NASCAR Fans????

[BobBski]

Great race tonight in Phoenix. Listened to it on Sirius...made an evening at the truckstop in Mitchell, S.D very enjoyable. Roush gets his 100th Nationwide series win when Biffle crossed 1st.

Mark Martin got his 3d pole of the year tonight for tomorrow nights CUP race.

Any predictions on tomorrows race????:bigthink:

[doublenickle]

I think Jimmie Johnson will be pretty strong looking for 4 in a row here

[Jackrabbit379]

There are a lot of NASCAR fans here.
I like it myself, but I usually find out who wins, after the race. :lol: If I had more time, I'd keep up more.

[Mr. Ford95]

My eyes are on the Busch Bros. Kurt's been pretty darn good at PIR and Kyle is coming around. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Junior's get their act together and sneak out a good run if not a win. Junior used to be hot to trot there.

[Blacksheep]

yup a 24 fan, taking my six year old to his first cup race at Chicagoland this year, He's a huge Jr. fan.

[BobBski]

Well, I'm sitting here at the Pilot in Boonville, Mo....got the laptop on and have "Raceview" turned on, National Anthem's being sung now....go get em 24 !!!! Although I wouldn't mind seeing Mark Martin get the win tonight either.

[Mr. Ford95]

yup a 24 fan, taking my six year old to his first cup race at Chicagoland this year, He's a huge Jr. fan.


Good thing they moved that race to a night race starting last year, won't be 95 degrees and completely miserable to sit and watch. Only be miserable sitting around all day waiting for the race.:)

[doublenickle]

Mark Martin won it, oldest driver to win at the track

[BobBski]

GREAT RACE !!!!! Congrats Mark...great job.:thumbsup:

[mike3fan]

Another embarassing run by the 88 team! Missing the chase in a Hendrick car is unacceptable and would hope that changes are forthcoming on the pit box.

[Mr. Ford95]

Having listened to the Junior's over the years on the radio, I don't see it being on the pitbox. Eury Jr. is very smart but that driver in the car continues to be a pr!ck when it comes to changes. He refuses to attempt to adjust his driving style to fit what the car is doing. If it isn't perfect he can't drive it. Eury calls for a change, Junior aborts his call a lot of times and calls his own number on the adjustments but Eury catches holy heck from the fans over it........Eury had the car setup for the night time but Junior wanted the car to be tighter in the daytime, said it was too loose. Eury told him to chillout and let it come to him. What happened when the sun went down, that car came alive. Unfortunately they got out of sequence trying to gain track position and it hurt them down the stretch by being a few laps short on fuel. Would have been a better finish had they not been wrecked with 12 to go.

Race itself was a typical Phoenix race, very little action with the field getting spread out and a lot of cars struggling. You run the track like a road course and last night it raced like a road course race. You want good racing, go to a race at Martinsville, every lap they are beating on one another.

[b00m]

Great race!Actually had the chance of being at THE RACE!!!:lol::lol:.This is the seconde race that i have been here at phoenix.And always with free tickets from my national guard unit!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[BobBski]

Having listened to the Junior's over the years on the radio, I don't see it being on the pitbox. Eury Jr. is very smart but that driver in the car continues to be a pr!ck when it comes to changes. He refuses to attempt to adjust his driving style to fit what the car is doing. If it isn't perfect he can't drive it. Eury calls for a change, Junior aborts his call a lot of times and calls his own number on the adjustments but Eury catches holy heck from the fans over it........Eury had the car setup for the night time but Junior wanted the car to be tighter in the daytime, said it was too loose. Eury told him to chillout and let it come to him. What happened when the sun went down, that car came alive. Unfortunately they got out of sequence trying to gain track position and it hurt them down the stretch by being a few laps short on fuel. Would have been a better finish had they not been wrecked with 12 to go.

Race itself was a typical Phoenix race, very little action with the field getting spread out and a lot of cars struggling. You run the track like a road course and last night it raced like a road course race. You want good racing, go to a race at Martinsville, every lap they are beating on one another.

Agree with ya 100% on the Jr/Jr...kinda feel sorry to Tony. About Martinsville...wife and I have gone to the Oct race for the last 5 years...same seats every year and it is a great race. !st year made the mistake of sitting too close to the track and couldn't see over the infield/haulers. Can't wait til october.

