College ball

[Jackrabbit379]

Well, another exciting season!
All I am gonna say is, Go Red Raiders!! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0053.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php)
I wonder who will go all the way. Bama? Georgia? USC? Texas?, ugh! Penn St? How about Utah? They are 10th. http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0053.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php)

Texas vs. Tech is gonna be good. So is Georgia vs. Florida. My wife is from Georgia, and she is beside herself.http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0053.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php)


It should be interesting as the season rolls on!

[Twilight Flyer]

Man, the Big 12 is touch this year. What, 4 teams in the top 10? 2 or 3 in the top 5? :eek2:

I'm an Iowa State fan. We're probably going to have to become a Division II school to complete anymore, unless Chizek figures this thing out and turns it around. :angryblue:

[Snowman7]

You guys ain't gonna like this but I don't see Penn State losing and I don't see Texas and Bama both running the table and winning their conf championship games so I think you're gonna see another Big 10 rep in the BCS Championship Game. The other school could be any number of 1 loss teams. If anyone else goes undefeated it'll be Texas.

[Jackrabbit379]

Man, the Big 12 is tough this year. What, 4 teams in the top 10? 2 or 3 in the top 5? :eek2:

That's because they always have an easy schedule, till they play each other.http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/tongue/tongue0001.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

I could see Penn State playing in the Championship.
I hope Tech beats Texas!http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/evilgrin/evilgrin0040.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-jumping-smileys.php)

It wouldnt surprise me to see Penn State vs. USC in the BCS Championship game. (hope not)http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/tongue/tongue0001.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[Snowman7]

That's because they always have an easy schedule, till they play each other.http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/tongue/tongue0001.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

I could see Penn State playing in the Championship.
I hope Tech beats Texas!http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/evilgrin/evilgrin0040.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-jumping-smileys.php)

It wouldnt surprise me to see Penn State vs. USC in the BCS Championship game. (hope not)http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/tongue/tongue0001.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

All schools schedule easy non conference games. Its a matter of survival. People have blasted my Buckeyes for their non conf schedule but this decade alone they have played home and away against Texas and now USC. All three of those schools deserve credit for making that happen. You have to remember not only would OSU be careful about their non conference schedule but if you had National championship hopes would you put the Buckeyes on your schedule if you didn't have to?

I love the tradition of the bowls and I love the week to week drama of the current system but it does have flaws that would be fixed by a playoff. But does that mean a playoff system is better? The regular season would lose alot of weekly meaning and fun. A playoff system rewards the team that is hot at the end just like pro sports. The current system rewards year long consistency. Its not easy to go undefeated no mater what conference you're in. Ask USC. Every year there are 10-15 qualified "playoff teams" and maybe 6-8 "contenders" for the championship. Under the current system someone will be left out. In a playoff someone could get hot and win out, like last years NY Giants did in the super bowl. I'm just preaching the merits of both ways and not really sure which way I want it. I just want to be entertained. I think I like the tradition of college ball and I'll watch the NFL for the playoffs.

[Jackrabbit379]

I agree, Snowman, I just thought I'd throw that in there.
It's fun, that's for sure! My wife watches her Georgia Bulldogs, but she aint like me;she cant just sit and watch college football all day.http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0053.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-character-smileys.php)

Another reason why I love college football. Anything can happen at any time.

[Jackrabbit379]

I found out something last night. A briefing on the BSC rankings. Arnie Spanier had Richard Billingsley on his show. Richard Billingsley works for BCS.
The way the BCS rankings work, is what your rank is vs the opponent's rank, strength of schedule. If you are #10, and you beat #1 team, you could jump in front of the #9 team, even after the #9 team won, because #9 team beat a non-ranking opponent. For an example, Alabama dropped this week, and Penn State jumped, because Penn State beat, Ohio State (then, #5), and Alabama beat Tennessee (then #42) He talked about the Top 3, which all are currently undefeated. (Tex, Penn St, Bama) It could be very interesting if all Top 3 teams win all out. He said, "Dont be surprised if "your team" drops in the rankings at the end of the season, yet they won. It's all depending on the strength of opponent." He said that Margin of Victory is not in the computers. He said, "It does not matter how bad you blow someone out. It's all on the strength of the opponent." I believe him, but it's hard to believe.

