Anything And Everything - Tried to stay away... I really did...

Got involved with another site, "NEWSVINE.COM" and read an article you folks might want to know about. For some of you, your "SHINY BLACK KNIGHT" isn't quite so shiny.

http://jazzman646.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/08/1970386-barack-obama-revealed-a-dire-warning-from-an-african-american

Barack Obama Revealed, A Dire Warning from an African American...

The real information wasn't in the article itself, but came out in the comments below it.

one can read Sol Stern's excellent City Journal critique of Ayers:

. . .As Ayers puts it in one of his course descriptions, prospective K–12 teachers need to “be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and . . . be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, a teacher teaching for social justice and liberation.” Ayers’s texts on the imperative of social-justice teaching are among the most popular works in the syllabi of the nation’s ed schools and teacher-training institutes. One of Ayers’s major themes is that the American public school system is nothing but a reflection of capitalist hegemony. Thus, the mission of all progressive teachers is to take back the classrooms and turn them into laboratories of revolutionary change.

Unfortunately, neither Obama nor his critics in the media seem to have a clue about Ayers’s current work and his widespread influence in the education schools. In his last debate with Hillary Clinton, Obama referred to Ayers as a “professor of English,” an error that the media then repeated. Would that Ayers were just another radical English professor. In that case, his poisonous anti-American teaching would be limited to a few hundred college students in the liberal arts. But through his indoctrination of future K–12 teachers, Ayers has been able to influence what happens in hundreds, perhaps thousands, of classrooms.

Ayers’s influence on what is taught in the nation’s public schools is likely to grow in the future. Last month, he was elected vice president for curriculum of the 25,000-member American Educational Research Association (AERA), the nation’s largest organization of education-school professors and researchers. Ayers won the election handily, and there is no doubt that his fellow education professors knew whom they were voting for. In the short biographical statement distributed to prospective voters beforehand, Ayers listed among his scholarly books Fugitive Days, an unapologetic memoir about his ten years in the Weather Underground. The book includes dramatic accounts of how he bombed the Pentagon and other public buildings.

And Obama, as head of the fiscal arm of the Annenberg Challenge, was responsible for steering funding to leftwing groups like the frauds at ACORN that Ayers is in bed with and which he too was in bed with when he was a young Chicago politico on the rise. Anyone who cares a whit about primary and secondary education in this country wouldn't allow Bill Ayers or any of his acolytes within 20 miles of a public school. Apparently, that's not a class that includes Barack Obama.

So what is it about Bill Ayers? Those of you that are old enough, think back to 1968. Bill Ayers, ANTI-AMERICAN, CONVICTED OF NO LESS THEN 12 BOMBINGS, ranks right up there with the BLACK PANTHER LEADER that shot and killed a Chicago police officer, then got off on a technicality. They TOLD him his right to an attorney rather then reading them off a card. Not that many years ago, the same black panther leader was a candidate for mayor of Oakland, CA. Bill Ayers and Barack Obama... They's BUDDIES.

Those of you that are supporting him... Making a TRULY INFORMED DECISSION? ARE WE?

Here's more on Obama. Go to the links and read...

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/07/the_real_obama

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/will-msm-report-obama-membership-socialist-new-party

After allegations surfaced in early summer over the 'New Party's' endorsement of Obama, the Obama campaign along with the remnants of the New Party and Democratic Socialists of America claimed that Obama was never a member of either organization. The DSA and 'New Party' then systematically attempted to cover up any ties between Obama and the Socialist Organizations. However, it now appears that Barack Obama was indeed a certified and acknowledged member of the DSA's New Party.

On Tuesday, I discovered a web page that had been scrubbed from the New Party's website. The web page which was published in October 1996, was an internet newsletter update on that years congressional races. Although the web page was deleted from the New Party's website, the non-profit Internet Archive Organization had archived the page.


From the October 1996 Update of the DSA 'New Party':
"New Party members are busy knocking on doors, hammering down lawn signs, and phoning voters to support NP candidates this fall. Here are some of our key races...

Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)."

You can find the above quote from the scubbed New Party web page at this Internet Archive Organization link (http://web.archive.org/web/20010306031216/www.newparty.org/up9610.html). More confirmation of Obama's membership in the New Party can be found at an article (http://www.populist.com/11.96.Edit.html) in the November 1996 Progressive Populist magazine:

New Party members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, including an at-large race for the Little Rock, Ark., City Council, a seat on the county board for Little Rock and the school board for Prince George's County, Md. Chicago is sending the first New Party member to Congress, as Danny Davis, who ran as a Democrat, won an overwhelming 85% victory. New Party member Barack Obama was uncontested for a State Senate seat from Chicago.

Hey Wind, the liberal Kool-Aid drinkers won't give a hoot about that. They've already put Ayers on a pedestal along with Obama and they worship both of them. Face it...both of dem are just swell guys, doncha know. :rolleyes:

As each day goes by, I'm hoping more and more that Obama wins out in November. It's going to be downright hilarious to watch the faces of some of these people when Obama gets turned loose with all his "programs."

