How do you feel about Haiti??

[Mackman]

This is my rant about Haiti.

Now we are bringing these Haiti people to our country to use our Hospitals. But a American cant use the hospital if he doesn't have Insurance. Plus all the millions we gave them. I just don't ****ing get it!!!! Why cant we take care of our own first.

Anyone esle feel this way??

[Syncrosonix]

i'm with you on that. we need to focus on our own damn problems and stop giving freebies to other nations. the very same nations that talk nonstop smack.

[Roadhog]

Anyone esle feel this way??

Absolutely, and should have been for some time now. We have over bloated welfare programs with millions of lazy ignorant drug addict sperm donor criminals who do nothing but breed more of the same scum who suck off the taxpayer their entire worthless POS lives.

In a nutshell, the problems here at home and worldwide have to do with politicians, and corrupt governments that lies to, and steal from the people.

Why can't we help our own first? Regular Americans always try with charity, tax dollars, and volunteerism. We've allowed more and more government welfare and entitlement programs, because we've trusted and relied upon our leaders to be doing the right thing. But we now can plainly see, the government designs the programs to fail, so they can ask for more and more tax dollars, power and control.

The will to do the right thing is all but dead, as people realize how overwhelming this has become. Everything has become unsustainable, and beyond the point of no return. I think we all sense what is coming, and we don't want to believe it. Once you are swirling the drain, it's a little late to be waking up.

Helping the Haitians is mainly an effort to not feel totally numb to human suffering. Maybe next year we won't be in any position to care.

[bikerboy]

i agree, i am pretty sure the US has debts they need to pay and canada likely does too, we need to focus on paying off our own debts before we go and give money away to other countries.

Giving them money is like feeding wild animals, they just keep breeding and coming back for more, it will never end!

stop the cycle now!

[Fredog]

how much did they help us after our last disaster?

[Malaki86]

As for the drug abusing welfare recipients, West Virginia is working on passing a law requiring drug testing on ALL persons receiving public assistance. I hope this bill passes as it's got the most common-sense approach to the problem.

[Ridge Runner]

Good question Mackman, and tough to answer. There are two different fronts at work here. The government front and the private front.

As to the former: This is America. We will lead the way. Why? Because it's what we do and we do damn well. Things were going nowhere there until we ( our military ) stepped in. They are set up to handle things like this. We ( the US ) are the best there is. Because of that, the world expects this of us and we always deliver. I know things are tough here for a lot of folks and while I don't like someone else giving my money away to others, but I would rather see it go to someone who is suffering like the people of Haiti than some drunk/drugged out parent or to teach our nations kids how "bad" America is because we have so much more than everyone else. Being the best, being number one, being the leader is a great burden and we bear it knowing that somewhere, someone will try to find fault with what or how we did it.

On the private front: I can sum this one up fairly quick. Haiti has a small airport. The LARGE amount of doctors, supplies ect... that are going there have to make an appointment to land. My understanding is that the wait time is several days. The American people have ALWAYS stepped up to the plate when others are in need. Deep down I think Americans know they have been blessed to live in the greatest country on earth. Because of that, giving to those in need comes natural because it is the right thing to do.

So, there is my "contary" opinion for the day.

Ridge

[Orangetxguy]

how much did they help us after our last disaster?

Everytime WE have a hurricane...doesn't matter where it hits the USA....Haiti has its hands extended expecting a share of any disaster money!!


It's to bad about all the deaths down there....but chit happens. We stepped up for the Tsunami back in 04. We step up everytime ANY country has a disaster!

Enough is never going to be enough!

[Jackrabbit379]

I think everyone has some good points, and I agree with everyone.

