Mexican truck drivers taking over!

[roadrage]

http://www.truckingboards.com/trucking/upload/general-truck-drivers-forum/12668-its-official-mexican-trucks-coming.html


Everyone needs to follow the link and TAKE ACTION NOW!
You might have to register.But, who cares there are plenty of links to your local congressman etc..

If you fail to voice your opinion you only have you to BLAME!
Within the next two months this will effect your life and your wallet.

[PackRatTDI]

Yawn.

In other news, the sun came up today and a dog somewhere in the world took a leak on a fire hydrant.

[roadrage]

Yawn.

In other news, the sun came up today and a dog somewhere in the world took a leak on a fire hydrant.This is no joke and is a real threat to American drivers and there families safety.
You are the reason both Democrates and Republicans can run over the American people.Obviously you did not read anything i linked.
This issue is like nothing ever before seen by the trucking industry.

Maybe you should read and understand that this rule will effect all Americans lives.This is not opnion but FACT!

[Goin Fer It]

Yawn.

In other news, the sun came up today and a dog somewhere in the world took a leak on a fire hydrant.

Yep keep yawning just like the workers did before all the jobs were sent to India in the high tech world.....that only after most of the customer service jobs had already been sent....just like we have lost most of our manufacturing base here in America. You are silly and you need to get a clue before it is to late that is unless you have something to gain by the destruction of America as we know it today.

Goin Fer It's Wife

[Mr. Ford95]

There is a thread already steaming along over on the Anything and Everything board.

[PackRatTDI]

Yawn.

In other news, the sun came up today and a dog somewhere in the world took a leak on a fire hydrant.

Yep keep yawning just like the workers did before all the jobs were sent to India in the high tech world.....that only after most of the customer service jobs had already been sent....just like we have lost most of our manufacturing base here in America. You are silly and you need to get a clue before it is to late that is unless you have something to gain by the destruction of America as we know it today.

Goin Fer It's Wife

Whatever chief. I'm not buying into the "OMG the world is going to end" scenario.

Though feel free to bash me as un-American and the anti-Christ. I've gotten used to that from other trucking forums.

[Goin Fer It]

Whatever chief. I'm not buying into the "OMG the world is going to end" scenario.

You have obviously never read the Summit of The Americas documents and for those who are informed and do care about what is going on there is no need for you to insult them with your snide remarks.

Goin Fer It's Wife

[PackRatTDI]

Whatever chief. I'm not buying into the "OMG the world is going to end" scenario.

You have obviously never read the Summit of The Americas documents and for those who are informed and do care about what is going on there is no need for you to insult them with your snide remarks.

Goin Fer It's Wife

You know what they say about making ASSumptions.

[roadrage]

Yawn.

In other news, the sun came up today and a dog somewhere in the world took a leak on a fire hydrant.

Yep keep yawning just like the workers did before all the jobs were sent to India in the high tech world.....that only after most of the customer service jobs had already been sent....just like we have lost most of our manufacturing base here in America. You are silly and you need to get a clue before it is to late that is unless you have something to gain by the destruction of America as we know it today.

Goin Fer It's Wife

Whatever chief. I'm not buying into the "OMG the world is going to end" scenario.

Though feel free to bash me as un-American and the anti-Christ. I've gotten used to that from other trucking forums.Who in the hell said the world was ending!! or how has the issue of "antichrist" have anything to do with the matter at hand?
I have a pretty good idea why you have had problems with other trucking boards!
There is no lines drawn this will affect O/O, company drivers ,Ltl,TL,local drivers etc..
I really hope you are the only one who thinks this is no big deal.
Please folks lets be heard and e-mail your represenitive TODAY.
If you can tie your shoe or better yet post a message on a board you can send the darn e-mail.Links were provided if you need more i will get them!
this is about Americans safety and job security!!

[Cluggy619]

Here's what pisses me off on that.

Some *****HOLE approved to allowed 100 Mexican companies to roam here in the USA, while we have to wait to be approved to roam in Mexico.

What G@d D&mm F#cking **** Wh@rebag of a F#cking G@d D&mm Administration decided that this was a good idea?

I'll tell you. Those that the big companies here are sponsoring. This is nothing more than a ploy to lower truck drivers wages. That's it. Nothing more.

What can you do about it?

Stop working for those companies.

And by the way......it's dangerous on US roads....anything can happen to those Mexican rigs...... :twisted: :twisted:

[Goin Fer It]

You know what they say about making ASSumptions.

So then why are you making them?

Goin Fer It's Wife

[roadrage]

Here's what pisses me off on that.

Some *****HOLE approved to allowed 100 Mexican companies to roam here in the USA, while we have to wait to be approved to roam in Mexico.

What G@d D&mm F#cking **** Wh@rebag of a F#cking G@d D&mm Administration decided that this was a good idea?

I'll tell you. Those that the big companies here are sponsoring. This is nothing more than a ploy to lower truck drivers wages. That's it. Nothing more.

What can you do about it?

Stop working for those companies.

