of doctors is the AMA. They prefer to keep the ratio of Dr/patients unbalanced in order to insure there members can charge high prices. Not to mention the cost of liability coverage and the fact that the insurance companies are telling them what procedures they can and cannot preform.

The reason for the shortages of nurses of 1: un-necessary BS they have to go through during training . 2: Being treated like they are stupid by the Dr's and hospital administration.

Ask me how I know? I was a Operating room tech for five years and I witnessed the crap that these highly skilled people were subject to. :eek2:


So, too many lawyers in this country, too many greedy people, and then the classic scheme of people just not wanting to work together.

All in all, this could be a thinly-veiled form of population control when you get right down to it.

[GMAN]

So, too many lawyers in this country, too many greedy people, and then the classic scheme of people just not wanting to work together.

All in all, this could be a thinly-veiled form of population control when you get right down to it.


It may not be so thinly veiled. Statistically, older people will need more care than those who are young. They will require not only more health care but if they receive good care and are blessed with good health they will live longer which means that they will receive more social security benefits. If the government denies older people quality health care then they may not live as long and won't receive as much in benefits from the health care system as well as social security. It is to the benefit of the government to ration health care to the elderly and those who may need the most health care.

[Rev.Vassago]

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Best post ever.

[Fredog]

Best post ever.

I second that

[pigrider]

Man, where was all this concern, when we were fighting all these wars we could not afford? I did hear not one complaint about taxes

[GMAN]

Man, where was all this concern, when we were fighting all these wars we could not afford? I did hear not one complaint about taxes


There have been concerns about financing wars in this country. Those were considered necessary things that we must do in order to protect our country. There are many who would like to see us out of the Middle East. Nationalizing the health care system in this country is NOT necessary. I think most of us have concerns about the cost of war, not only in dollars but in the lives that war claims. We fight wars to stop our enemies. Fighting wars is constitutional. Protecting this country from our enemies is constitutional. Taking over health care is NOT constitutional. We have a constitution that these people seem determined to undermine. If you think taxes are high now, just wait and see what we will pay when this passes. The cost of all the wars that we have fought will pale in comparison to the cost of this health care takeover. These people have no desire to control health care costs. If they did they would address the real issues that push costs up. They are not likely to do that since that would actually solve the problem and it would take away much of their power. Government regulations and litigation are two of the major costs of high health care. Since they want control and most of these legislators are lawyers that isn't likely to happen. For those of you who think this is a great idea, you need to read your history books and start reading what is actually in these bills. And it might enlighten you to read a document we call the U.S. Constitution.

[bentstrider]

It may not be so thinly veiled. Statistically, older people will need more care than those who are young. They will require not only more health care but if they receive good care and are blessed with good health they will live longer which means that they will receive more social security benefits. If the government denies older people quality health care then they may not live as long and won't receive as much in benefits from the health care system as well as social security. It is to the benefit of the government to ration health care to the elderly and those who may need the most health care.

Well, if the persons old and is still remarkably healthy, then hats off to them.
Those that require hoses and tubes in order to survive as a vegetable into their 80's are too much baggage to some.

Oh, and on another note to the guy who said he was a former surgical tech, I've blazed through a Human Biology and Anatomy course in the past year.
Nursing seems like a tough field, but it's just something I keeping myself occupied with until I get with a good trucking company again.
Better than flunking the same college algebra class for 4 years straight.

[GMAN]

Well, if the persons old and is still remarkably healthy, then hats off to them.
Those that require hoses and tubes in order to survive as a vegetable into their 80's are too much baggage to some.

According to what Obama stated in one of his press conferences about health care, he plans on rationing health care based upon the individuals age and health. If you are too old or too unhealthy, you may not get as much health care as someone who is younger. Those who are younger have more time to work for the state and should receive more health care than someone who is older and no longer as productive. I am paraphrasing, but that is essentially what he said. I am surprised that the media didn't say more about it.

Oh, and on another note to the guy who said he was a former surgical tech, I've blazed through a Human Biology and Anatomy course in the past year.
Nursing seems like a tough field, but it's just something I keeping myself occupied with until I get with a good trucking company again.
Better than flunking the same college algebra class for 4 years straight.


You are taking nursing related classes to pass time until you can get a trucking job?

[bentstrider]

You are taking nursing related classes to pass time until you can get a trucking job?

Yeah, with no family life or other baggage like that, I figure this is one of the other ways I could kill time when not working at my security gig.
Not to mention these classes seem to be full of people who just want to learn it and get it over with, as opposed to the other ones filled to the brim with high school grads carrying on their lifestyle to the community college environment.

As far as the trucking job thing goes, it'll be three years since that rollover at this time next year.
With a spotless DMV and only that one accident from '07, I don't seem to have that much longer to get on with a well-equipped, decent company again.

