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[golfhobo]

Windwalker said:

Bladder control indeed.

So, let me tell you a few things about you. NO, this is not an attack on you, but things you miss when you look in a mirror.

Preach ON, Brother! It is always good to know how others see us, especially when we feel secure in the fact that it is not an attack. Perhaps, when you are done with me, you'll teach this skill to Twilight.

You have a very real problem admitting you are wrong.

Wow, you win the prize! I've never HEARD that before!

It's as if you chose a compass heading, and no matter what that may take you through, it's the right direction. Even if it means you are going to walk through a lava flow from a volcano, it's still you're heading.

You proabably don't realize how right you are! I spent a year surveying land for oil exploration just at the time I got married. I walked an average of 15 miles a day, every day, in a straight line no matter WHAT was in front of me. Sometimes it was a mountain. Sometimes a swamp or a river or a cornfield. Had to fight a few bulls for the "right of way" through their pasture. I could look 10 miles ahead to a "niche" in a mountain range and know that I would be there in a day or two, and I could tell you what highway was cut through that mountain at that point.

But, my employer could always count on the fact that I would GET there, and that I would be in the RIGHT place when I did! Let's start a little test here... is that (1) Conservative, (2) Centrist, or (3) Liberal?

Remember being in TX on I-40 on Dec 19, a few years ago? A Swift driver lost control on the ice and rolled it over. You said it was "PUCKERING", and there were a number of trucks off the road that day. Rolled, jackknifed, and simply couldn't stay on the ice.

Of course I remember it. Just posted something about it on the DAC forum.

You talked about "jigging the wheel". That is a practice that I KNOW to be counter to safety in bad winter weather, and especially on ice. As I recall, you were just starting out driving a jointed vehicle, and in spite of the years of experience I already had, you insisted you were right.

Yep. I remember saying that. I still do it today regardless of what YOU think is safe. I did it YESTERDAY when it was getting dark and the road was black and shiny. I wanted to know if it was ICE or the reflection of salt brine. I jigged the wheel several times.... with double PUPS! One time, the truck responded to my jiggle and I knew it was brine reflection. Another time, the truck reacted sluggishly, and I knew it was frozen condensation on a northern slope. As a result of my UNDERSTANDING of road conditions and my JIGGING of the wheel to test it, I was FULLY aware of the road conditions at ALL times yesterday and I slowed down when needed, and maintained the speed limit when I knew it was safe. You have any MORE questions about this practice?

You said you locked in the differentials for more traction. Again, you were wrong. It does not lock the axle shafts in a rear-end together, but locks the differential between the rears.

Whatever you say, boss.... but, I know that without the lockin, I was sliding at 35 mph, and with the lockin, I had traction on the section of road I WAS ON (which was not the same as you were on) at 45 mph. This allowed me to stay in the left lane and pass right by 90% of the trucks on the road that day. I never ONCE felt any real loss of control, and if I did.... I slowed down a bit and regained control. The OTHER trucks either didn't HAVE the control, or were driven by wusses! OR were in the ditch!

Read my post in the DAC forum. I didn't really WANT to do it, but if I HAD to do it.... I did it with maximum control, a COMFORTABLE feeling, and I got to the finish line..... and yes.... I got there FIRST, though that was NOT my objective. Any more questions?

Yet, you kept on insisting yours was different than any other truck in the US. (That option is available in Canada, and is often used in their northern lattitudes, but seldom, if ever, used in the States. Still, you insisted. You were right and everyone else was wrong.

HERE is where your memory fails you. I don't remember insisting ANY SUCH THING! I'm pretty sure that I knew then, and still believe, that there are two different systems. I don't even really understand the differences between them. All I know.... and all I STATED was that MY system allowed me to drive that speed and lock or unlock "on the fly" at those low speeds, as long as my wheels weren't spinning when I made the change.

Perhaps, you are confused with the time I argued with RockyMtnPro about using the trolley bar to straighten out the trailer or to assist in a quick stop on icy roads. If so, I wish you'd been with me the two times I did exactly that to avoid a trailer collision with slower truck that I was passing on an icy curve. Note that I am still here to tell the story.