[BobBski]

Great race!Actually had the chance of being at THE RACE!!!:lol::lol:.This is the seconde race that i have been here at phoenix.And always with free tickets from my national guard unit!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Cool !! It was the Army that started my interest in NASCAR. 1973 I got free tickets from the Army to go to the Southern 500 in Darlington...been hooked ever since.:cool:

[mike3fan]

Having listened to the Junior's over the years on the radio, I don't see it being on the pitbox. Eury Jr. is very smart but that driver in the car continues to be a pr!ck when it comes to changes. He refuses to attempt to adjust his driving style to fit what the car is doing. If it isn't perfect he can't drive it. Eury calls for a change, Junior aborts his call a lot of times and calls his own number on the adjustments but Eury catches holy heck from the fans over it........Eury had the car setup for the night time but Junior wanted the car to be tighter in the daytime, said it was too loose. Eury told him to chillout and let it come to him. What happened when the sun went down, that car came alive. Unfortunately they got out of sequence trying to gain track position and it hurt them down the stretch by being a few laps short on fuel. Would have been a better finish had they not been wrecked with 12 to go.


Well thats not exactly the way things went down during the race. The car was too tight on the first few runs and if events unfold like they usually do in a night race the track would have gotten tighter as it got darker/cooler. They made adjustments to loosen it up and made it too loose. When they happenned to get lucky by making wholesale changes on one of the stops is when the car ran much better still was only a 12th place car at best though, which is typical of this season. When they got off sequence the car was still pretty loose but they had clean air and it ran it's fastest laps of the night, though still a full mph slower than the other top cars of the night.

Now this is why I think a change is needed at crew chief position, when they got out front and JR said his car was getting more loose the farther they went in the run he specifically asked Tony not to make any changes. Why he did that I have my own reasons why I think that, but it was the wrong call on JR's part and on the last run he was wrecking loose from the beginning and got worse from there. Dale JR needs someone that will call the shots and not take his BS. Pops had his respect and though he sometimes questioned his changes he never called off his changes like he does with Tony Jr.

I think it would be very difficult to work with a crew chief that is a peer of yours, you get into too much questioning of each others calls and Tony Jr hardly ever wins the bickering contest with Dale Jr. I have listened to Dale Jr's radio for every race of his career basically and he has always been testy on the radio(a chip off the old block I might add) but most of it is in frustration and I think he needs a strong older veterean type on the box to knock out his overriding what changes should be made to the car. I would love to hear him try that BS with Chad,Zippy or even a Bob Osbourne type.

Jr's my driver and I will stick up for him to the end, but I am not blind enough to think that he doesn't deserve some of the blame in this mess, but I think that a parting of the JR's is the first place to start.

[Part Time Dweller]

Another embarassing run by the 88 team! Missing the chase in a Hendrick car is unacceptable and would hope that changes are forthcoming on the pit box.

Actually, get rid of both Jr's and get a good driver and Crew Chief. I

know Dale is the souvenir champ year after year, and can get good sponsor $$, but he can't drive his way out of a wet paper bag. I bet Hendrick kicks himself in the ***** daily for getting rid of Kyle. :lol:

[Part Time Dweller]

Oh, great A $ $ is edited. And to think, Vassgo makes fun of Tnet for being over moderated.:clap:

[mike3fan]

Actually, get rid of both Jr's and get a good driver and Crew Chief. I

know Dale is the souvenir champ year after year, and can get good sponsor $$, but he can't drive his way out of a wet paper bag. I bet Hendrick kicks himself in the ***** daily for getting rid of Kyle. :lol:

How many drivers have won more races than Dale Jr. since he has been in CUP?

I'll answer for you, 4. Gordon,Stewart,Johnson and Kurt Busch.

sorry....hater

[ronjon619]

How many drivers have won more races than Dale Jr. since he has been in CUP?

I'll answer for you, 4. Gordon,Stewart,Johnson and Kurt Busch.

sorry....hater

I love race car smack talk. The super bowl could be on and the lounge is either watching a race or the sci fi channel.

[Scottt]

How many drivers have won more races than Dale Jr. since he has been in CUP?

I'll answer for you, 4. Gordon,Stewart,Johnson and Kurt Busch.

sorry....hater

How many wins in the last 5 years?? Ummmm 3??

Good website for Jr Fans Over88ted.com - Dale Earnhardt Jr - Nascar's most overrated driver (http://www.over88ted.com)

[mike3fan]

How many wins in the last 5 years?? Ummmm 3??

Good website for Jr Fans Over88ted.com - Dale Earnhardt Jr - Nascar's most overrated driver (http://www.over88ted.com)

Just don't let the facts get in the way of your agruement.

[Part Time Dweller]

Again, how many races has the souvenir king won in the last 5 years? Not counting fuel mileage races, you know, ones that he actually had to win on talent alone?

That's what I thought.:rofl: It's cool though if you want to back a loser, it is a free country.:thumbsup:

[Scottt]

The fact is Jr was winning races at DEI when DEI had their **** together and were ahead of the curve. Mikey Waltrip was winning a few too, so what's that tell you about how far ahead of the other teams DEI was at the time.

Now Jr is in the best equipment and is running at his ability level......midpack

First it was the evil step mother giving him 2nd rate equipment, and now it's the crew chief as the reason he can't win.