I'd still like to know why some conferences are non-BCS. (Boise St, Utah, etc) Wonder if that means that those teams have not won a BCS Championship, since BCS has been around. I've never understood that.

[BlooMoose]

I agree, Snowman, I just thought I'd throw that in there.
It's fun, that's for sure! My wife watches her Georgia Bulldogs, but she aint like me;she cant just sit and watch college football all day.http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0053.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-character-smileys.php)

Another reason why I love college football. Anything can happen at any time.

I won't be taking the kids to the Tech game because it will be a freaking madhouse there. But you better believe we'll be watching. I tried to watch the New Orleans game this weekend but Doug was home visiting the kids and he was like...I didn't know you liked football. I was thinking...:roll3:...there's a lot of things you don't know about me but..are you serious? How in the world can you not know that?!?! I think TTU has a good team this year. I have no clue how it will all turn out...but I love to watch it! My little sister is a Husker...it was great getting to razz her a couple of weeks ago. My college didn't have a football team so I have adopted TTU since being here in Lubbock. I love their all black uniforms. They have been selling "blackout" shirts here like crazy...it should be an awesome site to see.

[Jackrabbit379]

Cool.
Wreck em Tech!
When I get to the warehouse tonight, I may have to go over to the Flyin J, and see if they have any black shirts in there.

[BlooMoose]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n131/skstafford/Smileys/ttu-sm.gif

[Mr. Ford95]

Jack, Boise St and Utah are not in conferences recognized as being Championship worthy in Football. Only 6 conferences are considered BCS worthy in D-1. ACC, Big East, Pac-10, Big 12, Big-10, and the SEC. It's all a big joke because those are considered the money maker conferences for the NCAA.

What's stupid about the SOS(Strength of Schedule) is that the Buckeyes were ahead of USC after USC destroyed them. Hopefully this past weekend fixed that but it was a stupid flaw that made no sense. USC has played a much stronger schedule than OSU thus far across the board.

[Jackrabbit379]

That's makes sense. Got it.

[BlooMoose]

Did ANYBODY here watch the UT vs. Texas Tech game Friday night?!?! It was absolutely unfreakingbelievable!! UT is seeing the Red now!!!! We wrecked 'em (39 to 33)!!!! And it was beautiful..it was nearly an upset...and I would have cried real tears!!!! WE DID IT...upset the No. 1 team!!!!

[Twilight Flyer]

Yep, and that was the worst thing in the world that could happen to Penn State. Tech is now #2 and they are saying there's something like 6 teams that could have 1 loss and would be ahead of an undefeated Penn State in the BCS standings when all is said and done. :thumbsup:

[Jackrabbit379]

It's crazy. Oh well. The Shorthorns lost. That's what matters.

[Jackrabbit379]

Coach Fulmer is gone at the end of this year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3679810
They were once a big powerhouse!

Tim Tebow reminds me of Brady. He's good, but I'd like to see him taken off on a stretcher.

[Mr. Ford95]

Tebow could play LB with his size.

Sucks for PSU, they might be the only undefeated team left with a shot at the National Title outside of Utah and Boise St and not get a shot. Maybe that will finally be enough to scrap the BCS. The computers don't like them very much in these first 3 weeks. The only thing that would look right, if Alabama, Texas Tech and PSU all run the table. You can say that Texas Tech deserves to be in for running the guantlet and knocking off 4 Top 10 teams in a 5 game stretch. Alabama would then get in if they win out over a Top 5 Florida. Who has PSU beaten? An OSU team that isn't as good as advertised.

[Twilight Flyer]

And if Ohio State loses another game, Penn State is finished for a BCS title shot. :thumbsup:

[BigDiesel]

Jack, Boise St and Utah are not in conferences recognized as being Championship worthy in Football. Only 6 conferences are considered BCS worthy in D-1. ACC, Big East, Pac-10, Big 12, Big-10, and the SEC. It's all a big joke because those are considered the money maker conferences for the NCAA.

