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[robertt]

http://media.nbcnewyork.com/designvi...ddedPlayer.swf

[Orangetxguy]

What is it....cuz the link doesn't work.

[Mr. Ford95]

It wasn't the UPS truck that decided he wanted a shorter trailer behind him was it? The one in Fort Gay, WV. got into it with a CSX Freight train.

[robertt]

It wasn't the UPS truck that decided he wanted a shorter trailer behind him was it? The one in Fort Gay, WV. got into it with a CSX Freight train.

No.... It was at JFK. Sorry guy's. After I posted it and realized the link wouldn't open I tried to delete it and I couldn't figure it out, so I'm sorry for the "fakeout". If you want to see it, it is on "theblaze.com" and probably other places too but that is just where I initially saw it. It was an Airbus 360 taxing and it's wing hit the tail of a smaller commuter plane waiting to get into it's terminal and it spins it 90 degrees. I've been around airplanes my whole life and hadn't seen anything like it. I couldn't believe it didn't rip off the tail of the smaller plane. I couldn't imagine being a passenger on the plane that got hit, not to mention how hard the Airbus pilots got on the brakes. Again, I apologize.

[Mr. Ford95]

Ah yes, the Comair jet wasn't that small, it was carrying 62 plus a crew of 4. It is amazing it didn't snap the tail off, that plane is awful rigid and strong to take that hit like it did.

Here's video from the UK's Sky News on it:Air France Super Jumbo Wings Small Jet At JFK - Yahoo! News UK

[robertt]

Ah yes, the Comair jet wasn't that small, it was carrying 62 plus a crew of 4. It is amazing it didn't snap the tail off, that plane is awful rigid and strong to take that hit like it did.

Here's video from the UK's Sky News on it:Air France Super Jumbo Wings Small Jet At JFK - Yahoo! News UK

Thanks for bailing me out Mr. Ford

[Mr. Ford95]

No prob.

Guess this goes down as a preventable? Doubt he even saw that little tonka toy plane sitting there.

[ironeagle_2006]

I read a few Aircraft BB and the Airbus Cheerleaders are already saying that the Smaller plane should not have been there. AKA they think he should have been in the air even though he was landing there ahead of the A380 that was taking off. I stillthink the best visual was from Fox news that showed the A380 is 30% larger than a 747 and it was in 3D then the reporter went and they think this thing is SAFE on the ground.

[robertt]

No prob.

Guess this goes down as a preventable? Doubt he even saw that little tonka toy plane sitting there.

The crew was probably busy going through their "before takeoff" checklist, getting directions from the tower, going through their flight plan and clearances, etc., Not to mention the radio traffic going on at JFK, plenty of distractions. You wouldn't believe what the pilots go through just to get ready to takeoff. I have about 1600hrs of flight time in C-5's. You ever see how big one of those are? 247' long, a wing span of 222', and the tail is 65' in the air and the cockpit is 30' up. It's amazing how much room one of those needs to get around. I just happened to have went to JFK once in one. We didn't taxi around the passenger terminals, but we were still around smaller cargo jets. The difference in a military plane and a commercial plane is that you have people other than the pilots, (scanners), that come up and watch out the side windows for the pilots while they are taxing around to make sure that just this very kind of thing doesn't happen. They don't make any turns or pass by anything without clarifying "clear left" or "clear right". I don't know the dimensions of an Airbus but I'm sure it's comparable.

Not that I'm trying to make excuses for the commuter plane or the Airbus, but it looks like they were stopped waiting to get to their gate and just didn't pull up far enough. The person doing the "marshalling" could have stopped him shorter than he should have, their is no telling. When your taxing around those places you tend to automatically assume that everybody is out of the way as long as you are on the taxi lines. As the saying goes, you can see what assuming will get you.

[golfhobo]

robertt, from what I heard the Airbus 380 (which this was) has a wider wingspan than the C-5. Don't remember exactly what they said, but it came out to be JUST short of a football field! They were talking about how not many airports could handle it because.... as you mentioned.... the "taxi lanes" and other tarmac markings were not made with that much extra clearance. This thing is huge! I don't know if the comair was supposed to be there or not, but I'm sure he thought he was out of the way. He didn't know such a huge plane was on it's way in!

Someone mentioned how this points out the importance of STAYING in your seat until cleared to be up and around!

I heard the cockpit audio and the Airbus pilots didn't even realize they had hit anything! I also heard that the Airbus can carry 800+ passengers! Man, if one of them goes down....

[Roadhog]

I hope someone gets a hold of the tower conversations....and puts it up on YouTube

[Mr. Ford95]

Hobo, it can 853 if the drop the classes. With classes it's only 525 people, still a heck of a lot of people. As for the taxi lanes, yes, the FAA is apparently going to take another look at that particulary at JFK. They only have 65' wide lanes and the FAA assumed it would be ok because nobody really knows how much it really needs until it hits something. It's wingspan is 261 feet, overall length is 238 ft. No telling how high the cockpit is, it lists the overall height at 80 ft, it lists the outside fuselage height as 27 ft. I reckon that's from the ground to the belly of the plane? What's scary is the Russian's have a plane that is even bigger.

Qauntico has a C-5 come in all the time, that thing is a monster from a long ways away as it flies over. It usually goes over my grandparents farm on approach about 2K feet high. Doesn't look right seeing that big of a plane going overhead.