I don't dislike Jr, I just get tired of the Jr Nation that thinks he is the greatest driver to strap into a race car.

Overheard on the scanner a few weeks ago:

Khane crew chief -- "Sorry Joonyer, wrong stall again."
Almirola crew chief -- "Sorry Joonyer, not here either."
Joonyer Cuz -- "Seven more, five, three, eight, eleventeen, thirtyseventy, two, four, TURN RIGHT JOONYER, TURN RIGHT, I MEAN LEFT, I MEAN LEFT...Dang it, that dum someb**ch missed us again."

[Blacksheep]

yet he placed second at talladega, not bad for no skills, yes I'm pissed cause that tool in the 17 car wrecked my guy.

[Scottt]

yet he placed second at talladega, not bad for no skills, yes I'm pissed cause that tool in the 17 car wrecked my guy.


Second is the first loser.

He would of won if his spotter wouldn't of had his head buried in something.

[Part Time Dweller]

yet he placed second at talladega, not bad for no skills, yes I'm pissed cause that tool in the 17 car wrecked my guy.

Oh, you mean when the 24 tried to go 4 wide and came down on the 17? That was funny, except for all the good drivers that he took out with his lack of driving skills.:moon:

Wow, second place. I suppose that is good for a souvenir king, but let's see how many wins the non driver gets as opposed to his teammates for the year. Heck, even the washed up 3 time retired old man won one.

[Rev.Vassago]

Oh, great A $ $ is edited. And to think, Vassgo makes fun of Tnet for being over moderated.:clap:


Ass shouldn't be edited.:confused:


EDIT: And it isn't. You sure you didn't accidentally spell it wrong?:moon:

[Mr. Ford95]

Second is the first loser.

He would of won if his spotter wouldn't of had his head buried in something.


Scott, I'm not a Junior fan at all but what did his spotter have to do with him only finishing 2nd? He would have finished 3rd or 4th had Edwards not turned himself around. Junior was going to push Newman away from the field, which he did with the old divide and conquer move, separate them from the field so he could make his move and Newman wouldn't have any help nor neither of them have to worry about the pack blowing by them. His little tiff with TJ over the radio that you heard was nothing, they hadn't restarted yet and TJ was over standing beside Newman's spotter and told him exactly what Junior wanted him to say, GO, just F-ing GO as hard as you can and let's decide it amongst ourselves. They had no idea Edwards and Keslowski would get such a huge push like they did. Even when the final wreck happened, Newman and Junior had their own push off of 4 and looked like Newman had a chance to win still. It would have been real close but they had a big run coming once Edwards and Keslowski started dicing around and breaking their momentum. The spotter had nothing to do with him only finishing 2nd, the spotter isn't driving the car.

[Blacksheep]

Oh, you mean when the 24 tried to go 4 wide and came down on the 17? That was funny, except for all the good drivers that he took out with his lack of driving skills.:moon:

Wow, second place. I suppose that is good for a souvenir king, but let's see how many wins the non driver gets as opposed to his teammates for the year. Heck, even the washed up 3 time retired old man won one.

If you say so, 17 sucks.

[Syncrosonix]

nascar sucks.

i fixed it for ya. :)

[bigrigjoe66]

29 Happy Harvick is the man!

[Blacksheep]

Wow I'm lame. :)



Back atcha...............

[Mr. Ford95]

So what did everyone think of the 'Dega race? Kinda boring after the lap 6 crash until the end. Sounds like the end was fun. I missed it when the power went out with 35 to go and had to kick the radio on to listen in. MRN had no idea how to call that wild finish, everyone was stepping on everyone trying to tell the listeners what was going on and this is who it sounded from Barney Hall: "Coming to the tri-oval, Keslowski goes high, Edwards blocks, Keslowski ducks low, there's contact, Edwards is flying through the air....................we think Keslowski might have won...........Edwards is out of his car and running across the finish line." I was left going WTF just happened? Another MRN guy was right before Barney and was telling us how Junior and Newman had a huge run and just when Barney was supposed to take over the call all heck broke loose and you had the 2 guys in the tower making the call at the same time and the other guy down on the track still making the call, total chaos.

My thoughts, it should have been done years ago, build the fences taller at Daytona and 'Dega. There is no reason for the fence at 'Dega to only be 14 ft tall. Edwards car standing on it's nose was as high as the top of the fence, they got lucky that Newman only nerfed him in the left rear instead of hitting him square in the front end. Had that happened, it would have catapulted Edwards up and over the fence. NASCAR knows these cars can fly sky high, Rusty proved that twice within a year. His horrible tumble coming to the checkers at 'Dega back in like 1993 where he broke his hand, he got at least 20 ft high at one point. Did the same thing on the backstretch in the 500, tumbled 11 times and at one point was again at least 20 ft high. Sadler's rough looking flip in the #38 back in what, 2005? He would have cleared the catch fence with ease. Or Tony Stewart's flip in the 2001 500, he got high enough in the air that half the pack raced by underneath of him before landing on his teammate's roof. Bobby Labonte was running 35th at the time.

