Fuel prices....thank a Republican.

[KRWOOD]

I would personally like to thank all of the people who voted for George Bush. Thank you for the high gas prices! Hopefully they double again before he leaves office. When gas finally reachs $8 to $10 a gal maybe then the american public will wake up and have an intervention for our addiction to foreign oil.

Theres many reasons why the price of oil is rising. There are two ways to begin to solve the problem.

1. An Apollo type project spearheaded by government leadership. It's a funny thought with this administration but might be possible in 2008.

2. Gas prices of $10 a gal within the next two years. Public leverage on private business and political leadership will spawn investment in alternatives.

Again...thank you George Bush and your oil cabinet! Were 1/3 of way to our goal! Keep up the great work in the New American Century!

[Retirednavysnipe]

KRWood I am sorry to say you are way off track on your estimates of high fuel prices.

There are many variables that cause hi oil prices but the First and Foremost is:

Supply and Demand.

If you look at who is buying the most oil you will find China is leading the charge is buying in massive bulk. That in turn raises demands and lowers Supply. China is willing to purchase at premium price and give it to their population at lower prices.

Having personal knowledge of the oil that is in the US we could pull enough oil out of the Williston Basin in North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana to keep us oil dependent for over 100 years. But with enviormental blockades put on by our own government and the taxes that are levyed it is no longer cost efficient.

We have enough oil and knowledge to keep prices low, but ask the Government to suspend all the silly EPA rules and give tax breaks for alternative fuels and our problem would be solved.

[Aligator]

Fact is, fuel was higher during the Carter years; 4.50/gal in 2006 dollars.

Your job - thank a Republican.

[yoopr]

why start another thread on Fuel when we already have one going?
You're dilusional
and has been stated China has gone from a Farming economy to an Industrialized Economy which has put a huge drain on Oil.
You list 2 ways to change things but I didn't see any ideas.

[Ardmore Farms Forever]

I would personally like to thank all of the people who voted for George Bush.

Your welcome...........I would have voted for Johnny "Four Months" Kerry (did you know, he served in Vietnam?).........but, I think more of my country and I am certainly NOT that stupid.


Hopefully they double again before he leaves office.

I hope so to............then we can have a Congressional Investigation on these so-called "Enviormentalist Groups" who have kept us from drilling and exploration here at home.


When gas finally reachs $8 to $10 a gal maybe then the american public will wake up and have an intervention for our addiction to foreign oil.

See above

Theres many reasons why the price of oil is rising.

Since you have all the answers, how about giving us a brief explanation on WHY "Oil" prices have risen so drastically in the past few years.

There are two ways to begin to solve the problem. Either on works.

1. An Apollo type project spearheaded by government leadership.

That in itself is a joke..........GOVERNMENT leadership.............what planet are you living on?

Gas prices of $10 a gal within the next two years. Public leverage on private business and political leadership will spawn investment in alternatives.

I will agree 100% with the private sector solving the problem...........with the government on the side-lines.

So, I can assume, you DIDN'T vote or campaign for George W. Bush?:lol: :lol: :lol:

KRWOOD...............just to show you I'm an "Equal Opportunity" offender............I'm a LIFE-LONG Democrat.

Not bad, coming from a guy who is promoting a "get rich quick" business opportunity on his signature line. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

THIS "NO" QUOTE FEATURE........IS STARTING TO GET ON MY NERVES........... :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

[mattocs]

Gah...I don't think it is Bush's fault for high gas prices, as I don't think he was at fault durring the hurricanes. I am sure there is SOMETHING that he could do...but if it could only lower gas prices by a few cents per gallon it may not be worth it. We need to stop relying on fossil fuel...that is the only solution.

[KRWOOD]

KRWood I am sorry to say you are way off track on your estimates of high fuel prices.

There are many variables that cause hi oil prices but the First and Foremost is:

Supply and Demand.

If you look at who is buying the most oil you will find China is leading the charge is buying in massive bulk. That in turn raises demands and lowers Supply. China is willing to purchase at premium price and give it to their population at lower prices.

Having personal knowledge of the oil that is in the US we could pull enough oil out of the Williston Basin in North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana to keep us oil dependent for over 100 years. But with enviormental blockades put on by our own government and the taxes that are levyed it is no longer cost efficient.

We have enough oil and knowledge to keep prices low, but ask the Government to suspend all the silly EPA rules and give tax breaks for alternative fuels and our problem would be solved.

I never stated what I think causes high gas prices! "Theres many reasons why the price of oil is rising."

If your right and there is enough oil in the US to supply 100 years. What would be the price of this oil? Market price? Where is the savings?

If the government suspended all regulations....why would oil companys floud the market with all of this oil only to lower the price? Sounds like bad business if I was a stock holder.

We are addicted to oil! The oil companys are the pusher and the government is a cop taking a skim for looking the other way.

The road to change is admiting we have a problem or an external event to force us to change. So I applaud the Republicans that run our government for creating an enironment for $4 gal gas. You know the Republicans that pass and keep all of these environmental laws on the books.

By the way I did not vote for these God Dam....tree hugging, earth loving hippie, Republicans! But I will next time! Hecka of a job boys!

[Ardmore Farms Forever]

By the way I did not vote for these God Dam....tree hugging, earth loving hippie, Republicans! But I will next time! Hecka of a job boys!

KRWOOD...........I have too admit......you have a way with words. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Instead of driving those EVIL "Fossil Fuel" tractor-trailers.......maybe we can all become "Rickshaw Coolies"and FINALLY get off the dependence on "Big Bad Oil".http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/adsports/250px-Rickshaw.jpg
Nevermind.......I think the "Republicans" are involved in the "Rickshaw Coolie" industry........and just waiting to exploit the "WORKING MAN" (Union word, they love using that word)...........and George W. Bush and family are in charge of the "Big Rickshaw Coolie" industry.

First, we could begin with hemp ........there are plenty of places to grow it,

Yea..........I use to grow it years ago...........those "Hippies" still talk about how good it was..........sold it for over $100.00 per oz or as we called it, a "LID"............but, never made any "Oil" out of it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Useless]

The answers are not nearly as dificult as people make them out to be.

First, we could begin with hemp oil, which was used before. It's clean, it's replenishable, there are plenty of places to grow it, there are no environmental consequences to developing it, and no, you won't get high off of the fumes!! 8)

Of course, there would be no cartel to control it, and Bush's Buddies wouldn't get rich, so thee is probebly no chance in hell of it happening!! BTW, if you think the Democrats are any more trustworthy when it comes to energy policy, (as if we even HAVE an energy policy!!), then you have probably been breathing too many diesel fumes!!

Useless

[greenhornpeon]

Maybe it's bigger than political differences-
could be geological:
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html
Scary stuff- even if only a little true

[Bisquit]

I shudder to think what this country would be like if we let the DEMS do everything they wanna do. Socialization is what they want basically. I think this next Presidential election will be a golden opportunity for some independent candidate to really get his message accross. Start with shutting down the borders, Authorize the building of new refineries, get the US out of the UN, quit *****footing around in the middle east and turn the whole sumbitch into a huge parking lot, I could go on and if anyone runs on this kind of platform he?she will definately get my vote.