Thank God I'm not an athiest or I would have already written off this country as lost.

BTW, do you want your original login stuff back? You are Windwalker, aren't you? :D

Hey Wind, the liberal Kool-Aid drinkers won't give a hoot about that. They've already put Ayers on a pedestal along with Obama and they worship both of them. Face it...both of dem are just swell guys, doncha know. :rolleyes:

As each day goes by, I'm hoping more and more that Obama wins out in November. It's going to be downright hilarious to watch the faces of some of these people when Obama gets turned loose with all his "programs."

Thank God I'm not an athiest or I would have already written off this country as lost.

BTW, do you want your original login stuff back? You are Windwalker, aren't you? :D


very well put...................:cool::cool::cool::D:D

Hey Wind, the liberal Kool-Aid drinkers won't give a hoot about that. They've already put Ayers on a pedestal along with Obama and they worship both of them. Face it...both of dem are just swell guys, doncha know. :rolleyes:

As each day goes by, I'm hoping more and more that Obama wins out in November. It's going to be downright hilarious to watch the faces of some of these people when Obama gets turned loose with all his "programs."

Thank God I'm not an athiest or I would have already written off this country as lost.

BTW, do you want your original login stuff back? You are Windwalker, aren't you? :D

:P That's why I put my old avatar back on. I had this one so long I think it grew on as part of me. Just like Gman's. I'll keep this one now. I don't think I need credit for all my past posts. You all know who I am.

But, what I've found out about Obama is VERY UNSETTLING, to say the least. I have to come up just a bit short of saying he's tied in with terrorists, but he certainly is tied in with EXTREMISTS. They're following the same pattern I learned about in school, so many years ago. But, when I read about it in History, they were talking about other countries. Now, it's our turn. They're putting their "puppets" in positions of power. When they get everybody in position, they're going to make their move. No wonder the President of Iraq has been talking about the end of the "AMERICAN EMPIRE". All of a sudden, his words aren't so hollow.

By the way, Reb, read the stories and others that the links will lead you to and you'll know just what "MACHINE" is behind him. They've got a whole lot of power (money) on their side.

And, you can still write my name in on the ballot in Nov.

Hey Wind, the liberal Kool-Aid drinkers won't give a hoot about that. They've already put Ayers on a pedestal along with Obama and they worship both of them. Face it...both of dem are just swell guys, doncha know. :rolleyes:

As each day goes by, I'm hoping more and more that Obama wins out in November. It's going to be downright hilarious to watch the faces of some of these people when Obama gets turned loose with all his "programs."

Thank God I'm not an athiest or I would have already written off this country as lost.

BTW, do you want your original login stuff back? You are Windwalker, aren't you? :D

:P That's why I put my old avatar back on. I had this one so long I think it grew on as part of me. Just like Gman's. I'll keep this one now. I don't think I need credit for all my past posts. You all know who I am.

But, what I've found out about Obama is VERY UNSETTLING, to say the least. I have to come up just a bit short of saying he's tied in with terrorists, but he certainly is tied in with EXTREMISTS. They're following the same pattern I learned about in school, so many years ago. But, when I read about it in History, they were talking about other countries. Now, it's our turn. They're putting their "puppets" in positions of power. When they get everybody in position, they're going to make their move. No wonder the President of Iraq has been talking about the end of the "AMERICAN EMPIRE". All of a sudden, his words aren't so hollow.

By the way, Reb, read the stories and others that the links will lead you to and you'll know just what "MACHINE" is behind him. They've got a whole lot of power (money) on their side.

And, you can still write my name in on the ballot in Nov.

WindWalker

Here's more reading... For those of you that are so intent on supporting Obama...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/09/23/barack-obama-bill-ayers-stanley-kurtz-makes-connection

Bill Ayers is just a guy in the neighborhood, ehhh... Looks less and less credible all the time.

Back in the mid 90s, Obama signed a contract with the "NEW PARTY".
"NEW PARTY" is guided by Bill Ayers...
Bill Ayers bombed the Pentagon...
Never heard of anyone required to sign a contract with a political party before...

NOW!!! Now, do you folks want to discuss politics? If you do,,, SIGN ON PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WindWalker

Nice to see ya Windy!!!!

From here: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html
Ayers is old news. The article is too long to post here.


http://images.politico.com/global/v3/homelogo.gif (http://www.politico.com/)Obama once visited '60s radicals
By: Ben Smith
February 22, 2008 01:26 PM EST

In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious — and unrepentant — figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement.

Now, as Obama runs for president, what two guests recall as an unremarkable gathering on the road to a minor elected office stands as a symbol of how swiftly he has risen from a man in the Hyde Park left to one closing in fast on the Democratic nomination for president.

“I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers’ house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,” said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. “[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.”

Obama and Palmer “were both there,” he said.