What's stupid about the SOS(Strength of Schedule) is that the Buckeyes were ahead of USC after USC destroyed them. Hopefully this past weekend fixed that but it was a stupid flaw that made no sense. USC has played a much stronger schedule than OSU thus far across the board.

And we at Oregon State destroyed any hopes of a national title for the University of Spoiled Children........:thumbsup::rofl:

[Jackrabbit379]

And we at Oregon State destroyed any hopes of a national title for the University of Spoiled Children........:thumbsup::rofl:
:lol: :lol:
I dont think I've ever heard that one before.
It wouldnt surprise me if USC did make it to the big game. They always find a way.

[Snowman7]

A gunfight over Bama LSU game leaves two people dead. Unbelievable!:roll:

They weren't even at a bar or together for the game. The victims drove to the shooters trailer looking for a fight!

http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/argument_over_bama_lsu_game_ends_with_2_dead/20770/

[Mackman]

How about PSU losing to Iowa. WTF is that all about.:thumbsdown:

[Mr. Ford95]

Iowa has had PSU number the last few years, what this is the 4th or 5th straight loss to Iowa? Really thought PSU was good enough to go undefeated but Iowa snuck up on them.

I don't know that I would call USC the land of Spoiled Children, that place is in an ugly section of town. Walked into a McDonald's that had an armed security guard at the doors just a block and a half to the south of the Coliseum in the middle of the day. Told me all I needed to know about that area of town, stay out if you cherish your life once it gets dark. I can't see why anyone would want to go there, UCLA looked like heaven compared to USC.

[Jackrabbit379]

Heck yeah man. USC is right in the heart of South Central. Sounds lovely, doesnt it? :p

Yeah, Penn State got caught with their pants down.

[Jackrabbit379]

Man, Florida took care of South Carolina. http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0068.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-adult-smileys.php)

Big Diesel, looks like The Beavers are in the run for the Rose Bowl.

I think the USC vs Stanford game will be good.http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0016.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-jumping-smileys.php) They just started.

[BigDiesel]

Big Diesel, looks like The Beavers are in the run for the Rose Bowl.


Shhhhhhhhh........ Still have to get by Arizona next week in Tucson, and the Civil War against Oregon at home....................:whistle:

[Jackrabbit379]

I tell ya what.... the Civil War is as big as any other rival in the country. I've seen the game, and it aint no love lost for what I could tell. :lol:


Should be interesting the next couple weeks for everybody.

[Snowman7]

I think Fla will beat Bama and play for the championship. But I dont know who theyll play. If Oklahoma beats TT that will make a real mess between OK, TX, TT and USC. Its going to be a wild finish!

[Jackrabbit379]

Yeah, same here. I think Florida will run away with a big win. Bama still has the Iron Bowl though. What if Auburn happens to beat Bama? Will that throw a kink in Bama's hose?
If Oklahoma beats Texas Tech, the rankings will be a big cluster you-know-what. :p :lol:

I was watching some of the Ohio State game/flipping back and forth also watching Michigan. Both were good games. Michigan got stomped. It was snowing too.

[Snowman7]

So now what? OK beats TT who beat TX who beat OK. Can any of these schools get to the big game? What about USC do they have a shot? Buckle your seatbelts!

[BlooMoose]

If Oklahoma beats Texas Tech, the rankings will be a big cluster you-know-what. :p :lol:

OHHHHHHHHH....the humiliation...OK didn't just beat TTU...We got spanked!!!