And by the way......it's dangerous on US roads....anything can happen to those Mexican rigs...... :twisted: :twisted:This all started back under President Bush senior in 1992 and every President republican and democrate have supported it.
Here is the trick you will not want to drive in Mexico and the lawmakers already know this this is why Mexicans will take all of the runs.There are no rest stops flying j's etc. Mexican ports have updated endlessly the last few years because everything we import from China will come thru Mexico and delivered by Mexican drivers in the States.
Both Democrates and Republicans are hoping this goes over without a fuss from American drivers and citizens they are monitoring the news and congressional e-mails to see if we get pissed or do nothing.

[PackRatTDI]

You know what they say about making ASSumptions.

So then why are you making them?

Goin Fer It's Wife

I stated I'm not buying into the whole destruction of American scenario. That's not an assumption, that's an opinion.

[Goin Fer It]

You know what they say about making ASSumptions.


So then why are you making them?

Goin Fer It's Wife



I stated I'm not buying into the whole destruction of American scenario. That's not an assumption, that's an opinion.

Well I would say it is more of an assumption that the Hemispheric Integration will not end the America as we now know it.

Goin Fer It's Wife

[PackRatTDI]

You know what they say about making ASSumptions.


So then why are you making them?

Goin Fer It's Wife



I stated I'm not buying into the whole destruction of American scenario. That's not an assumption, that's an opinion.

Well I would say it is more of an assumption that the Hemispheric Integration will not end the America as we now know it.

Goin Fer It's Wife No more an assmption that the one you are making that it will.

[feederfred]

and he drives a tour bus full of Mexicans.....What did you expect ???

[PackRatTDI]

and he drives a tour bus full of Mexicans.....What did you expect ???

I don't drive a bus.

[Goin Fer It]

No more an assmption that the one you are making that it will.

That is not an assumption we have already seen the damage on the school systems, the jail systems, welfare systems and much other damage that the influx of illegals has already created.

Goin Fer It' Wife

[PackRatTDI]

No more an assmption that the one you are making that it will.

That is not an assumption we have already seen the damage on the school systems, the jail systems, welfare systems and much other damage that the influx of illegals has already created.

Goin Fer It' Wife

The illegal immigration issue and the trucking issue are separate issues.

The sad part is you people are being played like a fiddle and you don't even know it.

[RoadKing2525]

You know what they say about making ASSumptions.

So then why are you making them?

Goin Fer It's Wife

I stated I'm not buying into the whole destruction of American scenario. That's not an assumption, that's an opinion.

Yea, I've seen this "rat" guy posting on other forums. He's some Mexican that hates America and all things American. He's called people racists when they state they don't want Mexicans taking their jobs!

This "Ratman" is THE ENEMY WITHIN! This seems to be typical of these Mexicans who get into the US. They come for the money because they are too cowardly to fight for their own freedom and prosperity back in Mexico. They want a better life.. fine, effort in in Mexico That's why it's called Mexico cause Mexicans live there! (Or Should Be).

NAFTA MUST be recinded.... The Mexican part anyway!

Time to take a stand and say "This far and no farther"!

[PackRatTDI]

You know what they say about making ASSumptions.

So then why are you making them?

Goin Fer It's Wife

I stated I'm not buying into the whole destruction of American scenario. That's not an assumption, that's an opinion.

Yea, I've seen this "rat" guy posting on other forums. He's some Mexican that hates America and all things American. He's called people racists when they state they don't want Mexicans taking their jobs!

No, I called the derrogatory statements you made about Mexicans racist. Don't try to twist the facts pal.



This "Ratman" is THE ENEMY WITHIN!
The only enemy here is ignorance.

[Goin Fer It]

and he drives a tour bus full of Mexicans.....What did you expect ???

Maybe he is here on a guest worker pass! Good to see you posting feeder!
Miss you on my thread!

Goin Fer It's Wife

[PackRatTDI]

and he drives a tour bus full of Mexicans.....What did you expect ???

Maybe he is here on a guest worker pass! Good to see you posting feeder!
Miss you on my thread!

Goin Fer It's Wife

Don't need one, I'm born and raised in the USA, thank you very much.

[Goin Fer It]

Yea, I've seen this "rat" guy posting on other forums. He's some Mexican that hates America and all things American. He's called people racists when they state they don't want Mexicans taking their jobs!

This "Ratman" is THE ENEMY WITHIN! This seems to be typical of these Mexicans who get into the US. They come for the money because they are too cowardly to fight for their own freedom and prosperity back in Mexico. They want a better life.. fine, effort in in Mexico That's why it's called Mexico cause Mexicans live there! (Or Should Be).

NAFTA MUST be recinded.... The Mexican part anyway!

Time to take a stand and say "This far and no farther"!

PackRatTDI

So are you in our country on a guest worker permit PackRat?

Goin Fer It's Wife

[Goin Fer It]

PackRatTDI

Do you feel that it is okay for illegals to come to this country illegally....not learn our language and break our economy? What makes you think your job is protected?

Goin Fer It's Wife

[RoadKing2525]

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No, I called the derrogatory statements you made about Mexicans racist. Don't try to twist the facts pal.





Since when did Mexican become a race? And yes there are many negative facts about Mexico, that's why it's called a "Third World" country. I don't want to live in Mexico... it' a cesspool, and I sure don't want all of Mexico moving here. I don't want their nastyness in America !

Mexicans have NO RIGHT to work in America, their Mexicans and need to be working in Mexico!

