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    ALBANY, N.Y. — New York state wants to crack down on truckers who rely on satellite devices to direct them onto faster but prohibited routes and end up crashing into overpasses that are too low for their rigs.

    Gov. David Paterson on Wednesday proposed penalties including jail time and confiscation of trucks to come down on drivers who use GPS — global positioning systems — to take more hazardous routes and end up striking bridges.

    "To our knowledge, no other state has similar legislation," said Clayton Boyce of the American Trucking Associations, an industry trade group based in Washington.

    "Most trucking companies rely on GPS services that are specifically for trucks and route them away from restricted roads," he said. "Most of our members also use dispatching and fleet management systems that direct and track the vehicles by truck GPS services."

    In New York, a truckers' group called the proposal unfair and unwarranted.

    "We understand that bridge strikes have become an increasing problem for Westchester County and the New York metropolitan area," said Karin Kennett of the New York State Motor Truck Association. Requiring all trucks in the state that are using GPS to buy an enhanced device goes too far, she said

    "It places an unfair and unwarranted financial burden on every law-abiding trucking company doing business anywhere in New York at a time when our state claims to be trying to improve our business climate," Kennett said.

    A safety group said trucks taking restricted routes is a scary fact of life on the nation's highways and parkways and something other states will need to consider as more drivers turn to GPS.

    Gerald Donaldson, senior research director of Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, said GPS adds to the list of electronics that also distract truckers, including radios, cell phones and a computer keyboard to communicate with companies and other drivers.

    "GPS is the heart of it," Donaldson said. "Absolutely ... other states will be looking at Gov. Paterson's issue."

    GPS can direct truckers, many of them carrying hazardous material, to restricted roads with overpass clearances too low for the rigs. Hauling on restricted or residential routes also pounds the life out of roads because the trucks are over weight limits and clog traffic.

    "GPS for some truckers are crucial, and it also is part of a much larger array of electronic devices," he said. "You get paid by the mile, so it's your to your incentive to get as many miles and routes as you can in your tour of duty."

    New York state alone has seen more than 1,400 bridge strikes in the past 15 years, including 46 so far this year in suburban Westchester County, testing many old bridges already in need of repair, said County Executive Andrew J. Spano. One bridge in his county was hit nine times this year.

    "This sort of culture of just following the GPS and almost ignoring the road signs has created this public hazard," Paterson told reporters.

    "Every week we hear of another truck striking a bridge on our parkways," said Spano, standing with Paterson at the bill's announcement.

    "It's only a matter of time before someone is killed or a truck carrying chemicals or explosives hits a bridge," he said.

    The bill would increase penalties for illegally using parkways and require all large commercial trucks to use GPS devices that route them away from restricted roads. It would also stick trucking companies or their insurance carriers with the bill for repairs and cleanup after bridge strikes.

    The bill could hit the Legislature as early as January.

    GPS Causing Truckers to Crash Into Bridges - Auto - FOXNews.com

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    New York state alone has seen more than 1,400 bridge strikes in the past 15 years.
    Yeah but it has only been in the last three or four years when people began to use GPS technology and everyone who does use them already knows not to trust them to do routing. Therefore, what caused all the bridge hits in the prior years before the advent of GPS devices? Not to mention that the use of GPS devices still hasn’t yet become that widespread in the industry, as most drivers still haven't started using the devices yet.

    including 46 so far this year in suburban Westchester County,
    And how many of those drivers that struck bridges this year were actually using GPS devices when they hit the overhead? Maybe four or five at most? Not to mention that any one who ignorantly accepts the excuse that it was the fault of a GPS device instead of driver error is more incompetent than the driver who hit the damn overhead.

    One bridge in his county was hit nine times this year.
    How many of those drivers even had a GPS device in their truck? Zero?

    "This sort of culture of just following the GPS and almost ignoring the road signs has created this public hazard," Paterson told reporters.
    Why don’t you try to document this garbage you loser so I can laugh in your face you ignoramus! Anyone who votes for this ignoramus is a mentally incompetent loon and deserves the insanity they get!