I see Newt Ginrich(sp) starting to feel his way around and expect to see him on the ballot, John Mcain is also gonna be there anyone else come to mind...
I don't think Hillary can even run...

She's already served 2 terms LOL.................Don

[KRWOOD]

The problem is not the price of oil or supply and demand. I really do appreciate high gas prices. I look forward to the coming increases.


The problem is our how vulnerable we are by our economy being dependent on oil.

Occasionally there's a post about lot lizards. Many of us judge them for their lifestyle and what they do to feed their addictions. How are we any different when it comes to our addiction to oil?

Somebody has to stop the GOP with their environmental agenda before this country is owned by china.

[Useless]

Maybe it's bigger than political differences-
could be geological:
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html
Scary stuff- even if only a little true

A good point raised here. It is important to understand that there is no real "shortage" of oil. When I was a child, we were supposed to run out of oil in the mid 1970's. By 1970, it was the year 2000. Having said that, the demand for it will continue to increase as China continues to develop, and there will always be political forces, both foreign and domestic, that will affect the price.

The truth be told, fossil fuels could well be on their way to general obsolescence if we began developing alternative fuel sources.

[yoopr]

GOP and "Their" Environmental Policies? what the hell are you smoking?

[KRWOOD]

GOP and "Their" Environmental Policies? what the hell are you smoking?

The other thread "Fuel prices...thank a environmentalist" inspired me to start this one. If high fuel prices are caused by environmental policy then the republicans that control the house and senate are to blame.

Republicans=environmental policy=high fuel prices.



Sorry for the edit .....I had to clarify.

[ben45750]

KRWOOD..... are you that stupid???

Tree hugging, earth loving hippie Republicans????? Thats the other party there, the Democrats.

Thank Bill Clinton for sending all the jobs over seas, Thank bill Clinton for China owning everything not Bush.

I'm sorry but you just showed your stupidity to every educated person on this board and I thinks it "hillarious"!!!!!

[ben45750]

Fuel Prices...thank a environmentalist= thank a rebublican.

:withstupid:

[yoopr]

Kinda dumfounded myself :P

[One]

First of all, blaming it on one group alone is not right and most certainly not the most correct. BUT I have to agree with the thread title just because it contradicts another thread that equally blames just one group!

There are a lot of factors involved and the White house's poilcy is to let market forces dictate the push for alternate fuels. The white house thinks that we are stupid enough not to realize that they (all oil- men) had no idea it would come to this and that they do not profit. :lol:
A lot of things could have been done, and most lof them should have been done YEARS ago.
Public transportation including high speed trains are not an option for commuters...e.g a 'bullet' train going from houston to austin and San Antone, Tx ( i believe) were discussed some years ago and struck down due to resistance from the oil and airline industry. travel times would have been greatly reduced between the cities...
Alternate fuels- the technology is available, and has been for years! Why is it not used widely in this country??? LOTS of reasons, mostly related to cost- gas was still the cheaper option.
Demand- E.G CHINA- Traditional mode of transportation: Buses, trains, bikes and feet! Then someone realized: Doode, what a market for cars! and there we go. IRRESPONSIBLE GREED of big corportations and lack of oversight and planning by Govts. is THE big reason why we now pay what we pay :!:

Theres no magic bullet, no drilling in places we had sought to spare will solve the problem, just defer it!!! the habits of consumers must be changed, with the help of the Govt. :!: :!:

[Useless]

GOP and "Their" Environmental Policies? what the hell are you smoking?


Exactly! Environmental policy=government=rebuplicans! Thank a Republican for their environmental policy that causd these high fuel prices.


Fuel Prices...thank a environmentalist= thank a rebublican.

When gasoline shot up from about $.80 cents per gallon to about $1.25 per gallon in the late 90's no one "Thanked Bill Clinton"!! Go back to the late 70's when Jimmy Carter was in office, and we had the long gas lines!!
Was that also the Republican's fault!! Don't get me wrong, I don't like Bush or the Republicans anymore than you do, but taking political pot shots isn't going to solve anything, and thinking that the Democrats are any more trustworthy is to live in a Fool's Paradise!!

[Adam9315]

You all need to learn how to quote properly. It is annoying.

[Useless]

You all need to learn how to quote properly. It is annoying.

On that last one, Adam, I really wasn't too concerned with who was quoting whom!! The argument itself is so fallacious that it should implode due to it's inadequacy!! Pointing fingers isn't going to solve anything... there is more than enough dirt on the hands of leaders from both political parties!!

[KRWOOD]

I edited my post. I had to more better clarify.

By the way...I don't like the Democrats. I don't think they would be as effecient of raising fuel prices as the Republicans have.

I don't get it. The same people who blame environmental policy for high fuel prices support the republicans. The republicans are in power and control the environmental policy that is supposable causing high fuel prices.

[GMAN]

KRWOOD, from what I have seen, to put government and leadership in the same sentence is a contradiction in terms. :P

We do not have an oil shortage. A couple of year ago I heard an interview with the CEO of BP (I believe) and he stated that the largest oil reserves on earth were thought to be off the Gulf of Mexico. It isn't a problem of shortage. It is a matter of governmental interference. Environmental regulations and requirements have virtually crippled a number of industries. There comes a time when the cost of doing business in the U.S. is simply not worth it. It becomes less costly and much less of a hassle to import oil than drill more wells. Of course, companies are drilling new wells as quickly as they can in parts of Oklahoma and Texas. Government just needs to get out of the way.

There has never been innovation in our government. Innovation comes from industry. Government doesn't produce anything but more regulations. One man cannot control every event that happens in the world. George Bush has done some things in which I disagree, but he is not responsible for the global rise in fuel prices. And since he is also not omnipotent, he didn't cause Katrina, either. :P You have a number of elected officials in both parties who don't want to deal with reality and put a comprehensive energy policy into effect. There is a lot of rhetoric by those in government, but I have yet to see any leadership. A leader doesn't need to take a poll to see what he should do. He already knows and leads by example. He knows what is right and follows through on what he knows he should do regardless of polls or critics. 8)

I think that there is collusion and price fixing going on. The primary reason for the existance for OPEC is to manipulate world oil prices.

[KRWOOD]

It isn't a problem of shortage. It is a matter of governmental interference. Environmental regulations and requirements have virtually crippled a number of industries. There comes a time when the cost of doing business in the U.S. is simply not worth it. It becomes less costly and much less of a hassle to import oil than drill more wells.

Environmental regulations=republicans. The republicans have majority in government.

Duh! Thats why I thanked them!

[One]

A report in the news said oil companies were asking gas stations to sell as cheap as they could to keep the volume up :!: :!: :!:

[Useless]

We do not have an oil shortage. A couple of year ago I heard an interview with the CEO of BP (I believe) and he stated that the largest oil reserves on earth were thought to be off the Gulf of Mexico.

There really is no "Thought to be" about it!! Satellite imagery and technology indicates that It IS the largest known reserve. The problem is the depth that we will have to drill to get to it; it isn't that we lack the technology, it is a matter of economic viability due to the depth that it would have to be drilled, and our lack of refinery capacity. Crude oil supply is only half the equation, Refining it is quite another.