Or, how about the time a 4-wheeler cut you off. You cranked the wheel and got hung up on a railroad track. You most certainly were fortunate that you were able to lock in the differentials and drag it off.

Yes, I remember that one, too! What amazes me is that you have either memorized or catalogued these events for JUST this day! Too bad that your attempt to discredit me fails after all this time.

I was making a right turn over a set of tracks with some elevation difference. A car wouldn't wait for me to make a wide right turn and made me turn a bit tighter than I wanted to. The landing gear got caught up, but only by a little bit. I was in no hurry, so I waited for the car to cross. When they did, I turned my steer wheels to the left to "elongate" the angle of attack on the rails. It almost worked, but now my main drivers were off the ground and spinning. I heard the horn of the approaching train. I had MORE than one option (I think) but I chose the one that made the most sense. Since my REAR drives were contacting the pavement, I quickly locked in my axles and shifted the DRIVE momentum to the drives that were "grounded." In two seconds flat, I was off the grade and completing a WIDE turn to get my tractor onto the downslope. AT that point, I CALMLY drove my rig off the tracks before the train (moving at a slow speed) arrived. Any more questions?

I believe I was the first one to inform you that getting stuck on a railroad track is a very serious violation.

No, I learned that in truck driving school.

I believe you ended up by saying it was not a legal grade for a crossing. If trucks can not make that crossing, you had no business being there.

You "believe" or "remember" wrong. I NEVER said any such thing. There are signs for blocks in both directions directing trucks to that VERY crossing to get to the MANY industries on that side of the tracks. Not ONLY did I have every right to BE there, but I had crossed there several times before, and I made a point of noticing the grade and layout of that crossing. I am ALWAYS prepared if possible! Any MORE questions?

If trucks cross there on a regular basis, then it falls on you that you got stuck there. Legal grade or not, it still falls on the driver. But, it was not your fault, and the blame was on someone else. You did not make a mistake.

Trucks, (including mine) did cross there regularly. MOST times, the 4wheelers yield as the sign tells them to do. THIS time, they didn't and I was already in my turn. But, the point of that particular story was not WHOSE fault it was. It was to tell newer drivers what they MIGHT could do to get out of such a situation. Now, I am feeling sorry that I shared my knowledge on this board.

I could be stretching things here a bit, but I would suspect that your marriage fell apart because of that also. You are going to find someone else to blame for your mistakes, and you are never wrong. My guess would be that she had enough of it from you. But, that was not your fault either. You weren't wrong.

Yes, you ARE stretching a bit, and broaching a subject that you have NO idea about. But, hey.... I understand your "drift." You want to play amateur psychologist, and you would be right in any other case. But, not mine. If you are that curious about the demise of my marriage, I will gladly bore you to death with it some day. But, amazingly.... that was NOT MY FAULT.... but, you are not so far wrong in believeing that I can usually find fault with someone else and not me. Sucks that it happens that way... but I try REAL hard not to let things BE my fault.

So, now, I'm telling you. While, "to error is human", to admit it is not part of HOBO'S policy. IT'S OKAY TO ADMIT A MISTAKE. I do it all the time. You have no idea how many times I've thought I was wrong.

I HATE to make this point, Windy.... but, the correct phrase is: "To ERR is human." ERR is a verb. Error is a noun. One MAKES an "error." (not ME.... but others) but in making an error, one ERRS.

And, again you are correct. Admitting an error is NOT "policy" for me. Perhaps, because it is foreign. When I DO err.... I TRY to admit it... but I don't have enough practice.

And you are once again right. You DO "do it all the time" and I couldn't possibly have any idea how often you have thought you were wrong.



This was fun! We should do it again soon!

Please forgive me, Windy! You just made that too easy! I'm really NOT the azzhole I play on the Internet!

[Windwalker]

And, again you are correct. Admitting an error is NOT "policy" for me. Perhaps, because it is foreign. When I DO err.... I TRY to admit it... but I don't have enough practice.