If you were an American you would understand that!

Just say no to Mexican drivers in America!

[PackRatTDI]

PackRatTDI

Do you feel that it is okay for illegals to come to this country illegally....not learn our language and break our economy? What makes you think your job is protected?

Goin Fer It's Wife

No I don't. But that's not the issue we're discussing. Mexican truck drivers asking for the same privileges granted to Canadian truck drivers for the transportation of freight has nothing to do with the illegal immigration issue.

As for "breaking" the economy, that depends on who you talk to and what agenda they are pushing.

[PackRatTDI]

[
No, I called the derrogatory statements you made about Mexicans racist. Don't try to twist the facts pal.





Since when did Mexican become a race? And yes there are many negative facts about Mexico, that's why it's called a "Third World" country. I don't want to live in Mexico... it' a cesspool, and I sure don't want all of Mexico moving here. I don't want their nastyness in America !

Mexicans have NO RIGHT to work in America, their Mexicans and need to be working in Mexico!

If you were an American you would understand that!

Just say no to Mexican drivers in America!

Racism isn't relegated to just race, it also applies to ethnic backgrounds as well.

If Mexicans have the proper documentation, they have EVERY right to work in this country as any other foreign national with legal paperwork. That's the law. Don't like it? Tough.

As for my status, I don't need to prove my citizenship to you or any other jackass.

[RoadKing2525]

Don't need one, I'm born and raised in the USA, thank you very much.

This is what I'm talking about. This guy is born here but he is no American and never will be. He is Mexican full of hate for Americans! There are tens of millions just like him in this country flying our flag upside down, saying they want to ANNEX the Southwest to Mexico!. They are not Americans, they are the "enemy within"!

[Goin Fer It]

PackRatTDI

Look if you think Mexico is so great why don't you move down there instead of having America become a third world country.

Goin Fer It's Wife

[PackRatTDI]

PackRatTDI

Look if you think Mexico is so great why don't you move down there instead of having America become a third world country.

Goin Fer It's Wife

Look, I answered your question about illegal immigration in the hope that you wanted to have an intelligent, civil debate on the issue. However it's clear that you don't want to do so. So I'll leave you and roadking to come to whatever f*cking conclusion you want to.

[Goin Fer It]

Don't need one, I'm born and raised in the USA, thank you very much.

This is what I'm talking about. This guy is born here but he is no American and never will be. He is Mexican full of hate for Americans! There are tens of millions just like him in this country flying our flag upside down, saying they want to ANNEX the Southwest to Mexico!. They are not Americans, they are the "enemy within"!


I would not be surprised if he is here on a pass. My step-dad is of Mexican descent and so was my best friend in school and most Americans including those of Mexican descent do not want what is going on. My step-dad calls them wet backs and does not want them invading the country.

Goin Fer It's Wife

[RoadKing2525]

Lets keep in mind there is nothing n Mexico that is not faked, forged, or obtained thru bribes (mordida’s) It’s part of their culture to forge or fake every piece of documentation possible. They think of it as being smarter than the next guy not as something criminal, wrong or deceitful.

Mexican “Authorities” (who are drug smugglers and criminals) are probably looking forward to all the new bribes they will be getting from Mexican drivers flush with pesos! Remember Mexico is a third world country and by definition a nation of illiterate peasants. That’s what it means to be “Third World”. They can barely read in their own language much less English signs!

Wait until you go to pick up a trailer at a drop yard in say Iowa and the glad hand seals are missing and the trailer taillights are gone! Also, remember many narcotics ARE LEGAL in Mexico, i.e.. Cocaine amphetamines, etc. No drug testing, no medicals checks, no background checks, no driving history checks, nothing! These guys are all going to be hopped up on something! And remember these Mexicans are driving for .09 to .15 cent per mile taking OUR 1500 mile loads!

This is what Mary Peters (Transportation Secretary) said from OOida’s website:

The inspection teams also will check whether drivers have a valid commercial driver’s license, have a current medical certificate and can comply with U.S. hours-of-service rules.

Hah! What a crock! Here’s OOida’s response:

“They can’t confirm whether they are safe or not. The documentation doesn’t exist on driver experience, drug testing or anything else,” OOIDA President Jim Johnston said.Spencer said not only are U.S. regulations on Americans more stringent in terms of verifying that a driver has been tested, but U.S. licenses can also be verified to show driving history, violations and compliance of any vehicle driven going back even a decade or longer. When enforcement officials run a Mexican CDL, the only information he can access will be that of previous operation in the U.S., not Mexico where a driver might have a rap sheet as along as your arm.

Mexico has never had specific drug testing regulations or hours-of-service rules for its drivers that could be verified or enforced and still doesn’t.“There is simply no way anyone can know whether a truck driver coming from Mexico entering the U.S. has been awake two hours or two weeks when they clear the border,” he said.

”This is a traitorous act by our president. I see rebellion, uprisings, and chaos in America’s future!

[Cluggy619]

Look, y'all.

I don't have a problem with people crossing the boarder looking for work. If I was on the other side, I would too, and so would most of you. But that's NOT the problem as I see it.