Obama’s connections to Ayers and Dorhn have been noted in some fleeting news coverage in the past. But the visit by Obama to their home — part of a campaign courtship — reflects more extensive interaction than has been previously reported.
Neither Ayers nor the Obama campaign would describe the relationship between the two men. Dr. Young described Obama and Ayers as “friends,” but there’s no evidence their relationship is more than the casual friendship of two men who occupy overlapping Chicago political circles and who served together on the board of a Chicago foundation.



But Obama’s relationship with Ayers is an especially vivid milepost on his rise, in record time, from a local official who unabashedly reflected a very liberal district to the leader of national movement based largely on the claim that he can transcend ideological divides.

In one sense, Obama’s journey toward the cultural and political center is not unusual among national politicians. But its velocity is.

Politicians of an earlier generation had their own relationships with figures now far to their left. Hillary Rodham Clinton, for instance, interned at a radical San Francisco law firm while in law school.

On the other side of the political spectrum, many in the generation before hers shifted dramatically on civil rights. John McCain voted against creating a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. and later called that a mistake.

The relationship with Ayers gives context to his recent past in Hyde Park politics. It’s milieu in which a former violent radical was a stalwart of the local scene, not especially controversial.

It’s also a scene whose liberal ideological features — while taken for granted by the Chicago press corps that knows Obama best — provides a jarring contrast with Obama’s current, anti-ideological stance. This contrast between past and present — not least the Ayers connection — is virtually certain to be a subject Republican operatives will warm to if Obama is the Democratic nominee.

The tension between the present and recent Chicago past is also evident in some of his positions on major national issues. Many national politicians, including Clinton, have moved toward the center over time. But Obama’s transitions are still quite fresh.

A questionnaire from his 1996 campaign indicated more blanket opposition to the death penalty, and support of abortion rights, than he currently espouses. He spoke in support of single-payer health care as recently as 2003.

Like many of the most extreme figures from the 1960s Ayers and Dohrn are ambiguous figures in American life.

They disappeared in 1970, after a bomb — designed to kill army officers in New Jersey — accidentally destroyed a Greenwich Village townhouse, and turned themselves into authorities in 1980. They were never prosecuted for their involvement with the 25 bombings the Weather Underground claimed; charges were dropped because of improper FBI surveillance.

Both have written and spoken at length about their pasts, and today he is an advocate for progressive education and a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago; she’s an associate professor of law at Northwestern University.

But — unlike some other fringe figures of the era — they’re also flatly unrepentant about the bombings they committed in the name of ending the war, defending them on the grounds that they killed no one, except, accidentally, their own members.

Dohrn, however, was jailed for less than a year for refusing to testify before a grand jury investigating other Weather Underground members’ robbery of a Brinks truck, in which a guard and two New York State Troopers were killed.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

And their rehabilitation in establishment circles, even in Hyde Park, has its limits.

Though he is a respected figure in liberal educational circles, Ayers wrote recently about how in 2006 he was informed he was persona non grata at a progressive educators’ conference in the summer of 2006.
“We cannot risk a simplistic and dubious association between progressive education and the violent aspects of your past,” he quoted the conference organizers, whom he described as friends, as writing to him.

But the couple has been embraced, by and large, in the liberal circles dominating Hyde Park politics.

“Bill Ayers is one of my heroes in life,” said Sam Ackerman, a longtime local activist. “I knew Tony Rezko, and he ain’t no Rezko.”

But others in Hyde Park, whose intellectual and political life revolves around the University of Chicago, view the couple with ambivalence.



Stringer Andrew Lipkowitz contributed to this story.
© 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC
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Ayers is old news. The article is too long to post here.

Really? How much do you want to bet that MOST of America does not remember about Ayers or his wife, and do not realize the significance of the association? I had thought they simply went underground, and after all this time, I didn't connect the name with all the violence from back then. For the majority of America, the story will be the same. And, for that matter, by now, most of the voters are too young to remember about it anynow.

Al Capone was well respected in his community too.

Really? How much do you want to bet that MOST of America does not remember about Ayers or his wife, and do not realize the significance of the association? I had thought they simply went underground, and after all this time, I didn't connect the name with all the violence from back then. For the majority of America, the story will be the same. And, for that matter, by now, most of the voters are too young to remember about it anynow.

Al Capone was well respected in his community too.


I meant the association of Obama with Ayers is OLD NEWS, in Chicago anyway. Did you notice that this was written last February? Ayers and Dorhn haven't been underground, they have been steadily working their way into the system.

Most voters are in the "Baby Boom" age brackets and SHOULD remember the '60's. Problem is, they've gotten complacent, and CHOOSE to forget. Even Richard Daley is saying we shouldn't bring up something that happened 40 years ago. BTW, isn't his brother working for Obama?


Yes we all loved Capone. He did a lot for his 'family' and his community. He just insisted on doing it "His Way". ;) (We Need a SARCASM smilie)

McCain and G. Gordon Liddy. Of course all he did was try to subvert the election of a President, conspire to kidnap and bomb. He also wanted to kill a journalist with whom he disagreed. Not anywhere near as bad as Ayers.

And of course Palin did not attempt to Hire Liddy to lobby.

