Need to vent

[chris1]

Had an outside carrier pu a load of tires on the 16th in Commerce,CA going to MN. Supposed to deliver on sunday the 20th. As of this morning there has been no contact with the driver or the company. Most likely a going out of business sale on the tires. The joy's of working with 1-2 truck operations.

[chris1]

The tire's were all chinese. I think G-Man is involved.:)

[geeshock]

Sorry to hear. Could be that, could be that whoever it was decided they didn't wanna work for the company anymore and droped the trailer in a lot somewere and the owner is to afraid to fess up. Just hope the tires show up.

[chris1]

The carriers insurance has been trying to get hold of them since yesterday with no luck. Past experience doesn't bode well in these situations. The carrier is out of Boise,so if you hear of tires for sale cheap let me know.(after you've bought your share)

[Windwalker]

I tried a chinese-tire on my car... When the tread came off, it took out the signal light lens, and the left end of my bumper (plasitc, like so much of any car these days). $1000 worth of bodywork to be done to fix the damage. The only reason I went with that tire was because I had no choice at the time. Either that or run it on the rim. I think the rim would have been cheaper.:cry::pissedoff:

[bentstrider]

Commerce, CA, just another mini-city within the LA-area that serves as a strict, distribution hub for any and everything.
Depressing as all one can imagine when being stuck in that area.

If it wasn't for the outfit being out of Boise, I would've placed it on one of the many, no-name small-fry's that are concentrated in that area.

[GMAN]

The tire's were all chinese. I think G-Man is involved.:)

I wish those guys would hurry up and get here. I need a couple of tires. Seriously, I am sorry to hear about the load. Hopefully, you will hear something shortly. Maybe the driver decided to go by his house and take a week off. Was it a union driver? ;)

[chris1]

Just a couple of truck company. No answers on any phones. Got a security video of the truck and driver from the shipper,at least it was the right company. Their insurance won't accept a claim for 30 days or sooner if they are caught selling them. They were not chinese tires,just had to put that in for you.

[GMAN]

I would expect that tires are one of those items that could be easily sold, like cigarettes or alcohol. I remember being at a truck stop a few times in North Alabama and there always seemed to be a guy selling tires over the CB. He said that he got them from the Goodyear plant in Gadsden, AL and that they were seconds. I was always skeptical and never would buy them because I thought they might have been stolen. Apparently, quite a few others didn't feel the same way. He seemed to do a brisk business. There is a log of hanky panky going on in trucking, especially in some areas of the country. I have spoken to a few brokers who won't load a carrier unless they have been in business for a minimum amount of time. I talked with one who would not load a carrier unless they had a certain number of trucks.

[GMAN]

Just a couple of truck company. No answers on any phones. Got a security video of the truck and driver from the shipper,at least it was the right company. Their insurance won't accept a claim for 30 days or sooner if they are caught selling them. They were not chinese tires,just had to put that in for you.


Do they even know if it is the right company? Could someone have gotten their information and gotten the load acting as though it was this carrier?

[chris1]

Do they even know if it is the right company? Could someone have gotten their information and gotten the load acting as though it was this carrier?
That was our first thought. Phone,fax matches DOT info. Video showed the right name on the truck,just someone who was going out of business and saw a chance to leave a few bucks. The only thing at our end was one missed check call from the driver but that's pretty common.
It's a poor system that makes you wait untill long after the fact before you can report it.

[GMAN]

You may be right about them making a profit as they go out of business. I read something not long ago about some Russians getting information about companies from the federal website, booking loads, collecting the money and then absconding with the money leaving everyone hanging. I suppose one way to keep a check is to put a GPS tracking device in shipments. At least you could track your product until it was unloaded.

[chris1]

You may be right about them making a profit as they go out of business. I read something not long ago about some Russians getting information about companies from the federal website, booking loads, collecting the money and then absconding with the money leaving everyone hanging. I suppose one way to keep a check is to put a GPS tracking device in shipments. At least you could track your product until it was unloaded.
Don't know if it's the one you're talking about but one group hacked the site and created fake carriers that did the same thing.
The part i hate the most is i will have to pay out for the tires long before the insurance will. You make the customer wait for the insurance to pay you loose them. Not the first time and i'm sure it won't be the last.

[geeshock]

YEh, I've heard of some companies that haul high value loads that wont even tough a truck unless there is a way to track the truck and trailer. This is a good example of why they do that.

[GMAN]

Hopefully, the load will turn up so that you don't have to pay any money out of your pocket. A load of tires is some serious money.

[chris1]

Hopefully, the load will turn up so that you don't have to pay any money out of your pocket. A load of tires is some serious money.
One time i had an O/O who decided to increase the pay on a load of cheese by adding a few thousand lbs of pot to it. When it was loaded cheese was at an all time high,when it was impounded cheese had made the largest drop in years. The difference in what it was bought for and sold for was 56,000.00 (non-insurable) For a year afterwards people working at the shipper would come out and ask the drivers if they had any pot for sale.