    "Every week we hear of another truck striking a bridge on our parkways," said Spano, standing with Paterson at the bill's announcement.
    What does it have to do with GPS technology? Nothing! Not a damn thing! It’s the blind leading the blind!

    "It's only a matter of time before someone is killed or a truck carrying chemicals or explosives hits a bridge," he said.
    Of course, it is inevitable, but it is not going to be because of GPS technology, instead it is going to be because of gross driver incompetence if and when it does happens. GPS technology is just another tool like a speedometer or fuel gauge and it doesn’t absolve the drivers from abiding by the laws and ensuring beforehand that the routes they drive on are legal for 18-wheelers. Anyone who hits a low overhead or drives down a restricted route road is incompetent and the presence of a GPS device is not anymore responsible for it happening than is a speedometer or fuel gauge.

    The bill would increase penalties for illegally using parkways and require all large commercial trucks to use GPS devices that route them away from restricted roads. It would also stick trucking companies or their insurance carriers with the bill for repairs and cleanup after bridge strikes.
    Of course it would, isn’t that what overreaching leftwing radical Marxist regulators like that incompetent Governor Patterson are always trying to do, constantly trying to overreach and over regulate everything they can into oblivion. This is nothing but liberal politics and government regulatory overreach run amuck! Not to mention that the trucking industry will be forced to raise their rates in order to operate in New York State and inevitably it will be the citizens of New York who ultimately bear the cost of this garbage! If this nonsense passes, I will refuse all loads going into New York State.

    Not to mention that if these idiots did a modicum of research, they would soon find out that there are no GPS devices on the planet that does truck routing good enough to be relied upon. Thus requiring truck drivers to use so-called truck specific GPS devices that do truck routing will just have the inevitable effect of outlawing all GPS devices in trucks, even though GPS technology when used properly is a very valuable time saving and excellent navigation tool, especially in bad weather. Indeed, I would argue that more drivers would be hitting bridges, taking restricted parkways, and getting into more accidents because inexorably you will have more drivers that are getting lost.

    This a classic example of politicians exploiting and taking advantage of the public’s ignorance in order to pass needless regulations that do far more harm than good!

    Anyway lets take an informal survey…how many of you GPS users are unaware that these devices can’t be relied upon to do truck routing and how many of you GPS users don’t follow road signs when using these devices and instead blindly follow those devices wherever it leads you? Come on don't be bashful!

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    deja voodo?? I could swear there was already a thread on this topic.
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    So...it's a different article and they are about to vote for it. Not to mention that this could lead to the outlawing of all GPS devices in the country if it isn't nipped in the bud and so for I see no one standing up to these leftwing shysters and educating the public. Indeed, these morons are counting on the ignorance of the public to get their bill passed through, but in the long run it will destroy the use of a very useful new technology and it ultimately will be the public that will end up covering the cost for this senseless regulation both in higher cost for goods and services and also because more low overheads will be hit by lost drivers than otherwise!
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    I don't know Hobo, but I just saw this on the news today.
    Paterson is blind in more than one way I think.
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    Hobo must agree with the good governor that GPS devices cause drivers to hit low overheads and to go down parkways, even though the majority of low overhead hits cited by the good governor clearly happened long before the advent of GPS technology and the good governor is obviously exploiting the ignorance and emotions of the masses to pass needless legislation that in the end the citizens will end up paying for as always. In other words, it’s another back door tax and a favorite technique of creative liberal politicians. It doesn’t matter because in the end it will be the ever power hungry state that will end up with more power and gobble up more revenues to fill its insatiable appetite, and us lowly drivers will end up with the shaft and having to operate as if we are still living in the dark ages to make liberals happy.

    Hobo probably also agrees with the no idle rules too! We must save the planet or else global warming will get us.

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    Hobo's right, there was a thread on this just recently.