I do not think they need to change the plates to a smaller size or the tracks itself at all, just build the fences higher. While they are at it, they should look at removing the yellow line rule on the last lap only from Turn 4 to the Checkers. It used to be that way in the Truck Series at Daytona and they didn't have any bad crashes coming to the line. While on TWIN, Waltrip said the crash wasn't because of the yellow line rule, total NASCAR blowhard. Keslowski said it himself, the yellow line rule made that deal happen. Had it not been for that rule, he would have gone to the apron to not wreck Edwards while also drawing up alongside of him the rest of the way.

[Syncrosonix]

i want your butt...............

dude.....

[Part Time Dweller]

dude.....

That explains Blacksheep being a 24 fan.:smokin:

[Blacksheep]

will you be homosexual with me ? that's how I roll.

no thank you.

[Blacksheep]

can you be gay with me too ?.:smokin:

no thank you..........

[Blacksheep]

are we done now part time d ousche and syncroloser ?

[Syncrosonix]

are we done now part time d ousche and syncroloser ?

may i come to your black panther party?

by the way, i heard dale jr. is a closet case, gets gay with jeff gordon, and that danica patrick can race circles around the both of them. is this true?

[Scottt]

.......

[Blacksheep]

may i come to your black panther party?

by the way, i heard dale jr. is a closet case, gets gay with jeff gordon, and that danica patrick can race circles around the both of them. is this true?


Are you speaking from experience ? If you're not into racing why post d ick head stuff ? unless you're a troll........

[Syncrosonix]

Are you speaking from experience ? If you're not into racing why post d ick head stuff ? unless you're a troll........

i hate on nascar because it's a bunch of redneck and trailer park trash they cater to. i prefer european automobiles and racing. rally cross is awesome, so is the le mans grand prix, and lets face it, european automobiles ROFLstomp their american competition.

oh, it's fun to troll.

[Mr. Ford95]

Wait, NASCAR caters to rednecks and trailer trash these days? Sy, where have you been, they DO NOT cater to those, they have sold out to the social elite. They started the sell out in the late 90's when the sport started to become mainstream in the US instead of regional. They started cleaning up the drivers so that they didn't look like a hillbilly. The teams these days have contracts on how you can friggin dress and stuff while at the track. The drivers are supposed to act like robots instead of just trying to have a good time and enjoy what they do due to the sponsors that spend big money on their team. Ticket prices are ridiculous high, while they aren't $200 a pop like F1 at Indy was, they are still double what they were just 15 years ago. I have ticket stubs from Richmond from 1993, ticket price, $40, same seats in 2005, $80, 2009, $85. They have slowly priced out the "rednecks" and "trailer trash."

You ought take that racist attitude on somewhere else instead of putting down someone you don't know with that redneck, trailer trash comment. That's not cool and being that I'm from a NASCAR family, I sure don't appreciate it considering I don't live in a trailer and my neck isn't red but becuase I'm from the country and like NASCAR I'm still considered a redneck.

[Syncrosonix]

racist? i am an equal opportunity hater.

[mike3fan]

They started cleaning up the drivers so that they didn't look like a hillbilly. The teams these days have contracts on how you can friggin dress and stuff while at the track. The drivers are supposed to act like robots instead of just trying to have a good time and enjoy what they do due to the sponsors that spend big money on their team.

Jeff Burton disagrees with you.

NASCAR fans explain yourself to Jeff Burton | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com (http://hamptonroads.com/2009/05/nascar-fans-explain-yourself-jeff-burton)

[Mr. Ford95]

Mike my comment was misinterpeted, the teams and sponsors, not NASCAR is what I was commenting on. The teams and sponsors have made these drivers for the most part like robots. They had to because of the sponsors, this sport is so sponsor driven that you have to do what the sponsor says if you want their money. Remember Terry Labonte's comments at Darlington back I think in like 2002 or 2003? He was saying how Kellogg's wanted him to race a certain way and telling him how his dress code should be while not in the car. While Jeff Burton has some good sponsors that don't tell him to watch what he says or how to drive or how to dress, there are other's out there that do. Why, because that driver is the face of that sponsor and any negative they put out, will look bad on the sponsor. Kellogg's wasn't too keen on Kyle Busch, he was winning races but his general attitude in interviews made him a bad spokesman for the company. I can guarantee, had Hendrick not shown him the door when he did, Kellogg's would not be on the hood of car if he was still in the 5.