[Jumbo]

Your first red flag should have been the name of the company Shady Transport, A subsidiery of Fly By Night Industries.

[Rev.Vassago]

I wish those guys would hurry up and get here. I need a couple of tires. Seriously, I am sorry to hear about the load. Hopefully, you will hear something shortly. Maybe the driver decided to go by his house and take a week off. Was it a union driver? ;)

He was probably a Socialist, and is waiting for someone else to deliver the load for him.:thumbsup:

[chris1]

Your first red flag should have been the name of the company Shady Transport, A subsidiery of Fly By Night Industries.
That can cover almost any O/O.:)

[chris1]

He was probably a Socialist, and is waiting for someone else to deliver the load for him.:thumbsup:
Someone said they spotted you with new tires.:)

[Rev.Vassago]

Someone said they spotted you with new tires.:)
I only buy American. :thumbsup:

[chris1]

I only buy American. :thumbsup:
Chinese was for G-Man,actually they are,were bridgestone and michelin.

[Rev.Vassago]

Chinese was for G-Man,actually they are,were bridgestone and michelin.
I'll take 8 please.

[RostyC]

Wow, sorry to hear to about that Chris.

[chris1]

After being bounced from one agency to another for the last seven days the CHP's CTIPS actually took a theft report. Only because i managed to get an agents cell number and when i called he recognized one of the names as a relative on a case he has been working on for the past three months. Part of the Glendale CA group that is involved in cargo theft and double brokering. The carriers insurance is putting up a fight as they are calling it employee theft which may not be covered. So friday i will have to pay-off the claim to keep the customer and hope the insurance pays later.
Kind of interesting that the FBI's cargo theft task force is only interested in theft's of over one million in value. It also took 40 minutes of the phone ringing before they answered. Nice to know the tax dollars are being used,maybe they could pay for voice mail at least.

[GMAN]

I am sorry to hear that you may have to pay the cargo claim yourself, Chris. It is a shame that the FBI doesn't want to get involved unless the cargo has a value of $1 million. Due to it involving interstate commerce it should automatically fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI.

[chris1]

There is no glory in solving a "minor" crime. They also have the least sense of humor of all enforcement. Now if it was a load of chemicals then they would also be interested.
If the insurance pays it will be months down the road.

[GMAN]

Perhaps you should have told them that the trailer had chemicals. ;)

[chris1]

I did say that the drivers name sounded like a middle east name.( i refrained from a non-political correct name)

[Fredog]

I only buy American. :thumbsup:

I just bought 8 BF Goodrich 444s exact same tire as the Michelin, but 100 bucks less per tire :thumbsup:

[Orangetxguy]

I only buy American. :thumbsup:


So.....which brand do you buy???

[flatbedder]

That can cover almost any O/O.:)

Not every owner operator or small trucking operation is crooked. Just because one does it doesnt mean we all do it. I think that most owner operators take pride in the service they provide, I know I do.

[Fredog]

Not every owner operator or small trucking operation is crooked. Just because one does it doesnt mean we all do it. I think that most owner operators take pride in the service they provide, I know I do.

me too, I am welcome back at any place I haul to, that's the only way it should be

[chris1]

Not every owner operator or small trucking operation is crooked. Just because one does it doesnt mean we all do it. I think that most owner operators take pride in the service they provide, I know I do.
You would be suprised how many don't.

[GMAN]

It only takes a handful of people to give us all a bad name. Just look at the urine bottles left in parking lots and along roadways. I have always tried to do the best job that I can. Most owner operators that I have known over the years seem to share my values about doing a good job. I have met a few who don't seem to care. I think that you can find that no matter what profession you are in. Since this industry has such high visibility, it is easier to see the problems caused by a few.

[BlooMoose]

Chris - sorry that you got dealt that crap. It's not just the trucking industry, though, in which a lot people take little pride in their work. I guess it's gotten where you can only assign to companies that you know and trust. It's a shame. I am glad that they haven't found the truck on fire and plowed into a government building or school. People do things for more than just profit, these days.

[chris1]

It's just percentages. Do enough and eventually you will have these things happen. I just hate that with the steps we take that it got by us.
I'm involved in a few other businesses so i know that this type of thing happens everywhere.

[BlooMoose]

I hope the best for you. What other businesses are you in?

[chris1]

Building materials and related.

[chris1]

Update
The carrier is up to 3 stolen loads in the LA area in two days including a load of pharms. out of San Bern. He also has over 120,000.00 in non-payments on a double brokerage scheme. At least CHP CTIP took the theft cases,the double brokering is a civil case.

[geeshock]

120k is grand theft isn't it. should make it interesting.

[chris1]

120k is grand theft isn't it. should make it interesting.

A lot of smaller amounts totaling over 120k. They are civil cases,most in small claims. Have to prove the intent before it's criminal.