Breaking news: Osama Bin Laden KILLED by U.S. troops!

[mitchno1]

at the end of the day mates and we all are f..k the rag heads ,seals 6 go for it we all impressed.

[Orangetxguy]

Hmmmmmm. Some really "interesting theories" happening here!!

I have a couple questions for those whom think that 9/11 was a "work of art" by the government.

Question 1; Do you believe that all the various news video and private video shots of United Flight 175 flying into WTC Tower 2, are fake?

Question 2; Do you believe that the traffic camera videos and the few private videos of American Airlines Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon are fake?

Question 3; Have you got any clue what happens to an passenger airliner or even a freighter airliner, that crashes into the ground (Or mud for that matter) at over 800 miles per hour? (That is about the speed of a burning DC 9 that crashed into the Florida Everglades back in the 90's, and about the speed of United Flight 93, when it hit the ground at Shanksville PA.)



It's getting really boring watching the slow "windmill" speeds.

[Windwalker]

And, now. For all of you that are falling so hard for all the "CONSPIRACY THEORIST'S BULL".....

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42928874/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/?GT1=43001

Al-Qaida confirms bin Laden's death

Al-Qaida on Friday confirmed the killing of Osama bin Laden and warned of retaliation, saying America's "happiness will turn to sadness."
The confirmation came in an Internet statement posted on militant websites, signed by "the general leadership" of al-Qaida.
The announcement opens the way for the group to name a successor to bin Laden. His deputy Ayman al-Zawahri is now the most prominent figure in the group and is a very likely contender to take his place. The U.S.-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, thought to be hiding in Yemen, has also been mentioned as a possible successor.
The statement, dated May 3, was the first by the terror network since bin Laden was killed Monday by U.S. commandos in a raid on his hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
The statement's authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but it was posted on websites where the group traditionally puts out its messages.
The statement vowed that al-Qaida would not deviate from the path of armed struggle and said bin Laden's blood "is more precious to us and to every Muslim than to be wasted in vain."
'Curse that chases' Americans
"It (bin Laden's blood) will remain, with permission from Allah the Almighty, a curse that chases the Americans and their agents, and goes after them inside and outside their countries," the militant network said in a statement released on Islamist Internet forums and translated by the SITE monitoring service.
"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness," it said, "their blood will be mingled with their tears."
In the statement, al-Qaida also called on the people of Pakistan — "on whose land Sheikh Osama was killed" — to rise up in revolt against its leaders "to cleanse this shame that has been attached to them by a clique of traitors and thieves ... and in general to cleanse their country from the filth of the Americans who spread corruption in it."

I have a very strong... Call it a "hunch". If he had been killed back in 01 or 02, today, they would want us to believe we got the wrong man, and that he is still alive.


So much for Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, the "FICTION WRITER".

[MichiganDriver]

And, now. For all of you that are falling so hard for all the "CONSPIRACY THEORIST'S BULL".....

Good post. I think you nailed it. One thing though. I don't think many people fell for the bull. Just speaking for myself I was/am about speechless on the subject. What can you say? Ragging on someone choosing to believe such a fringe idea would only serve to "prove" to them the necessity of them speaking out, like they're performing an important service or something.

Expressing sympathy sounds downright trite.

All ya can do is commensurate that life does pretty much suck lately and I would love to have evidence that THEY are behind it all too.

[Windwalker]

Good post. I think you nailed it. One thing though. I don't think many people fell for the bull. Just speaking for myself I was/am about speechless on the subject. What can you say? Ragging on someone choosing to believe such a fringe idea would only serve to "prove" to them the necessity of them speaking out, like they're performing an important service or something.

Expressing sympathy sounds downright trite.

All ya can do is commensurate that life does pretty much suck lately and I would love to have evidence that THEY are behind it all too.

Actually, some of the "theorist's questions" are not bad. When I first heard of the implosion of the two towers, I looked into it. I think I spent more than 2 months researching it. One of the surprises I came up with is, an earthquake of about magnitude of 8 would have stood a good chance of bringing the towers down too. Bin Laden would have been in the clear. The buildings were "NOT" designed for shaky ground. Of course, in that case, the "conspiracy theorists" might have tried to pin that on him.