It isn't a problem of shortage.

I think that there is collusion and price fixing going on. The primary reason for the existence for OPEC is to manipulate world oil prices.

Agree 100% here!!

[ben45750]

I think that there is collusion and price fixing going on. The primary reason for the existance for OPEC is to manipulate world oil prices.

100% accurate, hit it right on the nose!!!!!

[ben45750]

Environmental regulations=republicans. The republicans have majority in government.

Duh! Thats why I thanked them!

Name some republican besides Jeb Bush that is opposed to drilling new wells in the United States?

(Jeb Bush is opposed to drilling new well off the Flordia gulf becasue he thinks it will hurt the tourism in Flordia, has nothing to do with enviromental concerns)

[GMAN]

It isn't a problem of shortage. It is a matter of governmental interference. Environmental regulations and requirements have virtually crippled a number of industries. There comes a time when the cost of doing business in the U.S. is simply not worth it. It becomes less costly and much less of a hassle to import oil than drill more wells.

Environmental regulations=republicans. The republicans have majority in government.

Duh! Thats why I thanked them!


You seem confused, KRWOOD. Most of the environmental regulations we have in place today have been with us for decades. These started under Democratic rule with a Democratic majority. They have used environmental policy to have their way for many years. However, I will agree with you to some extent. There are some so called Republicans who are more liberal than the most liberal Democrats. The Republicans didn't put most of the environmental regulations on the books, but the fact that they have done little, if anything to ease or eliminate some of the inane regulations does make them culpable. Having a majority has done conservatives little good. To be effective, you have to use power. They haven't done a very effective job of using power since they have been in office. Of course, the Democrats only want to rant, rave and blame. They seem to be the party of nothingness. They stand for nothing while opposing everything. :shock:

[One]

How about instaead of ranting, blaming and raving, how about putting our heads together and having a smrt discussion on how to break our dependence on oil? No?....figures

[yoopr]

They seem to be the party of nothingness. They stand for nothing while opposing everything.

Bravo GMAN(That is until I go down to the Next thread on Fuel Costs) :P

[One]

How about insteaad of ranting, blaming and raving, how about putting our heads together and having a smart discussion on how to break our dependence on oil? No?....figures

[Useless]

How about instaead of ranting, blaming and raving, how about putting our heads together and having a smrt discussion on how to break our dependence on oil? No?....figures

I already suggested developing alternative fuel sources; that seemed to go over like a smelly fart in a crowded church !! :P

[One]

YUP, its the american way, blame everyone else for your problems, throw some bombs at 'em and never do anything to actually help your situation in the long run...A lot of bitching and moaning and not doing anything about it... Blame yourself for your own screwups!

[GMAN]

How about instead of ranting, blaming and raving, how about putting our heads together and having a smart discussion on how to break our dependence on oil? No?....figures


Well, lets discuss things that could be done. If I previously mentioned this just consider this a senior moment but may move things in a more positive direction.

A few months ago I stopped at a Love's in Midlothian, TX. I have been wanting to talk to some drivers who have been running bio-diesel. I got to talking to this driver who told me that his company has a small fleet and are refining their own fuel. According to him, it wasn't that difficult or expensive to do. A couple of years ago I read about a guy in Atlanta who had some trucks. No, they weren't class 8 but were 1/2 ton trucks with utility beds. I don't recall the business he was in or number of trucks. He is apparently refining his own fuel for his trucks in his kitchen.

Now, if these people can do this in a cost effective manner, why can't others. Imagine if some of the major trucking companies would start refining their own fuel. They might save millions. :shock: If they could just cut their fuel costs by $1/gallon they would greatly improve their bottom line and help the environment at the same time. If fuel could be refined more locally, it would not be necessary to have a huge distribution network or pipeline established. Distribution costs would be virtually eliminated. :wink: If these refineries could use corn and other renewable sources we would no longer need to worry about foreign oil supplies. If we could use some of the things we normally throw into landfills, that would solve another problem.

I read the other day that there were approximately 5MM trucks across the nation. If we could only supply 10% of these with an alternate fuel source that would save approximately 5MM gallons of fuel a day. (5MM x 10% = 500M trucks.) 500,000 trucks x 100 gallons per day = 50,000,000 gallons of fuel. At $3/gallon that is $150MM (That's million) If you could save $1/gallon on 50MM gallons of diesel you would save $50 million per day.

I could like that.......A LOT!!! :D

[rjt030]

Land+Seed+Good Growing Conditions+Fertilizer+herbicide+pesticide= Corn


large amount of energy must be spent in the process of getting seeds turned into more seeds. Then more energy must be spent getting these seeds to a facility that can turn them into biodiesel

I would like to know if biodiesel is really as efficient as diesel

[One]

Biodiesel has been used in Europe successfully for a lot of years. The research has been done long ago. Biodiesel can be made out of all kinds of stuff...Think of it like 'Back to the future III' where they throw a beercan and banana-peel into a 'Mr.Fusion' :lol:
At a trucking show, I saw a Biodiesel refinery!! A functional refinery that fits into my little office- maybe 12 ft. tall and 6 ft. wide.

Why the US is the only Industrialized nation that resists alternate fuels is suspect...But things can be done. It wont be cheap, but if we spent what we spend to kidnapp suspected terrorists in Europe, we could surely build a small Bio-refinery.

[GMAN]

Land+Seed+Good Growing Conditions+Fertilizer+herbicide+pesticide= Corn


large amount of energy must be spent in the process of getting seeds turned into more seeds. Then more energy must be spent getting these seeds to a facility that can turn them into biodiesel

I would like to know if biodiesel is really as efficient as diesel


From what I understand in reading and talking to some who have used biodiesel is that it burns much more efficiently and cleaner than regular diesel. I have been cautioned a couple of times to keep a couple of extra fuel filters, because biodiesel will clean everything out of your tanks and fuel lines. I have also be told that fuel mileage is somewhat better running biodiesel. I would like to try it myself. I prefer first hand knowledge concerning this type of thing. Even if mileage is the same as we now get, it would be better to use because of the reduction in use of standard fossil fuels. The only negative I have read or heard is the fuel filter thing. :D

[ben45750]

I had read an article about that, the amount of energy it takes to make bio-diesel. To grow and plant the seeds, harvest the product, create more seeds, then refine the product to make bio-diesel.

The article said it takes more energy to make bio-diesel than what energy can be created from the bio-diesel its self. If that is the case and demand is high on bio-diesel would'nt we see the prices just as high as standard diesel? And then what affect will that have on the price of gasoline?

[Useless]

Land+Seed+Good Growing Conditions+Fertilizer+herbicide+pesticide= Corn


large amount of energy must be spent in the process of getting seeds turned into more seeds. Then more energy must be spent getting these seeds to a facility that can turn them into biodiesel

And I suppose that no energy, or very little energy is required to drill for oil, transport it to a refinery, and then refine it??

I would like to know if biodiesel is really as efficient as diesel

[rjt030]

I agree that it does take alot of energy to produce, transport and refine oil. Anything we do takes energy.