[Jackrabbit379]

Yeah, that's what happens when you play at Norman (OK). Bob Stoops is 60-2 at home. http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/scared/scared0015.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-confused-smileys.php)
I dont know what Texas Tech's "total offense" ranks, but it's one of the best in the nation. Only thing, Texas Tech has no defense. I like Texas Tech, but the defense has never been anything like their offense. Also, Mike Leach used to be Bob Stoop's right hand man at OU. Bob Stoops knew exactly what Mike Leach had up his sleeve. OU sniffed out nearly every play that Texas Tech ran. They also played at OU. :lol: Baylor aint no slouch. I dont know if I would laugh or cry if Baylor upsets Texas Tech :lol:

Snowman...if OU beats OK State, it will be a 3-way tie in the Big 12 South. How they will sort that out is beyond me. I dont know how they will work it out if OK State beats OU. They are playing in Stillwater this year. If that happens, OK State beating OU, that might put Texas Tech in the Big 12 game. Who knows :lol:
I'm sure USC has a shot, just like anyone else. They always find a way. :lol: You also have Florida, and Bama. I'm sure Bama will beat Auburn in the Iron Bowl, and Florida should be able to take care of FSU. Of course, both of those games are big emotional rivals, anything can happen. Oregon State and Penn State should play in the Rose, if Oregon State wins their Civil War.
It's gonna be interesting to see how they work this madness out.

[Snowman7]

OHHHHHHHHH....the humiliation...OK didn't just beat TTU...We got spanked!!!

You just like saying that.

[Mr. Ford95]

Actually TT's D has gotten much better from what it was last year. They shutdown Texas for most of the game, something OU couldn't do. It's just that OU's offense is that darn good. Easy to stop TT's, sit in a pass defense and let your 3-4 guys up front stop all the runs if you know they are up to the task. If they find an open receiver on a pass, make a sure tackle. It didn't help that TT kept turning the ball over and it lead to OU TD's, that's what made it look so bad, they had 2 or 3 TD's that were a drive of less than 5 yards.

If it's a 3 way tie, the Big 12 South Champ will be decided by who has the higher BCS ranking. 2 way tie, it goes to who won the head to head matchup.

[Jackrabbit379]

Very well said, Mr Ford.
Mike Leach is not very conservative. :lol: That can be a bad thing, and I wish a lot of other coaches would be the same at times. He went for it on 4th down, twice. I know that he hates to punt. Of course, both times, failed. That, and turnovers, like you said..

[Mr. Ford95]

That's why I like Mike, he is a surefire gambler that isn't afraid of possibly failing to get a first down or TD on 4th down and giving the other team a short field. It's why more kids are wanting to go play in Lubbock for him, he likes to have fun out on the field. If things go bad, yes he will be upset/disappointed but he won't jump down your throat and then bench you like a Bob Stoops would. I mean, nothing against Stoops, I like what he has down at OU with his way of running things but I would rather play for Leach.

[Jackrabbit379]

I just noticed that USC and Notre Dame play this week. I'd forgotten that game is also a big rival.
How many points ya think USC will hang on the Irish. :lol: http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/indifferent/indifferent0018.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-rolleye-smileys.php)

[ironeagle_2006]

At le3ast 50 if not more since the Irish Defense right now could not even manage to pour pee out of a boot with the directions on the heel.

[vavega]

hey snowman! care to have a friendly bet on the BCS championship game?

[Snowman7]

hmmm, kinda early yet isnt it? :confused:

What did you have in mind?

Your not just trying to open old wounds about last year's bet with Flyer are you? If yes then bite me! If no then excuse my paranoia!:lol:

[vavega]

crs has set in, i have to start early. :D

nothing specific as yet, but we've got time to come up with something



last year's bet with flyer? :confused: if i say no, he won't believe me, after all he's paranoid.....can't say yes since lord knows i don't want to bite that.......:eek1: best say no and claim you have no idea what he's talking about! :D



NO, :hellno: don't know anything about that, you are paranoid. ;)

[Jackrabbit379]

Yeah, way too early. :lol:

No telling who's going.

[Jackrabbit379]

So, what about now?

Oregon St lost. Does that mean that USC will play in the Rose, or are they still in the race for the BCS Title?

OU went over Texas in the BCS rankings. :lol: It aint right, but funny.

Bama, and Florida will be good. I'm thinking that Florida will run away with it.

Wonder how much more crazier it will get..