BINGO!!!! That was the point of my whole post.
And, we may get to do it again. When my Social Security starts next month,
I expect to have much more time to devote to this board.
Hope you have a good and safe New Year...
I'll be watching...

[Twilight Flyer]

Oh joy…what started out as a rather short post has evolved into a Hoboesque book. But since you post them all the time, Hobo, then you can take the few minutes to read this one. It may be the last one you ever get a chance to respond to on CAD.

That said, here we go:

If I thought for one moment, Twilight, that there was any sincerity in these remarks, I might be inclined to respond IN KIND with some form of explanation.

It was completely sincere. Not hard to believe that a liberal in full-defense mode would have a hard time understanding the entreaty. But no worries, I shall not make that mistake again. This post, as long as it has become, will be my last word on the matter. Whether I or any other mod decides to push the little red button on you will be entirely up to how you respond here. But understand that the mod squad is in agreement here in that you, in your continuing attempts to defend the indefensible, namely your boy in Washington, are acting like a turd in the punch bowl and we’re handing out our last warning on the matter.

After all, I have always considered you to be intelligent, and at ONE TIME a "fair" moderator. Things certainly HAVE changed around here lately, at it wasn't JUST me!

My moderating has not changed or wavered in any way in the years and years I’ve been doing it for not only this board, but others as well. And trust me when I say that in all the time I’ve been in some kind of moderating position, I’ve seen every personality under the sun and I fully understand each and every one and what they mean to the dynamics of a message board. You’re no different.

In the end, you’re simply upset at me because I had the gall and audacity to step out of my moderator role and question your messiah, to disavow any acknowledgement of him as my president (he’s not), and to generally point out what a world class schitbag he is. It’s kind of funny that when you and your kind were bagging on Bush when he was in office, I actually didn’t have any issues with you personally, although I thought you were too caught up in your hate to see clearly at what you were going to be getting in this “change” farce that your boy played you for.

But really, back then you did basically the same thing against Bush that I’m doing against your president. And that’s OK…we’re all entitled to our opinions regarding government, both past and present, as well as where someone’s liberal or conservative beliefs fall in line with our own. But now, your messiah is in power and all of his failures land squarely on YOUR shoulders. And that makes you bitter and cynical. Can’t say I blame you – your boy has done more to destroy this country in the year he’s been in office than every other president in our history, put together. And we haven’t even seen him scratch the surface of what he is capable of doing. And when we point out his epic failures, you can’t help but take ownership of it.

And it shows. Mr. Hyde has taken over.

As has been pointed out to you several times in this post (as well as personally admitted to by you)…you do not have the ability to admit when you are wrong, to back away from the precipice, and rethink your current direction. No, it’s “full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!” And that chit don’t fly for very long. No one is demanding that you change your beliefs and re-evaluate your support of this thing in the White House, although that would certainly be the smart thing for anyone to do in light of what their boy has destroyed so far. But whether you do or not is up to you – it’s your decision all the way and none of us are taking that away from you. However, what you have been asked to do here in CAD is to tone down your rhetoric and drop the personal attacks on everyone that doesn’t walk lockstep in time with you.

As of this moment, you haven’t done it; haven’t even acknowledged that you’re acting like a world-class d!ck to everyone, whether you know it or admit it or not. And there’s no getting around that. It’s been happening with more and more frequency and the time has come to step in and end it, one way or another. You know, on a personal level, if I was even the least bit personally bothered by a bunch of faceless words on a message board, you would have been banned a long time ago Hobo. Whether I like you or not (there was a time that I did and whether I do again at some time is not only up to you, but truthfully should NOT matter a hill of beans to you), is irrelevant to the discussion.

Of interest right now is your blatant “attack everyone” and “anti-mod” stance and the administration of this board has been far more than tolerant. I personally don't care if you don't like me and your shots at me amount to zero. So if you get off on that, more power to you. "It don't make me no never mind."