[robertt]

C-5/B and a Russian Anotov 225. I don't know the particular's for the Russian plane, but the C-5 has a gross takeoff weight of 769,000lbs. It can hold up to 52,000 gals of fuel. 28 tires. The engines on this C-5 are the old ones. 41,000lbs of thrust each. They are Re-powering the fleet with new more powerful, more efficient, quieter engines now, they will be C-5/M's

[Orangetxguy]

Hobo, it can 853 if the drop the classes. With classes it's only 525 people, still a heck of a lot of people. As for the taxi lanes, yes, the FAA is apparently going to take another look at that particulary at JFK. They only have 65' wide lanes and the FAA assumed it would be ok because nobody really knows how much it really needs until it hits something. It's wingspan is 261 feet, overall length is 238 ft. No telling how high the cockpit is, it lists the overall height at 80 ft, it lists the outside fuselage height as 27 ft. I reckon that's from the ground to the belly of the plane? What's scary is the Russian's have a plane that is even bigger.

Qauntico has a C-5 come in all the time, that thing is a monster from a long ways away as it flies over. It usually goes over my grandparents farm on approach about 2K feet high. Doesn't look right seeing that big of a plane going overhead.

This report has a good explaination of what might have happened!

JKF Airport Accident: Planes Bump

[Orangetxguy]

C-5/B and a Russian Anotov 225

The Galaxy is way more impressive! Especially when 2 M1A1 tanks drive out of it! Have seen both planes side-by-side at McCord AFB in Tacoma WA before.

[robertt]

This report has a good explaination of what might have happened!

JKF Airport Accident: Planes Bump

Great story. I figured one of the explanations was that the commuter jet had stopped short of where he was suppose to be.

[Orangetxguy]

Great story. I figured one of the explanations was that the commuter jet had stopped short of where he was suppose to be.

IF he did stop short because of a 4-wheeler....then there will be someone looking for work...because all traffic is supposed to yield to aircraft....last I knew. I used to know a lot of pilots at SeaTac.

[robertt]

IF he did stop short because of a 4-wheeler....then there will be someone looking for work...because all traffic is supposed to yield to aircraft....last I knew. I used to know a lot of pilots at SeaTac.

Your are correct. The #1 thing that is stressed when you have an airfield driving liscense, on a military installation anyway, is AIRPLANES COME FIRST! Whether they are being towed or they are taxiing you better get out of the way. I just know from having a liscense on an AFB, I don't know what the training or requirements are for Commercial airports are. From what I have seen in the past and heard about, they just kinda get in and drive around wherever they need to go with a pat on the head and "look out for the planes".

For us it's pretty strict training and testing. We have to know what all of the signs and markings mean on the airfield that the pilots use as well, and you have to be able to communicate on the radio too because your on the same frequency that the pilots are on. It's not just hey I'm going here or I need to do this or that, there is a very strict protocol to follow or you answer to the "Airfield Manager" or as we affectionatley refer to them as, "The Ramp Nazi". Even when I'm running engines on an aircraft we have to monitor the Ground frequency AND monitor all of your gauges and pay attention to the task at hand. It can get quite busy, especially if you have a bunch of planes doing touch and goes.

Even with all of the "safeguards" and training that the Bases have their are still runway incursions, and there is always some idiot who wants to drive behing you when you are running engines at power, but when we run we have a ground person we are communicating with so we can usally avoid anything bad, but bad things do happen every once in a while.

[golfhobo]

Mr. Ford said:

Hobo, it can 853 if the drop the classes. With classes it's only 525 people, still a heck of a lot of people.

853.... that's the number I heard. I'm not arguing ANY facts, cuz I'm just going by what I remember on the radio yesterday but...

As for the taxi lanes, yes, the FAA is apparently going to take another look at that particulary at JFK. They only have 65' wide lanes and the FAA assumed it would be ok because nobody really knows how much it really needs until it hits something.

Only 65 feet? You sure? Or could that be left and right of center. At any rate, the real problem is when it gets where the taxi lanes meet the tarmac. I also heard that the FAA had to give exemptions to most airports to let the beast land!

It's wingspan is 261 feet,

Yeah, I couldn't remember the exact number, but I calculated it to be about 10 yards short of a touchdown!

I also heard that it's wings hung over the RUNWAYS by 90 ft on either side! Of course, runways are wider than taxiways aren't they?

What's scary is the Russian's have a plane that is even bigger.

Are you sure? I thought I remembered that the Russian's built a plane larger than our C-5 (I guess that would be the Antonov 225?).... but I swear I heard several times yesterday that the Airbus 380 is the largest in the world!

For robertt:

What is that aircraft going into the C-5? I recognize it and should know it... but, I'm drawing a blank. Isn't that one of the Navy's SAR choppers? Don't laugh at me for being wrong!

I remember back when the C-5 first came out.... I think I was statioined in Greece. Anyways..... I saw them pull FIVE F-5's out of the belly!!! Wings tied back, of course. We were selling them to the locals. The F-5 [Talon??] is a small plane.... but still!!!

[robertt]

What is that aircraft going into the C-5? I recognize it and should know it... but, I'm drawing a blank. Isn't that one of the Navy's SAR choppers? Don't laugh at me for being wrong!

MH-53 PAVE LOW, it can hold up to 55 troops and this one belongs to the USAF. The Navy has their version and so do the Marines. A C-5 can carry 2 of these. They have to pull the motor or rotor head out of the top if it because it's too tall to fit otherwise. It's what they used to pull the mine sweepers back in the 80's in the Persian Gulf.