Is this the part where I call into question your intelligence or loyalty to the country just because you don't agree with me? I have a hard time understanding the Internets (now on computers)

McCain and G. Gordon Liddy. Of course all he did was try to subvert the election of a President, conspire to kidnap and bomb. He also wanted to kill a journalist with whom he disagreed. Not anywhere near as bad as Ayers.

And of course Palin did not attempt to Hire Liddy to lobby.

Is this the part where I call into question your intelligence or loyalty to the country just because you don't agree with me? I have a hard time understanding the Internets (now on computers)

I remember the "WATERGATE" affair. But, the rest, I do not remember.
Do you have a link? Wouldn't mind reading about it.

I remember the "WATERGATE" affair. But, the rest, I do not remember.
Do you have a link? Wouldn't mind reading about it.

McCain and G. Gordon Liddy. Of course all he did was try to subvert the election of a President, conspire to kidnap and bomb.From his Wikipedia page "Liddy concocted several plots, some far-fetched, intended to embarrass the Democratic opposition. These included firebombing the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. , kidnapping anti-war protest organizers and transporting them to Mexico during the Republican National Convention"

Try to read this article over at the huffington post, I know they are a VERY far left website but the article has the best collection of quotes and information I could find. You might have to turn off a filter or something on your computer just to goto such a liberal site :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/05/g-gordon-liddy-john-mccai_n_100134.html

He also wanted to kill a journalist with whom he disagreed. Not anywhere near as bad as Ayers.From his 1980 book and also quoted on Wiki "In it he states that he once made plans with Hunt to kill journalist Jack Anderson, based on a literal interpretation of a Nixon White House statement "we need to get rid of this Anderson guy"

He twice suggested that the Branch Dividians shoot for the heads of the ATF agents on the ranch. Liddy also speaks highly of Adolf Hitler! Let me say that again, ADOLF HITLER! McCain has espoused support for Liddy on his radio show as recently as last November saying he was Proud of him. At least Obama denounced Ayers.

And of course Palin did not attempt to Hire Liddy to lobby.
OK long story here. The great state of Alaska Budget Appropriation http://gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/DCCED/2009proj38713.pdf $120,000 for a company called Arctic Power. Arctic power then hires there very own TERRORIST G Gordon Libby to lobby for them with state money. And there was plenty of outrage http://www.adn.com/politics/story/380556.html I guess we can't say Gov. Palin didn't know about it.

At least Obama denounced Ayers.
Really? Does renouncing mean they can still do lunch? When did he denounce Ayers?

Really? Does renouncing mean they can still do lunch? When did he denounce Ayers?
I am assuming that you meant to say denounce and not renounce, feel free to correct me if I am wrong(Like I needed to give you permission:) )

How about the same website you sent us to on another thread? Will that pass your "BIAS" test?

http://thepage.time.com/video-halperin-chats-with-gibbs-in-nashville/

That would be one of Obama's spokesmen for the uninitiated.

At least Obama denounced Ayers.

Is that anything like being for him before being against him? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Obama's a sleaze and a dangerous sleaze at that. He's got so many skeletons and corpses in his closets that Geraldo Rivera could spend years opening them and never run out.

Is that anything like being for him before being against him? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Obama's a sleaze and a dangerous sleaze at that. He's got so many skeletons and corpses in his closets that Geraldo Rivera could spend years opening them and never run out.


I'll agree with that, especially concerning his Chicago associates. What I don't understand is the media treating him like he's made of Teflon.

Maybe I need to write a book... "SECRET HOSTILE TAKE-OVER OF AMERICA"

Get key people into positions to keep the negative hushed up, and get a good actor that can CHARM the public. Then, I have to get it published and on the BEST SELLER list before the election.
How about the same website you sent us to on another thread? Will that pass your "BIAS" test?

http://thepage.time.com/video-halper...-in-nashville/

That would be one of Obama's spokesmen for the uninitiated.

I went over both the video and transcript several times. Nowhere did I see or hear anything about denounce anyone. "Obama said the acts were deplorable" Does not sound like "denounce" to me.

Is that anything like being for him before being against him? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Obama's a sleaze and a dangerous sleaze at that. He's got so many skeletons and corpses in his closets that Geraldo Rivera could spend years opening them and never run out.
And Senator McCain is no better. He still ACTIVELY supports terrorists! Did you even read my post at 3:12 ?

I went over both the video and transcript several times. Nowhere did I see or hear anything about denounce anyone. "Obama said the acts were deplorable" Does not sound like "denounce" to me.


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1 : lamentable <a deplorable death>
2 : deserving censure or contempt : wretched <deplorable living conditions>

I think you are splitting hairs, and I think you know it too.

Tell you what, KW. You vote for your guy and I'll vote for mine. But I think you will have to agree that no matter who wins in November, the best man certainly won't be it. The best man (or woman) for the job, whoever that may actually be, isn't even in the contest.

Tell you what, KW. You vote for your guy and I'll vote for mine. But I think you will have to agree that no matter who wins in November, the best man certainly won't be it. The best man (or woman) for the job, whoever that may actually be, isn't even in the contest.