But I'll point you to the lessons of the past. Steve Booth tracked in the same direction as you are right now and he is no longer here. Big Diesel did, too, and he's also no longer here. Both of them had a problem with attacking other members and then attacking the mods when the mods did not fall in line with them. You're in the exact same boat, though your arena of choice is politics instead of own authority as with Steve and O/O's as with Big D. But your tactics are exactly the same. And we're more than done here.

So here’s where the line is drawn in the sand. If I were you, I would reread Hog’s post, particularly this part, and really take it to heart:

If I were still a mod on CAD, and have to put up with the complaints, and keep repeting myself to a thick headed member who continually insults someone, while attempting (however lame) to disguise it as something else, I wouldn't be as tolerant, as the rest of the staff. Maybe I would reign in some members here through private conversation, which was my style, but I find no fault in our moderator staff, and think you've been allowed allot of consideration. No one wants to ban you, because the Dr. Jekyll part of you is very likeable, helpful, and contributes allot to the site.

Twilight and I often get a chuckle over how much we think alike. Our only disharmony has been in regards to you or Rev vassago. This staff is openly telling you to wise up or leave before you find yourself banned again. You need to reconcile this with yourself. I do still stick up for you, but I do not agree with your opinions of how you are now being treated.

Hog absolutely nails it dead on and I have highlighted the more prevalent points. I absolutely agree with it and even more so with the highlighted parts, regardless of your own beliefs.

Accept it, change it, and we all move on and can continue to be one big happily dysfunctional family. Or continue to play the victim card and find your name in bright red letters on a permanent basis. The ban hanging over your head right now is a perma-ban, no 10-day time out crap. It ends here. And amazingly, the choice still remains with you. We’ve bent over backwards to give you the chance to remain a part of this board. But you’ve run out of time and the ice has broken.

You want to stay on? Great. You backtrack on your current crap and go back to the Hobo of old and you can stay. The dignified thing for you to do would be to issue a board-wide apology from you to everyone else for acting like an extremely disruptive butthead to anyone that doesn't agree with you. If you want to leave me out of that apology, I'm good with that. Like I said, I don't give a rat's fart in a high wind what you (or anyone else for that matter) thinks of me. I’ve got a great life, a really thick skin, and I’m a long time veteran of board wars and politics. I’m here because I want to be, not because I have to be. If IB ever decides to part ways with me, I’m good with that, too. But right now, I am still one of the board administrators and while I am, I will see that this board is run as well as possible under what IB expects. If that doesn’t jive with you, perhaps you should get in contact with IB and see about getting a job, so you can dictate board policy. Until then, it’s time to walk the line and shuck off Mr. Hyde.

So it’s that…or you can continue to hold fast to your 'rhetoric' and die a matyr to your board cause.

It’s as simple as that. Again, it makes no difference to me personally what you decide. But at this moment, you still have that ability to actually decide your own fate. In short order, that opportunity will close and WE will decide for you.

[golfhobo]

Twilight:

I got your PM. Apparently, I can't reply because my box is full. Can you override to receive my response as you did to send to me? If not... I have heard you reference getting emails, but I can't find your email address like we could under the old system. Am I missing it somewhere? I don't want to post my response on the open board. If you trust me not to spam your email, could you send me one so I can respond? My email address has been posted before, so I don't mind giving it out again. Cat3ears AT aol DOT com.

Never mind? I think I found the way to send it.

[golfhobo]

Twilight Flyer said:

Oh joy…what started out as a rather short post has evolved into a Hoboesque book.

Although I appreciate having my posting style elevated to a "colloquialism," I note your response has begun with yet another insult to me.

But since you post them all the time, Hobo, then you can take the few minutes to read this one.

Another "veiled" insult, but factual. As always, I have re-read it many times before responding. [and sent you an email to which I have received no response.]

It may be the last one you ever get a chance to respond to on CAD.

I sincerely hope not. I consider CAD my home, and I have many friends here (and many who have left.) It has never BEEN my intention to offend the members here, and to the extent that I HAVE.... I apologize.