As for NASCAR themselves, they allow the drivers to speak and somewhat act more freely than they did in the early 2000's. They were punishing drivers for stupid stuff back then. They got some backlash from the fans and NASCAR loosened up a bit. Remember Harvick's parking after a Truck race at Martinsville? He showed some raw emotion by going out and wrecking Coy Gibbs after Gibbs wrecked him at a short track of all places where you expect that stuff to happen. He was parked for the Cup race the next day for it. Jimmy Spencer was suspended for showing his emotions at Michigan by punching Kurt Busch in the nose. That was the first time NASCAR suspended a driver for "fighting." Mikey did the same thing to Lake Speed at the same track and he only got a fine. Earnhardt punched Mikey once in the same way and got a fine also. Lest we forget Mike Wallace's big fine for his animated and colorful discussion with Shane Hmiel following a wreck between the two at Rockingham in a Busch race? Because someone could have lip read what Wallace said, he was fined big time for it. You couldn't quite hear what he said, but you could lip read it for sure. FOX later apologized to Wallace for even showing it on TV since it was on a 5-10 second delay. So yes, NASCAR has toned things down and tried to get away from the whole redneck crap but they don't rule it with an iron fist like they were just 10 years ago.

[belpre122]

Excellent points Mr. Ford.

So what's the inside scoop on Mayfield and his drug ban?

[Mr. Ford95]

This Mayfield thing was shocking, I'd thought they would have popped Denny Hamlin first if the source is right. I'm buying Mayfield's excuse though, the doctor he uses also works with the NCAA and other pro sports. NASCAR has already said it wasn't alcohol or performance enhancing steroids, what else could it be besides him smoking some pot? I don't see him as being the type of guy that would do that, particularly after one of his team members was busted at Daytona this year under the new drug policy of which he fired him over it. As for the Hamlin comment, inside knowledge has seen some stuff with him that would lead one to believe he's juicing for some reason or he's very bi-polar. Fine one minute, then flipping out and wanting to fight the next while lifting weights.

[Scottt]

I have a few friends that work for Nascar Teams

Mayfields claim is he was taking RX Adderall and OTC Claritin Clear

Adderall is a brand-name drug psychostimulant composed of mixed amphetamine salts, which is thought to work by increasing the amount of norepinephrine and dopamine in the brain. [1] Adderall is widely reported to increase alertness, concentration and overall cognitive performance while decreasing user fatigue.

[belpre122]

Heh heh......I just have to wonder why a professional race car driver takes a drug commonly prescribed for Attention Deficit Disorder.:hellno:

Bet there have been a few snickers about that up and down the garage area. Maybe this explains a few things about Mayfield's up and down career?:confused:

[Mr. Ford95]

If it was an amphetamine then he is toast. That is one of the things NASCAR is testing for. Here is a list of what they test the crews for:

Seven different amphetamines, including methamphetamine and PMA, a synthetic psychostimulant and hallucinogen.

Three drugs classified under ephedrine.

13 different narcotics, including codeine and morphine.

Ten different benzodiazepines and barbituates.

Marijuana, cocaine, zolpidem, nitrites, chromates and drugs that can increase specific gravity.

If true on what he took, I can understand the Claritin, I take it everyday so my allergies don't act up. As for the Adderall if it's an amphetamine then yes, he broke the policy. The driver's are being tested for at least the above and then some. If Adderall does all the above, then it is performance enhancing particularly in the longer races where fatigue starts to set in. Now if he has a real life medical condition that requires the use of it, maybe NASCAR needs to investigate it carefully and not string the man up for something he can't help. It may not be right that he's taking it, but if it keeps him from having a wreck because of ADD and taking out a bunch of cars, I'd rather have him on it.

[belpre122]

If it was an amphetamine then he is toast. That is one of the things NASCAR is testing for. Here is a list of what they test the crews for:



If true on what he took, I can understand the Claritin, I take it everyday so my allergies don't act up. As for the Adderall if it's an amphetamine then yes, he broke the policy. The driver's are being tested for at least the above and then some. If Adderall does all the above, then it is performance enhancing particularly in the longer races where fatigue starts to set in. Now if he has a real life medical condition that requires the use of it, maybe NASCAR needs to investigate it carefully and not string the man up for something he can't help. It may not be right that he's taking it, but if it keeps him from having a wreck because of ADD and taking out a bunch of cars, I'd rather have him on it.

Seems as though you have taken a solid look at the angles by which Mayfield had this drug in his system. If it was indeed a prescribed drug, should it have therefore been allowed? Or, was the use of this drug outright banned for any use. I think that is where we are at in this situation and there are many questions that are unyet unanswered. If Mayfield was legally prescribed the Adderall, then what is the problem? Is it the fact that Adderall itself is a banned substance? I guess we're not really clear at this point.