Did yall hear about Pete Carroll? Ya know, USC/UCLA play this week. UCLA is the home team, and Pete Carroll wants his team to wear their "home" uniforms. :lol:
They said that he lost a time-out in the first half, and a time-out in the second for that stunt. :lol: Like USC will need any time-outs. :p

[Mr. Ford95]

Yes, if USC beats UCLA they go to the Rose while OSU gets sent to a Toilet Bowl game even though they tied USC for the PAC-10. Ain't it great the Beavers and Trojans tied together.:lol: USC is a 33 point favorite last I saw.

Guarantee the Big 12 changes their tiebreaker rule to what the ACC and SEC have. Who'da thought they would have had such an odd case this year in 1 division though? SEC and ACC take a 3 way tie and toss out the lowest rated BCS team in the tie and then use the head-to-head result of the 2 teams left to determine who wins the division. Means, Texas Tech had no shot and Texas would be the division champ, not OU.

Florida hasn't met a D as good as Bama this year outside of Ole Miss. Ole Miss has a D much like Bama does and we all remember what happened to Florida in their game against Ole Miss, they lost in a tight one.

The Carroll thing is funny and actually it's an old tradition. I'm surprised the PAC-10 won't let it happen without a penalty since UCLA isn't tossing a fit about it and actually would love to revive this tradition with USC.

[ronjon619]

The timeout and the uniform thing is unreal. That's why a lot of people hate Carrol. He knows his team will hang 50 on the Bruins and he just doesn't give a ****. That NFL flunkie is a superstar in LA.

[Snowman7]

Well after this weekend we should be able to work on that bet V!

[Jackrabbit379]

The Pac-10 is almost as bad as the Big-12. Oregon St beat USC, yet USC is going to the Rose (if they beat UCLA).

How crazy is that! I try to keep up every week, but every time I turn around, the BCS is changing, and screwing up. :lol:

[Mr. Ford95]

Love what UCLA is going to do if USC loses TO's.

First-year UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel not only approves of the concept, he said he’ll call a timeout immediately after USC’s forced timeout to level the playing field.

[vavega]

calling a timeout, now that was a class act.

OK and FL?


btw, http://users.pandora.be/eborght/Emoticons/happy_birthday.gif

[Mr. Ford95]

That was hilarious in the USC-UCLA game. The ref seemed genuinely pissed off about the uni thing and then UCLA concurrently calling a TO. He didn't seem very amused by it at all.

Unless something crazy happens, like Mack Brown calling in a hundred favors to voters, it's OU-FL for the NC. Texas would need a miracle to stay ahead of FL or surpass OU. Really, that throttling of Mizzou by OU helps Texas' case to get a rematch with OU. It shows just how good OU is and then add in that Texas was able to beat them.............wonder if the computers pick that up and it's enough to keep Texas ahead of FL? Wouldn't that cause a big ruckus down in FL.

[Jackrabbit379]

Unless something crazy happens, like Mack Brown calling in a hundred favors to voters, it's OU-FL for the NC. Texas would need a miracle to stay ahead of FL or surpass OU. Really, that throttling of Mizzou by OU helps Texas' case to get a rematch with OU. It shows just how good OU is and then add in that Texas was able to beat them.............wonder if the computers pick that up and it's enough to keep Texas ahead of FL? Wouldn't that cause a big ruckus down in FL.

Dontcha know that would throw a kink in the hose. :p
OU set a record for hanging 60+ points on the board for 5 straight games.
It was looking like Bama was having some good luck, but guess not. :p
I havent checked, but I'm sure it will be OU-Florida, and I wonder if OU will make that 6 straight games, scoring 60 points. :lol:
Florida is tough, but I think OU will win it. I'm not sure if Teebow is fast enough for that Sooner Defense.
I was watching some of the USC-UCLA game. So I guess ole Pete Carroll decided to wear his home jerseys. :lol:

[Mr. Ford95]

You know, Florida has a good D but they have yet to face an attack like OU has. Now matter how you try to defend the pass, Bradford is just too dang good and his O-line is very good at protecting him right now. Throw in his scrambling ability and he is just like Tebow, dangerous. So you figure you can snuff out their passing game and you got OU pinned? Wrong, they just load up the run and shove the ball down your throat with several backs. This could be the highest scoring NC game ever seen if OU's D plays like they did against Texas in the 2nd half.