I just wanted to see if anyone could tell me yes or no whether biodiesel was more efficient than diesel

[One]

Search the internet for biodiesel! I found lots of sites just in the US that list Pros and Cons and even supply manuals on how to make it at home!!!
Biodiesel can be make from a variety of stuff that may otherwise go to a landfill...
The question is: If we need lots of acrage of farmland to grow plants that yield a good amount of vegetable oil, will that be a good thing or not? I know I would rather be a farmer than a truck driver and im sure a lot of other people including farmers that have given up their farms will be very happy to start growing such a crop!!! it will give us jobs that wont go overseas, reduce the trade deficit by reducing the amount of oil imported from overseas and remove some of the funding to shady countries! it will lower the demand for oil, lowering the price!!
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html
http://www.biodieselnow.com/
If you take the 5 mins to look at just those 2 sites, you will realize how many problems this will solve!!!!

[MrVain]

I would personally like to thank all of the people who voted for George Bush. Thank you for the high gas prices! Hopefully they double again before he leaves office. When gas finally reachs $8 to $10 a gal maybe then the american public will wake up and have an intervention for our addiction to foreign oil.

Theres many reasons why the price of oil is rising. There are two ways to begin to solve the problem.

1. An Apollo type project spearheaded by government leadership. It's a funny thought with this administration but might be possible in 2008.

2. Gas prices of $10 a gal within the next two years. Public leverage on private business and political leadership will spawn investment in alternatives.

Again...thank you George Bush and your oil cabinet! Were 1/3 of way to our goal! Keep up the great work in the New American Century!

You are a blithering idiot!

[Useless]

I agree that it does take alot of energy to produce, transport and refine oil. Anything we do takes energy.

I just wanted to see if anyone could tell me yes or no whether biodiesel was more efficient than diesel

Efficiency is an issue, but only to a certain extent. If alternative fuels are cleaner to produce and they burn cleaner, and there is a relatively stable and plentiful supply of corn or hemp needed to produce them, and if the supply is not controlled by Cartels that are hostile to American interests, then efficiency becomes a secondary issue.

Bear in mind that oil is now above $70.00 per barrel and the price per barrel will most likely continue to rise; we have an upcoming hurricane season that meteorologists and scientists are predicting could rival last year's season in terms of numbers and severity. The troubles in the Middle East are continuing to compound and intensify, and our economy hinges upon the circumstances and events that prevail in a part of the world that has never known a days worth of peace.

Irrespective of your political views, be you conservative, moderate, or liberal, or a card carrying member of the Republican, Libertarian, Democratic, or Green Party, or a member of the Reformed Left Handed Dyslexic Druid Movementarian Party(BTW, that is MY Party of Choice!! 8) ), the problems and events that unfold over in The Middle East have a tremendous impact upon the stability of our economy. The ability of ANY U.S. President, Republican or Democrat, to control our economy is in reality, rather limited. That is not to suggest that a President's economic policy can not have an effect upon our economy as a whole; clearly, it can, but the external events that affect our economic stability are frequently out of the hands of any President..

But NO President of ANY political party can keep the problems in the Middle East from escalating, nor can any President keep a hurricane from striking, nor can any President keep China's demands for fossil fuels from growing exponentially.

As difficult as it may be for many people to understand, the price of energy is not nearly as big of a problem for our economy as is the lack of stability in pricing. In economic terms, whatever the price of oil reaches, our economy has the ability to adjust to it as long as prices remain stable. If this premise was not valid, then the housing market would have collapsed a decade ago!! It is the unstable nature of the politics and economics of fossil fuel availability, sources, and prices that are hurting us more than anything else, and America is woefully behind the curve when it comes to developing alternative fuel sources.

This is where battles are needlessly being waged in the political realm. The objectives of economic concerns, stability of supplies, the breaking up of the control that The Oil Cartels have over oil prices, the effects of the political instability of The Middle East, China's ever increasing energy demands, and protection of our environment, as well as water quality and air quality issues can all be successfully addressed through the development of alternative fuels and energy sources. The objectives of both political parties (excluding selfish economic interests) can be met without being at odds or in conflict with one another. In the end, The American People would be the ultimate winners!!

Just My Thoughts,
Useless

[whodat54321]

a note about china's increasing demands.
how?

because WE sent our jobs there in exchange for their cheap labor, like the
rest of the world. turns out 'just ship it somewhere else' isn't going to be
a long term cost-effective solution for the price of living. oil gets too high
in price, the profit margins are lost in the cost of transporting goods.

i mentioned some time ago that some forward thinking companies (small
and medium sized manufacturers) are already thinking that outsourcing
has peaked and higher costs of labor here will be less of an impact than the
cost of shipping within the next decade.

[Useless]

With or without us, China's economic development will continue, as will their energy requirements.

While I have been a very vocal opponent of shipping American Jobs overseas, that in itself would not significantly alter the world-wide demand for oil. If those manufacturing jobs were still in the U.S., (where I believe they SHOULD be!!) the increased demand for fossil fuels would still be a problem, but our demand here in the U.S. would increase even more than it is increasing now.

In any event, the lack of a cohesive energy policy (or, in practical terms, ANY meaningful energy policy!!) and our lack of fortitude and vision in developing alternative fuel sources is what is hurting us more than anything else.

With alternative fuel and energy sources, the American People would be the winners, which is a good part of the reason that the political leaders on BOTH sides of the aisle, and the corporate fat cats are going to do everything in their power to keep them from being developed.

[druid2874]

Well where to start??Lets see 1st the oil problem is sort of like a very over weight person. You did not get that way over night. Thus this problem will not get fixed over night. The 1st big speech about oil and that we need to get away from it was in Nixon?s term in1974 He said "Let this be our national goal: At the end of this decade, in the year 1980, the United States will not be dependent on any other country for the energy we need to provide our jobs, to heat our homes, and to keep our transportation moving." And he also said "I am inaugurating a program to marshal both government and private research with the goal of producing an unconventionally powered virtually pollution free automobile within five years."

Then came the only president that was not elected Ford which set back the above statements 5 years to 1985.

Then Mr. Jimmy Carter THE WORST PRESIDENT WE HAD. On April 18 1977 he said these words that achieving energy independence was the ?Moral equivalent of war? And then he started United States Department of Energy He also said in 1978 "Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977?never," lol lol sorry

Reagan will put him last

Next President George H.W Naturally one of his strategy's guiding principles was "reducing our dependence on foreign oil." Which never happened

Then President Bill Clinton
In 1992, President Bill Clinton proposed a BTU tax on fossil fuels to raise money to reduce the deficit. Clinton's tax proposal would have put a levy on natural gas, coal, and nuclear power of 25.7 cents per million British thermal units. Crude oil would have been taxed at 59.9 cents per million BTU to discourage dependence on foreign oil. The crude oil BTU tax would have raised the price of a barrel of oil by about $3.50, and would have cost the average family between $200 to $400 annually. In 1996, Clinton proposed a comprehensive energy plan that was completely ignored by the Republican-controlled Congress

Reagan was the smart one but still did not help the USA out that much but he did something In December 1985, Reagan signed legislation dismantling the U.S. Synthetic Fuels Corp. What happened when all these government attempts to manage our energy supply were cruelly killed? Oil prices dropped from their peak of $37 per barrel in 1981 to less than $14 per barrel in 1986.