At the very least, I would hope that if I had any question at all regarding a drug, prescribed or over-the-counter, that information should have been immediately forwarded to NASCAR for an official answer. The time at which you pee in to the cup is much much too late. Cow's already out of the barn by then.

I can see this becoming a very interesting situation. What's your take O' Mr. Ford!?;)

[Mr. Ford95]

If Adderall is banned but another ADD medicine is available that isn't banned, why was he not on that if it is a health issue? He should know what is allowed and what isn't being a team owner, or at least I would think he should. NASCAR of course isn't going to let any details out it looks like. Anything that comes out is rumor or hearsay unless NASCAR does a formal press release on it with details. We can discuss it till we're blue in the face and it won't matter.

[belpre122]

He should know what is allowed and what isn't being a team owner, or at least I would think he should.

Yeah Mr. Ford, you surely would think that he would be keenly aware of what is and isn't allowed.

NASCAR of course isn't going to let any details out it looks like.

Yeah, they probably won't on an official level. Coincidentally, I had just read a magazine article about Adderall abuse on college campuses and in American society in general.

The effects of the drug seem to be exactly what a race car driver would be looking for as a "performance booster." It will indeed be interesting to see how this all pans out.

Be sure to keep us in the loop Mr. Ford.;)

[Mr. Ford95]

Big rumor gaining steam is that he did not test positive to any ADD medicine. Hearing the positive test was for Claritin D. A drug expert who went before congress is saying that if true, it would be a first that Claritin D came back as something bad on a drug test. I don't see how this could be dangerous unless he had the type that makes you drowsy. I only use the non-drowsy stuff that is a tiny 10 mg pill. Never came back as a positive drug test for me. Apparently though, Claritin D is also known as pseudoephedrine which is a banned substance in most sports even though it's normal use is for nasal decongestion. Could this be another one of NASCAR's silly little rules or policies that is written in pencil? Pencil so they can change it to whatever fits their bill for that day by erasing anything they want and re-writing it.

[Mr. Ford95]

Anyone catch Bill Elliott's little deal he had going on at 'Dega the other day? Tried to beat his track record in a Mustang. Didn't work out so well, blew a right front on the backstretch at about 225 mph and turned head on into the wall.

Bill Elliott comes up short in attempt to pin the needle at 'Dega - From th... - NASCAR - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/blog/from_the_marbles/post/Bill-Elliott-comes-up-short-in-attempt-to-pin-th;_ylt=Apy2vP9OIVS0Smb7R4bWxS_ov7YF?urn=nascar,16 3534)

After watching the video, maybe NASCAR should look some more into removing the plates, you could hear Elliott pedaling the car into 1. It would be racing just like all the other tracks, if you hit the setup your going to do well, if not your going to struggle. I of course like the big pack racing, it's a totally different beast, but if handling is brought into play at 'Dega, we won't see the big pileups because the field will get so stretched out as if they were on a cookie cutter track. Handling is already an issue at Daytona even with the plates, especially in the July race.

[belpre122]

Big rumor gaining steam is that he did not test positive to any ADD medicine. Hearing the positive test was for Claritin D. A drug expert who went before congress is saying that if true, it would be a first that Claritin D came back as something bad on a drug test.

This is going to get interesting for sure Mr. Ford.

IMHO...........Best part about it is that they have him off the track!:lol:

A rolling chicane, that hobo!!

[Mr. Ford95]

Well, "Little" France showed up at Lowes Motor Speedway yesterday to have a talk with the drivers and media about this incident with Mayfield. Basically, someone is lying through their teeth and apparently it's up to the fans and drivers to figure it out on their own. IMO, big mistake on their part. France said this wasn't a minor problem, it was a very major problem and when asked if it was possible the tests were tainted or tampered with, he said it was very highly improbable. In his words, their system works just fine. So, if France is telling the truth, Mayfield was not found positive for Claritin D or any ADD medicine. France clarified that if it's a perscription medicine they will talk with you about it and usually let it go.

NASCAR won't reveal substance in Mayfield test - NASCAR - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AnaFeOPdwYlX0HcSYGcKvZTov7YF?slug=ap-nascar-mayfieldsuspension&prov=ap&type=lgns)

I totally agree with Jenna that NASCAR needs to come clean on what he was on. The drivers are still scared straight even after their meeting with France and Dr. Black. Mayfield's fans(yeah probably only like 20 of them these days) even deserve to know the truth on whether they want to still pull for him or not.

**Mayfield was seen in the infield speaking with media during the All-Star before NASCAR found him and kicked him out. NASCAR has a lawsuit coming down the pipe over this, Mayfield says nobody ever talked to him on May 8th like they say and he never asked for his "B" sample to be tested again, like they say. Mayfield says he was told on May 7th that he had a positive test and then told a few days later that he was suspended. He went on to say that after the first talk on May 7th, he and his doctor started getting all the paperwork together to show NASCAR his 2 medications he was on at Richmond........this is gonna get nasty and NASCAR put themselves in this position by trying to keep everything a secret.

