Handguns in CMV

[Colts Fan]

Can someone please cite the regulation not permitting a concealed or open carry weapon in a CMV. Thanks.

[Malaki86]

There's no federal regulation against it. However, you have to have permits for each and every location that you'll be travelling through for the handgun. Also, some locations flat out deny any handgun permits, so you're screwed if you get caught with one in those locations.

Also, the carrier you drive for have their own rules that you must follow. If they say no weapons, it's as simple as that - no weapons.

[Colts Fan]

That's what I thought. Thanks.

[Sparks280zt]

Well,

What they dont know dont hurt'em!

Having a small glock or kimber would be hard to find!

[TomB985]

Indeed, sparks...would be very hard to find...

Which would make that felony weapons charge you incur if they DO find it suck that much more!:cry:

On edit: wikipedia has a pretty good page on state by state gun laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)

Looks like the vast majority of states wouldn't give you a hard time about it...but I'm sure there are places that would.....

[BIG JEEP on 44's]

Oh ,never mind... I miss-read the thread topic ,And though this was about getting something else in a CMV .

[repete]

There's no federal regulation against it. However, you have to have permits for each and every location that you'll be travelling through for the handgun. Also, some locations flat out deny any handgun permits, so you're screwed if you get caught with one in those locations.

Also, the carrier you drive for have their own rules that you must follow. If they say no weapons, it's as simple as that - no weapons.

31 states recognize a Ut. permit and most of the rest honor a Fl. permit(except NY) I have a NY and in the process of getting the out of state UT permit

[Sparks280zt]

38 states recognize a NC permit, I hear its one of the best to have.

[Malaki86]

Here's another good link:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

[Blind Driver]

Indeed, sparks...would be very hard to find...

Which would make that felony weapons charge you incur if they DO find it suck that much more!:cry:

On edit: wikipedia has a pretty good page on state by state gun laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)

Looks like the vast majority of states wouldn't give you a hard time about it...but I'm sure there are places that would.....

Never rely on Wiki for accurate information

[partssman]

I got mine regardless.

Better to be caught with it than without it

[Sparks280zt]

Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6!

[marylandkw]

Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6!
Could not agree with you more however the likelihood of you using a firearm to protect your life or someone else is far less than the chance you would accidentally reveal your firearm and some anti-gun person would turn you in. And if that happens in a place like California or Maryland may god have mercy on your soul.

[JerryDorlshagen]

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=60




A provision of federal law serves as a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel.

Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

[partssman]

Could not agree with you more however the likelihood of you using a firearm to protect your life or someone else is far less than the chance you would accidentally reveal your firearm and some anti-gun person would turn you in. And if that happens in a place like California or Maryland may God have mercy on your soul.


Fixed your typo :)

1. Anti gun persons....to prevent the accidental discovery or snitchin' by others, remember the three S's and apply them as needed to protect yourself, your family or property...

Shoot

Shovel

Shut up

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


Avoid the states that profess and practice the tenants of socialism

Ran across these...some are pretty good.


Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of ******ed sexual and emotional maturity." ("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud)

Admiral Yamamoto: "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Advising Japan's military leaders of the futility of an invasion of the mainland United States because of the widespread availability of guns. It has been theorized that this was a major contributing factor in Japan's decision not to land on North America early in the war when they had vastly superior military strength. This delay gave our industrial infrastructure time to gear up for the conflict and was decisive in our later victory.

Mao Tse Tung: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." (Problems of War and Strategy, Nov 6 1938, published in "Selected Works of Mao Zedong," 1965)

John F. Kennedy: "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

Larry Elder: "A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders."

"The thing that separates the American Christian from every other person on earth is the fact that he would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!" George Washington

[Useless]

Regardless of laws, many carriers forbid carrying a firearm in their vehichles, and many shippers / receivers do not allow weapons on their property.

Just sayin'.

Some drivers are going to do whatever they are going to do.

[belpre122]

Oh ,never mind... I miss-read the thread topic ,And though this was about getting something else in a CMV .

LOL Big Jeep!

I'm just surprised that Golfhobo hasn't found it necessary to share some of his misguidance on this subject! (or maybe I should have left well enough alone);)

I have always been of the opinion that what the US needs is truck drivers armed with handguns wandering around the country. (then I usually snap right out of my temporary dementia)

Why not truck drivers armed with handguns, and coolers full of beer?

[Skywalker]

I own several pistols, and some other guns as well....but none of them "travel" with me. In 15 years, I've never found the need for one. Been to some pretty dicey places...but still don't feel the need. Besides, every company says "NO". I've crossed into Canada too many times....never been searched, but I'll bet an internet buck that Canadian or US Customs could find it, if I was foolish enough to carry one.