Yeah, there are so many people in our country that are in need, and can't afford insurance, nor can they afford out-of-pocket doctor bills. There are so many that are out-of-work, and they have trouble finding work. Those are the ones that are hung out to dry. At the same time, there are so many that have Medicaid, and don't need it. We have no-telling how many right here in our city. My wife works for my eye doctor, and she sees this crap nearly on a daily basis. They come in needing glasses. They pull up in a Cadillac, or a SUV. They are wearing $500 worth of clothes, not to mention their $300 purse. They are well manicured, and they pull out their Medicaid card. Some of them want the "high-dollar" glasses, and Medicaid doesn't approve it, so they pull out a wad of cash and pay the difference. That puts a burr under my saddle. That's where my tax dollars go. Right straight to Dillard's, JC Penney.
Now that probably wasn't needed, but I call it the way I see it.
On the other hand, I have to agree with Ridge Runner.
"What does our country have to do with the rest of the world? Why do we fret when other countries are having disasters, or fighting each other? I'm sorry, but.. oh well." That's how many of us think. I have to admit, I've thought the same, but we are the USA. We come to rescue others, when they are in need. I'm not gonna jabber on, because Ridge Runner nailed it. We do come to the world's rescue. That's what makes our country, the best in the world.

[Roadhog]

It was my point as well, that I am always proud as an American to know we can come to the aide of human suffering, no matter what the politics or location. Being Haiti is a close neighbor, it's also in our best interest to try and help them succeed if possible.

I was more wrapped up in the why this aide doesn't work for them as well as here at home. Our problems are the same, as the problems of these rat infested Nations we always have to go save. The problems are from the top down in leadership.

Most all these countries are governed from the top down. The U.S.A. use to always be governed from the bottom up. That has changed, and now we are in great peril.

This may be the last years we Americans will be able to extend a helping hand. Our days of saving the world, Nation building, and caring about anything beyond our own borders is about over. We'll see anyway within the next couple years or so. So much right now is about to come crashing down, and it's amazing how well we are able to look the other way, and pretend if we don't see it...then it doesn't exist.

[golfhobo]

CAUTION: This response NOT short enough for Windwalker's attention span!

This is my rant about Haiti.

Anyone esle feel this way??

Sadly, as most of the posts here (except Ridge's) show, most here apparently DO.

A week or so after the earthquake, I came here and was amazed that STILL there had been no thread or post about it! I did a search, and came up with ONLY my own post mentioning my Dad's involvement in a mission there on the "2010 predictions" thread. I couldn't believe it. Not a SINGLE member of CAD even wanted to mention it? I, personally, held off for fear of being accused of "bragging" about what my Dad was doing... and because I just wanted to see how long it would take before anyone here gave it a thought, and whether the tone would be what I expected. I was not surprised.

Now we are bringing these Haiti people to our country to use our Hospitals.

Yes. And I hope that if you are ever in a foreign country and a disaster strikes, someone will take you to THEIR hospital to save you (or your future child's) life. Ever see the show MASH? Even during wartime, our country (and others') have taken in even the ENEMY to try to save lives. It is one of the FEW redeeming qualities of humans.

But an American cant use the hospital if he doesn't have Insurance.

Not true, of course. The uninsured here do it ALL the time.... and at a greater expense to the taxpayer than if we subsidized an insurance policy for them. This is ONE reason why healthcare will bankrupt our government if we don't reform it.

Plus all the millions we gave them.

About 100 million so far pledged by our government on behalf of the taxpayers. A mere drop in the bucket compared to what Dubya promised the Iraqis to rebuild the infrastructure and society that WE destroyed by conducting our little war against terrorism in THEIR backyard. An amount SO insignificant that an equal amount was raised through charitable giving within the first week by citizens of this great country.

I just don't ****ing get it!!!! Why cant we take care of our own first.

Well, when it comes to disaster aid, our government has not been SHY about helping OUR OWN. But, as your question pertains to why we can't help our own UNINSURED citizens get healthcare? Simple answer: The party of NO.

America, as Ridge said, will ALWAYS come to the aid of others when disaster strikes. If that poses a problem for you due to your belief in the inequity of our OWN "status quo" healthcare industry / policies.... then, you must be in favor of "change." The only team offering that change is Obama and the Dems.

I'm not saying that the GOP has not presented some good ideas at long last. But, where were those ideas since the time they killed HillaryCare when they took over congress mid-Clinton administration? 12 years with no relief, and suddenly.... when they see the writing on the wall.... they have all these IDEAS to counter Obamacare? "Disingenuous" is the BEST word I can use to describe their "efforts."

Hoggie said:

But we now can plainly see, the government designs the programs to fail, so they can ask for more and more tax dollars, power and control.

Better loosen that 5 cent tinfoil hat there Hoggie! It's cutting off the oxygen to your brain.