The problem is the 100 trucking companies in Mexico being able to operate on US roads. Now, we all know that those trucking companies are sponsored by American trucking companies....Anybody know of a few? So now these companies have a unlimited resource at a very cheap price. All they have to offer is the ability to work in the US......most Mexican drivers would jump at the chance, even at .15 per mile. And you can bet they will run teams.

This is what bothers us all. So how can we stop it?

1st. Avoid any company who does business with a Mexican trucking outfit, even if they own it. To those who don't know what that means, you simply don't drive for them. And if you are working for a company who sponsor them, find another company who doesn't.

2nd. Make it expensive for Mexican trucking companies to drive on US soil. Yes, this IS illegal. It means doing damage to trucks from Mexico. Flat tires, kingpins pulled, brakes out of adjustment, cut airlines, etc. If it's too expensive to run their trucks here, they will stop.

3rd. If you see their trucks at a truck-stop, do whatever it takes to make them feel as UNWELCOME as you can. This too may be illegal, depending on the level you take it too.

Bottom line. It's your paycheck. And it is a war. This is what it is going to take before it stops.

Or change careers, and go into something that the US won't import a cheaper person to do.

Choice is yours.

[sweepwing]

I sincerely hope that everyone calls their reps and senators and complain about this. Addtionally, please sign the online petitions against this.

PLEASE do not waste your time with Packrat and his nonsense. He eventually calls anyone that disagrees with him a racist.

Call your representatives and senators tomorrow. I will.

[PackRatTDI]

PLEASE do not waste your time with Packrat and his nonsense. He eventually calls anyone that disagrees with him a racist.

Call your representatives and senators tomorrow. I will.

I only referred to the derrogatory remarks Roadking made on another forum as being racist. Please do not distort the facts.

Thank you.

[Cluggy619]

I saw this post....it's already started.....

How worried should the American truck driver be about cheap Mexican drivers,I heard Celadon is seriously looking at outsourcing their drivers
Mexican Drivers
Arguments against opening the border to Mexican trucks (and drivers) includes the fear that Mexican drivers will take American jobs.
Celadon to Utilize Mexican Drives to Save Money
(Indianapolis-November 22, 2004) -- Like many Hoosier manufacturers that go outside the country looking for cheaper labor, a local trucking company is about to utilize Mexican truck drivers to save money and boost its earnings in the future.

The move could increase Celadon Trucking's profits by as much as 80 cents a share within the next two years, according to President Thomas Glaser.

Glaser said the U.S. Dept. of Transportation is about to lift regulations that have previously restricted Mexican truckers from driving farther than 20 miles into the U.S. The rule has forced truckers to switch loads coming from Mexico with Mexican drivers, to trucks driven by American drivers, adding significantly to their expenses.

Celedon just comes out and says it, we're going to use them and we're going to make money because of the cheaper labor costs. The fear that Mexican drivers will take American jobs I think is a valid fear and not just propaganda put out by the union. American drivers that now haul stuff either directly from Mexico or from just across the border to it's final destination in the US will be replaced if Celedon gets it's wish.
Trucking firms like Celadon say they will save money and operate more efficiently with the restriction gone.[/url]

[scania]

ok,sorry just stumbled on it and it is an eye opener.....

[greg3564]

It means doing damage to trucks from Mexico. Flat tires, kingpins pulled, brakes out of adjustment, cut airlines, etc. If it's too expensive to run their trucks here, they will stop.


:shock: Dude! Those kinds of actions could unintentionally kill others on the road, maybe even you or your family. That's a little over the top.

[merrick4]

Here's what pisses me off on that.

Some *****HOLE approved to allowed 100 Mexican companies to roam here in the USA, while we have to wait to be approved to roam in Mexico.

What G@d D&mm F#cking **** Wh@rebag of a F#cking G@d D&mm Administration decided that this was a good idea?

I'll tell you. Those that the big companies here are sponsoring. This is nothing more than a ploy to lower truck drivers wages. That's it. Nothing more.

What can you do about it?

Stop working for those companies.

And by the way......it's dangerous on US roads....anything can happen to those Mexican rigs...... :twisted: :twisted:

Exactly. Stop working for these companies. It's sad but we have more power than you would think.

[merrick4]

I've only been driving otr for about 4 months, and the other day when they found out that I speak Spanish (I'm not spanish) they asked if I would be a trainer as they need a spanish speaking trainer. Now I wouldn't be a trainer anyway because I don't want to live in a small truck with another man (of course a pretty little senorita might be ok :D ) but hell I'm not going to help them outsource my job.

But unfortunately many will. Before driving otr, I had a decent local job. I was making real good money because of the overtime. Well they went and started hiring from a temp agency and we were supposed to take them out on our routes and train them. I was the only one that refused. I told them, you want to cut my hours well go ahead but don't ask me to help you do it.

[RoadKing2525]

OK, here’s the skinny on the Mexican wage plan,

This is from a Major Carriers Conference in Atlanta 2005 and reported on by The Tombstone Tumbleweed (Now defunct, but I downloaded and saved the article).

Here’s the plan:

They hire the Mexicans (or some of the 20 Million about to get Amnesty) at what is known a “starting” or “training” wage, say .22-.26 (Newly instituted) per mile but change the time limit and structure for pay increases. They cancel all bonus programs, incentive programs, and maybe even some Benefits packages for their current drivers causing some to quit.

