CO2 now at 369 ppm (back in 2000)

[MichiganDriver]

Since we've established in other threads that people who live in trucks can out-science any scientist, maybe someone would care to disprove either:

A. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has grown from 280ppm in the 1800s to over 369ppm now.

B. CO2 traps heat.



The American 'allergy' to global warming: Why? - CBS News

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

[GMAN]

Even if we were to believe them, there is no evidence that the rise is due to anything that man has done or that it is due to emissions. We have also been told that R12 was responsible for global warming, so they banned R12 in the U.S. Apparently, it has not made any difference. Scientist's have found that we have had previous ice ages and other times where the climate has become warmer. We didn't have the internal combustion engine during those times. Our climate has generally been warming since the Middle Ages. That was prior to the invention of the internal combustion engine.

Just look what has been happening in recent years. We have had record cold and record snow falls. We have also had record high temperatures in summer months during the same time period. This planet has historically gone through times of warming and cooling. I think we are only going through another cycle. It will eventually change and go back the other way where we have milder summers and winters. Even those scientists who claimed that our climate was warming have been found to have lied or used faulty data. There are scientists who think that we are heading toward another iceage rather than warming. I don't think that man can effect the global weather. There is no evidence that man can or has been able to effect the weather.

[Mr. Ford95]

I read something yesterday that stated it's the sun's fault coupled with clouds for global warming.

As for freon, the scientists are full of it. They banned R12 yet R12 is heavier than air so it cannot damage the ozone like they claimed when it was banned. It doesn't take a scientist with a PHD to figure out they are wrong. Get a freon sniffer and find a can of R12 along with a can of 134, set them off with the sniffer about 5 feet above them. It will never go off but if you put that sniffer beside them it will go bonkers.

[MichiganDriver]

2 replies so far and so far 0 attempts to disprove either:


A. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has grown from 280ppm in the 1800s to over 369ppm now.

B. CO2 traps heat.



Next contestant...

[Mr. Ford95]

Ain't buying it, during the Pre-Historic era it's thought that the CO2 levels were 5 times higher than current levels. The dinosaurs had it way worse and they weren't riding around in Land Rover's. 'Splain that.

What I read was that CO2 doesn't trap heat, it's the clouds that do it, per Cambridge University UK also:

On the one hand, white-colored cloud tops promote cooling of Earth's surface by reflecting shortwave radiation from the Sun. Most of the sunlight that reaches the ground is absorbed, warming the surface, which emits radiation upward at longer, infrared, wavelengths. At these wavelengths, however, water in the clouds acts as an efficient absorber. The water reacts by radiating, also in the infrared, both upward and downward, and the downward radiation results in a net warming at the surface. This is analogous to the greenhouse effect of greenhouse gases and water vapor.

CO2 is a good thing, we cannot eliminate it. If we eliminate it, plants and trees will die off. CO2 always goes down in Spring and Summer but goes up in Fall and Winter.

[repete]

[QUOTE=MichiganDriver;503456]2 replies so far and so far 0 attempts to disprove either:


A. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has grown from 280ppm in the 1800s to over 369ppm now.

B. CO2 traps heat.





How's the CO2 measured in the 1800s? From ice core samples taken today! Who's to say that 30% of the CO2 didn't leak out from the ice in the past 200 years?

Besides whats the problem? CO2 is what plants breathe they also need warmth to grow, critters eat the plants and we eat the critters problem? What problem?

[Mr. Ford95]

The reason so many people aren't buying into this stuff, for every study that proves we have a man made issue there is another study that disproves that and shows it's a natural occurrence. It really didn't help when a bunch of UK scientists were proven to be making up info and data that said global warming was a major man made disaster.

[Orangetxguy]

The reason so many people aren't buying into this stuff, for every study that proves we have a man made issue there is another study that disproves that and shows it's a natural occurrence. It really didn't help when a bunch of UK scientists were proven to be making up info and data that said global warming was a major man made disaster.

That right there says it all.

"MAN" decided what "Global Warming" is......and "MAN" decides what causes "Global Warming".

It is ALL about the money.



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[Malaki86]

It's my fault about the rising CO2 levels. I've been on a Tex-Mex binge over the last couple of years. I think that's also the same reason I've lost a portion of my hair as well as 2 wives.

[slowmover]

The same "scientists" who advocated that asbestos in building materials and tretraethyl lead in gasoline were safe were the same men who then worked for the tobacco companies to pull the same trick regarding cigarettes. The research on tobacco problem was done by the 1930's. But it took until 1964 for the Surgeon General to issue a statement. Those same men and their "heirs" have gone to work for Big Oil and the others who fund the "controversy" over global warming. That's the money angle. They get rich by lying. Like Limbaugh or Colbert or the others. As Joe Bageant put it: "Americans are like mushrooms: just keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em horse****". Apparently some develop a taste for that.

Scientists have been in agreement a long time on climate change. The last year of normalcy was 1976. Annual weather anomalies are NOT climate change, per se. But when one sees record drought in one county, and record floods one county over one could be onto the right track about annual events being caused by different conditions than before. Call it "weird weather" if you want. Predictability is being lost: there will come a point where the answer on "how soon can you get this load here" will be nothing but a lie.

Since the tipping point for bad effects has already been passed, what you call it or think of it don't matter much any more. But how much faster do you want to slide downhill?

Consider that the expense of everything you do, or what you need, goes up for that loss of predictability. Not just dollars lost, but the propensity for injuries, infections and other health-insults that seem not related at first. Direct effects on your life. On your truck. It's not much fun to take this seriously, but that's what adults do: try to figure out what the cost will be. What is the worst-case scenario? Pascal's Wager, if you want to be fancy. If one takes actions as a result of understanding implications, then -- if wrong -- then one is out very little. But if wrong, it could be disastrous for ones' life (the lives of ones children and grandchildren, and knowing that one acted in their best interest as "ones' life" definition), and what one worked for all those years.

It's an emotional appeal being made as to "controversy" to which the above responses about climate change or the EPA or other (and all the others on this board, many boards) that distinguishes an increasingly Third World country: "Reason" becomes meaningless with those who choose illiteracy. Ad hominem attacks: there are good guys. And bad guys. And here's some humor to lighten the load . . and drives the "message" home. Works every time.

Thinking is a tool that dulls without use.

Listen to the a-hole media mouths and get what you deserve, if you want to look at it that way. The library still has plenty of books (the ones that aren't closing; gee, why do we have libraries?), and there are tons of recommendations online on what book titles to read, for basics, for definitions. Everyone here is old enough to know that there's no free lunch no matter where one turns. And bad news isn't false because it's bad (except that children find that so).

This applies to domestic and foreign policy, to news of other places, as well. What isn't reported is generally more important than what is. If one chooses to be distracted by trivialities, then so be it. There's an easy reason why a guru as dumb as Limbaugh makes $25-million a year: his audience.

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[Malaki86]

1976 was NORMAL? Even though I was only 8 years old at the time, I distinctly remember almost 4' of snow (it was higher than I was tall) at least THREE times in one winter.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: Yes, the climate is changing. In fact, it's been changing for the past 4.65BILLION years that the planet has existed. 30,000 years ago, there was glaciers over a mile thick on Long Island. 40million years ago, Long Island was a tropical island.