Isn't that the truth!

Tell you what, KW. You vote for your guy and I'll vote for mine. But I think you will have to agree that no matter who wins in November, the best man certainly won't be it. The best man (or woman) for the job, whoever that may actually be, isn't even in the contest.
Amen!

And now I have to type this just to make the 10 character post limit....I miss the old board.

Amen!

And now I have to type this just to make the 10 character post limit....I miss the old board.

Yeah, that is my least favorite feature for now. But, it's an easy trade for the two problems I USED to have! Maybe, as some said, it was just my use of AOL as a connection.... but, I RARELY get logged out anymore, and I haven't seen an "Invalid Session" error since the conversion! No more hitting submit over and over and over!

But I think you will have to agree that no matter who wins in November, the best man certainly won't be it. The best man (or woman) for the job, whoever that may actually be, isn't even in the contest.

Just out of curiosity, Twilight... who would you say that person is, and why?

I would start a thread with that question, but it couldn't stay serious for very long. Hoggie would probably be the first to take it off track! :D But, I would find it interesting to know who each member would want, and why.

Tell you what, KW. You vote for your guy and I'll vote for mine. But I think you will have to agree that no matter who wins in November, the best man certainly won't be it. The best man (or woman) for the job, whoever that may actually be, isn't even in the contest.

democrat or republican - They are a team, and all mostly liberal.

democrats are the bad guys. They are relentless in their vile, sniveling, whining, lying vitriolic complaining.

republicans are the good guys. They don't fight the democrats.

This is the good guy-bad guy approach of the establishment politicians, vs. We the People.

democrat or republican - They are a team, and all mostly liberal.

democrats are the bad guys. They are relentless in their vile, sniveling, whining, lying vitriolic complaining.

republicans are the good guys. They don't fight the democrats.

This is the good guy-bad guy approach of the establishment politicians, vs. We the People.What color is the sky in your magic happy world?

You must be living under a rock if you can say the Republicans don't attack the Democrats. I mean really? You can't be serious.

Usually I just ignore your posts but you have sunk to a new level of..........

What color is the sky in your magic happy world?

You must be living under a rock if you can say the Republicans don't attack the Democrats. I mean really? You can't be serious.

Usually I just ignore your posts but you have sunk to a new level of..........

You are my enemy.

I've heard that there is an ignore button.
Feel free....

I am your enemy? Your ability to have a rational debate is amazing. I have clearly met my intellectual equal.

I am your enemy? Your ability to have a rational debate is amazing. I have clearly met my intellectual equal.

Don't be so hard on yourself, MDKW!! :D

Tell you what, KW. You vote for your guy and I'll vote for mine. But I think you will have to agree that no matter who wins in November, the best man certainly won't be it. The best man (or woman) for the job, whoever that may actually be, isn't even in the contest.

OH, YES I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am still VERY MUCH A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE!!!!!!!!!!

I got an interesting email today....


Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:39 AM
To All My Friends, this is long, but very important,
please take the time to read it.

This election has me very worried. So many things to
consider. About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have
changed my mind three times since than.
I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another.
I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view
MSNBC <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/> > <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/> > , CNN,
and Fox News <http://www.foxnews.com/ <http://www.foxnews.com/> > <http://www.foxnews.com/ <http://www.foxnews.com/> > , you
might get some middle ground to work with. About six months ago, I
started thinking "where did the money come from for Obama". I have
four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and
money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were
lots of student loans.




I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in
California. He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he
tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he
had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. "Barry"
(that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two
roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan.
During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a
"round the world" trip.
Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three
weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family,
then off to Africa to visit his father's family. My question - Where
did he get the money for this trip? Nether I, nor any one of my
children would have had money for a trip like this when they where
in college. When he came back he started school at
Columbia University in New York. It is at this time he
wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you
know what the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap! to say the
least. Where did he get money for tuition?
Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a
Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago? Why not New
York? He was already living in New York.

By "chance" he met Antoin "Tony" Rezko, born in Aleppo
Syria, and a real estate developer in Chicago.
Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year.
Rezko, was named "Entrepreneur of the Decade" by the Arab-American
Business and Professional Association".
About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School.
Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where
did he get the money for Law School? More student loans? After Law
school, he went back to Chicago.
Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job
with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented
"Rezar" which Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major
financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003,
Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune
reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama
with "seed money" for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased
a new home in Kenw oood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less
than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get
the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita,
purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times
reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5
million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met
Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President.
Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now
Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without
talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz,
Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor
to Obama was "sacked" after the press found out he was having regular
contacts with "Hamas", which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran.
This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers
reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to
do nothing about the war until after he is
elected, and he will "Take care of things".

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that
where born in Pakistan? They are in charge of all those "small"
Internet campaign contribution for
Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and
middle class in this country? Or could it be from the
Middle East?

And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The
Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with
George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, "My
Muslim faith". When questioned, "he make a mistake". Some mistake!