It was completely sincere.

That was all I was looking for. Unfortunately, you had to follow it up with another insult.

Not hard to believe that a liberal in full-defense mode would have a hard time understanding the entreaty.

Do you not see that you are doing the same thing you accuse ME of?

But understand that the mod squad is in agreement here in that you, in your continuing attempts to defend the indefensible, namely your boy in Washington, are acting like a turd in the punch bowl and we’re handing out our last warning on the matter.

Indefensible? You may not like him or his policies, but he is the POTUS. How is it that YOU are smart enough to know that there is NO defense for him or his policies? Do you know something that the majority of American voters don't know?

Murder is indefensible. Child abuse is indefensible. But, last I checked.... a difference in political opinion or policy is not by definition "indefensible." People of higher pay grades than you or I have been "defending" party policies for 200 years in America.

My moderating has not changed or wavered in any way in the years and years I’ve been doing it for not only this board, but others as well.

I have no disagreement with that in general. It was not your moderating that I referred to when I said "things have certainly changed here." I was referring to the overall tenor of the posts. When I joined, Bush/conservatives were in power. Only a few of us voiced dissent. The majority were happy and somewhat complacent. NOW.... 95% of the membership is angry about losing, and nearly EVERY thread turns into an OBAMA bashing / Liberal bashing festival of HATE towards the Liberals and Democrats... which as I said.... you seem to either join or condone. Sorry.... just a fact.

In the end, you’re simply upset at me because I had the gall and audacity to step out of my moderator role and question your messiah, to disavow any acknowledgement of him as my president (he’s not), and to generally point out what a world class schitbag he is.

No.... I'm upset because you ignored your role as a moderator and condoned, joined and defended such opinions, and berated those of us who disagreed with you. EVERY attempt to defend, debate or discuss an opinion other than the Conservative one was met with INSULTING language, disparaging remarks about the president and our party, and insinuations that we were all anti-American Socialists. Just LOOK at some of the remarks made about Timberwolf!

In fact.... we didn't even HAVE to say anything to be the brunt of such insults! You weren't so concerned about THAT segment of the membership, were you?

It’s kind of funny that when you and your kind were bagging on Bush when he was in office, I actually didn’t have any issues with you personally, although I thought you were too caught up in your hate to see clearly at what you were going to be getting in this “change” farce that your boy played you for.

But really, back then you did basically the same thing against Bush that I’m doing against your president. And that’s OK…we’re all entitled to our opinions regarding government, both past and present, as well as where someone’s liberal or conservative beliefs fall in line with our own.

Oh.... but it's NOT "okay" now is it? I admit that I often pointed out FACTUAL failures in the Bush administration. MANY conservatives here agreed with me at times. But, I was one of only a few voices against the "norm" here on the board. Now, the "norm" is a constant barrage against Obama, and you expect me to take it lying down. And when I don't.... you tag me as personna nongrata.

But now, your messiah is in power and all of his failures land squarely on YOUR shoulders.

HOW is that? I didn't even vote! How is it on MY shoulders? WHAT failures do you mean? I have been trying to give HIM the same "benefit of the doubt" that I gave Dubya for the first year or two! [even tho I didn't agree with the election.]

And that makes you bitter and cynical.

Here, you are WAY OFF BASE! I am not bitter or cynical. I am ANGRY about the conservative media blitz that has branded him with names, policies and intentions that he has not exhibited. I am angry about the way they LIE about him and his policies to convince their base that he is against everything America stands for! They PRAISE his "war policies" while demonizing his social policies.

Can’t say I blame you – your boy has done more to destroy this country in the year he’s been in office than every other president in our history, put together.

I would LOVE to see some FACTS put behind that rhetoric!

And we haven’t even seen him scratch the surface of what he is capable of doing. And when we point out his epic failures, you can’t help but take ownership of it.

Not even worth trying to respond.

And it shows. Mr. Hyde has taken over.