    Hahaha...I just looked in the archives, only went back 3 pages
    http://www.classadrivers.com/forum/anything-everything/38945-gps-causing-truckers-crash-into-bridges.html

    This is before my time. I just got released from prison lately, and haven't been around.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadhog View Post
    Hobo's right, there was a thread on this just recently.

    Hahaha...I just looked in the archives, only went back 3 pages
    http://www.classadrivers.com/forum/anything-everything/38945-gps-causing-truckers-crash-into-bridges.html

    This is before my time. I just got released from prison lately, and haven't been around.

    That's okay, Hoggie. GladHand hasn't been "around" very long either! He's pretty NEW to the board, apparently doesn't THINK to do a topic search, and thinks HE is the only one who KNOWS anything. Oh yeah.... he ALSO "thinks" he knows something about ME. Not a chance!

    He is SO busy talking us all to death and overusing the word "inculcates" that he hasn't "tested the waters" here before imposing his opinions. If he HAD, he might know that I: (1) Don't particularly like GPS systems, but don't think they are totally useless. (2) Absolutely don't agree with "no idle" rules! and... (3) Am not a Liberal.

    But, like a few others here that have questioned HIS "beliefs," he has branded me the enemy just as surely as he has lumped ALL Muslims into the camp of Al Quaida.

    However, considering that I have only "sparingly" debated him so far.... I can't help believing that he has made this judgement call about me based SOLELY on the fact that I pointed out that a thread already existed about this topic. Geez.... talk about a trigger finger!

    I wonder if he's related to Dubya?
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    ..but ...but the other thread was his thread too.

    I sent you an email Bro.
    Tried to send you a PM, and got a flashing message which said you Blocked me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadhog View Post
    ..but ...but the other thread was his thread too.

    I sent you an email Bro.
    Tried to send you a PM, and got a flashing message which said you Blocked me.

    J/K
    You know? I didn't check... but I thought that other thread was HIS, too!

    I don't know what message one gets, but I doubt it says I "blocked" you. My PM box is full. I don't see that changing for awhile. I've given out my email addy.... YOU certainly have it..... so, I'm not inclined to give "in" to the bastards that run this site now.

    You KNOW how to reach me, Bro! I haven't had time to answer your last email, I've been busy with Spring cleaning. But, I WILL!

    Oh, P.S: I've found that I get better response time on CAD using the explorer "thingie" since I got RoadRunner. I still use my aol, which is where your email is housed, but... sometimes not as often. I'll go check it soon as I quit finding posts I want to argue with! LOL!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glad Hand View Post
    Yeah but it has only been in the last three or four years when people began to use GPS technology and everyone who does use them already knows not to trust them to do routing.
    Dumbest statement yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glad Hand View Post
    ALBANY, N.Y. — New York state wants to crack down on truckers who rely on satellite devices to direct them onto faster but prohibited routes and end up crashing into overpasses that are too low for their rigs.

    Gov. David Paterson on Wednesday proposed penalties including jail time and confiscation of trucks to come down on drivers who use GPS — global positioning systems — to take more hazardous routes and end up striking bridges.

    "To our knowledge, no other state has similar legislation," said Clayton Boyce of the American Trucking Associations, an industry trade group based in Washington.

    "Most trucking companies rely on GPS services that are specifically for trucks and route them away from restricted roads," he said. "Most of our members also use dispatching and fleet management systems that direct and track the vehicles by truck GPS services."

    In New York, a truckers' group called the proposal unfair and unwarranted.

    "We understand that bridge strikes have become an increasing problem for Westchester County and the New York metropolitan area," said Karin Kennett of the New York State Motor Truck Association. Requiring all trucks in the state that are using GPS to buy an enhanced device goes too far, she said

    "It places an unfair and unwarranted financial burden on every law-abiding trucking company doing business anywhere in New York at a time when our state claims to be trying to improve our business climate," Kennett said.

    A safety group said trucks taking restricted routes is a scary fact of life on the nation's highways and parkways and something other states will need to consider as more drivers turn to GPS.