All of the above information I got on line.
If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama;
Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in
1981; The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10,
2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this
information on my own, Why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of
the press been reporting this?

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - "Beware of the
enemy from within"!!!

I got an interesting email today....

I bet you did.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

And this time, please, attempt refute the links within not snopes. It makes you appear foolish.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp ....yawn....try harder :)

Darn it Colin, you bet me to it by like 20 seconds!

I am curious why one would accept something stated on snopes but not from another source?

I am curious why one would accept something stated on snopes but not from another source?

Because snopes lists sources, unlike our fearless copy and pasting forum member.

I am curious why one would accept something stated on snopes but not from another source?

It's about creditability,which most long winded "listen to this" e-mails have zero of.

I am your enemy? Your ability to have a rational debate is amazing. I have clearly met my intellectual equal.

If you are a liberal, you are my enemy.
I presumed you a liberal, by your remark.

If you are conservative, then I apologize. I've just not read enough of your posts, to know who you are. There is a lot on these forums, that I do not see...

As far as your intellectual equal - doubtful.
It seems most liberals are highly educated idiots.
I know a lot of stuff. I just ain't too smart.

I am smart enough to know that if you violate the principles, the details don't matter, and any further discussion is just hot air.

liberals violate the laws of God, nature and physics - regardless of the consequences.
liberals have no problem stealing from We The People.

liberals are Relentless, Vile, Sniveling, Whining, Lying, Vitriolic Complainers.

This is characteristic of liberals.

So, if I confused you as being liberal, and you are in fact, not - I humbly apologize, again.

liberals violate the laws of God, nature and physics - regardless of the consequences.
liberals have no problem stealing from We The People.

liberals are Relentless, Vile, Sniveling, Whining, Lying, Vitriolic Complainers.

This is characteristic of liberals.

There is NOTHING like a post full of generalizations. :D

liberals violate the laws of God, nature and physicsWow, just wow. I love violating the laws of PHYSICS!

I am curious why one would accept something stated on snopes but not from another source?
I encourage and welcome debate, not fear mongering. And that appears to be the only thing most Republicans have to go on, fear. Ain't gonna work this time. You can say his middle name as much as you like, claim to be on God's side or alledge he is a terrorist, nobody wants another 4 years of McSame and Failin.

Now, you have my curiousity up. Suppose I got an email that said there were thousands of errors in our modern bible, that the woman being stoned for adultery never happened, and Christ did not rise from the dead... Would Snoops cover that too? Because, they have found that according to one of the two oldest complete bibles in the world says exactly that.

The CODEX SINAITICUS is being digitized and they are finding thousands of differences between it and our current bible. Something like two complete books that are not in our bible. Will Snoops varify that for you too?


http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=039448

Amen!

And now I have to type this just to make the 10 character post limit....I miss the old board.
Yoopr would really have a hard time with this... http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/Leland10/loudlaugh.gif

Hopefully, I can have an opinion - regardless of whether or not I can link it back to an accepted website or whatever...want to hear it? (probably not) but here it is...

We are moving fast towards Socialism. We will start to see internal civil war between us "Americans" and all of our newly recognized groups that have already dropped the "-American" from their names (like African-Americans, Latin-Americans, etc....) because they have been taught in schools funded by our tax dollars that they must at all costs maintain their separate culture (so why are they still here? just go back where your culture thrives...oh, I forgot, life isn't so easy there, is it?). If you hate what has made America what it is, then you should be happy to know that we are not even mentioned in the Bible in the book of Revelation (even symbolically) so let's laugh and bicker all the way into non-existence without waking up because, well, our time is limited here anyway. That's ok...we can be deliriously supportive of Obama's new beefed-up WELFARE proposal. Soon, as we look into the faces of those that WE have supported for so long (because they will be the ones with "the power") and we ask for a little returning of the favors...a little brotherly love (as Obama put's it...being "neighborly")...be prepared for them to laugh in your face because they hate us. And God and everyone and everything else that they have been taught to hate in school. How's that for change?

As I said before, I have nothing to link this back to - but I have taken my eyes off that bright, shiny object (it looks kind of like a donkey's ass) that seems to have the herds all hypnotized. I gave Obama the benefit of the doubt. I have tried to read everything I could read about him so that I could make an informed decision and give him the benefit of the doubt - because I was not completely happy with any of the candidates...Dem or Rep. But, the more I read, the worse it gets. So my opinion, independent of reading the back and forth here is that...Obama's statements are not American-made. And his plans evolve and become more unbelievable with every greedy bite that feeds his hungry ambition. He's got stars (not stars and stripes) in his eyes. BUt he's doing everything he can to get there...including being ok with fraudulent votes. Now THAT'S a REAL MAN, huh?

So McCain...he's not the prettiest, not the smoothest talker...at least he's American. I have watched the debates religiously and listened to as much news as I can so I can be informed...and I have decided that I am not ready to cast a vote for Socialism. And as far as Sarah Palin goes...when momma aint happy, aint nobody happy. I hope she gets to kick ass and take names....