And for THAT.... I apologize! I have always thought I could present a valid argument to most comments. However, the sheer MULTITUDE of crap rolling off the tongues of some here has overwhelmed my sense of propriety, and I have probably lashed out with a sharp tongue! It is not the posters here that my anger is focused on.... but, the daily onslaught of lies and misinformation coming from the talking heads of the conservative party! In self-defense, I have traded a sniper's rifle for an assault rifle. And again.... for THAT.... I apologize to anyone who got in the line of fire.

But, have you noticed how much of your post so far, though intended to be a "warning" to me, has degenerated into yet MORE anti-Obama, anti-Liberal propaganda? You are no more capable of controlling your OWN hatespeach than I am.

As has been pointed out to you several times in this post (as well as personally admitted to by you)…you do not have the ability to admit when you are wrong, to back away from the precipice, and rethink your current direction. No, it’s “full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!”

Wrong again. I have done so in the past... and I am attempting to do so NOW. Funny that that phrase was HONORED when it referred to mariners in the second world war, but is somehow a disability on a message board.

And that chit don’t fly for very long. No one is demanding that you change your beliefs and re-evaluate your support of this thing in the White House, although that would certainly be the smart thing for anyone to do in light of what their boy has destroyed so far.

Still baiting me?

Just WHAT has he destroyed? He saved the auto industry... and most of the money has been paid back. He SAVED the banks... and most of the money has been paid back. The stock market has rebounded, showing investor confidence. JOBS have always been a "lagging" indicator... even under REPUBLICAN recessions (which THIS one WAS!)

But whether you do or not is up to you – it’s your decision all the way and none of us are taking that away from you. However, what you have been asked to do here in CAD is to tone down your rhetoric and drop the personal attacks on everyone that doesn’t walk lockstep in time with you.

Okay... I "GET" that! You can't find a single "attack" in my post so far. Would it be too much for me to ask that the rest of you do the same?

As of this moment, you haven’t done it; haven’t even acknowledged that you’re acting like a world-class d!ck to everyone, whether you know it or admit it or not. And there’s no getting around that. It’s been happening with more and more frequency and the time has come to step in and end it, one way or another.

I don't argue with this. I DO see it in myself (and others.) I can only change my OWN actions, and I leave it to others to look in their OWN mirrors. But... I have more or less HAD my say now, and I will do my best to monitor my posts.... if I get to continue.

You know, on a personal level, if I was even the least bit personally bothered by a bunch of faceless words on a message board, you would have been banned a long time ago Hobo. Whether I like you or not (there was a time that I did and whether I do again at some time is not only up to you, but truthfully should NOT matter a hill of beans to you), is irrelevant to the discussion.

Thank you. The feeling is mutual. Good thing you never made me a mod!

Of interest right now is your blatant “attack everyone” and “anti-mod” stance and the administration of this board has been far more than tolerant. I personally don't care if you don't like me and your shots at me amount to zero. So if you get off on that, more power to you. "It don't make me no never mind."

I apologize for any remarks perceived to disparage the moderation of this board. THAT has not been my main concern lately. If I have any future concerns about how liberals are being bashed without restraint, I will follow procedure and complain to a mod.

And I apologize personally to YOU if I have given you the impression that I in any way disparage your religious beliefs. [that goes for Hoggie, too!]

But I'll point you to the lessons of the past. Steve Booth tracked in the same direction as you are right now and he is no longer here. Big Diesel did, too, and he's also no longer here. Both of them had a problem with attacking other members and then attacking the mods when the mods did not fall in line with them. You're in the exact same boat, though your arena of choice is politics instead of own authority as with Steve and O/O's as with Big D. But your tactics are exactly the same. And we're more than done here.

Though I am a veteran of the BigDiesel wars, I never DID know what transpired concerning Booth. As for moderation, I am on record as asking in a thread certain things to clarify mod policies. You can't say I didn't ask. I understand the need for moderation of this board. My only problem would be with the equality of whose point of views are stifled, and whose are endorsed. Look at the words I highlighted here. And that will be the LAST time I mention it. (one way or the other... )

So here’s where the line is drawn in the sand. If I were you, I would reread Hog’s post, particularly this part, and really take it to heart:

Although I HAVE taken it to heart, rereading it is painful for me.

