Obama's REAL Agenda...

[Jackrabbit379]

Wabbit...don't let us fool you, it's over ALL our heads!

Glad to know that I'm not the only one.

[Glad Hand]

What would happen if the FBI suddenly discovered the presence of a nefarious plot to nuke all of the USA’s major cities simultaneously set to take place in only just a few hours say if they captured the Iranian mastermind behind the plot? Would they use coercive interrogation techniques such as waterboarding to learn the details of the plot in order to stop it before it could happen? Or would they instead refuse to employ coercive interrogation techniques, resign themselves to the simultaneous destruction of all of America’s major cities, and just try to evacuate as many people as possible instead because according to Obama and his fellow Marxist cronies coercive interrogation techniques are torture and in their minds the dignity of an Islamofascist terrorist hell bent on destroying America and killing as many innocent American infidel kafirs as possible and also the negative impression that using coercive interrogation techniques would create among the worldwide delusional left far outweighs the value of all those major American cities that inevitably would be destroyed and the millions of innocent American lives that would inevitably be killed also?

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m guessing the latter would happen in the current President B. Hussein Obama administration. Of course, to be fair it would have also happened in a Juan “McAmnesty” McPain administration as well, which is another reason why I refused to vote for that stealth leftwing moonbat.

[Jackrabbit379]

There is something I have in mind. Guantanamo Bay prisoners. Have they decided on what they are going to do with them? I remember hearing about Obama closing the prison. Are they going to be tried and sentenced to other prisons, or capital punished? Or is that not been decided yet?

[GMAN]

Jackrabbit, I don't think these people in the Obama administration have considered what they will do with these prisoners. All they wanted to do is get a lot of press and favor from the far left and the Muslim community. I doubt that it occurred to them that they would need to make provisions where to house these prisoners. Perhaps if Obama asks them nice they would promise to not do any more terrorist acts and he would send them home.

[Glad Hand]

There is something I have in mind. Guantanamo Bay prisoners. Have they decided on what they are going to do with them? I remember hearing about Obama closing the prison. Are they going to be tried and sentenced to other prisons, or capital punished? Or is that not been decided yet?

The Obama administration is proposing to place them in a prison in Illinois near Chicago. However, the local people are raising hell despite the fact that the Dhimmicrats in Congress are claiming it will create jobs. The local’s reply is there are much better ways to create jobs.

[Jackrabbit379]

Jackrabbit, I don't think these people in the Obama administration have considered what they will do with these prisoners. All they wanted to do is get a lot of press and favor from the far left and the Muslim community. I doubt that it occurred to them that they would need to make provisions where to house these prisoners. Perhaps if Obama asks them nice they would promise to not do any more terrorist acts and he would send them home.

The Obama administration is proposing to place them in a prison in Illinois near Chicago. However, the local people are raising hell despite the fact that the Dhimmicrats in Congress are claiming it will create jobs. The local’s reply is there are much better ways to create jobs.

Surely they won't just 'turn them loose'. That would be letting the fox out in the hen house.
Like I said, I've heard about it, but I didn't know. I figured they would atleast transport them to other prisons. I don't know what their sentences are, but they should carry out their sentences. Surely they aren't dumb enough to let them go home.


Here's another question- and I hope I am not 'hijacking' by asking this.
I've heard on the news about the terrorists that were responsible for the 9-11 attacks. I'm not too keen on this, so bare with me. I've heard so many things about this, I can't keep up. Are they going to have a civil court? Whether it be a federal or civil trial, surely they will be brought to justice. Do yall know what's going to happen with those terrorists? What's the scoop on this deal?

[Glad Hand]

Here's another question- and I hope I am not 'hijacking' by asking this. I've heard on the news about the terrorists that were responsible for the 9-11 attacks. I'm not too keen on this, so bare with me. I've heard so many things about this, I can't keep up. Are they going to have a civil court? Whether it be a federal or civil trial, surely they will be brought to justice. Do yall know what's going to happen with those terrorists? What's the scoop on this deal?

They are going to try the 9/11 terrorists in civilian court in New York City and at the same time bestow upon them all the constitutional rights bestowed upon all American citizens of the USA. Don’t worry our illustrious Attorney General and patriotic President have assured us that they will be found guilty of their crimes, which means that they must be clairvoyant and can read the minds of the jury pool even before a jury pool has been selected, and never mind the fact that all the evidence that was gathered before these terrorists were Mirandised and apprised of all their newly acquired rights, the evidence gathered beforehand will have to all be thrown out since it isn’t admissible in a court of law.