I never went on a witch hunt to find radical or extremest information out about Obama, nor do I have anything against blacks. One of my three best friends in the whole world is Islamic - she's a pediatrician in England and her husband is from Pakistan. I am not a hater. I love her and her family dearly and I would do anything I could do for them and I do mean anything. And I do not hate "blacks", either...in fact, my two other best friends are black...one works for the State of California and he is from Nigeria and we have been good friends since 1990, the other lives in New Jersey and she is from Jamaica and she is in human resources at 3M. Anyone that is intelligent, regardless of how "different" they may seem, is friend/family-material to me. All of these people carry their own. And the two that are American citizens...who got that way legally...are scared to death of Obama!

So, anyone can shoot at will...I DO believe the things that I choose to believe. Obama can spend millions of his big Obama bucks and buy as much air time as he wants and accepts as many fraudulent votes as will get him in the White House...but he'll still be a pu**y...but for how long? Not long, I would only hope. I would be happier with freaking Biden in the White House than the Obamination.

ETA: I know, I make generalizations and I do accept that, plus I have a lot of fears for the safety of my county. And I have never gotten into a fist fight with a democrat, a liberal, an independent (well, I have never asked about political affiliation prior to ass-kicking) because I have never fought over politics - everyone has the right to their opinion. Call me shallow because of that if you want to...I don't take offense to much. I'm a lover, not a fighter. We will all have to face the consequences of our personal choices at another place and time. Everyone seems to be so passionate this time around, though (like me...I don't understand why there are so many infidels running around).

Now, you have my curiousity up. Suppose I got an email that said there were thousands of errors in our modern bible, that the woman being stoned for adultery never happened, and Christ did not rise from the dead... Would Snoops cover that too? Because, they have found that according to one of the two oldest complete bibles in the world says exactly that.

The CODEX SINAITICUS is being digitized and they are finding thousands of differences between it and our current bible. Something like two complete books that are not in our bible. Will Snoops varify that for you too?


http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=039448

Well, I haven't looked, but I suppose Snopes WOULD cover that, and probably say it was true... because the facts of your post are not really in dispute. The Codex exists. Whether or not it changes anything concerning the Bible is another story, and not relevant here.

Point is, you got an email that has been circulating the Internet, and you bought it hook, line and sinker without checking it out. When you repost such drivel, (about Obama) you're about as credible as the frazzled old lady who stood up in the townhall meeting and told McCain that she was "scared" of Obama because he was a...a....an Arab. :D

Hopefully, I can have an opinion - regardless of whether or not I can link it back to an accepted website or whatever...want to hear it? (probably not) but here it is...



Of course you are entitle to an opinion based on whatever sources you are comfortable with, whether you link to them or not. This is, after all, still America right? Unfortunately, Politics, like Religion, is one of those topics that seem to make people forget that we all have the RIGHT to our opinions whether you agree with them or not. And that we DO NOT have the right to bash people over the head with them.

The only place your opinion counts is the voting booth. It isn't anyone's place to try to change someone else's mind, that's what the cadidates are supposed to be doing. :)

Unfortunately, Politics, like Religion, is one of those topics that seem to make people forget that we all have the RIGHT to our opinions whether you agree with them or not. And that we DO NOT have the right to bash people over the head with them.

Bingo!!

*loud applause*

...This is, after all, still America right?...

So far, it is...

Well, I haven't looked, but I suppose Snopes WOULD cover that, and probably say it was true... because the facts of your post are not really in dispute. The Codex exists. Whether or not it changes anything concerning the Bible is another story, and not relevant here.

Point is, you got an email that has been circulating the Internet, and you bought it hook, line and sinker without checking it out. When you repost such drivel, (about Obama) you're about as credible as the frazzled old lady who stood up in the townhall meeting and told McCain that she was "scared" of Obama because he was a...a....an Arab. :D

Hobo, you're wrong. Yes, I did get an email. I thought it was interesting. I copied it and posted it. No, I did not check it out with SNOOPS. Why should I? I already have other reasons to believe that Obama is far from the right man for the job. The rest of you can make what you want of it. I simply "threw it out on the floor". Take a look at what I said to start off with, will you? "I GOT AN INTERESTING EMAIL." Nothing either for or against it. So, other than the fact that it was sent to me, I made no comment what-so-ever. Yet, you are putting words into my mouth.

Also, many of you are using SNOOPS as an "INFALLIBLE SOURCE". I don't remember the ocassion, but I do remember that snoops was in error. And, I can not believe that they are able to cover all aspects. So, check it out. See what they say about the CODEX SINAITICUS, and while you're at it, what does it say about the CODEX VATICANUS. See if it says anything about how they compare as to content. Your father was a minister. It should be a topic that you are familiar with. So, pick a topic that you should already know about and see how accurate snoops is. Then, transfer that accuracy to what you do not know as much about. How much room for error is there?

I like Snopes and they are right a lot of the time, but are also wrong at times, too. Additionally, they've got a bit of a left leaning slant to them lately. I don't let that bother me, because it's still a good site. But I don't use it to debunk anything political these days.