[ilikeike]

. . No. The little rotors that I saw pictured certainly did not come off of any commercial jet that was flown into the building. I don't know what they came from or what they were doing there, but they did not come flying in.

And the conspiracy theorists don't know their azzes from a whole in the ground.

Well, the conspiracy theorists do know a plane crash from a hole in the ground. Flight whichever did not hit the Pentagon and flight the other did not crash in Shanksville. No wreckage + no debris field = no commercial aircraft.

[ilikeike]

Hmmmmmm. Some really "interesting theories" happening here!!

I have a couple questions for those whom think that 9/11 was a "work of art" by the government.

Question 1; Do you believe that all the various news video and private video shots of United Flight 175 flying into WTC Tower 2, are fake?

Question 2; Do you believe that the traffic camera videos and the few private videos of American Airlines Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon are fake?

Question 3; Have you got any clue what happens to an passenger airliner or even a freighter airliner, that crashes into the ground (Or mud for that matter) at over 800 miles per hour? (That is about the speed of a burning DC 9 that crashed into the Florida Everglades back in the 90's, and about the speed of United Flight 93, when it hit the ground at Shanksville PA.)

It's getting really boring watching the slow "windmill" speeds.

1. No and the experts agree.

2. Yes and the experts agree.

3. Yes. Wreckage and debris. There is no credible explanation for the absence of either. Post a few pictures that will prove me wrong. Trust me. I went looking for pictures to prove me wrong. There aren't any.

[mitchno1]

Actually, some of the "theorist's questions" are not bad. When I first heard of the implosion of the two towers, I looked into it. I think I spent more than 2 months researching it. One of the surprises I came up with is, an earthquake of about magnitude of 8 would have stood a good chance of bringing the towers down too. Bin Laden would have been in the clear. The buildings were "NOT" designed for shaky ground. Of course, in that case, the "conspiracy theorists" might have tried to pin that on him.

yes mate but does any one or outfit build a building that will stand up to stupid ragheads flying a jet linner in to it,no but if you flew one into their mosque you would be unprintable in here,and fk them i would do it they dont give a stuff about our familes so fk theirs

[Roadhog]

Haven't been hearing much of anything from the Muslims applauding Osama's death, and using this moment to condemn Jihad.

Do hear quite a bit of Osama supporters condemning Obama and America though.

Just like the Pakistani's... Muslims are showing their true colors.

[golfhobo]

The Minnesota office of CAIR, the Council on
American-Islamic Relations, sent out the national
group’s statement to the media today, as well:

"We join our fellow citizens in welcoming the
announcement that Osama bin Laden has been eliminated as
a threat to our nation and the world through the actions
of American military personnel. As we have stated
repeatedly since the 9/11 terror attacks, bin Laden
never represented Muslims or Islam. In fact, in addition
to the killing of thousands of Americans, he and Al
Qaeda caused the deaths of countless Muslims worldwide.
We also reiterate President Obama’s clear statement
tonight that the United States is not at war with Islam."

Ellison, Muslim community applaud elimination of bin Laden | Minnesota Independent: News. Politics. Media.

LI Muslims applaud bin Laden raid

[golfhobo]

Check the (link posted above) man's credentials and then listen to his story, here:

» Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

This link will take you to yesterday's appearance. It's a few paragraphs of introduction followed by audio/video of the interview. Every word he speaks is backed up by the public record with links provided. The motivation is clear. Do you want me to give you my interpretation or would you prefer to hear it from the horses mouth? Check it out and we can discuss it. Or don't. If you don't, we can't discuss it.

Okay, IlikeIke: I've read all your links. I even wasted an hour or so on the INFOWARS link. I now have a BETTER understanding of this "fake," and your position on all of this.

I waded through the first two 15 min segments on Infowars, as well as the last one. I just couldn't force myself to sit through segments 3 and 4. I'm pretty sure they were just more of the same.

I heard Alex Jones FAWNING all over this guy, as most rightwing radio hosts tend to do.... and I heard him correct his OWN biography several times. I think Jones said that he'd been through EIGHT wars!

I heard PiecSHIRT even admit that he NEVER served directly under Kissinger, but only under Eagleberger. The number or administrations seem to fluctuate between THREE and 5 or 6. I even heard BOTH of them claim that HE was the model for the character of Dr. Ryan of Clancy fame (another FICTION WRITER.)