The greater question is this: If you carry one, and you show it, are you bold enough to use it? Can you really shoot to kill? Are you willing to go down that road? Its easy to say yes.... but in reality, a lot of people who think they can defend themselves with a gun, show it then don't use it, and they then either lose the gun to the bad guy who shoots them and keeps the gun, or just get shot.

Personally, as the old saying "Discretion is the better part of valor" says....is it not better to be more discrete and careful so as to not find yourself in a situation that would require deadly force?

Yes, I know....there is always that "one time" thing.....but even in that instance, could you bring the gun to bear and prevail?

People are going to do what they are going to do.......

[TomB985]

Interesting post, Skywalker...

I remember you used to drive for CFI/CWTL, right? I remember someone in orientation asked that question, whether or not there was a company policy...I remember him saying that CWTL had nothing against it, if it was legal.

That being said, I've gotten false information from this same guy before...so not sure...

[Skywalker]

Interesting post, Skywalker...

I remember you used to drive for CFI/CWTL, right? I remember someone in orientation asked that question, whether or not there was a company policy...I remember him saying that CWTL had nothing against it, if it was legal.

That being said, I've gotten false information from this same guy before...so not sure...

I drove for CFI prior to the purchase by Conway. The CFI Employee Handbook had a very specific "prohibition" in it regarding firearms. On the other hand.... I knew of a couple of guys who did carry, but they were well aware of the fact that if there was a problem and they got into trouble for the weapons, that the written prohibition by the company would serve to pretty much indemnify the company and be the first step in a "hold harmless" defense in the event of litigation after the fact.

As to CWTL's policy.....I have no idea, and would be leery of anyone's statements.... I'd prefer to get it from the "horse's mouth". And since I have to presume that their trucks still enter Canada......I can't see them allowing it to happen. CWTL's Employee Manual should spell it out.

Sorry I can't be more help....

[TomB985]

Thanks for clarifying.

When I went through orientation there back in October, I had the option to either accept dispatch into canada or "opt out", which I chose. I heard through the grapevine that it's no longer an option for new hires to opt out of Canada, so that wouldn't be an issue for me.

For the most part, I do agree with you. The only time I've ever been in fear for my life was in another country, and me and everyone with me had automatic weapons...which helped a little!:lol: State-side, I've never felt that I needed a weapon for my safety, but I am a firm advocate for the right to carry. Anywhere. I think it should be an individual's choice whether or not to carry, NOT something restricted by the government.

Now, I am a gun owner, but I have no intention of illegally carrying a firearm with me. I say illegally because there are states that prohibit it, and many make it a felony. Simply not worth it to me. BUT...if there were some kind of way for it to be legal, I probably would.

As far as being able to use it, I think that depends on the level of familiarity with the weapon. There are many who see the idea of having a gun as a level of protection. The harsh reality is that if you are not intimately familiar with the gun's operation, and have it down to the point where you can operate it without consciously thinking about it, you are likely more of a hazard to yourself and everyone around you. If you are in fear for your life, you are NOT going to be thinking straight...and certainly need NOT be in control of a weapon that you may be unsure how to operate!

There are many who chose to carry despite the legal problems with it, and i take no issue with it. My only plea is to KNOW what you are DOING with it!!!

[belpre122]

Excellent post Tom. The AKO mantle back to you (for now).;)

[jonp]

let me clarify this topic: There is no federal regulation prohibiting the carry of a firearm in a commercial vehicle. I just went through this at orientation with jbhunt. The instructor said there was one and i immediatly corrected him. to his credit he looked into it that night and the next day corrected himself before the class.
The company you work for, as does jbhunt, may as company policy prohibiting it.

You may legaly carry a firearm from point A to point B no matter where you travel through as long as you do not stop overnight anywhere a firearm is prohibited and as long as you are legaly entitled to posses or carry that firearm in Point A and Point B and have it secured as proscribed by the different places you pass through. This typicaly means the firearm is unloaded, in a secure locked container or box and the ammo is in a different place. This is a Federal Law.

If you stop overnight anywhere then you must comply with local laws. For example if you pick up a load in Florida that delivers to New Hampshire and you have a Concealed Carry Permit for One of those states which is recognized by the other you can carry the firearm from Florida to New Hampshire provided you do not stop for the night in New Jersey or Mass or NYC. You can travel through those places but not stop for the night as your permit is not recognized by them.