So folks the less government puts its fingers in stuff the better it is for us.

[druid2874]

Also whodat

We do export a lot of jobs out. But we do have a lot of foreign companies come here I.E Toyota, Nissan, Bmw and the like plus many others. And the ones that get imported to here are Higher paying jobs, then the ones that are typically exported. But it seems the latter is never talked about hmmm wonder why.

[One]

Nissan, BMW, Toyota...lets add monorail and most other new tech. to that list...why? Because we are way behind the ball at a lot of high tech stuff... maybe weapon tech :lol: but i dont know anything about that...the reason why those companies are here is because they make a better product!

[GMAN]

You all make some good points. Until there is a viable alternative to fossil fuels, we are going to be at the mercy of who ever controls the flow of oil. As we have seen in the freight business, competition keeps prices lower. Competition also makes companies operate at a more efficient level. They have to be efficient in order to be competitive. 8)

[Useless]

I had read an article about that, the amount of energy it takes to make bio-diesel. To grow and plant the seeds, harvest the product, create more seeds, then refine the product to make bio-diesel.

The article said it takes more energy to make bio-diesel than what energy can be created from the bio-diesel its self. If that is the case and demand is high on bio-diesel would'nt we see the prices just as high as standard diesel? And then what affect will that have on the price of gasoline?

Okay, the article "says"???

Here is the problem with that. Who, or what is the source of that information?? Unfortunately, many of the people who write supposedly "scientific" articles are less concerned about proper dissemination of information, and more concerned with promoting an economic or political agenda. Also remember that those figures are compiled based upon the energy production infrastructure as it is now, not as it could be. Consequently, I consider whatever numbers are being tossed about as being rather suspect.

Now, if gasoline was still $1.25 per gallon, then economic viability could be an issue in the short term, but we are now at a point where $100.00 per barrel oil is not at all an unrealistic possibility.

To answer the second part of your question:

Common logic would seem to indicate that the dramatic increases in fuel prices would have a crippling effect upon our economy. So far, our economy has absorbed and digested them, and is continuing to grow, although I do not personally believe that it is growing as well as many of the so-called "experts" would have you believe. There are still some very serious issues to be addressed, and there are some MAJOR problems facing us in the short term.

What you have to remember is that when indexed for inflation, fuel costs have not risen any faster than the cost of housing over the past thirty to fourty years; what HAS happened is that these fuel price increases have been rather drastic, and the price fluctuations have occurred in relatively
short period of time; thus, the impact has been more painful.

Even if hempoline or biodiesel wound up costing as much as fossil fuel based gas or diesel, there would still be much more satbility in terms of supply, the Oil Cartels (and terrorist groups) would have a large source of their revenue decreased, environmental concerns, including water and air quality would be addressed, and the price fluctuations over time would be dramatically reduced.

[Ardmore Farms Forever]

but if we spent what we spend to kidnapp suspected terrorists in Europe, we could surely build a small Bio-refinery.

I'm not quite familiar with the terrorist we have kidnapped............please enlighten us a little bit.

[One]

sure, my friend, here are some articles i found just by searching the internet... im not terribly happy with these, but from the amount of reports we can be pretty certain that such things go on....http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4641810.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4641810.stm
http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=12017793
audio:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4563352

[Toothpick]

sure, my friend, here are some articles i found just by searching the internet... im not terribly happy with these, but from the amount of reports we can be pretty certain that such things go on....http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4641810.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4641810.stm
http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=12017793
audio:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4563352

Why am I not surprised, every one of your links are to sites that specialize in anti-Americanism and demonizing America, and Israel I might add, every opportunity they get. Moreover, the reports noted that they were preliminary. In other words, it was pure leftist propaganda meant only to supplant the allegations in your mind. A very effective leftist propaganda technique used to expolit the ignorance's and emotions of the masses. In leftist propaganda, the allegations are far more important than the truth. Therefore, the strategy is to bombard your opponent with spurious allegations. Send over a constant barrage, as we have seen both with respect to the war in Iraq and the President.

The NY Times, a very leftist and propagandistic anti-American newpaper in their own right, had to suck it up recently and run a story reporting that all those investigations in Europe conducted by the different EU commissions with respect to allegations of tortue by the American government at hidden locations all came up empty as I expected. Never mind the fact that just detaining terrorists is many times considered tortue in their delusional eyes. However, the problem with all you delusional leftists is the allegations become more important than the truth, and you would rather believe a leftist politically motivated CIA mole and traitor than you would your own government who is only trying to do its level best to protect you and ensure your safety.

My advice, lay off the sites that specialize in demonizing America and otherwise corrupting your mind and learn to think with your mind instead of your emotions. It will only help you to view the world much more sanely and productively in the long run and to learn that America isn't always the monster it's made out to be.

[One]

Toothpick, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about! BBC, Reuters and Npr are some of the most respected and objective news-agencies on the face of this planet! Leftist propaganda?? Anti-american? WTF r u talking about? read the article! what does the iraq war have to do with anything? and Bush? they are not the subject of those articles! :lol:

[One]

Surely the Washington Post is a 'leftist propaganda' page too in your eyes :lol:
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9593

[yoopr]

NPR?
Yeah right :roll:

[Useless]

NPR?
Yeah right :roll:

On this count, I must agree with Yoopr!!
I'm way too Liberal to be called a Conservative, and way too Conservative to be called a Liberal. Having said that I listen to both conservative talk radio stations, and liberal venues as well.

I listen to NPR.

Do they often present perspectives and ideas that are outside the mainstream??
Yes!!

Can you learn something by listening to NPR??
Yes!!

Does NPR have a balanced or objective format for reporting news??
NOT EVEN!!

I think that listening to both sides of an issue, and hearing argument from both sides of the political spectrum is wise and prudent. I also think that pretending that objectivity exists where it clearly does not is unwise and foolish!!

Just Another "Useless" Observation!!

[GMAN]

I have yet to talk to a journalist who thinks of himself as being biased when reporting a story. I have also yet to see one who isn't biased in their reporting. I am sure that some try to remain unbiased, but we all have our own view point and it is impossible to remain totally unbiased when relating a story. It is just human nature.

I like to hear both sides of an issue. Some are really out there, but it is certainly more interesting to hear views other than your own. I am conservative, but still enjoy listening to NPR and the BBC. If everyone agreed all the time, life would really be boring. :P

[Useless]

I like to hear both sides of an issue. Some are really out there, but it is certainly more interesting to hear views other than your own. I am conservative, but still enjoy listening to NPR and the BBC. If everyone agreed all the time, life would really be boring. :P

:idea:
I think that many people refuse to listen to or consider opposing points of view because they are desperately afraid of LEARNING something!!

[yoopr]

Reason for Fox success is that pretty much on all Issues they have someone speaking for the Con and one speaking for the Opposite side.

[yoopr]

Reason for Fox success is that pretty much on all Issues they have someone speaking for the Con and one speaking for the Opposite side.
I HATE NPR-Why the Taxpayer has to fund it is beyond me.