As most truck companies have an 80% to %135 turnover they just sit back and wait for them to leave, then advertise for new drivers all needing to start (regardless of experience) at “starting wages”. Of course no Americans apply (almost none) so they’ve met the Guidelines for the “Fair Labor Practices Act” and the guidelines for hiring persons outside the country needing an H1B Visa doing jobs American don’t want! Slick… huh?

Through attrition and over the next few years they have a mostly full staff of Mexicans driving indefinitely at these “starting wages” or “training wages”. Viola! Were outta work, the companies double their profits, and Mexicans flood America!

Here’s the article. Remember it has been deleted from the original website but I unloaded to my “Google Doc’s” site <grin>. Also, as the original article is in PDF format and Google Doc’s does not allow PDF uploads, I have retyped the article so it could be unloaded in text format and converted to HTML. When I read it about six months ago for some reason I thought it might be important? If anyone doubts the validity of the article msg me and I will send you the original PDF as an attachment.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc3fncx6_24fms6gg

Update: The article is not listed on the Tombstone archives page but I found a link to the original article here: See page 8 for the article.

http://tombstonetumbleweed.com/PDF_Archives/TumbleSep0105.pdf

[Cluggy619]

It means doing damage to trucks from Mexico. Flat tires, kingpins pulled, brakes out of adjustment, cut airlines, etc. If it's too expensive to run their trucks here, they will stop.


:shock: Dude! Those kinds of actions could unintentionally kill others on the road, maybe even you or your family. That's a little over the top.

I understand. Fully. If it bothers you, just flatten ALL tires, so the truck sits on the rims. Or do what it takes so the truck doesn't move at all. Loosen the oil plug on the engine. Whatever it takes.

The ideal is NOT to let these rigs on US roads.

It's war. It's us or them. Take your pick. :twisted:

[greg3564]

Don't need one, I'm born and raised in the USA, thank you very much.

I would not be surprised if he is here on a pass.
Goin Fer It's Wife

What part of "Don't need one, I'm born and raised in the USA" don't you get? I think PackRat established the fact that he's not "Mexican" or a "wetback" as you put it. Jesh! :roll:

[mowman]

This is pretty serious stuff. Some old-timers are kinda blase about this because they remember the same type of panic setting in when Canadian drivers were allowed on our roads.

The difference is that Canadians won't and aren't expected to work for .10 / mile.

Here's the gist as I understand it. I'd appreciate any clarification/amplification.

... a Mexican CDL will equal an American CDL. The concern here is that Mexico doesn't have the ability to track driver history like we do in the USA. In addition, there is a big concern regarding forged documents.

... Mexicans will be expected to pass DOT inspections as we do. The concern here is that there simply aren't enough inspectors to take on this new requirement.

... Mexicans will be expected to have insurance from US insurance companies.

... Mexicans will be expected to follow our HOS rules. The concern here is falsification and the fact that there's no control over what happens in Mexico prior to crossing the border.

... Mexican drivers will only be allowed to carry freight originating or destined in/to Mexico. I don't know how easy it would be to get around this. The same restriction will apply to us when travelling SOB.

The main concern is that Mexicans are willing to work for .10 / mile. This is the first step, but it does not open the entire country to Mexican drivers right now.

However... have you been on I-35 lately? What's happening is that overseas companies are finding it much cheaper to ship to Mexican ports. The Chinese factor in here in that they own much of the port facilities there.

I-35 is being expanded up to Kansas City with the goal of that city becoming the main entry of overseas goods (carried from Mexican ports) into the US.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist - although I've read a lot of conspiracy theory. This is happening. If you've been on I-35 in the Southwest, you'll see it's much more than a theory at this time. This major construction includes roads and rail.

So what does this mean in the long run? I'm guessing we'll see huge changes in shipping lanes. We're a global economy. Companies that produce and ship domestically may not be affected. Companies that deal globally probably will have a main freight lane between themselves and Kansas City because once it gets there it's very cheap (with Mexican drivers, or rail) to get it overseas.

My guess is that this doesn't add to US freight totals because I'm thinking US drivers will be very reluctant to travel in Mexico. It's certainly something I'm not looking forward to due to safety concerns (banditos) and lack of facilities. Perhaps over time the big chains will move there - or some enterprising Mexican firm will fill the need.

[Cluggy619]

After hours of writing on this board, I have finally come to a solution.

I'm moving to Mexico. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Goin Fer It]

Don't need one, I'm born and raised in the USA, thank you very much.

I would not be surprised if he is here on a pass.
Goin Fer It's Wife

What part of "Don't need one, I'm born and raised in the USA" don't you get? I think PackRat established the fact that he's not "Mexican" or a "wetback" as you put it. Jesh! :roll:

I guess just a FOOL and or a traitor anyone who could possibly entertain the idea that Hemispheric Integration would be good for this country is off of their rocker :roll:

Goin Fer It's Wife

[Orangetxguy]

This all started back under President Bush senior in 1992 and every President republican and democrate have supported it.
Here is the trick you will not want to drive in Mexico and the lawmakers already know this this is why Mexicans will take all of the runs.There are no rest stops flying j's etc. Mexican ports have updated endlessly the last few years because everything we import from China will come thru Mexico and delivered by Mexican drivers in the States.
Both Democrates and Republicans are hoping this goes over without a fuss from American drivers and citizens they are monitoring the news and congressional e-mails to see if we get pissed or do nothing.