I'm about through with this B.S. In ONE of those videos, he didn't even SAY that UBL was dead.... but, that they SUSPECTED he was dead of Marfans! I'll guarantee you a few things: that if UBL died in 2001, and the gov't kept him on ice, that DUBYA would have trotted out his corpse before the 2004 election to ensure his re-election! And if it was STILL a secret.... Obama would have waited until CLOSER to the 2012 election to make his claim of a kill! As it stands right now.... the bump Obama got MAY diminish before NEXT fall!

THIS GUY IS A TOTAL FAKE!

NO ONE on earth could have done all the things he's claimed to have done without being WELL KNOWN and with a bigger "google" footprint than this guy has! He's been heralded by the IDIOTS of rightwing radio and "believed" ONLY by the fools who listen to it!

He claims to be a doctor (and to have spoken with doctors around the world who served everyone from HITLER to UBL,) but NEVER mentions any bad guys like Milosevich or even Mubarak! He talks about the lies of the last 3 presidents, but never mentions Nixon, Reagan or Carter! (that he supposedly served in high places under.) He has an agenda that started with Clinton.... though claims a resume that begins under Nixon! What... NO MENTION of "arms for hostages?"

He claims to have written our policy for "hostage negotiations," and then even claims to have interrogated prisoners of the War on Terror. IF he held such a high postion under these MANY administrations.... he would NOT have had any direct contact with those interrogated! [Which he claims he did.]

He seems to be more concerned with ECONOMICS under Obama, yet has NO creds to that effect. He claims to be a doctor.... yet never ONCE mentioned Obamacare!

Need I go on? I have reluctantly established my creds as an intelligence analyst on this forum, and I can provide more info now that I know that most of what I did has been declassified (see another thread,) and I have NEVER claimed the high positions that this FAKE has claimed! But, I was TAUGHT to recognize B.S. when I see it.... and this guy is FULL of it!

Does our gov't LIE to the people? YES... they do! That is our JOB in some cases! I've been lying most of my life! YOU are not supposed to be privy to ALL the truth! It's not that you "can't handle the truth," it's that loose lips sink ships!

Less than 5% of our population VOLUNTEER for the services, and less than .05 % of THEM qualify for the intelligence services! Somewhat like the SEALS.... WE are the "best of the best!"

Now.... you can take that idiot Alex Jones' word.... or you can take MINE. I really don't CARE, and I have NO ILLUSIONS that you will make the right choice!

..... But, you DID ask!

Maybe you know all about rebuilding a combustible engine. I DON'T! When my car breaks down, I take it to an EXPERT. I don't necessarily believe everything he tells me I NEED..... but, I don't have the "creds" to argue with him.

You may think the gov't is the SAME... and I share your concern. But, I have the knowledge to know when "they" are lying. Alex Jones does NOT.... and I don't think YOU do either. (based on your posts.)

I think I'm DONE here.... unless you are OPEN to a discussion of FACTS and not INNUENDOS.

[Windwalker]

Check the (link posted above) man's credentials and then listen to his story, here:

» Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

This link will take you to yesterday's appearance. It's a few paragraphs of introduction followed by audio/video of the interview. Every word he speaks is backed up by the public record with links provided. The motivation is clear. Do you want me to give you my interpretation or would you prefer to hear it from the horses mouth? Check it out and we can discuss it. Or don't. If you don't, we can't discuss it.

I missed seeing this the first time around. But, I've heard things with Alex Jones involved before.

Ever hear the saying: "There's a sucker born every minute."?

I'm afraid that when you begin to involve people like Alex Jones, it reminds me of the way that extremists recruit membership. They "prey" on people that are looking to improve their own lives, people with limited education, and promise them something better. I recognize a slightly different slant on the same thing. Now, suppose I give you a couple of facts that you may not know.

Alex Jones is one of the people, that some years ago, made a statement that the concentration camps in Germany did not exist. That the gas furnaces were a figment of someone's imagination. I also knew an elderly couple in Philadelphia that owned a Polish restaurant. Both of them survived Auschwitz. And, between their version of what went on and the version of Alex Jones, there was a 180 degree phase shift. It amounted to Alex Jones trying to tell two survivors of a death camp that they experienced was a figment of their imagination. Sebina and her husband had numbers tattooed on the inside forearm of the left arm, put there by the Germans during WWII. I'm afraid that he's a bunch of bullcrap.