    Gerald Donaldson, senior research director of Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, said GPS adds to the list of electronics that also distract truckers, including radios, cell phones and a computer keyboard to communicate with companies and other drivers.

    "GPS is the heart of it," Donaldson said. "Absolutely ... other states will be looking at Gov. Paterson's issue."

    GPS can direct truckers, many of them carrying hazardous material, to restricted roads with overpass clearances too low for the rigs. Hauling on restricted or residential routes also pounds the life out of roads because the trucks are over weight limits and clog traffic.

    "GPS for some truckers are crucial, and it also is part of a much larger array of electronic devices," he said. "You get paid by the mile, so it's your to your incentive to get as many miles and routes as you can in your tour of duty."

    New York state alone has seen more than 1,400 bridge strikes in the past 15 years, including 46 so far this year in suburban Westchester County, testing many old bridges already in need of repair, said County Executive Andrew J. Spano. One bridge in his county was hit nine times this year.

    "This sort of culture of just following the GPS and almost ignoring the road signs has created this public hazard," Paterson told reporters.

    "Every week we hear of another truck striking a bridge on our parkways," said Spano, standing with Paterson at the bill's announcement.

    "It's only a matter of time before someone is killed or a truck carrying chemicals or explosives hits a bridge," he said.

    The bill would increase penalties for illegally using parkways and require all large commercial trucks to use GPS devices that route them away from restricted roads. It would also stick trucking companies or their insurance carriers with the bill for repairs and cleanup after bridge strikes.

    The bill could hit the Legislature as early as January.

    GPS Causing Truckers to Crash Into Bridges - Auto - FOXNews.com


    All in all...those three words say it all, when it comes to New York state, and truck traffic. Clogging traffic is what gets their "goat" more so than a truck striking a bridge.



    Any driver whom strikes a bridge, then blames the incident on his or her use of a GPS device, deserves what they get. If a driver is to damned lazy to pay attention to signage placed along highway routes, advising of bridge clearances, bridge weight restrictions, or road weight restrictions....those people deserve everything handed to them, just for being stupid.


    Luckily for me, I seldom have to worry about striking a bridge. I will clear every obstruction that is taller than 11"6" (actually....10'8")!!

    99.1% of the people hauling hazardous chemicals or explosives are smart enough to know when to ignore "technology" and use the ole` noggin and visual aids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadhog View Post
    Hobo's right, there was a thread on this just recently.

    Hahaha...I just looked in the archives, only went back 3 pages
    http://www.classadrivers.com/forum/anything-everything/38945-gps-causing-truckers-crash-into-bridges.html

    This is before my time. I just got released from prison lately, and haven't been around.

    When do you start your job, hauling hazardous ping pong balls?
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    I agree that GPS aint 100% accurate. Like HWY 82 in west Texas-where I run every night. I don't have a GPS, but I bet it wouldn't tell me about the deer and the pigs that cross over the highway in front of me.

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    If they pass this law and I have a truck specific GPS, does that mean if it doesn't warn me of a low-clearance bridge or other restricted route, the blame isn't on me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangetxguy View Post
    When do you start your job, hauling hazardous ping pong balls?

    I got released early, because I signed up with ACORN. Thought I had a good thing going there. I don't know what happened. The economy I guess.
    Just one day some ACORN officials came around and said we were all on our own. No more paychecks or presidential pardoning for beating people up.
    They said we sould go sign up with SEIU. But SEIU is only around the big Cities.

    Shame I gotta go back into trucking, but I'm looking forward to hauling hazmat pingpong balls. Hell, the only other option I'd have is pulling for grocery warehouses.
    Well, I'll be in that whitish looking Freightliner with the taped and wired on front bumper, broken glass, dents everywhere, bullet holes and bent rims.
    At least thanks to you guys, I know enough now, not to open the back doors.