[Useless]

I HATE NPR-Why the Taxpayer has to fund it is beyond me.
:?:
Why should the Taxpayers fund NPR????

Because, NPR has the courage to take on some extremely important issues that our mainstream media lacks the courage to tackle.

Neither CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, or CNN have the fortitude to investigate such pressing issues as:

"Catholic Nuns Who Double Park The Convent Station Wagon By Fire Hydrants On Holy Days of Obligation, and The Bishops Who Hate Them!!"

If NPR did not report on this, who would??

[Fozzy]

I like NPR. Their News is pretty irritating, but their music sure beats the heck out of most of the other stuff out there. Of course I don't listen much anymore.... XM Radio has allowed me to listen to exactly what I want, When I want.

[One]

I have posted 4 links that relate to the issue, Im sure I can find 10 more, im equally sure someone will dismiss those as BIASED too, Including Bush's Signing statements with are PUBLIC RECORDS!!!! Those are probably leftist, biased too, LOL
Why dont you search the internet for related stories and look for yourself Then you'll dismiss GOOGLE as a biased search engine? :lol:

[Useless]

Sorry to interupt here, but we are getting way off course here.

This thread is SUPPOSED to be about blaming Republicans for the high fuel prices.

Now, could we please get back on topic?? :P

[Toothpick]

I heard on the radio today that per a survey conducted by the BBC that Fox News was easily the most trusted news source in America winning hands down against all its competition. I must say that I'm not surprised.

[Toothpick]

...the reason why those companies are here is because they make a better product!

The actual reason is because American manufacturers were saddled with the overhead of excessive unionism that prevented them from being able to compete in the market place. Sure, the competition makes a better product, but had American manufacturers not been strapped down by excessive unionism, they would make a better product too.

[Toothpick]

Surely the Washington Post is a 'leftist propaganda' page too in your eyes :lol:
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9593

Wow?truthout.org no less. I'm impressed! Only a genius would believe anything contained on that site.

See what I mean, the allegations are far more important than the truth to people like him who are exceedingly susceptible to suggestion.

One, anyone ever suggest to you that your ignorance?s and emotions are being exploited to the hilt, only you?re too gullible to know it, and it has become very apparent to us that you are exceedingly addicted to propaganda.

I have a sneaking feeling that you're not a real trucker at all, that you are instead an adolescent wanna be.

[Toothpick]

I have posted 4 links that relate to the issue, Im sure I can find 10 more, im equally sure someone will dismiss those as BIASED too, Including Bush's Signing statements with are PUBLIC RECORDS!!!! Those are probably leftist, biased too, LOL
Why dont you search the internet for related stories and look for yourself Then you'll dismiss GOOGLE as a biased search engine? :lol:

Anyone know what he's whining about?

[Useless]

A valid point made here, but we are SUPPOSED to be blaming Republicans for high fuel prices here!!

Please, let's get back on topic here!!!

If you want to have a debate about the news media, FINE!! But Start a new THREAD!!

[Toothpick]

A valid point made here, but we are SUPPOSED to be blaming Republicans for high fuel prices here!!

Please, let's get back on topic here!!!

If you want to have a debate about the news media, FINE!! But Start a new THREAD!!

Okay, back on topic. I chide the Republicans for not being able to keep their RINOs (fake Republicans) in line and voting for energy reforms that would make us less dependent on foreign oil.

[Ardmore Farms Forever]

BBC, Reuters and Npr are some of the most respected and objective news-agencies on the face of this planet!

http://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gifhttp://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gif Now that is funny, I don't care who you are.http://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gifhttp://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gif

One......even though I occationally agree with your opinion, I must ask.........WHAT F-ing PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON, to make an idiotic statement like that? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If the BBC, Reuters and NPR aren't bias.......then I'm a "Puerto Rican" Astronaut. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, those damn Republicans made me do that.........they are sooooooo sneaky.

[Useless]

Well, my efforts to redirect this thread back to the original thesis have Failed!!!

So, the new focus of this thread should be:
Media News Bias??? Thank A Republican.

[One]

LoL, Guys...What source do you guys consider to be non Biased then?Nvm wich one is the most objective? Nationally and internationally? We might aswell exclude Fox..just because a lot of people watch it here, doesnt mean that Fox is objective! I just listed articles that I found on google...I guess google is too biased, maybe I should look at The Christian Science Monitor :lol: As I said before, why dont you guys do your own research on the issues instead of blindly dismissing anything you dont wanna believe as 'biased'?

[Useless]

LoL, Guys...What source do you guys consider to be non Biased then?

Pat Robertson's "700 Club", and Landover Baptist Church in Freehold, Iowa!!
<" http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ " > 8) :P

[One]

Thats great, Useless, just im not use if the top-news topic 'does jesus watch me go poopy?' is really news atall... :lol: :wink:

[Toothpick]

LoL, Guys...What source do you guys consider to be non Biased then?Nvm wich one is the most objective? Nationally and internationally? We might aswell exclude Fox..just because a lot of people watch it here, doesnt mean that Fox is objective! I just listed articles that I found on google...I guess google is too biased, maybe I should look at The Christian Science Monitor :lol: As I said before, why dont you guys do your own research on the issues instead of blindly dismissing anything you dont wanna believe as 'biased'?

Here?s a little food for thought for you ?One?. Having already turned the British?s brains into PC mush, the BBC and the Guardian news organizations are hoping to do the same over here to Americans. However, in your case, One, I believe it?s too late, you?re brain has already succumbed to mush.

The Other British Invasion (http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22458)

[One]

Toothpick, you make it a habit to be offensive, well it doesnt make you look very smart... Go read a book!

[MADGOPHER]

A........ the Republicans or the ones donating to there campaigns are the ones who price gouge and profiteer

[Fozzy]

Why blame the politicians? Why blame the Liberals? Blame the other dumb Americans who are driving cars and vehicles that are too big and heavy at rediculous speeds and not chainging their buying habits AT ALL. When the demand drops, the prices will too. As long as the moron races go on and they keep filling up these big cars and trucks without slowing down or limiting their use of the vehilces, it just proves that gas and fuel is too cheap and they may need to raise the prices even higher. I'd like to see $5 a gallon, maybe then the people will "get it". If you don't like how much the fuel is.. change your habits and quit buying that crap as often! If you want to make money in this situation, buy an oil company.

[Toothpick]

Why blame the politicians? Why blame the Liberals? Blame the other dumb Americans who are driving cars and vehicles that are too big and heavy at rediculous speeds and not chainging their buying habits AT ALL. When the demand drops, the prices will too. As long as the moron races go on and they keep filling up these big cars and trucks without slowing down or limiting their use of the vehilces, it just proves that gas and fuel is too cheap and they may need to raise the prices even higher. I'd like to see $5 a gallon, maybe then the people will "get it". If you don't like how much the fuel is.. change your habits and quit buying that crap as often! If you want to make money in this situation, buy an oil company.

