Truck routing GPS

[ICS]

I found this link to a stand alone Truck GPS anyone know anything about it?

http://www.teletype.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=330060&Category_Code=WorldNav

[worldisnotenough]

Never heard of it but that looks awesome! I have been hearing that something like this was coming out. I have been holding off buying a unit like that since I started. I just used S&T but this looks great.

[ICS]

I heard about one that Cobra was coming out with or came out with. But this thing i have never seen before. It is alot cheaper than the one Cobra came with.

[castlecreator]

I was researching the teletype (worldNav) and it seems like a good product and was going to order one, but then all the reasearch I did on them from past products was not that good. I actually cancelled the order and figured better wait and see what reviews this product gets. The older ones (for cars) had motherboard problems, were locking up and shutting down, don't know for sure yet if they actually fixed this problem on the new products. I read that the company was a spy base/tracking products for PI's... so guess we'll have to wait and see!?!?

[worldisnotenough]

Yep, I am waiting too! Until such time as the rating is good, S &T will do for me.

[Trivial Pursuit]

Damn…if you have a laptop get Microsoft Streets & Trips for a small fraction of the cost of that thing. Add the Truck Stops Plus template to it with 7250 stops including truck stops, Walmarts, rest areas, weigh stations, etc. at www.truckstopsplus.com. Add an under $50 dollar mobile laptop stand from www.mobilelaptopmount.com, and it’s everything you need for a small fraction of the price of that thing.

I would never trust any kind of product to do truck routing because new routes and low overheads are added and removed all the time. With the Truck Stops Plus, you can verify your routes right from your laptop screen and in a small amount of time. It only takes a few seconds. Likewise I would never trust the auto-reroute feature unless I was absolutely sure of the re-route. I’ve had some of them try to re-route through residential neighborhoods.

Oh yeah why a laptop is better, because you get a panoramic view you can’t get with stand alones, you also get point and click functionality, hence you can route and plan your trips a whole lot faster and easier, plus with a laptop you can multi task several jobs at one time, so it saves you tons of time. Not to mention all the other things you can do with a laptop.

[ICS]

I like that mount!!! very cheap and still looks like it can handle the job. I actually am thinking about making my own out of wood. it just might be worth the few penny's to get the nice clear one. I guess you cant beat that!!!

[Malaki86]

They were talking about that Teletype unit this weekend on Kevin Rutherford on XM chan 171. Apparently it has a *LOT* of problems and isn't too reliable for truck-specific routing.

I'll stick with CoPilot for now (plus I have the 7" screen for it, so it's easier to see).

[ICS]

I heard some bad stuff about it also. nothing in particular. I sure looks nice... I guess it will be streets and trips for awhile.

[INKTOXICATED]

I DRIVE NY 5 BOUROGHS EVERYDAY AND MY NUVI 600 SEIES HAS NOT LET ME DOWN.. REALLY IS A LIFE SAFER. HAVING A FLATBED THAT CAN CREEP UNDER 12'0 DOES HELP THO :)

[DieselBoss]

FYI

Last week, we completed a 5-week test of the TeleType 7" version. The test included in-house usage and OTR driver use in the US and Canada.

We feel that this product has great promise, but that the price tag is not yet justified at this time for the version as tested. We provided TeleType with a full and comprehensive report on the unit with clear suggestions from my in-house tests and the on-road driver comments.

I will update this thread for you if/when the product evolves and we do a second round evaluation.

Finally, I want to publicly thank TeleType for providing us with a loaner unit and for the open communications concerning their GPS product. There is a great need out there for a good hand-held GPS with real truck routes, low bridges, etc. and we are constantly watching out for this solution for drivers.

[highroller]

Any more input on the TeleType GPS? I am dying to find out more about it as well....I have been holding off buying it until I here a good review :-D

[DDCavi]

So im slightly confused. Is the Teletype the brand name of Worldnav or two different identities

[kneescraper]

Teletype is Worldnav.

I have been using one for over a month and I HATE IT!!!!! The damn thing is always telling you to exit and then get back on the freeway. It will tell you to turn when the only thing that changed is the name of the road. I use it on the I-5 corridor mostly. This thing SUCKS!!!! Punch in a trip from LA to Seattle and it will have you exit I-5 35 times and get back on.:mad:

I do a lot of pickup and del in the OXNARD, Salinas CA. area. Many times, it has tried to route me onto highways that don't recommend trucks over 30 feet. Yes, I enterend my truck length info correctly during the set-up.

This thing is a piece of garbage. Of course, I bought the thing in bumbf#$% nowhere so I can't get my money back. I prefer google maps for a printout of the directions and I am done.