Not to mention that these trials are unprecedented and will be the first time ever in American history when war criminals captured in war were tried in a civilian court of law as opposed to the customary military tribunals. Thus, it couldn’t be any more obvious that the only motivation for making an exception in this case for having these terrorists tried in civilian courts in New York City is to create a circus in order to put the CIA and our intelligence agencies on trial, along with attempting to embarrass the Bush/Cheney White House, of course, and never mind the fact that the inevitable impact will have the effect of leaving us blind and defenseless. In any event, the New York Slimes will have a field day; that is if they don’t go totally bankrupt first before the trials begin.

However, a new controversy has recently arisen as of late and may throw a monkey wrench into their grand plans. Because our illustrious Attorney General and patriotic President have both reached out to the American people to reassure us that the 9/11 terrorists will be found guilty in the civilian courts of New York City before the trial has even occurred, the leftwing attorneys representing those 9/11 terrorists have claimed that reassurance was prejudicial to their terrorist clients case because it makes it impossible for them to receive a fair trial and because of this are going to move to have all the charges thrown out and dismissed.

It’s almost as if this script was written for the Twilight Zone or something.

[Jackrabbit379]

Well, that's how I kinda understood it from listening to the news. I just hoped that I didn't hear it right. I hope they all get convicted. We shall see.

[GMAN]

I am sure that these terrorist will find a job in the Obama administration when their case if thrown out. They should feel right at home.

[golfhobo]

What astounds me is how insane must our President be, to have this mindset over this. Obama is either insane, and needs help, or he is evil-minded, and deliberately looking to hurt America, in many ways.

These terrorists are illegal combatants in an undeclared war, who wear no uniform and attack innocent civilians. They have NO RIGHTS!
No rights under the International Law.
No rights under the Geneva Convention.
No rights under the U.S. Constitution.

They were captured on foreign soil, and admitted guilt.
We have proof of their guilt. Everyone knows this to be true.

We have the right to shoot them anytime, anywhere. That is their justice.
Nothing more.

I have spent most of the night searching google for the best response to this. I don't claim that the following IS the best response... or MY personal beliefs. But, if SOME of you are going to continue this line of thinking, I IMPLORE you to read this link in it's entirety.... and PLEASE.... give some serious (unbiased) thought to it.

Francis Boyle: The Illegalities of Bush's War on Afghanistan


In general, it occurs to me that.... if you won't give these prisoners any protections of treaties of WAR.... then you cannot declare yourself IN A WAR against them. And if not.... then you must admit it is a POLICE ACTION, and could be better handled as such (without the massive loss of American Soldier's lives!)

Furthermore.... the lack of a Congressionally declared (constitutional) war, may in fact, negate the propriety of Military Tribunals and leave us with no option BUT the Federal courts for crimes committed on our soil.

I just don't understand why you "red meat" Conservatives get so carried away with your "flag waving" aggression.... that you are willing to trash the very tennets of our Constitution and the morals our country was founded on!

For the record, I don't care if they get a fair trial or not! I'd shoot them myself in a firing squad in ONE afternoon, and have a few beers on the beach afterwards!

I'm just sick and tired of y'all blaming Obama and the "liberals" for decisions they make based on policies and decisions that YOUR "king" Dubya made!

And I'm sick of you wrapping yourselves in the American Flag, while TRASHING the Constitution and the LAWS that it stands for. Why don't y'all stand up ONCE in your lives and take responsibility for the mess YOU and YOUR "king Dubya" put us in??

[DaveP]

Although I feel much like RH on the matter of terrorists and this "war"....I also see GH's point.

My Dad always told me..."Son, NEVER lower yourself to another persons level".

It's kind of a moral Catch-22.

[GMAN]

I have spent most of the night searching google for the best response to this. I don't claim that the following IS the best response... or MY personal beliefs. But, if SOME of you are going to continue this line of thinking, I IMPLORE you to read this link in it's entirety.... and PLEASE.... give some serious (unbiased) thought to it.

Francis Boyle: The Illegalities of Bush's War on Afghanistan


In general, it occurs to me that.... if you won't give these prisoners any protections of treaties of WAR.... then you cannot declare yourself IN A WAR against them. And if not.... then you must admit it is a POLICE ACTION, and could be better handled as such (without the massive loss of American Soldier's lives!)

Furthermore.... the lack of a Congressionally declared (constitutional) war, may in fact, negate the propriety of Military Tribunals and leave us with no option BUT the Federal courts for crimes committed on our soil.

I just don't understand why you "red meat" Conservatives get so carried away with your "flag waving" aggression.... that you are willing to trash the very tennets of our Constitution and the morals our country was founded on!

For the record, I don't care if they get a fair trial or not! I'd shoot them myself in a firing squad in ONE afternoon, and have a few beers on the beach afterwards!