Why blame the politicians? Because they have shut and locked the door and prevented us for too long from drilling for oil in the contiguous 48 states, because they have stopped us from drilling for oil on the outer continental shelf, and because they have prevented us from drilling for oil in ANWR. All of which would not only make us much less dependent on foreign oil and thus our national security much more secure than it is today, but with the added supplies combined from all these sources together when added to the pool of already existing available oil would make the price substantially lower than what it is today also. While at the same time also depriving the likes of the Islamofascist Jihadists and the Leftist Hugo Chavez?s of the world hard currency in which to wreck havoc and spread their misery.

Never mind the thousands of high paying lucrative jobs that would also be created domestically by the expansion of the oil industry and that would further be a boost to the economy, and never mind the fact that the Left's environmental extremism also prevents us from building any new oil refineries or even building environmentally clean nuclear plants.

And what?s behind it all? Why a lot of it has to do with the junk science that led to the global warming scare and now being widely debunked by new revelations almost on a daily basis, but a lot of it also has to do with a collective guilt complex suffered by the Left because America has been so enormously economically successful relative to the rest of the world, and also a lot of it has to do with the Left?s insane and inane hatred of all things having to do with corporations, capitalism, and especially, God forbid, profits.

Moreover, I?m one of those heavy footed dumb ass Americans driving one of those way too big and way too heavy gas guzzling vehicles that consumes entirely way too much fuel, and I?m not about to change my lifestyle or any of my wasteful habits because some dumb assed liberals believe in junk science and all suffer from some sort of insane collective guilt complex. Furthermore, if you hate capitalism and corporations so much, get over it, move to Sweden or something because that?s your problem and you have no right to foolishly attempt to force the rest of us sane Americans to conform to your idiotic idiosyncrasies. Anybody who professes that they would like to see $5 a gallon gasoline in order to force us to conform to their idiotic ideas of a socialist utopia, ought to have their head examined to see if their pea-sized brain is still intact and not atrophying.

[Toothpick]

A........ the Republicans or the ones donating to there campaigns are the ones who price gouge and profiteer

Uhm....Flash...the FTC has concluded their investigation and like the other 11 times previously, when demogogued by the Left that the oil companies were price gouging, no price gouging was found. It's just impossible for some people to wake up and smell the coffee.

[Fozzy]

Why blame the politicians? Because they have shut and locked the door and prevented us for too long from drilling for oil in the contiguous 48 states, because they have stopped us from drilling for oil on the outer continental shelf, and because they have prevented us from drilling for oil in ANWR. All of which would not only make us much less dependent on foreign oil and thus our national security much more secure than it is today, but with the added supplies combined from all these sources together when added to the pool of already existing available oil would make the price substantially lower than what it is today also. While at the same time also depriving the likes of the Islamofascist Jihadists and the Leftist Hugo Chavez?s of the world hard currency in which to wreck havoc and spread their misery.

Never mind the thousands of high paying lucrative jobs that would also be created domestically by the expansion of the oil industry and that would further be a boost to the economy, and never mind the fact that the Left's environmental extremism also prevents us from building any new oil refineries or even building environmentally clean nuclear plants.

And what?s behind it all? Why a lot of it has to do with the junk science that led to the global warming scare and now being widely debunked by new revelations almost on a daily basis, but a lot of it also has to do with a collective guilt complex suffered by the Left because America has been so enormously economically successful relative to the rest of the world, and also a lot of it has to do with the Left?s insane and inane hatred of all things having to do with corporations, capitalism, and especially, God forbid, profits.

Moreover, I?m one of those heavy footed dumb ass Americans driving one of those way too big and way too heavy gas guzzling vehicles that consumes entirely way too much fuel, and I?m not about to change my lifestyle or any of my wasteful habits because some dumb assed liberals believe in junk science and all suffer from some sort of insane collective guilt complex. Furthermore, if you hate capitalism and corporations so much, get over it, move to Sweden or something because that?s your problem and you have no right to foolishly attempt to force the rest of us sane Americans to conform to your idiotic idiosyncrasies. Anybody who professes that they would like to see $5 a gallon gasoline in order to force us to conform to their idiotic ideas of a socialist utopia, ought to have their head examined to see if their pea-sized brain is still intact and not atrophying.

There is no supply problem and there really never has been. You can drill all the oil you want, you still cannot push it through the ancient refining systems that we have now. Right now the only thing that will work is dropping the demand for the fuel. As for socialist remark.. its not I who is asking that the government provide fuel and cheap prices now is it? The fact is that you reap what you sow. You have declared your position about not chaning your habits so just enjoy the prices because it's this mindset that has allowed it to happen to us again. The Liberals get a lot of help from the general public (including the supposed conservatives), when they offer to build a refinery, they get shot down by the LOCALS! The liberal politicians are not stupid, they'd love to have a new refinery whereever they can get one. The people are just delusional and just like the groceries in the store appearing like magic, so does the fuel at the gas station.

[mrpersons]

Kinda old thread, I just had to wonder if anyone was <u>blameing</u> Mr Bush for the recent lower price of fuel? Seems they blame him for everything!

[Useless]

Kinda old thread, I just had to wonder if anyone was <u>blameing</u> Mr Bush for the recent lower price of fuel? Seems they blame him for everything!

Fuel prices ARE down...and they'll STAY down......
...............until the November elections are behind us!!

To quote the words of the immortal "Church Lady" of "Saturday Night Live"...

"Isn't that CONVEEEEENIENT!!!"

[druid2874]

Hell any party Democrats or Republican, that can dictate the world market of oil for elections need to stay in office if they have that much power.

[newolddrv]

I have suspected since the beginning that the war in Iraq is not about getting oil out of the ground; but keeping it IN the ground. They used to supply 15% of our oil. Keeping it in the ground is nothing new. I saw it firsthand with my own eyes in '76. I worked for a barge line in the gulf of mexico and as we passed Orange Texas it looked like a large city out on the water at night. One week later we came through and most of the lights on the rigs were out. Two days later in New Orleans the Sunday paper's headline read "Oil Shortage". It took those idiots in congress 6 months to figure this one out!
Last year there was news of the Alaska pipeline not being properly mantained. Gee big surprise! The oil companies never keep their promises to the govt. They were supposed to build a natural gas pipeline in Alaska. They haven't. Currenty they have 4 jet engines pumping natural gas BACK INTO the ground.
All of the oil companies have a long history of financing BOTH parties at the same time. That way no matter who is elected THEY WIN!
We will continue to be the losers until there is a serious threat to nationalize the oil comanies and take all this power and greed away from them.

[Cluggy619]

Hate to tell you all. We had the answer.

It wasn't until I watch "Who killed the electric car?" that I figured out why we have this need for oil.

This is why you pay a higher price. It's because when a alternative is found, it is truly shot down, and hushed up.

Did ya know that the EV could get up too 85 MPH?

Range of 100 miles?

Could you have used this car?

At first, I had my idea of what a electric car was. I NEVER knew that this type of vehicle existed. If it had progressed like the average car did, the range could have been up and around 250 miles.

Makes you wonder if the price your paying for gas could have been cheaper if these cars were still around. :evil: :evil:

just my .02 cents.