[highroller]

Yikes....thnx for the input :-O

[DieselBoss]

This is a follow-up on our hand-held truck GPS product tests from earlier in this thread.

We just completed testing the upcoming release of the "PCmiler Truck Navigator" hand-held GPS due out to the public in Mid-November (at an estimated price of $349.)

Details:

Screen: 3.5" touchscreen. We found it to be quite clear and easy to see. It fades (as most do) in bright sunlight but still quite usable and not as faded as the TeleType screen. The touch function is easy and accurate. The buttons may be a little small if you have huge "sausage fingers" but most users will find them adequately sized. Very nicely allows for 4 different ways of viewing when you are driving (2D map, 3D map, Itinerary, or "Next Turn" modes)

Volume: Verbal directions are given including the road names that you are looking for. It is loud enough but as always the speaker is small and could be drowned out by cab noise if your rig is excessively loud inside.

Routing: It is powered by the Co-Pilot Truck 11 engine and is nearly identical to that program (for those who are familiar.) It includes routing for profiles for truck, car, motorcycle, and walking. It also has the ability to create custom routing profiles based on your particular road preferences. In use, it was easy to see the next turn and accurate as far as your position. It also gave us visual and audio alerts when we went down trucking restricted roads with low bridges or weight restrictions. It uses the PCMiler truck routing maps for this.

Trip Planning: Like the Co-Pilot 11 (and UN-like the Teletype unit tested) it allows you to put in up to 50 stops on a single trip and allows you to pre-plan from any point to any other point (rather than ONLY from where you are currently sitting like the TeleType.) The trip plan uses the road profile that you have selected and you can alter it easily by changing your profile or adding waypoints.

POI's - There are 6 million pre-programmed in. Includes truck stops, weigh stations, rest areas, Wal-Marts, etc. Unfortunately the exits are still included when you turn on the "Truck Services" alerts. That's fine only if you want to be alerted to every exit you are passing. Yikes. It is easy, however, to add a POI to your trip plan or to search for them around you or on your route.

Addresses and roads: Much like the CPT-11 program it has most of them that we tried, but still has the occasional unknown road and the issue where if a road has 2 names (like "Johnson street could also be called "SR-43 for instance) then it often only knows the address by ONE of those names and not by both. Still, the database is extensive throughout the US and Canada and this was not a show-stopper.

Additional misc features: The unit has battery backup and will function when not plugged in for over an hour (also in contrast to the TeleType 7" that we tested which shut off immediately and lost the current trip when unplugged or the truck ignition was shut off.) It has an SD card slot so that you can also add programs, store music, pictures, and video, etc on it. The unit as tested was not bluetooth capable.

It came with an AC charger, a 12V charger, and can be charged from your USB port on a laptop with one of those cords like what come with a digital camera. It also came with a suction cup windshield mount that held very well.

In summary: This was a good solution for those who don't have, or don't want to use, a laptop computer truck program GPS. We have heard no response from TeleType after providing an extensive test report to them in August so we can't update anything beyond what I said earlier in this thread about that solution.

We found the PCMiler Truck Navigator to be ready to go as-is and will begin shipping in November as long as they are delivered on schedule and we do not find any show-stopper problems with it between now and then.

- Don
www.dieselboss.com

Attachment: picture of the unit as tested

[Malaki86]

Well, the fact that the unit is based on CoPilot 11, I'll never buy one. I have CoPilot 11 sitting on a shelf at my house. It's not worth the drive space to install it. The fact that they are refusing to do any patches or upgrades to fix the multitude of problems with it is enough to say "Hell no."

Thanks for the info, though.

Edit:
Oh, just for anyone interested in CoPilot 11: I hope you don't travel in West Virginia with it. The ONLY roads in WV it has marked as truck legal are 4-lane highways. Sure, most of the 2-lane roads are crappy, but they ARE legal 99.5% of the time. After I received CP11 and found this out, I called ALK about it. They said that the weight limits in WV are 64,000 on all 2-lane roads. They didn't even believe me when I sent them a letter from the WV DOT listing weight-restricted routes, which only have about 10 roads on it.

[DieselBoss]

Hey Malaki,


It's been a while - I hope that the world is treating you well! Since you brought up your long-standing concerns with the CPT-11 laptop product, I'll update you with the latest since we talked last:

- You are correct that they originally said there would be patches to rev 11, and then several months later retracted that statement based on the workarounds and their current development projects on PCMiler and other Co-Pilot systems.

- The screen resolution problem was fixed by changing the window size in the "preferences.cfg" file so that no one has to change their actual native laptop resolution any more. Obviously that bug only applies to the laptop version and not to the Navigator.