Hog absolutely nails it dead on and I have highlighted the more prevalent points. I absolutely agree with it and even more so with the highlighted parts, regardless of your own beliefs.

Again, I get your drift, and again I appreciate your intentions. I would like to think this could be a better year for all of us.

Accept it, change it, and we all move on and can continue to be one big happily dysfunctional family.

Well.... you didn't expect me to cowtow without making a few points, did you? My intention here was to show that I "get it," and to promise to try to "moderate" myself according to expectations. Moreover, I will try to repair any relationships I have damaged due to my callous remarks. Sometimes my zealous defense of my party is manifested by biting commentary on those whom I deem to be the offenders. Unfortunately, oftentimes innocent people become collateral damage. This is regretable. I will try to avoid it in the future.

Or continue to play the victim card and find your name in bright red letters on a permanent basis. The ban hanging over your head right now is a perma-ban, no 10-day time out crap. It ends here. And amazingly, the choice still remains with you. We’ve bent over backwards to give you the chance to remain a part of this board. But you’ve run out of time and the ice has broken.

RED is my least favorite color.

You want to stay on? Great. You backtrack on your current crap and go back to the Hobo of old and you can stay. The dignified thing for you to do would be to issue a board-wide apology from you to everyone else for acting like an extremely disruptive butthead to anyone that doesn't agree with you. If you want to leave me out of that apology, I'm good with that. Like I said, I don't give a rat's fart in a high wind what you (or anyone else for that matter) thinks of me. I’ve got a great life, a really thick skin, and I’m a long time veteran of board wars and politics. I’m here because I want to be, not because I have to be. If IB ever decides to part ways with me, I’m good with that, too. But right now, I am still one of the board administrators and while I am, I will see that this board is run as well as possible under what IB expects. If that doesn’t jive with you, perhaps you should get in contact with IB and see about getting a job, so you can dictate board policy. Until then, it’s time to walk the line and shuck off Mr. Hyde.

You getting paid by the word? Just kidding! I've apologized enough for one night. If more is to come, it will be on my own terms.

So it’s that…or you can continue to hold fast to your 'rhetoric' and die a martyr to your board cause.

It’s as simple as that. Again, it makes no difference to me personally what you decide. But at this moment, you still have that ability to actually decide your own fate. In short order, that opportunity will close and WE will decide for you.

Well, regardless of how THIS discussion went, (and I intended it to be friendly,) if my fate is still in my hands.... I choose to stay.

[Twilight Flyer]

Well, regardless of how THIS discussion went, (and I intended it to be friendly,) if my fate is still in my hands.... I choose to stay.

Then so be it.

You know, while I’m certainly against your political leanings, I’m not against your rights to believe it or even say it. However, keep in mind that freedom of speech doesn’t exist on a message board. There are rules and all we’ve been asking is that people adhere to those rules. Nothing more.

Politics and religion are very sticky and highly charged subjects. People, even the most laid back, are going to get riled up when someone challenges their beliefs. The key is in doing it carefully. I don’t want to see people on either side of the political aisle leave a board because of bad feelings, but even more importantly, the undermining of administration simply cannot happen and that’s the ground that we were treading.

Anyway, as far as moderating goes, I’ve kept comments rather tame compared to how I really feel. From your point of view, I know it probably doesn’t seem like that simply because we’re a world apart on what we believe. You made the comment that I was mad about the election and you could not be further from the truth. I wasn’t angry at all because it is beyond high time cleaning up the Republican party; I was, however, very disillusioned at what we were putting in the White House instead. And I am afraid that my fears and concerns are being more than borne out. The next 3 years will tell a lot, but if you believe that taking over the insurance industry, the banking industry, the auto industry and coming soon, the health care industry, amounts to saving them, then you truly are blinded by glitz and the glamour of your boy in power.