If you stop to make a drop in one of those states on you way from Florida to NH it gets kinda dicey. I personally would not want to test the case out in court.

Most companies don't want you to carry a firearm for this reason: you just have no idea where you are going and stopping. What if your on you way between those two points and get shut down because of a snowstorm in New Jersey? You are screwed if you are searched.

Also, if you are traveling to Canada for heavens sake DO NOT HAVE A HANDGUN OR ANY HANDGUN AMMO! They will immediately seize your weapon, seize your truck and transport you directly to jail. THEY ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS!! I doubt your company will be impressed to have to pay $5000 to get the truck out of impoundment. You will be fined heavily, charged with a bunch of crimes including illegal possession of a firearm, importing an illegal firearm, transportation of an illegal firearm, possessing an illegal firearm while not a Canadian Citizen, transporting a firearm in a vehicle not registered in Canada, etc. and when you get out of jail they will escort you to the border and politely tell you not to come back, ever.

[TomB985]

Thanks Belpre...:bow:

I'll see if I can carry the torch as well as you have for these long weeks! :D

[TomB985]

And jonp,

Very informative post. What you posted is mostly what I've understood from some of the digging around I've done. But, maybe you have the one thing I don't...

A credible source?

You wouldn't have a link to this information, or a good source?

Thanks!

[jonp]

On carrying hanguns in a vehicle try here: Handgunlaw.us (http://www.handgunlaw.us/)

and here: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USRVCarCarry.pdf

handgunlaw.us is a great site to play around with to see the reciprocity between states.

As for Canada- I grew up less than a mile from the border and drove between New Hampshire and Wisconsin through Canada once a week for 6 years. I had many conversations with Canadian Customs about firearms as well as knowing one of the officers on a personal basis through moose hunting.
I can assure you they are not kidding about trying to bring a weapon into that country. In fact, thats one of the questions they ask you at the border: "Are you carrying any offensive or defensive weapons? Mace, firearms, pepperspray?" If you say no and they search and find one you just added lieing to a customs official to the list. The things I wrote down is a short list of stuff they will charge you with and believe me there is more.

Hope this helps!

[Windwalker]

On carrying hanguns in a vehicle try here: Handgunlaw.us (http://www.handgunlaw.us/)

and here: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USRVCarCarry.pdf

handgunlaw.us is a great site to play around with to see the reciprocity between states.

As for Canada- I grew up less than a mile from the border and drove between New Hampshire and Wisconsin through Canada once a week for 6 years. I had many conversations with Canadian Customs about firearms as well as knowing one of the officers on a personal basis through moose hunting.
I can assure you they are not kidding about trying to bring a weapon into that country. In fact, thats one of the questions they ask you at the border: "Are you carrying any offensive or defensive weapons? Mace, firearms, pepperspray?" If you say no and they search and find one you just added lieing to a customs official to the list. The things I wrote down is a short list of stuff they will charge you with and believe me there is more.

Hope this helps!
On one of my trips into Canada, I was asked about weapons. I started bringing up hammer, screwdriver, and the wife held up her knitting needles. Then, the agent in the booth clarified herself. "GUNS?" That we didn't have. But, you 're absolutely right. Canada does not play around if you bring in a firearm. Even the Canadians... They can come down into the states and buy ammo, but it can not be assembled. Powder, shot, wads, empty shells, and primers are all ok. Loaded shotgun shells are not.

I made a comment to one of the guys at the boarder once. Ironic how you can not bring in loaded ammo, but you can bring in explosives. He said that gunpowder is not considered an explosive. It's a "propellant".

[BHG0069]

I carry this with me: Kimber LifeAct Self-Defense Spray (http://www.life-act.com/pepperblaster.php) This stuff works great and shoots out 13ft @ 90mph and has two shots.

I used to be a cop and we had to get sprayed with OC/Pepper spray before we could use it. I can tell you that was one of the worst experiences of my life. OC/Pepper spray does work and it WILL stop just about any threat that comes your way. Only 7 states have regulations on OC/Pepper spray. This stuff is a whole lot more inconspicuous than a handgun and easier to hide. :)

I still wish I could carry my pistol with me, but I can't risk it.

[palidian]

A double barrel shot gun with a barrel length of over 20" is, not semi automatic, a large mag, or a handgun and is legal to own in all 50 states, assuming unloaded. Even in Canada, if you have a PAL or if you declare it, you would have to pay the registration fee and no more then 200 rounds.

If you do not intend to carry it on you at all times a shot gun is ideal and is extremely effective.


http://www.canadawelcomesyou.net/firearms.html