[belpre122]

Thanks for the link Mr. Ford.................. a very interesting article

" the positive result was not for a performance-enhancer, leaving a narcotic or controlled substance as the cause of the positive test"

The plot thickens. This situation sure isn't going away soon.

I just have to wonder why Mayfield is being so evasive. Something is very wrong here.:thumbsdown:

[Scottt]

Another impressive run by Nascar's Poster Boy.

Maybe Felony Motorsports can cry loud enough at the owners and drivers meeting with Nascar tomorrow that they will let him Win one soon.

[Mr. Ford95]

Is that all your good at? Criticizing? Forget how the 88 team did, they weren't the only one's running bad in the Coke 310 and for all the "bad" they have run this year, they are still in the Top 20 and still have an outside shot at the Chase. Nice to see how envious you are of Hendrick with that parting shot. For a second, I thought you were taking one at Stewart-Haas since Gene Haas got popped for worse, tax fraud. Hendrick was popped for mail fraud that came from the very top of Honda Motors. He was the middle man who got caught.

On the morning of June 19, 2006, Haas was arrested by IRS agents for investigation of filing false tax returns, witness intimidation, and conspiracy. Four others were indicted together with Haas. That's worse than what Rick Hendrick did, that's mafia style there.

Moving on, how about David Reutimann and MWR getting their very first win? Great call to stay out and hopefully it will finally get a sponsor to jump on with MWR and sponsor that 00 car for a while. Aarons did not want to do the full season but Mikey begged them to do a full season and pretty much guaranteed a win this year for them.

Not sure what to think of the Mayfield situation now. I suspect that by this Sunday night, the crap will have hit the fan of what NASCAR said was so bad since they were meeting with all drivers and crew chiefs today. That was said to be on the menu of discussion along with how to better the racing and to solicit views on changing some racing rules. Not everyone will be able to keep it secret on the Mayfield deal if they did discuss it. Mayfield got a lawyer and they were given some hard data in the form of toxicology reports. Since given those reports, everything has gone quiet from the Mayfield side............

[belpre122]

Hey Mr. Ford.......I saw on Yahoo that France had ruled out 'performance enhancing' drugs, leaving only recreational drugs.

My money is on ole Jeremy lighting up a big Bob Marley style joint.;)

Any thoughts Mr. Ford?

[Mr. Ford95]

My thought is Benadryl. I have the same type of allergies Mayfield has and if they get to really acting up even though I took my Claritin-D, I have to take Benadryl to get them back under control for a few hours. He, along with some other folks who know him and saw him at Richmond said his allergies got to going nuts, so he probably took some Benadryl to get them back under control. The downside to Benadryl is that it could possibly make you drowsy. Not everyone who takes it gets drowsy but it is a side effect for some people. Is a substance within it banned? Possibly but the man did what he had to do for health reasons. Remember the deal with Martin Truex early this year at Atlanta? He had gall stone's and ended up at the hospital. He had to pass them without any pain medicine to help him along. Per NASCAR's substance policy, he would have been in violation and would not have been allowed to race on Sunday. NASCAR told him he could take the medicine if he needed to, but if he did he was parked for Sunday.............I would have said let him take them and then give him a sobriety test right before the race to see if he is all there.

[Scottt]

Is that all your good at? Criticizing? Forget how the 88 team did, they weren't the only one's running bad in the Coke 310 and for all the "bad" they have run this year, they are still in the Top 20 and still have an outside shot at the Chase. Nice to see how envious you are of Hendrick with that parting shot. For a second, I thought you were taking one at Stewart-Haas since Gene Haas got popped for worse, tax fraud. Hendrick was popped for mail fraud that came from the very top of Honda Motors. He was the middle man who got caught.

Not criticizing at all, actually I found the in car shots quite funny during the race.

Sorry but you can't compare Haas and Hendrick. Haas took his punishment and served his time like a man. What did Slick Rick do?? Throw some money Bill Clinton's way and you get a pardon. How much did Slick Rick pay them Honda Execs so he could have the monopoly of the Honda market in the US? Oh yeah he bought them houses and fancy cars and threw a few hundred thousand around. You also forgot there was a little more than just mail fraud, don't forget he plead guilty to bribary too. Federal Mail Fraud and Bribary almost the same as a unpaid parking ticket huh.

Sure was funny too that as soon as he got the pardon his luekemia went into remission. Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Jr may have a new Crew Chief this weekend......WoooooHoooooo

I have this feeling that Jr will win at Dover, peace will reign over the land, Republicans and Dems will be holding hands singing kumbaya, North Korea and Iran will call Obama and admit that all they want is to be held tenderly, and KFC will stop making the nastiest fried chicken on the planet.