- The features (like avoid/favor roads, POI manager, etc) are going to be included in ver 12 due out in spring/summer timeframe of 09. (or so the word to us is anyway)

- The map and address data has always been a concern - especially because many roads have more than one name and the ALK systems sometimes only have one of the names (like "Johnson Street" is also called "state route 23" for example.) We do find it to be greater than 95% accurate in day-to-day use though, especially if you try the road by different spellings (like highway verses hwy, or state route verses SR) The response is that this will be greatly improved in the ver 12 also.

- I researched the West Virginia roads a while back for another driver by calling the WV DOT and they responded that the ONLY roads that have NO trucking restrictions are the few major interstates. All of the other roads have either weight or size restrictions and that are explained in a very convoluted manner by their highway planners on the following 2 documents: http://www.wvdot.com/3_roadways/rp/GrossVehWeights/Vehicle%20Size%20Map.PDF AND http://www.wvdot.com/3_roadways/rp/GrossVehWeights/Gross%20Weight%20Limit.PDF. Because they break it down by length verses number of axles, weight per axle, number of feet between the axles, and about a dozen other confusing methods, ALL of those roads are CORRECTLY designated as trucking "RESTRICTIONS" but NOT truck "PROHIBITED" by Co-Pilot. If a driver knows that his rig, trailer, and load are "normal" height, weight, etc. then all he has to do is click on "Override Restrictions" in his routing setting. Co-Pilot will then route him down any of those 99.5% of roads in West Virginia like you say. It still will NOT put him on any of those trucking "prohibited" roads that the WV DOT identified however. Whoever gave you the "weight limits in WV are 64,000 on all 2-lane roads" answer at ALK gave you and incomplete and inaccurate explanation.

So far, the options for truck routing GPS are still very limited out there to my knowledge. We have a ton of drivers using the ver 9 and ver 11 Co-Pilots who know the limitations but feed back that the benefits (especially for new drivers) far outweigh those limitations.

If you know of any other units that we can "run through their paces" on the market, please let me know and we will provide test reports on them too. At the moment we believe that the PCMiler Navigator units are pretty cool and are going to at least bring another truck routing GPS, especially without having to mount a laptop, to the drivers.

Best regards on your continued safety and success out there and thanks again for the feedback.

[Malaki86]

Good info on the screen resolution problem. You'd think they'd put that info on the FAQ page. I truly miss the avoid/favor and POI manager in CP11.

As for other truck specific solutions, you're right - hardly any are out there. I know that in Europe, there are a few choices for true truck specific routing using NAVTEQ Transport. It's a new set of data added to the already incredible NAVTEQ map data. The data includes all railroad crossings, bridge heights/limits, road length/weight limits, etc.

If you do a Google search for "navteq transport", you'll get a nice selection of information.

Also, Siemens-VDO was supposed to release a truck specific GPS unit. Their unit is a 2-piece setup. There is a control box that can be hidden and a choice of monitors, up to a 7". If you search here, you may find links I've posted about it. Just search the forums for "siemens" and you should get something.

Right now, I'm having issues with my laptop/GPS in the truck. For some reason, I can't get any receivers to work unless I'm going under 35mph or so. I've tried 3 different receivers and am getting the same results on all of them. I even formatted/reinstalled everything on the laptop with no luck...

[Harold J. Carter]

As of October 3rd, 2008

There are many major and minor defects that make the Teletype unit unusable for car or truck navigation.

WRONG TURNS – The GPS unit will direct the driver to turn right when the actual route is to turn left.

SKIPPED TURNS – The GPS will indicate that the next turn is right when the actual route is to turn left, continue for 1km and then turn right.

WRONG ROUTING – The GPS unit will direct the driver to turn off of a Highway in favor of narrow dirt roads. This condition applies to all settings (car quickest, car shortest, car prefer highways, car avoid highways, truck quickest, truck shortest, truck prefer highways, truck avoid highways).

WRONG REROUTE – When a turn is missed or skipped, the GPS will recalculate the route to the destination. This recalculation will direct the driver many miles/kilometers the wrong way only to circle back to the destination. Example: Destination is 1km from current position … the GPS will create a 10 km route to end up at the destination.

WRONG GUIDANCE – The GPS will direct the driver to bear right on the road you are already on even though the road is straight as an arrow. The correct action should be to indicate the next turn at an intersection.

AUTOZOOM – Autozoom does not function on the Teletype GPS and must be disabled. With autozoom active, the map display is so close in that the map is unusable. With autozoom disabled, the drive must manually zoom out and zoom in for driving and approaching turns.

ROADS DISSAPEAR – At certain zoom levels, (500m and up), the roads will disappear from the screen leaving a route line on a blank map. The map of the roads may or may not return. The driver must zoom in and then zoom out to force the unit to display the roads once again.