I'm gonna step in here and say, that this assumption is wrong.! President Clinton, in 1993, placed an "Executive Hold", on Trucks from Mexico from traveling on American roads, beyond the 70 mile limit. He issued his order, based on available information, that Mexican Operations did not meet USDOT & FMCSA standards of operation. "It is about the safety of Americans".

NAFTA was not started by Bush 1. NAFTA was started by Reagan. Now, here we are with Bush 2, with a Supreme Court that has 3, Bush 2 appointees, and that Supreme Court has overturned the "Executive Hold" issued by President Clinton, and has determined that Mexican Trucking firms may operate "Nationwide", with the exception that they may not "Pick up & Deliver" between 2 American cities.

That is not word for word from the article..but it covers the Jist of the article.

[Fozzy]

Anyone who thinks that the Mexican Companies and Drivers are going to cause any MORE problems than the run of the mill American Trucker has cause is being either completely hypocritcal or they are completely clueless and blind. To say that the industry has gotten were it is now and there is nothing wrong with the industry from the ground up is laughable.

I watched the self serving Ron Carey Jr or whatever that teamster wonk's name is on one of the talking head channels this morning. Last week he was probably making the same speech to his union comrades without inserting the word "Mexican".

The Mexicans can not possible do this job any worse than a huge segment of the supertrucker population that is already here destroying the industry..

[sweepwing]

I don't think that it is a question of whether or how well they can do the job, it is the fact that this is another case of where the chair is being kicked out from under another whole industry of American workers.

The mega-carriers, hooked up with the large corporations, are the ones that can't fill trucks because they will not raise wages and working conditions to the point that Americans will take the jobs. Do you think that the good companies have any trouble filling trucks?

This is all about busting out the American worker down to Mexican levels. Just listen to Bush when he tours Detroit and talks about the need for Americans to be competative with the rest of the world and the need for a "level playing field". He's telling the truth in that he thinks that it is necessary for an American worker to work for the same wages as a Mexican, Indian, or Chinese.

And for Rat spouting his neo-socialist garbage about the global economy, he is correct that there is a failure of capitalism. Our capitalism is failing when we sell out the middle class in our nation in favor of wealth concentration to the global elite who are intentionally breaking down our national identity and sovereignty. The Rat is part of the Hate America First crowd and is commited to changing this country into a steamy, third world hell.

[OK]

Well said Sweepwing Well said!

I will include the same post I put in the other thread about this same issue:

My company, Celadon, is one of the worst offenders of this "Corporate Grreed" plan to replace many of their drivers with Mexicans and is chomping at the bit spending 10's of millions ln lobbyists funds to grant amnesty to the 20 million Mexicans already here illegally. They even have a fund to help train the illegals for their American CDL's once they get amnesty.

And yes, I'm leaving soon.

Check out this link from an earlier poster. Read all about in the Tombstone Tumbleweed, Page 8:


http://tombstonetumbleweed.com/PDF_Archives/TumbleSep0105.pdf

[mowman]

John Hill, head of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration was on CSPAN's Washington Journal call in show.

It was quite interesting.

He said that the national average for US trucks failing a DOT inspection and being put out of services is 23%. The rate is 21% for Mexican drivers inspected at the border or within the 35 mile limit. That's surprising.

He also said that this test program (100 companies from each country) will be safe because they're looking at the best of the best Mexican companies to participate.

Now what kind of nonsense is this? They're cherry-picking what should be a representative sampling of ALL Mexican companies to skew the results.

[OK]

John Hill, head of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration was on CSPAN's Washington Journal call in show.

It was quite interesting.

He said that the national average for US trucks failing a DOT inspection and being put out of services is 23%. The rate is 21% for Mexican drivers inspected at the border or within the 35 mile limit. That's surprising.



Well for me this is not about the safety of the Mexican trucks but about my Company (and others) seeking to replace most of their Drivers with either Mexicans with H1B visa's or to train and hire some of the 20 Million Illegals about to get Amnesty!

Celadon has made it clear during their Investor Conferences (link avail on Celadon Website) that they intend to use their Jaguar (Mexican) division to run as many loads as they can. They state to their investors that this will substancially increase profits due to the much lower wage paid to the Jaugar drivers!

The president (T. Glaser) has even even sent a private letter to the Premium Stockholders that describes the exact intentions of Celadon in relation to immirgant (Mexican) workers. They talk about the vast sums that will be garnered by the stockholers once the plan is achieved!

Sure sounds like a pack of Traitors and Profiteers to me?

Something must be done about this NAFTA agreement with Mexico....

[mowman]

Celadon has made it clear during their Investor Conferences (link avail on Celadon Website) that they intend to use their Jaguar (Mexican) division to run as many loads as they can. They state to their investors that this will substancially increase profits due to the much lower wage paid to the Jaugar drivers!

Are you prepared to walk to another company? Are the other drivers in your company as well informed as you? How do they feel about it?