Bikerboy said:

Giving them money is like feeding wild animals, they just keep breeding and coming back for more, it will never end!

This is funny. Almost verbatim from some congressman who said this a day or two ago, and has now had to apologize for it! Proof of what I've been saying.... that so MANY here (and elsewhere) are just repeating the B.S. they are hearing from FOXNews and other agitators.

No, really! The ORIGINAL form of this racial epithet contains NO mention of wild animals. It just mentions the HUMANS in our country who live off welfare and continue to "breed" more of the same. I've NEVER heard the alliteration to "wild animals" until just this last week. So this, again, is just a VERBATIM recitation of the propaganda being spewed by the likes of Michelle Bachman, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. At least I can't accuse the Conservatives of not being "transparent."

Fredog said:

how much did they help us after our last disaster?

Gee Fredog.... how much COULD they have helped? However, are you aware of their significant contribution to the Louisianna Purchase?

Malaki said:

As for the drug abusing welfare recipients, West Virginia is working on passing a law requiring drug testing on ALL persons receiving public assistance. I hope this bill passes as it's got the most common-sense approach to the problem.

I absolutely agree with you on this! If WE truckers have to keep our chit clean, and the military and government employees (with security clearances) have to do the same.... then, I am ALL FOR mandating a drug free requirement to qualify for government assistance! Just like I don't believe taxpayers who are against abortion should have to PAY for abortions.... those against drug abuse (most of us, I would hope) should not have to subsidize such activity.

Ridgerunner said:

Being the best, being number one, being the leader is a great burden and we bear it knowing that somewhere, someone will try to find fault with what or how we did it.

And the great shame of our political system is that those faultfinders are most often legislators and representatives of our OWN people. Not to mention members of the media, and apparently our own selves.

OTG said:

Everytime WE have a hurricane...doesn't matter where it hits the USA....Haiti has its hands extended expecting a share of any disaster money!!

Can't say as I've done any research to counter this opinion. But, I sure would like to see some reference cited to prove it.

In closing MY rant on this subject (for now) I'd just like to relay one thing my father noticed while over there. Nothing new.... we've heard it on CNN. But, everytime an aftershock hit, the people would run out of whatever building they were in because they feared more death and destruction. And IMMEDIATELY upon realizing they were STILL alive, they would break out into songs of praise to God for his benevolence and deliverance. No cussing him. No complaining. Just worship and praise.

For citizens of OUR country, who claim to be incensed by the lack of morality and godliness in our society.... who BOAST of their faith and adoration of the God they claim was the foundation of our country.... to exhibit the level of distrust, disgust and disaffection for the highly religious and moral people of Haiti... in their time of need... well, it just sickens me. And proves everything I know to be true about a certain 'segment' of our society that I liken to the Pharisees of old.

[Of course, I'm not referring to anyone here on CAD! Probably just talking about them "teabaggers!"]

[Mr. Ford95]

I dislike that we're helping another country when ours isn't looking too good itself internally but at least the Haitians will appreciate the aid we are giving them and that's what matters. Helping most folks in this country is a joke anymore, they don't appreciate it or say thank you. The Haitians will remember this and if the table is ever turned one could only hope they'd return the favor. I can understand them not helping us with our diasters, they are a 3rd world country that doesn't have any money to offer.

[Roadhog]

Screw you Hobo.

You judge me brainless, over a thumbnail personal opinion, by assuming you know my reasoning? Some friend you are for not asking me how I come to such a conclusion. I was streamlining my thoughts to keep on the topic, and I did not mindlessly quote some drivel I overheard.

BTW... I thanked you for your outreach of the Haiti aide and your Dad's involvement, and the post you refer to was in my thread. You are not the only one who has genuine charity in your heart. Again you take the opportunity to put down the Christian faith, but you are the one who comes across as the hypocritical self-righteous bastard. If you have such an important message to offer...start your own thread.

I'm flagging your post as hateful..... (personal edit> backing off last part of this sentence)

BTW...what you said about Windy was out of line.... CAUTION: This response NOT short enough for Windwalker's attention span!
(I want to be fair...is this some sort of ongoing jab between you two?)

[golfhobo]

Roadhog said:

Screw you Hobo.