It’s been said many times and bears more truth every day. Your president does not want to govern. He wants to rule. And the very fact that he is hell-bent on owning everything through the government, proves that completely.

But I digress. Board-wise, what’s done is done and we shall all move on from here. I’m actually glad this thread went off topic like it did because I believe that is served a purpose. However, with the drama behind us, allow me to steer it back on topic.

It’s going to be 36 degrees tomorrow! In Iowa! In January!

OMG, IT’S GLOBAL WARMING!! WE’RE ALL GOING TO BURST INTO FLAMES AND DIE HORRIBLY! AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!

[Roadhog]

Weather report in the basement...
It'll be 36 degrees fahrenheit in Iowa tomorrow proving The Goracle was right, you Hosers, eh!

Yumpin' Yimmany Yickets by Yolly, that's BBQ weather, eh!

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(what is that in like celcius? I tink that's like really hot eh?)

[Jackrabbit379]

You have to ask yourself one question.
"Do I feel hot?"
If you do, you are contributing to Global Warming.
Well do ya...punk?

[Jackrabbit379]

Apparently, it didn't do any good to have that big conference. It's supposed to be in the 60's this week.
Oh well. Maybe they can get together at another time, and perhaps they can fix it the next time.

[Twilight Flyer]

They could fix everything by deporting the entire government and Al ‘the Internet’ Gore to the PLANET Pluto. Let them discuss global warming there, all they want. With the amount of hot worthless gases they all spew out, in about 6 months, Pluto would be a veritable 76 degree paradise, as well as certainly solving our own imaginary problem.

[Roadhog]

[Jackrabbit379]

Well, Maynard..what took ya so long get back from town?

The sheriff stopped me.
He had some of those government agents with him.
They told me not to ride so hard. Makes the horse hotter.
Said somethin about the horses burning up the atlas here.

They said what? Now that don't make no sense atall.

Somethin about global warming or somethin ernother.

Global warming? What intarnation is that?

I don't know Joe Bob. I aint never hearda such a thing.
Would you believe I passed the morning stage on the way back?

I'll be a suck egg mule.
I'm gonna talk with the sheriff.
I'm gonna see if he can't get this nonsense straightend out.
What do those agent fellers want us to do? Walk all over the country?

[Roadhog]

I guess the subject of Global Warming is so stupid,
we've officially run out of things to say.

[Jackrabbit379]

I guess the subject of Global Warming is so stupid,
we've officially run out of things to say.

Yeah..,
but it's so exciting.





Breaking news...
The leaders are meeting together today..
in a conference to discuss Global Warming.
More to come, as the story unfolds..

[Windwalker]

I guess the subject of Global Warming is so stupid,
we've officially run out of things to say.

Yeah, but it kept on going for a full 6 pages. Of course, a few "books" in there helped to stretch it out....

[Double L]

Y'all need a job or a hobby.

[Windwalker]

Y'all need a job or a hobby.

Had a job. Gave it up... Or will very soon.

Heh, heh, heh, heh,...

Didn't you hear? I'm RETIRED. My first social security check hits the bank on Feb 10th. From now on, all I have to do is "tinker" with things. And, spend much more time on CAD.

[Double L]

Had a job. Gave it up... Or will very soon.

Heh, heh, heh, heh,...

Didn't you hear? I'm RETIRED. My first social security check hits the bank on Feb 10th. From now on, all I have to do is "tinker" with things. And, spend much more time on CAD.

When you see that first check and all they take out in taxes you'll wish you never left your job.

[Windwalker]

When you see that first check and all they take out in taxes you'll wish you never left your job.

Not really. Started a small engine repair business about a year ago. Will be using social security to supplement the business. That business bloomed last year. A guy brought in a grass trimmer that he'd already spent $168 on, and it still wouldn't rev up. I spent 15 minutes and had it running like a banshee. $15, and he's been the best form of advertising I could ever hope for. He knows a lot of people, and he's been telling EVERYBODY. There's more than I can keep up with now, and the busy season is still coming.