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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo View Post
    That's okay, Hoggie. GladHand hasn't been "around" very long either! He's pretty NEW to the board, apparently doesn't THINK to do a topic search, and thinks HE is the only one who KNOWS anything. Oh yeah.... he ALSO "thinks" he knows something about ME. Not a chance!.
    To the contrary, I was perfectly aware that another thread on the subject had already been started previously since I was the one who started it. Nevertheless, in this case because the impending vote is so near I wanted to start another thread and if you don't like it, then you can sue me.

    Not to mention, that I don't know what the ME has to do with Governor Patterson's ignorant bill, but anyway I forgot more about the ME than you will ever come close to knowing thank you very much!

    He is SO busy talking us all to death and overusing the word "inculcates" that he hasn't "tested the waters" here before imposing his opinions.
    You dislike the word "inculcate" because you have an aversion to the truth and also because the word so perfectly describes what must have happened to you. I mean it was either that or else your mother must have dropped you on your head when you were just a little baby and whether or not it was done accidentally or deliberately I don't care, because the outcome is the same.

    And as for as discerning what you think first before expressing my opinions, I hate to disappoint you but the truth is I could care less what your opinions are nor could I care less what your opinion is of my opinions.

    (3) Am not a Liberal.
    I believe this statement about as much as I believe the moon is made of cheese and that there is a man in the moon.

    But, like a few others here that have questioned HIS "beliefs," he has branded me the enemy just as surely as he has lumped ALL Muslims into the camp of Al Quaida.
    I'm guilty of branding you a liberal and an irrational leftist because you obviously are one. With respect to qualifying all Muslims like AQ, that's absurd since while all devout Muslims agree on what the ultimate outcome must be, they often disagree vehemently on the means of reaching that outcome.

    Thus, that's why you always observe Muslims constantly killing other Muslims for not being Muslim enough. Indeed, no one kills more Muslims than other Muslims. Nevertheless, all devout Muslims agree on what the ultimate outcome of Islam must be. Even AQ and the House of Saud are in total and perfect agreement with that ultimate outcome. However, they very vehemently and violently disagree on the mechanism used to reach that place.

    Sort of like Fatah and Hamas also totally agree on the ultimate outcome of their perpetual jihad against Israel. However, the two Islamic terror groups vehemently and often violently disagree on the mechanism of accomplishing that outcome.

    I wonder if he's related to Dubya?
    Now out of all the absurd nonsense you have said, the immediate one above is the one that I find to be the most distasteful and insulting, since as a true conservative I totally despise the way that GWB doubled the size of the federal government and federal spending and especially the fantasy-based idiotic way he pursued the wars by trying to win the unwinnable hearts and minds of Muslims instead of obliterating our enemies and creating deterrence. Not to mention that thanks to him and his dad, the Republican Party became hijacked and co-opted by the left

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike3fan View Post
    Dumbest statement yet.
    Okay, please forgive me. I should have said with the single exception of mike3fan, everyone who does use them already knows not to trust them to do routing. Sorry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangetxguy View Post
    Any driver whom strikes a bridge, then blames the incident on his or her use of a GPS device, deserves what they get. If a driver is to damned lazy to pay attention to signage placed along highway routes, advising of bridge clearances, bridge weight restrictions, or road weight restrictions....those people deserve everything handed to them, just for being stupid.
    And I totally agree. However, the good governor is exploiting the emotions of the populace by blaming the GPS devices for the long standing problem and not the stupid and incompetent driver, and never mind the fact that most of the statistics he cites to support his absurd assertions occurred long before the advent of GPS technology in the trucking industry.

    Not to mention that the existence of GPS devices that are capable of doing truck specific routing is also a myth. Therefore, his bill will have the ultimate outcome of needlessly outlawing all GPS devices and at the same time inevitably destroying an industry.

    99.1% of the people hauling hazardous chemicals or explosives are smart enough to know when to ignore "technology" and use the ole` noggin and visual aids.
    With the exception of mike3fan. He readily admits that he is in the .9 percent of drivers that can't use the ole noggin or visual aids.

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