F'ing Kids.

[flood]

Ok, this is worth every MINUTE (ONLY 4) to watch this! THIS HITS IT OUT OF THE BALL PARK ! AND IT ONLY has HAD 24,048 views

IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE VIDEO TAPES OF THE FLOOR OF OUR NATIONAL LEGISLATURE.

YouTube - Congressman Mike Rogers' opening statement on Health Care reform in Washington D.C. (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc)

[dobry4u]

Ok, this is worth every MINUTE (ONLY 4) to watch this! THIS HITS IT OUT OF THE BALL PARK ! AND IT ONLY has HAD 24,048 views

IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE VIDEO TAPES OF THE FLOOR OF OUR NATIONAL LEGISLATURE.

YouTube - Congressman Mike Rogers' opening statement on Health Care reform in Washington D.C. (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc)


Yep, that's my senator.... lots of adverbs and adjectives, and really nothing more than methane :tears:

[Glad Hand]

The entire purpose of the left’s so-called healthcare reform bill is not to reform healthcare to make it better and cheaper for everyone; it’s to turn the country into a massive Marxist/Leninist Socialist state.

The government option’s sole purpose is to force the insurance companies and the millions of people they employ out of business so that everyone, all Americans, will be put on the government dole and under the government’s control. It is an enormous, enormous power grab under the guise of healthcare reform.

Meanwhile the economy is in the tank and facilitating economic recovery should be priority number one, but Obama and his merry band of hardcore Marxists have been concentrating all of their resources and efforts instead these past months on passing so-called healthcare reform while people continue to be laid off in droves. However, if you are a leftist that is a good thing because it means more and more people will be forced onto the government’s dole and the more people dependent on the government, the better it is for the left, and that explains their motivations and actions so well.

[geeshock]

although I'm all for those in need getting health care, I'm one of em, lol. We need to really think it through. It's going to take much more time then I think this president has. There are so many variables that to get something going this quick would put our system up there with the other "free" health care systems.

[Glad Hand]

As far as the trucking job thing goes, it'll be three years since that rollover at this time next year.
With a spotless DMV and only that one accident from '07, I don't seem to have that much longer to get on with a well-equipped, decent company again.

Just curious as I have seen you mention this on several occasions. Apparently, I’m surmising you had a roll over accident while driving for Swift and you are waiting for the accident to drop off your DAC. Anyway, you seem pretty confident that after three years has passed that you be will able to return back to driving. I’m just curious…how do you know you will be able to return to the industry? Have you checked with Swift or any other recruiters to see if you will be hirable after the three-year period?

The reason I ask is because I know of two drivers that are currently driving today that both had rollovers in the past also. The first guy had to wait 5 years to go back to driving, however there was a death involved in his rollover accident, and the second guy just had to wait three years. Both of them went through Swift to reenter the industry and both of them drove for Swift subsequently for six months and then switched employment to better paying companies.

[bentstrider]

Just curious as I have seen you mention this on several occasions. Apparently, I’m surmising you had a roll over accident while driving for Swift and you are waiting for the accident to drop off your DAC. Anyway, you seem pretty confident that after three years has passed that you be will able to return back to driving. I’m just curious…how do you know you will be able to return to the industry? Have you checked with Swift or any other recruiters to see if you will be hirable after the three-year period?

The reason I ask is because I know of two drivers that are currently driving today that both had rollovers in the past also. The first guy had to wait 5 years to go back to driving, however there was a death involved in his rollover accident, and the second guy just had to wait three years. Both of them went through Swift to reenter the industry and both of them drove for Swift subsequently for six months and then switched employment to better paying companies.

Well, for one thing there were no fatalities/other vehicles involved in my accident.
Two, no DUI's, speeding tickets or other "simple infractions" that mar the record.
Three, it's kind of a hit/miss at this point because I've also to CRST(company I got my CDL through), Knight, Werner, Stevens, FFE, Central Ref., Heartland, Celadon, Southern Cal, and JCT among others.
They tell me that if it were the two backing mishaps alone, then they would care less, but that it's the rollover that they would need at least three years to get hired over, driving/not driving.
Also, hire/rehire with these companies or Swift would also be dependent on economic conditions and driver need.
So, seeing as if keep my nose clean for the next 1-5 years, then I don't see how this one rollover will trump what's a relatively clean driving record(the accidents show on driverfacts, but not DMV or DAC.)