I bet you did.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

And this time, please, attempt refute the links within not snopes. It makes you appear foolish.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Snopes.com says:

Codex Vaticanus...

1. snopes.com: Vatican Pornography Collection •••
Does the Vatican house the world's largest collection of pornography?
...from the 4th century), one of the three earliest complete texts of the Codex Vaticanus (containing both the Old and New Testaments in ancient Greek),...
Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:24:19 GMT http://www.snopes.com/risque/porn/vatican.asp

And, they do not have ANY information about Codex Sinaiticus at all.

YankeeTURBO said:


Hobo, you're wrong. Yes, I did get an email. I thought it was interesting. I copied it and posted it. No, I did not check it out with SNOOPS. Why should I?


1) Because right now there are alot of inflammatory and erroneous emails circulating about both candidates.

2) Because recently Double L posted some of the same, that HE found "interesting," and was proved to be gullible.

3) To avoid exactly what happened.


I already have other reasons to believe that Obama is far from the right man for the job.


And that is fine that you have that opinion. I would rather hear YOUR reasons than have to read through the same slanderous emails that I would delete from my email inbox.


Take a look at what I said to start off with, will you? "I GOT AN INTERESTING EMAIL." Nothing either for or against it. So, other than the fact that it was sent to me, I made no comment what-so-ever.


But, combined with your previous posts and opinions, the fact that you found it "interesting," and the fact that you didn't check it out, or add a disclaimer, would lead a rational person to believe you agreed with it or endorsed it.

Yet, you are putting words into my mouth.

No I'm not. When I said you bought it hook, line and sinker.... that is an "opinion" of mine. I didn't claim that YOU wrote the email, or that you said any of those things about Obama. But, posting such a thing under your login without any disclaimer, pretty much means YOU are putting those words in your mouth. ;)


Also, many of you are using SNOOPS as an "INFALLIBLE SOURCE". I don't remember the ocassion, but I do remember that snoops was in error. And, I can not believe that they are able to cover all aspects. So, check it out. See what they say about the CODEX SINAITICUS, and while you're at it, what does it say about the CODEX VATICANUS. See if it says anything about how they compare as to content. Your father was a minister. It should be a topic that you are familiar with.


I, personally did not quote Snopes as a source. But, I went to the snopes link, and all their information was pretty much what I had read and seen elsewhere on this topic. Which is how I knew the email was B.S. to begin with.


So, pick a topic that you should already know about and see how accurate snoops is. Then, transfer that accuracy to what you do not know as much about. How much room for error is there?


Sorry, you lost me here.

BTW, (from your next post,) if Snopes doesn't mention the Codex Sinaiticus, it may well be because there are no such erroneous rumor emails floating around about it, or that no one has asked them about it. Don't really know, and can't speak for them.

Hopefully, I can have an opinion - regardless of whether or not I can link it back to an accepted website or whatever...want to hear it? (probably not) but here it is...Heck yeah I wanna hear it! Opinions are great and I clearly have a few :)

You are not posting it as Fact and it is clear that your decision is well thought out and reasonable. THAT is what America is about!

If you hate what has made America what it is, then you should be happy to know that we are not even mentioned in the Bible in the book of Revelation (even symbolically) so let's laugh and bicker all the way into non-existence without waking up because, well, our time is limited here anyway.
Just a little side note on this, and forgive me, I don't mean to change the subject, but my point does underline current events.
We are mentioned in Prophecy, in all the books, not just Revelation. You have to pull Scripture from all the sources, and when you discuss Prophecy, you have to look at Old Testament books like Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and books in the New Testament as well.

Britain and America are Ephraim and Manasseh. We inherited the birthrights, and will suffer the calamities. America's prophesied downfall in Scripture is described as an economic downfall, like a moneybag full of holes.

The great powers of our time have been and are the United States, the Soviet Union, Great Britain, Germany, France, and other Western European nations. The vital key is simply the identity of these great world powers in biblical prophecy. We are right on track with prophecy, and to tell you the truth, no American President is going to make any difference, or "change" the course of events which I think will soon erupt.

You think the people of the world are stunned, shocked, bewildered with current events right now? Boy howdy...things are going to surpass every imagination, and these things will relate directly and specifically with the United States, Great Britain, Russia, Western Europe, and the Middle East.

The prophecy is the future told now. I personally feel we may all as well enjoy this election...I doubt we will have many more to worry about. Live your life, and let live. Tomorrow is really going to get darker. Who is President is really going to pale in the significance of world events.

Don't get caught up in hate and negativity. Simplify your life, vote, be dignified, strive to die well... :D...we're boned...let God sort out this mess...McCain or Obama never will. :o

Couldn't have said it better myself, Hog.

Live well...that's the key. We know what's coming and there's not stopping or changing it. So, no sense worrying about it. Enjoy life and let the chips fall as they will.

That's very interesting, Roadhog. I don't know a lot about the Bible, I guess. But I am interested in learning more.