Sorry, you're not my type.

You judge me brainless, over a thumbnail personal opinion, by assuming you know my reasoning?

Um.... NO! I jokingly suggested that you loosen your tinfoil hat.... i.e: rethink your statement that it's all a government CONSPIRACY to grab power by purposely legislating FAILURE! I purposely avoided any response to your ever-increasingly inflammatory rhetoric such as:

We have over bloated welfare programs with millions of lazy ignorant drug addict sperm donor criminals who do nothing but breed more of the same scum who suck off the taxpayer their entire worthless POS lives.

I was once married to an Hispanic woman whose SISTER was someone that might fit that definition. I despised the situation. I was embarrassed to have it in "my" family. But, I NEVER spoke so hatefully about her.

I've had hard times myself, and though never that low, I guess I feel that "but for the grace of god there go I." I guess I'm just not as "superior" as you are.

In fact, based on your description as highlighted above, I can't tell if you are talking about the lower class "negroes" (who actually make up less than half the total welfare population... making "white trash" the majority of the problem,) or if you are referring to the POLITICIANS in congress.

And, for the record.... I consider you one of the most intelligent people I have ever known. And I will maintain that belief AND my friendly feelings towards you regardless of any "epiphany" you may have about me, or any change in YOUR opinions of me. You wouldn't be the FIRST to show true colors when I stopped acquiescing to YOUR opinions, and started stating my OWN.

Some friend you are for not asking me how I come to such a conclusion. I was streamlining my thoughts to keep on the topic, and I did not mindlessly quote some drivel I overheard.

I made NO REFERENCE to you about mindlessly quoting drivel from FOXNews. But, if you want to talk about "friendship" let's talk about who threw WHOM "under the bus" lately.

BTW... I thanked you for your outreach of the Haiti aide and your Dad's involvement, and the post you refer to was in my thread. You are not the only one who has genuine charity in your heart.

Yes, you DID.... and no, I'm NOT. And yes, it was YOUR thread. I didn't mean to hijack it. I just wanted to "throw out" some mention of this terrible disaster to see who would respond. YOU were the only one who did! You think I don't NOTICE such things?

Again you take the opportunity to put down the Christian faith, but you are the one who comes across as the hypocritical self-righteous bastard.

I think you misread me, Hoggie. Or misunderstand my admonitions to those "of faith"..... as Jesus often did. As I've said before, perhaps I've learned too well the skills of "stepping on toes" that my father has perfected over the years. Jesus was never afraid to chastise those who thought themselves "righteous" under the old Jewish Law. NOT because he didn't LOVE them, but because he needed to make them THINK.

I suppose I have no RIGHT to do so. EXCEPT for the fact that I felt the "calling" so many years ago. Of course, I rejected it because I didn't feel "worthy." I am not PIOUS enough to be a spokesperson for God. So WHY does he invade my thoughts and dictate poetry of a religious nature? Why does he give me a voice that can ONLY sing songs of praise? WHY does he give me biting words to "convict" people on the internet who have become comfortable in their "religious" ways?

Why do "I" suffer for my beliefs that we, as a people, are not doing ENOUGH to be the "Samaritan?" Or to suffer the children to come unto him? Why am "I" ridiculed for believing that ALL we have is given through grace from God, and should be shared with those who have naught?

I don't even KNOW if I can "claim" to be a Christian. But, I know that the definition is "One who is Christ-like." I have tried all my life to BE such a person. And YOU DO NOT STAND IN JUDGEMENT OF ME.

If you have such an important message to offer...start your own thread.

"I" do not come to CAD to offer "messages." I doubt anyone would READ such a thread. I don't even have a good "testimony" to offer. But, what I HAVE is better than some of what I've read here lately!

I'm flagging your post as hateful, and my personal opinion of you has sunk to the lowest possible level I have ever regarded a fellow CAD.

That hurts. And my heart breaks. But, I believe I am right, and that I speak with words inspired from "above." So, if I must suffer the slings and arrows.... so be it.

BTW...what you said about Windy was real low.... CAUTION: This response NOT short enough for Windwalker's attention span!

LOL!!! Apparently, you haven't been reading our posts. Windy KNOWS I am just razzing him! YOU have lost your sense of humor!