[coastie]

I would personally like to thank all of the people who voted for George Bush. Thank you for the high gas prices! Hopefully they double again before he leaves office. When gas finally reachs $8 to $10 a gal maybe then the american public will wake up and have an intervention for our addiction to foreign oil.

Theres many reasons why the price of oil is rising. There are two ways to begin to solve the problem.

1. An Apollo type project spearheaded by government leadership. It's a funny thought with this administration but might be possible in 2008.

2. Gas prices of $10 a gal within the next two years. Public leverage on private business and political leadership will spawn investment in alternatives.

Again...thank you George Bush and your oil cabinet! Were 1/3 of way to our goal! Keep up the great work in the New American Century!

LOL Well if Kerry had gone in they would have been twice the price. I watched the elections count on yahoo that night in 2004. The Oil and stock market went up and down as the count came in. When Kerry started to climb, so did the Oil Prices. They got much higher than they ever did since under President Bush. The Stock Market went down. But soon as President Bush won, the Oil Prices droped 30.00, and the Stock Market went back up. So yes I thank God Bush went back In. Not only for the Fuel Prices but for many other reasons.

Now if you want to discuss Problem childs, look at every Democrat in office now, Each and Every one of them has Betrayed America, The Troops, and YOU!.

Lost a Job because it moved over
seas or south of the Boarder?

Thank Democrat.

Drugs problems went up in your
City?

Thank a Democrat.

Member of the National Guard and
had to deploy to Iraq?

Thank a Democrat

Lost a Love one, or a Family
Member to terrorist?

Thank a Democrat.

Paying more in Taxes?

Thank a Democrat

Threaten of Nuclear Missiles
attacks from China or North Korea?

Thank a Democrat

[Odie]

I am sorry but, the price of fuel is not just a Republician thing. Last time I checked the other side of the isle was basically igoring the problem too. Hey, they all get campaign contrabutions from big oil.

With high prices we are only looking at a symptom of the problem, not the root of said problem. I personally think this is getting to be no longer a Gov of the people. It seems to me both sides of the isle could really care less about what their voters views are anymore and they could really care less about what is right for this country. They just seem to worry about getting into office or staying in office. That is it and they will give away the country to do it. The writing is on the wall. Wake up and read the message.

[Aligator]

I thought the Dems were in charge.........they told me they were as of the first of the year!

Told us they would have it all straightened out in one hundred days......................still waiting.

[Sheepdancer]

Just a little addition to this thread.
The bill in the DEMOCRAT controlled congress right now that increases taxes on oil companies and gas is expected to add about 79 cents a gallon by next year....and all the way up to 6 bucks a gallon by 2016.
Fortunately Bush will veto the bill. However who knows what will happen if the democrats keep Congress and then get the Presidency. However, Im not worried, I can afford a gas price increase. Can you?

So I guess the democrats answer for high gas prices is to make them higher. That makes sense.

[mirangermanll]

I thought the Dems were in charge.........they told me they were as of the first of the year!

Told us they would have it all straightened out in one hundred days......................still waiting.


Right- they just didn't say WHAT planet!


lol


:D :D :D


-charles

[bigpapa7272]

To quote comedian lewis black (who also speaks the truth about the gov. in my view) "government means democrats and republicans working together, This is how it works, the republican in congress gets up and says I got a really bad idea and then the democrat gets up and says I can make it ****tier"

The bottom line is the government has to step in and regulate the big oil companies. Big oil is getting wealthier by the day while the american dollar is shrinking and the poor are getting poorer. The oil companies could certainly afford to cut profits by 20 to 30 percent and still make money.

OPEC needs to be disbanded and Iraq should be selling us oil at dirt cheap prices for getting rid of saddam for them.

The government needs to step up to the plate and tell the enviromentalists "screw you we are going to build as many refineries as possible and we dont care what you think"

Final thought: If a gas station recieves a shipment of fuel on monday and the price of that fuel costs them 2.59 a gallon and they make it up to 2.65 then they normally dont get another shipment til thursday but the price goes up on wednesday morning to(the posted price) 2.72 how can you justify the increase when you havent recieved a delivery?

Thats like the grocery stores selling pork and beans for 99 cents, and then the news comes on and says in 6 months that beans will be in shorter supply, but the grocery store raises the price on prok and beans to 1.29 even though they wont see the price increase for 6 months.

Bottom line both are examples of PRICE GOUGING!

[terrylamar]

OPEC needs to be disbanded and Iraq should be selling us oil at dirt cheap prices for getting rid of saddam for them.

Before OPEC there was the Texas Railroad Commission. They were the model for the formation of OPEC. Was this commission evil, too?

The government needs to step up to the plate and tell the enviromentalists "screw you we are going to build as many refineries as possible and we dont care what you think"

I agree.

Final thought: If a gas station recieves a shipment of fuel on monday and the price of that fuel costs them 2.59 a gallon and they make it up to 2.65 then they normally dont get another shipment til thursday but the price goes up on wednesday morning to(the posted price) 2.72 how can you justify the increase when you havent recieved a delivery?

On Wednesday morning, where is the extra money coming from to pay for the higher cost for the shipment of oil. Do you really expect the Gas Station owner to take a hit?

Thats like the grocery stores selling pork and beans for 99 cents, and then the news comes on and says in 6 months that beans will be in shorter supply, but the grocery store raises the price on prok and beans to 1.29 even though they wont see the price increase for 6 months.

That is a wise business practice. Pass the cost of doing business onto the consumer. All businesses do it, except non-profit organizations.

Bottom line both are examples of PRICE GOUGING!

No, just the cost of doing business.

[Saylor]

While we are debating over whom is responsible for the high oil prices, the democrats or the republicans are laughing all the way to the bank. Until we decide to take back our government then we will continue being screwed by both parties.

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[superdave9]

AMEN Saylor....... that is pretty much IT!!!!! As George Carlin once said; "This country was bought and sold 200 years ago, and the ***** they shuffle around every 4 years is just that.....*****!" Arguing over which one of the crooked "puppets" is better than the other, is like finding out which shark has the harder bite, the White or the Tiger; :shock: does it really matter, they both will eat you regardless. Start DEMANDING our ELECTED officials actually DO what they PROMISE, no matter what their affiliation; Democrat or Republican. Imagine that :idea: . Oh BTW, since the U.S. has invaded, liberated, [or however you want to label] Iraq, where has the oil money gone to? Do the math........ Iraq pumps 1.8 million barrels a day x's $90 a barrel= 162,000,000 A DAY :shock: x's 7 days= 1,134,000,000, x's 30 days= 34,020,000,000, YES that is BILLIONS. Now multiply that figure for a few years, and so on. Now ask yourself; why are we still at "war" ? :roll: Three parter here, ...1..... Is the $ going to people of Iraq?......No........ #2........ Why are we paying for the "war" when a fraction of the oil $ from Iraq could pay for the "liberation"....No. 3..... Bush's family is in what business......oil?.....yeah, oil. I wonder why the gas prices are at peak prices? Now if you cannot figure out that one, maybe you should not be voting anyway. Just "my" opinion though. :wink:

[Saylor]

I agree. What did we expect when their money and power comes from oil. People never relinquish power willingly; it has to be taken from them.