What you're listening to in those videos is actually a form of hypnosis. The way they present it, conditions you to accept it as fact. Some people are more more easily won over to it than others. They don't care about the rest of us, but as long as their technique maintains their following, that works. It keep them employed, so to speak. If everyone quit listening to them, they'd be out of work.

I know a couple of Arab Internet Sites, and I do have translation software. I don't post anything on them, and when I go there, it is "INCOGNITO". They don't know I'm looking in. I can tell you that they were buzzing with the news that Bin Laden was killed even before the news media broke the story here. What I'm seeing contradicts everything that Jones and Pieczenik are saying.

It means that, not only has the government convinced the American People that Bin Laden has been alive for the last ten years, it also means they've been able to convince Al Queda that he was alive. Got any idea how fantastic an accomplishment that would have to be? How extensive the fraud would have to be? How many people would have to be involved? Not possible. There is no way that many people would keep it a secret that long.

I'm afraid you and quite a number of people have been HAD. No wonder so many people are against the war. If Bin Laden was dead, there was no reason to go to war. If you listen to a crack-pot, you're going to sound like one too. The only reason I can see for Pieczenik to be in that camp is for personal gain of some kind.

[golfhobo]

Crickets..... !

[ilikeike]

"I think I'm DONE here.... unless you are OPEN to a discussion of FACTS and not INNUENDOS."

Post some facts and we'll discuss them.

[golfhobo]

"I think I'm DONE here.... unless you are OPEN to a discussion of FACTS and not INNUENDOS."

Post some facts and we'll discuss them.

I don't have a lot of time to research and verify "facts" that most of us find to be credible. I'm sure you have a "template" ready for anything I would say.

1: There was a fairly well-known news reporter on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. She is no longer on the air. Did she sell her soul for anonymity? [And this would apply to THOUSANDS of Americans who aren't here today!]

2: There are numerous "tapes" of cellphone conversations with the "soon to be" DEAD. Where are they (the people) NOW?

3: Recently, we found out that certain "smartphones" track your GPS whether you "allow" it or not. I wonder if any of those "tracks" would support YOUR theory... or the gov'ts?

4: We have airport security photos of the hijackers getting ONTO those planes. We have conclusive FBI reports that the hijackers were training to fly large aircraft. [What a COINCIDENCE "that" would be!]

5: We have Bin Laden and A.Q. tapes taking credit for it AND honestly saying they didn't expect the outcome they got. [Admissions of guilt WITHOUT "waterboarding!"]

6: We have "deer in the headlights" video of Bush hearing the news! He's NOT that good of an actor!

7: We have conclusive proof (IMHO) that Bush was looking for a reason (and would CREATE it) to invade Iraq LONG before 9/11! He didn't NEED to kill thousands of Americans, nearly destroy the economy, and whatever ELSE you think he did, to go to war!

8: We have the Clinton report that warned us of an attack on U.S. soil. [and more recent ones saying they probably can't do it again, and therefore should concentrate on U.S. properties/assets in foreing countries.]

9: We have the video of the collapse of the towers, and contrary to ANY reports, I don't see any evidence of "controlled demolition charges."

And then we could talk about Norad and the "defense posture" of the time (which I know quite a bit about,) that led us to be caught off guard.

What do YOU have? Crackpots on radio saying they KNOW something?

What is your agenda? What dog do you have in this fight? You can't POSSIBLY hate Dubya more than I do (for what he did to this country AFTER the attack.)

But, to suggest that our gov't, or our president, would do what YOU say he did... is TREASONOUS and amounts to PIZZING ON THE GRAVES of the Hundreds of Thousands of American soldiers buried throughout the world, the founding fathers, and the documents and ideals that formed our great nation!

It insults the dedication of thousands in the intelligence community, (many of whom WARNED of this,) and assigns to them a nefarious intention that would implicate them in subversive activities. And YOU DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT!!

Now... I'll consider your "so called" FACTS, when you've addressed every ONE of mine. And not one minute before!