[jonp]

How do I feel about Haiti? I don't.

[golfhobo]

How do I feel about Haiti? I don't.

Wow! So you wouldn't mind if the rest of the world felt the same about US after 9/11?

It is no wonder that we, as a country, are so hated around the world. WE have it all. WE have the good life.... no one else should have it. WE are all that this EARTH is all about. I'm glad you enlightened me.

[golfhobo]

I'm flagging your post as hateful..... (personal edit> backing off last part of this sentence)

BTW...what you said about Windy was out of line.... CAUTION: This response NOT short enough for Windwalker's attention span!
(I want to be fair...is this some sort of ongoing jab between you two?)

Thank you. And, yes.... it is an ongoing joke. Windy (how apropos) complains about my posts being too long for him to read, yet he reads them and responds. (usually with even longer posts.) And there was some mention of him having a bladder problem as far as sitting long enough to read my posts. When I refer to his "attention span," I am joking about his ability to hold his bladder through my "windy" posts. And this "joking" has been going on for SOME time.

I am trying my best, Hoggie, to control my biting wit when responding to the FEW posts that I choose to. Under penalty of death from Twilight, and ever-increasing condemnation from YOU, I am doing my best to leave any personal insults (which were NEVER meant, but sometimes reactionary) out of my responses and discussions.

In short, I am not free to be me, which explains my diminished participation lately. And now, it seems, even THAT is not enough. Freedom of Speech has become as rare and "endangered" here as it EVER was in any "socialist" or "totalitarian" society.

Timberwolf and a few others who, like me, chose to present a differing opinion have been "run off" NOT by any misconduct by the moderators.... but, by an overwhelming wave of alienation by the Conservative "faithfull."

To the detriment of CAD. IMHO.

And, WHO cares.... but me?

[jonp]

Wow! So you wouldn't mind if the rest of the world felt the same about US after 9/11?

It is no wonder that we, as a country, are so hated around the world. WE have it all. WE have the good life.... no one else should have it. WE are all that this EARTH is all about. I'm glad you enlightened me.

No I don't care and the rest of the world pretty much does not give a fig about the US except as an endless spigot of aid. Haiti is a s**thole. Always has been and always will be. Thank you France for leaving it like that. The US has pored over $3 Billion into that stinkhole and its still the worst country in the western hemisphere.

The USA is the greatest country on the face of the planet because we made it like that. Its not our obligation to prop up or send our money to other countries that can't fix themselves. The American People have stepped up like they always do and have thrown tens of millions of donations in that direction. Let me keep my dwindling tax dollars here at home to help myself. At a time when the messiah has proposed the largest budget with the largest deficit in the history of the world we are broke. We have no money. Borrowing from China to send it to Haiti is not only fiscally irresponsible its downright stupid.

[freebirdrfd]

I almost fell asleep trying to read all of Hobo's post. :yawn: Anyhow, this country cant take care of our own problems but yet we run to save everybody else. Bulls**t !!!!!!!!!!!! We have homeless, starving families and veterans in our own country that we don't take care of. We are trillions of dollars in dept but we just give money away? Bulls**t.... We can't keep out own borders and streets safe but we are gonna save the rest of the world? Bulls**t !!!!!!! Why can't we take care of our own country and our own people first? Most of the countries that we help couldn't care less about us until they want a hand out. I am so pissed about what is happening with our country right now. America need to come FIRST.

[repete]

I almost fell asleep trying to read all of Hobo's post. :yawn: Anyhow, this country cant take care of our own problems but yet we run to save everybody else. Bulls**t !!!!!!!!!!!! We have homeless, starving families and veterans in our own country that we don't take care of. We are trillions of dollars in dept but we just give money away? Bulls**t.... We can't keep out own borders and streets safe but we are gonna save the rest of the world? Bulls**t !!!!!!! Why can't we take care of our own country and our own people first? Most of the countries that we help couldn't care less about us until they want a hand out. I am so pissed about what is happening with our country right now. America need to come FIRST.

I feel the same way but still made a donation and will probable give more. What I don't understand is way we apparently were supposed to get on here and mention the fact that we gave to Haiti, Why? I don't remember having to declare any donations for Katrina or the tsunami so Hobo why this and why now?