Yeah Jr is 19th in points but I don't see how he can get in the chase. He has Reutimann, JPM, Kahne, Vickers, Bowyer, Truex Jr ahead of him and he can't even beat them on the track so can't see him passing them in the points.

[Mr. Ford95]

Rick was going to serve a year in prison but his leukemia turned it into home confinement while getting treatment. Your an incredible tart for acting as if the leukemia was all fake to skip jail time. Just so you know, the pardon didn't come until 2000, 3 years after he was found guilty and after he had gone into remission.

Charlotte car dealer and NASCAR team owner Rick Hendrick has been indicted by a federal grand jury on a conspiracy charge, one count of mail fraud and 13 counts of money laundering. I see no bribery charge there.

[Scottt]

I see no bribery charge there.


In 1997, Hendrick pleaded guilty to bribery and mail fraud. In the 1980s, Honda automobiles were in high demand, and Honda executives allegedly solicited bribes from dealers for larger product disbursements. Hendrick admitted to giving hundreds of thousands of dollars, BMW automobiles, and houses to American Honda Motor Company executives. Hendrick was sentenced in December of that year to a $250,000 fine, 12 months home confinement (instead of prison, due to his leukemia), three years probation, and to have no involvement with Hendrick Automotive Group or Hendrick Motorsports during his year of confinement. In December of 2000, Hendrick received a full pardon from President Clinton

[Mr. Ford95]

Funny, everything I read says he never plead guilty to Bribery, he plead guilty to lesser charges. He faced a bribery charge but it was dropped because there was no solid evidence of it ever happening. All the bribery stuff was "alleged."Honda executives allegedly solicited bribes from dealers for larger product disbursements.

Rick Hendrick: The King of Nascar | Newsweek Business | Newsweek.com (http://www.newsweek.com/id/109579?tid=relatedcl)
During the 1990s, Hendrick was diagnosed with leukemia (he beat it) and faced bribery charges in a dealership kickback scandal (he pleaded guilty to lesser charges and was later pardoned by President Clinton).

If you got your info from Wikia, then swing and a miss. That stuff can be edited just like the regular Wiki stuff can be. It cannot be believed as gospel.

In other news, Whoops of the Week has to go to Robby Gordon:R Gordon docked 50 points for failed inspection - NASCAR - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AiE1Xb.VHTqU9cOV8ukG41Xov7YF?slug=ap-nascar-rgordon-penalized&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Knowing rain was coming, Gordon didn’t pit with the leaders under caution and moved into third. The race was stopped five laps later because of rain.

Had Gordon not finished third, his car would not have been inspected. WHOOPS, should have remembered that illegal rear end before you decided to stay out to get a Top 3.:rofl:

[belpre122]

Yo Mr. Ford.....

My trucking M.D. degree not withstanding. Is benadryl considered a recreational drug? I thought that it was just used for allergies and as a sleep aid. I'm not sure.

I'm still sticking to the Bob Marley/Half-Baked 'Billy Bob Thornton' theory of a Cheech & Chong style night on the town. That stuff stays in your system for quite a while.

The entire situation is bound to come to a head soon..........

Your thoughts Mr. Ford?;)

[Mr. Ford95]

I guess it could be a recreational drug when abused, not sure why someone would use it that way though. It just makes me sleepy as heck if I take 2. The bad for me, it will sometimes leave me with a headache if I have to take more than 1 dose a day. You can take a dose every 4-6 hours per the label but I usually only need 1 unless it's real bad.

So Jr has a new crew chief, what's the over/under on how long before the fans start calling for McGrew's head once he takes over at Pocono? I say by the Chase cutoff at Richmond Jr Nation will be wanting him out as crew chief if the results don't improve much.

IMO, wrong person to put in there. They should have found a way to get Eury Sr to come out of semi retirement and set Earnhardt straight. I wouldn't be surprised to see MWR find a way to swipe Eury Jr away from Hendrick. Mikey really liked him as a crew chief and would love to have him back as his crew chief. The reason Mikey ran so well while Jr didn't, as I said before, Eury didn't have the gonads to tell Jr to shut his pie hole. He kept letting Jr make the calls on what to change on the car. Eury used to be a car chief which means, he knows these cars inside and out. He knows what needs to be changed but Jr continued to call audible's and those audible's never worked. When he actually listens to Eury and lets Eury make the right changes, he runs fairly well.

[mike3fan]

It is now like it should've been from the start, a HMS guy calling the shots with HMS equipment. There are too many refrences to Tony Jr going off in his own direction and not working within the HMS mold.

The reason Michael ran well with Tony Jr is partly because they took all of the #8 cars.