I'm just sick and tired of y'all blaming Obama and the "liberals" for decisions they make based on policies and decisions that YOUR "king" Dubya made!

And I'm sick of you wrapping yourselves in the American Flag, while TRASHING the Constitution and the LAWS that it stands for. Why don't y'all stand up ONCE in your lives and take responsibility for the mess YOU and YOUR "king Dubya" put us in??

I think that I should point out to you, Golf Hobo that we did not send troops to Afghanistan until AFTER 9/11. That was the reason we went to war in the first place. We were attacked. And I don't know why you continue to call it Bush's war. It was CONGRESS who voted to go to war and fight these radicals. It was CONGRESS who cut off funding to support these troops after they voted to send them in harms way. This congress was DEMOCRATICALLY controlled. I am surprised that you continue to blame Bush when it was the Democrats who participated in moving this war to the heart of terrorism. The democratically controlled congress is not a friend of the military. They sent them to war and cut off their means to fight. If you want to blame anyone for deaths in this war you need to include congress. Actually, perhaps it is time to start blaming the Muslims. They are the ones who started this war. We either kill them or they will destroy this country. Of course, they are receiving plenty of help destroying this country by liberal thinking Americans. We can't even condemn these people without being called radicals ourselves. If these people were Christians this would be a non issue. Liberals attack when they don't have a leg on which to stand. This is now Hussein's war. He better get to winning it or there may not be an America for him to socialize.

[Roadhog]

I've given thought to this moral catch-22. I still see it as confused thinking with a sense of moral superiority, even though that is the agrument made against conservative thinking.

Guantanamo for instance. Liberals battle cry is this is the biggest cause for recruiting to radical Islam. But you can not find one terrorist that says, they joined Jihad because of Guantanamo.

The left leaning camp see's the primary problem with terrorism, comes from our foreign policy. If we would pull our troops out of Iraq and Afganistan, and stop supporting Israel, then the problem would disappear. But America has not been called the "Great Satan" in the Arab world primarily on the basis of foreign policy. They are upset about the importation of western decadence. Christianity is not the religion of intolerance. Just try to visit ANY ARAB Country with a Bible in your suitcase.

Islam is against Islam! There are many radical Muslims who want to keep the dark ages way of belief and Shria law, and have their male dominance. That is one reason why you will NOT hear American Muslims stand up and speak out against radical Islam in this Country. They are afraid for their lives by their own people!.... not us.

Have you thought about the "view" the Islamic world gets of American's? Think about it, they get the LIBERAL view of what they see on television. Sit-coms and dramas that stretch the limits of vulgarity, glorifying premarital and extramarital sex, homosexuality, drunkenness, drug addition, and corruption. You know, I'm just saying, how about some perspective. This narrow but jaundiced view of America, are the very expressions that the left-wingers defend as free speech and civil liberties. We have used the First Amendment as a license to promote. Benjamin Franklin commented; "It wasn't that force from without which would wrest freedom the fledgling nation, but impropriety toward self-government from within that could bring her down."

This is post 9/11 and things have changed. Liberals are always saying that we should be asking why these people are angry with us. When you're in a war, it is detrimental to sit around and play these pyschobabble games. Liberals place themselves in the net of a malignant catch-22. If one believes the attacks of radical Muslims are merely about wrong-headed foreign policy, then one will assume that certain changes will improve, if not expunge, the hostilities altogether. If Islamic militants loathe the perversity of the perceived American lifestyle, what concessions are liberals willing to make in order to keep the peace?

What is so progressive about progressivism? Simply moving in a forward direction? Liberal cultural trends are the evils that put us squarely in the path of future violence. Conservatives wish to destroy only those who take the lives of innocents. We understand the necessity for cultural renovation. We are not clouded by moral superiority, or fervant agenda. Our values have a foundation, which goes back to the formation of this Country, and our Constitution.

Liberals love to accuse us of destroying the Constitution. Sorry, but we do honestly feel we are agruing with IDIOTS. I admit I get angry and frustrated. I fault myself for not standing against this path to destruction sooner. Liberals are going to be the ones left standing in shock. I am so glad my mind has not been confused by the liberal media's long engagement of propaganda. In my opinion this radical liberalism is very insidious.

[GMAN]

I think that most people know right from wrong in their hearts. There comes a time when each person must decide for himself whether he will stand up for what he knows is right. You either stand up or get run over. The silent majority in this country has been silent for too long.

[Twilight Flyer]

You know, I usually stay somewhat removed from these kinds of topics, but I find myself wanting to post something this time. So here’s where we are…this isn’t make believe. This is what is coming; this is the reality of this situation that BarryO has put us in.