Something must be done about this NAFTA agreement with Mexico....
Patty Murray (D-Washington) is holding a hearing March 8 regarding this. I think she heads the House Transportation committee.

Good grief. I'm going to align with the left.

[OK]

Are you prepared to walk to another company? Are the other drivers in your company as well informed as you? How do they feel about it?

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Oh Yea! I have already applied to Crete at a starting wage that pays about $8k more per year They ran my DAC (I know cause I sent for a copy of what they got soon after applying) then called an said I could go to their nearest terminal (about 35 miles away) get a truck, a load and head to their HDQ in Nebraska for orientation!

Yea, I'v spoken to a few other drivers about their plans and they didn't seemed concerned at all? They are all too worried about themselves and their next paycheck. Pitiful, yes?

This is the kind of apathy that will sink this industry!

[mowman]

Oh Yea! I have already applied to Crete at a starting wage that pays about $8k more per year

You deserve a lot of credit for taking action. You're right. Not many will. I don't know what the answers are, but I'm doing all I can to spread the word about what's happening.

I think that's a first step. I talk it up on the CB. It's amazing how few drivers out there know what's going on.

Education is a good first step.

[OK]

Oh Yea! I have already applied to Crete at a starting wage that pays about $8k more per year

You deserve a lot of credit for taking action. You're right. Not many will. I don't know what the answers are, but I'm doing all I can to spread the word about what's happening.



Appreciate that. We must all spread the message and I commend you for being someone who at least is nvolved and not just worried about his next paycheck. Of course that's why were all members here.... because we all want to be involved... yes?

What do you think would happen if some drivers started putting envelopes under the windshield wipers of every Celadon truck they see at truck stops and inside that envelope was a couple of pages stating THE FACTS about the Company and their plans?

[merrick4]

Celadon has made it clear during their Investor Conferences (link avail on Celadon Website) that they intend to use their Jaguar (Mexican) division to run as many loads as they can. They state to their investors that this will substancially increase profits due to the much lower wage paid to the Jaugar drivers!

Are you prepared to walk to another company? Are the other drivers in your company as well informed as you? How do they feel about it?


Something must be done about this NAFTA agreement with Mexico....
Patty Murray (D-Washington) is holding a hearing March 8 regarding this. I think she heads the House Transportation committee.

Good grief. I'm going to align with the left.

Don't worry Mowman, I said the same thing yesterday, but only aligning myself with the right, as I had to agree with Rush Limbaugh on this. Really BOTH parties are against this. This is an American issue not right or left.

[Mr. Ford95]

Can any of you actually show where the trucking industry falls under NAFTA?? The Mexican O/O's do not want this deal to go thru because it allows the US drivers the same rights to go into Mexico.

[Twilight Flyer]

Can any of you actually show where the trucking industry falls under NAFTA?? The Mexican O/O's do not want this deal to go thru because it allows the US drivers the same rights to go into Mexico.

The argument being that most American drivers will probably NOT want to head south across the border.

Again, this is a heated subject with a devastatingly large dividing line. In other words, there is no middle road here. So discuss it all you want, but keep the name-calling and anger to a minimum. Remember the saying...once you've resorted to name-calling, you've already lost the argument.

Thanks.

[greg3564]

Can any of you actually show where the trucking industry falls under NAFTA?? The Mexican O/O's do not want this deal to go thru because it allows the US drivers the same rights to go into Mexico.

I value my life too much to go over there. Crooked cops would be beside themselves with all the "tickets" they get to collect. Not to mention the rampant crime in Mexico.

[feederfred]

Anyone who thinks that the Mexican Companies and Drivers are going to cause any MORE problems than the run of the mill American Trucker has cause is being either completely hypocritcal or they are completely clueless and blind. To say that the industry has gotten were it is now and there is nothing wrong with the industry from the ground up is laughable.

I watched the self serving Ron Carey Jr or whatever that teamster wonk's name is on one of the talking head channels this morning. Last week he was probably making the same speech to his union comrades without inserting the word "Mexican".

The Mexicans can not possible do this job any worse than a huge segment of the supertrucker population that is already here destroying the industry.. Gee Fozzy aren't you the same Fozzy that shows up blathering his anti-union crap on layover.com ?? Get a clue, it's James P. Hoffa, President of the Teamsters. You know, that union you all LOVE to bash when it's NOT YOUR job on the line ?? Get a grip, we have been fighting this with our time and our money for seven years. And guess what, your buddy, George "the scab" Bush is now not happy just screwing with union gigs. Now he wants ALL of you to work for less than you are working for now. Aren't you thrilled you ran around with all those "W/04"stickers" on your car ?? Read the handwriting on the wall. Bush and his buddies, like WalMart and Mr. Moyes want YOU to compete with a guy whose average annual income is around 6-9000 a year. You can argue all the semantics you want as to who did what when. But, the bottom line is once again the American truck driver will take it in the shorts. You may think your company just loves you, but the reality is (in this day and age of 3.00 a gallon fuel) is that if "Jose" will work for 15 cpm. and you won't, guess who wins ???? I'm retiring soon. The rest of the Teamsters will still be OK because of their contracts. Who is going to negotiate for you ?? Oh that's right, I forgot, you don't NEED one of those "Commie" unions....I'll wave when I drive by the un-employment office..