STREET NAMES – Street names are not shown on screen is the zoom level is set to a level that allows you to see crossroads ahead. (300m and up)

WRONG HIGHWAY NAMES – The GPS will not accept a destination address of HWY … you must use a formal highway name of “KING’S HIGHWAY” for Ontario. Note that all other GPS units on the market as well as computer navigation software accept HWY or HIGHWAY.

VISIBILITY - The backlight on the GPS is too dim to see in bright daylight. For daytime use, the automatic backlight setting must be disabled and the brightness on the monitor need to be turned up to full power.

BRIDGE HEIGHTS ETC – We have not tested this main feature as we could not even navigate from point “A” to point “B” properly.

All of the above defects have been documented with video recording and presented to Teletype over the past three months. Teletype stated that the version T6.0902r98M is final and there is nothing more that can be done to correct the defects.

Harold J. Carter ....

[Malaki86]

It makes you wonder if these companies even bother testing the devices themselves before putting it out on the shelf for people to buy...

[DieselBoss]

Right now, I'm having issues with my laptop/GPS in the truck. For some reason, I can't get any receivers to work unless I'm going under 35mph or so. I've tried 3 different receivers and am getting the same results on all of them. I even formatted/reinstalled everything on the laptop with no luck...

Hey man. Any update on your receiver problem. I have never run across one that wouldn't work becasue of the speed of the truck!!

[Malaki86]

You wouldn't believe what the problem was...

I got the new receiver, put it on the dash in the same spot as the old one and it worked - until I turned on my CB. Turns out the coax was bad on it. I replaced the coax and now every one of my receivers work perfect.

It was enough to drive me batty.

[DieselBoss]

You wouldn't believe what the problem was...

I got the new receiver, put it on the dash in the same spot as the old one and it worked - until I turned on my CB. Turns out the coax was bad on it. I replaced the coax and now every one of my receivers work perfect.

It was enough to drive me batty.

Aaaah. Funny how it seems impossible at first and then makes sense once you figure it out. That's good info for us. An RF leak from bad coax can interfere with the GPS receiver signal transmission to the laptop. Thanks for the update.

[bigm3944]

Hey Diesel do you have any further info on the pc miller unit ie delivery date ect

Thx

[DieselBoss]

Hey Diesel do you have any further info on the pc miller unit ie delivery date ect

Thx

As of this date, they will begin shipping in the second half of November at a suggested retail price of $349. That date and price isn't "written in stone" yet, but that is the latest I have on it.

[jegzus]

I run the northeast including the 5 boroughs and I just use my Nuvi 350. I know it's a stretch for some people but a little common sense goes a long way when using a GPS.

Personally until Rand Mcnally develops or is named in a trucking GPS I will never buy one. My Nuvi works extremely well on the truck setting for being a car/light truck GPS. Sure it will tell you to take some truck restricted routes but if you keep your eyes open you can avoid any major problems long before they occur.

[CanadianFTE]

Hey Malaki,
If you know of any other units that we can "run through their paces" on the market, please let me know and we will provide test reports on them too. At the moment we believe that the PCMiler Navigator units are pretty cool and are going to at least bring another truck routing GPS, especially without having to mount a laptop, to the drivers.

Best regards on your continued safety and success out there and thanks again for the feedback.

Hey DieselBoss
I,m new to this forum and have been looking at stand alone gps units. I heard the bad reviews on worldnav and less on co-pilot but have heard goodyear is coming out with a new unit early 09.I think it,s called gy540x and has truck routing/restrictions. Apparently this one also will have a fm transmiter so you can here directions through your stereo (no more straining to here directions ). Is there any chance of you getting your hands on a beta version for testing? If this one lives up to there hype I would pick it up. Thanks!:clap:

[DieselBoss]

Hey DieselBoss
I,m new to this forum and have been looking at stand alone gps units. I heard the bad reviews on worldnav and less on co-pilot but have heard goodyear is coming out with a new unit early 09.I think it,s called gy540x and has truck routing/restrictions. Apparently this one also will have a fm transmiter so you can here directions through your stereo (no more straining to here directions ). Is there any chance of you getting your hands on a beta version for testing? If this one lives up to there hype I would pick it up. Thanks!:clap:


Thanks for the heads-up driver. We will contact Goodyear about getting an evaluation unit. It looks like it is going to be called a "Goodyear GY-500X." Will hit this thread when I have more info.

[CanadianFTE]

Thanks for the heads-up driver. We will contact Goodyear about getting an evaluation unit. It looks like it is going to be called a "Goodyear GY-500X." Will hit this thread when I have more info.

Thanks DieselBoss I look forward to test results!