And to close out this post, nursing seems to be the only thing one could really find a job at in most places(metro areas for fresh grads unfortunately).
Not to mention while I'm good at sciences, history, and English, I've just barely completed the minimal math requirement for an AA/AS.(Engineering track would take me 10-20 years on account of fails, drops.,etc)
I've been doing school on/off since 2001 and never gotten used to the feel of the college environment.
Essentially, trucking allowed me to keep to myself, switch places(I start feeling indifferent if staying in the same city for too long), and not feel like so much of an outsider.
Also, I could keep the same mailing address in one place and remain away from the home-domicile indefinitely. Other careers, it's stay one place for at least 1-2 years, then change addresses, drivers-licenses.
I don't want to settle down in one place is the point, with trucking I could be a drifter and still make money.

Okay, back to the Healthcare situation.

[Mr. Ford95]

I was talking with a buddy who's from Holland and they have much the same healthcare that Obama is trying to force thru. He said that we do not want it. What we have isn't great but it's much better than what is being proposed and that comes from someone who has lived with both systems.

[geeshock]

heh, well, if you go to cspan.org they have a link to the 2000 page bill in a pdf file. you have 72 hours to review it. how many have 3 full days to review and comment on this bill, lol. Although I like some things that they say will be taken of, including the doing away with pre existing conditions I can't give my blessing to such a change without at least reviewing the bill myself. BTW, am I the only one that gets mad when they introduce it as the democratic health care bill or republican health care bill? what happened to bi-partisan work on this bill?

[Glad Hand]

BTW, am I the only one that gets mad when they introduce it as the democratic health care bill or republican health care bill? what happened to bi-partisan work on this bill?

The reality is it is a Dhimmicrat bill, as like all the other bills they have passed so for since Obama became president they completely locked out the Republicans from participating in the process, and thus as a consequence no Republicans will support and vote for the bill.

You see Republicans were proposing real reform ideas like enabling insurance companies to compete across state lines to force price competition which would inevitably drive down healthcare cost, like making insurance portable, like tort reform, among other things, but those things were real reform ideas and not Marxist Leninist Socialism so the Dhimmicrats took offense and locked them out of the process.

In any event, if this monstrosity of a bill does pass, it will be the end of the USA as we have known it. The country is already bankrupt thanks to the government and it will just accelerate the day when the dollar will inevitably collapse forcing the government to fall, which is a good thing for the left since those loons all hate America with a passion and consider themselves not to be American citizens but citizens of the earth and the world instead, and they all really want world governance under the auspices of the UN, which is about the most corrupt organization in the history of the world. Not to mention that the UN has been hijacked by a coalition of Marxists and Muslims since the 70s, however the Marxists are the useful idiots of the Muslims and the Muslims will just simply take over when the time is ripe.

[Glad Hand]

Well, for one thing there were no fatalities/other vehicles involved in my accident.
Two, no DUI's, speeding tickets or other "simple infractions" that mar the record.
Three, it's kind of a hit/miss at this point because I've also to CRST(company I got my CDL through), Knight, Werner, Stevens, FFE, Central Ref., Heartland, Celadon, Southern Cal, and JCT among others.
They tell me that if it were the two backing mishaps alone, then they would care less, but that it's the rollover that they would need at least three years to get hired over, driving/not driving.
Also, hire/rehire with these companies or Swift would also be dependent on economic conditions and driver need.
So, seeing as if keep my nose clean for the next 1-5 years, then I don't see how this one rollover will trump what's a relatively clean driving record(the accidents show on driverfacts, but not DMV or DAC.)

And to close out this post, nursing seems to be the only thing one could really find a job at in most places(metro areas for fresh grads unfortunately).
Not to mention while I'm good at sciences, history, and English, I've just barely completed the minimal math requirement for an AA/AS.(Engineering track would take me 10-20 years on account of fails, drops.,etc)
I've been doing school on/off since 2001 and never gotten used to the feel of the college environment.
Essentially, trucking allowed me to keep to myself, switch places(I start feeling indifferent if staying in the same city for too long), and not feel like so much of an outsider.
Also, I could keep the same mailing address in one place and remain away from the home-domicile indefinitely. Other careers, it's stay one place for at least 1-2 years, then change addresses, drivers-licenses.
I don't want to settle down in one place is the point, with trucking I could be a drifter and still make money.

Okay, back to the Healthcare situation.

Thanks for the reply. I wish you the best of luck. By the way, what is driverfacts? You mean besides MVR and DAC there is another intrusive big brother organization trying to make driver's lives as miserable as possible?

[geeshock]

the thing is I am more conservative than left but I wouldn't suport a republican only bill any more than I would a democrat only bill. The idea is that they both need to come to an agreement on the bill.

[bentstrider]

Thanks for the reply. I wish you the best of luck. By the way, what is driverfacts? You mean besides MVR and DAC there is another intrusive big brother organization trying to make driver's lives as miserable as possible?

MVR is usually the equivalent of a CA DMV H-6 printout as far as I've been told.
And driverfacts is just like DAC, but probably cheaper or something.