[Twilight Flyer]

Just a warning to everyone. I am receiving more than a few PM's complaining about racial slurs and derogatory comments coming from several different posters.

I have sent out some warning PM's, but will do it publically, too. Reign it in! Consider the T.O.S. before posting. If all you can do is insult, malign, and just be nasty, expect to get banned. I won't sit here and babysit half a dozen different threads on the same topic. If it doesn't lighten up, I'll lock the threads and ban those that can't play nice. I don't mind a little ribbing and poking, but when you have to resort to racial slurs like "gringo" and "wetback", I simply don't want you here and I probably speak for 99% of the board.

Bottom line, you can argue your side without having to act like a brat. We're all adults...some of you need to act a bit more like it.

[feederfred]

oh and I forgot to add: Since we have a contract and in our contract only outside carriers can haul our freight when ALL UPS drivers are working full time and refuse OT. We'll be just fine. Swifts already bought companies in Mexico, Schneider has also and ask yourself: Do you really want to drive in Mexico ? I have been there many times both in a car and a commercial vehicle. First and most importantly, Mexico has whats called "Napoleonic" justice. It's quite simple. In Mexico you are considered GUILTY instead of INNOCENT in the case of any crime or infraction. Mexico's roads are totally THIRD WORLD and learn Spanish and bring money. Lots of money. Trucks are impounded for something as routine as a flat tire, bribes are the rule and violence and un-sanitary conditions are the norm. If you get in any trouble while picking up and/or delivering that cheap load of freight, just remember, you are ALONE. Your company cannot help you. You are in a foreign country and promises are meaningless. It takes hours to cross the border back into the United States and during that time you are nothing more than prey to the vultures. Have fun !

[mccfry]

This is incredible! they say we are having such a hard time checking the cargo on incoming ships so what do we do allow semi trucks from a backwards 3rd world countrie free reign over our freeways, its official our politicians dont give a #@** about the american worker.

[geomon]

Does anyone know how these Mexican trucks will get back to the border once they deliver that "origin outside the US" shipment?

Are they going to dead head back to the border?

Will they be allowed to pick up loads that are heading in the "general direction" of the border? If they are allowed return loads, then that will compete directly with US workers.

If they cross with an LTL from Mexico, will they be allowed to pick up additional LTL loads in the US?

[Fozzy]

Anyone who thinks that the Mexican Companies and Drivers are going to cause any MORE problems than the run of the mill American Trucker has cause is being either completely hypocritcal or they are completely clueless and blind. To say that the industry has gotten were it is now and there is nothing wrong with the industry from the ground up is laughable.

I watched the self serving Ron Carey Jr or whatever that teamster wonk's name is on one of the talking head channels this morning. Last week he was probably making the same speech to his union comrades without inserting the word "Mexican".

The Mexicans can not possible do this job any worse than a huge segment of the supertrucker population that is already here destroying the industry.. Gee Fozzy aren't you the same Fozzy that shows up blathering his anti-union crap on layover.com ?? Get a clue, it's James P. Hoffa, President of the Teamsters. You know, that union you all LOVE to bash when it's NOT YOUR job on the line ?? Get a grip, we have been fighting this with our time and our money for seven years. And guess what, your buddy, George "the scab" Bush is now not happy just screwing with union gigs. Now he wants ALL of you to work for less than you are working for now. Aren't you thrilled you ran around with all those "W/04"stickers" on your car ?? Read the handwriting on the wall. Bush and his buddies, like WalMart and Mr. Moyes want YOU to compete with a guy whose average annual income is around 6-9000 a year. You can argue all the semantics you want as to who did what when. But, the bottom line is once again the American truck driver will take it in the shorts. You may think your company just loves you, but the reality is (in this day and age of 3.00 a gallon fuel) is that if "Jose" will work for 15 cpm. and you won't, guess who wins ???? I'm retiring soon. The rest of the Teamsters will still be OK because of their contracts. Who is going to negotiate for you ?? Oh that's right, I forgot, you don't NEED one of those "Commie" unions....I'll wave when I drive by the un-employment office..

What makes you think that I've never worked for a union and the union was proven to be all but worthless. so you are a winner in the pyramid / "three card monte" scam that the unions seem to excel in.. whoop de doo! Sell all that pro union bilge to the CF guys and the Churchill guys and the Delta guys and the numerous other drivers who were sold out by the higher ups and the senoir drivers to save their own jobs. The unions are just as good if not better at cutting driver's throats than anyone else.

I am on the record sayng that real and fresh unions are about the only thing that would save the industry, but the fact that the American super trucker is anti-rule and anti- establishment, that's not going to happen any time soon. The unions and their tactics did this to themselves and so did the American "piecework per mile" trucker. They are being abused and they seem to like it! They are like the stereotypical abused wives who keep getting abused and keep returning time and time again because "they love him".

I don't bash unions in general, I just tell the truth about them and they of course can't handle any criticism at all without crying and threats. They are just another street gang to deal word can only operate in packs like cowards. I'm sure you'll run to one of your little union meetings and cry about this soon enough.

Why were unions against the CDL? Why were they against Drug tests? Why are unions against practically any means testing of their members? It's all a protection racket.. and rackets are what the unions have been in to for quite some time.