[Jackrabbit379]

Florida does have a super fast, hard hittin defense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the SEC likes to run the smash mouth football, but not quite like that weird spread that Bob Stoops runs. As tough as Florida's defense is, I'm sure they will have their hands full. Florida's secondary is quick, and they cover really well, but Bob Stoops has many weapons.
If OU's defense can shut down Florida, OU should pull away with it. Florida also has a lot of weapons, and they are fast. OU went to sleep against Texas in the 2nd half. If that happens against Florida, it could get ugly.

[Jackrabbit379]

Well congrats to the dag gum stinkin Gators.

Some game. OU kinda stunk up the place. :lol:

As much as I dislike Florida, it was good to see David Nelson score a touchdown. David Nelson is from Wichita Falls. Kinda weird how he went to Florida, with all the schools around here.

Football season is over.. Now what? :lol:

[Snowman7]

Yeah JR Superman wears Tim Tebow jammies! I'm no Florida fan either but you have to admire their QB. Not just his physical skills but his character and mental approach too.

[Jackrabbit379]

Yes Snowman. Tebow is something to see. Whether you like Florida or not, Tebow is a site to see.
I just hope he does well in the NFL. A lot of great college quarterbacks hasn't done well in the pros.

[Mr. Ford95]

What the heck system is he going to be in when he gets to the NFL though? No team currently has a QB that enjoys running over LB's instead of sliding down or hopping out of bounds. When he does get to the NFL, whomever takes him will have to toss out their current offensive system and bring in a new one that can use his LB size the same way Florida has done. Remember though, these are grown men, they won't be afraid of him, but jesus, the defense's won't be ready for him to come bulldozing thru the line.

[Jackrabbit379]

True, Mr Ford, so true.
He doesnt make his way to the sideline, nor does he slide. He lowers his shoulder just like a fullback. :lol: On the other hand, these guys in the NFL hit a little harder than the college kids. :p When ever he decides to go pro, I just hope that he realizes that it isnt college.

[Hawkjr]

Tebow might as well have fun playing QB in College.. When he get to the pro's he will be a FB or TE.. If he goes to TE he will be an All-Pro.. But Vince Young was a way better Athlete and QB than Tebow.. NOW LOOK AT HIM!!!

[Midnight Flyer]

OU quarterback Sam Bradford has announced he'll return for his junior season as well as some of his teammates. Could we get another OU/UF re-match in January 2010?

[mike3fan]

OU quarterback Sam Bradford has announced he'll return for his junior season as well as some of his teammates. Could we get another OU/UF re-match in January 2010?
let's hope not. Not so big game Bob 0-5 and counting

[Mr. Ford95]

Bradford may stay for his senior season too. Depends on how the Lions new QB works out from this year's draft. He may not want to come out next year either.

[mike3fan]

Bradford may stay for his senior season too. Depends on how the Lions new QB works out from this year's draft. He may not want to come out next year either.

Nice!

[Snowman7]

Bradford may stay for his senior season too. Depends on how the Lions new QB works out from this year's draft. He may not want to come out next year either.

I would make a few Lions jokes too...but...you know...glass house...stones...um...browns...:(

[Mr. Ford95]

Well the Browns didn't become the first NFL team to go 0-16 so I think you'll be alright. They are always good for at least 1 to 2 wins a year.

[vavega]

now...now..... chin up, you've got a new coach! :p :D ;)

[dobry4u]

now...now..... chin up, you've got a new coach! :p :D ;)


Yeah... Great .... So did the Wolverines :hellno: :tears: :cry:

[kentucky24]

Kentucky
stomped GEORGIA TODAY.....

3-0 IN SEC

[Mr. Ford95]

Man, the SEC must be down this year. ;) I remember Kentucky getting beat by those VMI boys earlier this year at home and then to a decent Miami team. Can't believe Florida is 16-2 and looking good, then again they haven't played anyone this year, Donovan loaded up with a ton of creampuffs.