These “admitted” terrorists are going to be tried in a civilian court and will get to receive all the rights of American Citizens, including being considered innocent until proven guilty. They will be allowed to address the court. They will be allowed the insanity defense. They will be allowed appeals, which will not be needed. They are not American citizens and are not guaranteed our rights, but now they get them…after killing over 3,000 of us in a military attack, unconventional as it was.

I'll repeat this for the short attention span theatre crowd...These are NOT American Citizens! Someone, ANYONE, give me one good reason why they should be given American rights? Just because they killed over 3,000 Americans, does not give them American rights.

These are the same guys that the entire world already knows is responsible for 9-11…the same guys that have admitted of it, have boasted of it, have glorified in it. And you honestly think that Obama’s decision is the right one? Is even the rational one? And this IS his decision, mind you. You talk about Bush owning his presidency. Just wait until Obama owns his because he will do that in spades.

Because here is what is going to happen.

These cockroaches will get their day in civilian court, they will be able to tell the entire world why they did it. They will have their platform to be heard. And then they will be found innocent by reason of insanity, PROVIDING the whole thing isn’t simply declared a mistrial due to your president and his attorney general goon coming out and saying they know these scumbags will be found guilty and executed. Heck, I would not at all be surprised to see their lawyers claim that they cannot get a fair trial anywhere in the United States and will therefore be tried in some world court elsewhere!

Civilian court rules here, people. If you were on trial for something/anything and the judge, the prosecuting attorney, and the mayor of your town went on record saying they knew you were going to be found guilty before the trial even started, you’d have a hundred different lawyers ready to step up and successfully argue your freedom. These guys will have thousands. What a feather in their lawyer’s cap, eh? That conversation would go something like this:

“Yeah, I successfully defended a bunch of terrorists that killed over 3,000 Americans and got them off on a technicality.”

“Welcome to the firm, PARTNER!”

This is the reality of this whole thing and if it were not so downright ludicrous, ridiculous, and flat-out disgusting, it would be hysterically funny. It’s the Keystone Cops on a world stage!

In the end, the terrorists win. One of these outcomes will happen and everybody already knows it. They know it, their lawyers know it, and your president certainly knows it. The trial is going to be an absolute circus and a farce and you are utterly clueless to if you believe otherwise.

And when that happens, this country will finally and completely fracture. There will be riots, there will be killings, there will be all matter of retribution, both ways. If you think the simmering anger is scary right now, wait until these guys that killed over 3,000 of YOUR fellow Americans, are found innocent or simply released. If you think that the majority of this country (and I include a whole lot of even-minded liberals here), with that level of anger, bitterness, grief, and frustration in them, is going to simply take it in stride when that innocent verdict is handed down or these scumbags are freed on a technicality, you are not living in reality. That verdict will bring out a thousand Timothy McVeighs and then a thousand more Osama Bin Ladens and that will be after the nationwide riots. That verdict will pit most completely, the Muslim world against the rest of the world, Christian and non-Christian alike.

Now, you can bury your head in the sand and pretend that I’m full of crap, that we live in an enlightened society, and I’ll simply tell you to open your eyes. We live in a rabidly hateful and depraved society...a society where 9-11 happens and we give more consideration to the rights of the killers than the men, women and children that died or lost mothers, fathers, children, friends, relatives, etc. That's the society we live in and this is what is going to happen, like it or not. And when it does, what do you think your president is going to do then? And he is your president. He stopped being mine (and millions and millions of others) when he stopped being President of the UNITED STATES and started work on becoming President of the World.

[1catfish]

You know, I usually stay somewhat removed from these kinds of topics, but I find myself wanting to post something this time. So here’s where we are…this isn’t make believe. This is what is coming; this is the reality of this situation that BarryO has put us in.

These “admitted” terrorists are going to be tried in a civilian court and will get to receive all the rights of American Citizens, including being considered innocent until proven guilty. They will be allowed to address the court. They will be allowed the insanity defense. They will be allowed appeals, which will not be needed. They are not American citizens and are not guaranteed our rights, but now they get them…after killing over 3,000 of us in a military attack, unconventional as it was.

I'll repeat this for the short attention span theatre crowd...These are NOT American Citizens! Someone, ANYONE, give me one good reason why they should be given American rights? Just because they killed over 3,000 Americans, does not give them American rights.

These are the same guys that the entire world already knows is responsible for 9-11…the same guys that have admitted of it, have boasted of it, have glorified in it. And you honestly think that Obama’s decision is the right one? Is even the rational one? And this IS his decision, mind you. You talk about Bush owning his presidency. Just wait until Obama owns his because he will do that in spades.

Because here is what is going to happen.

These cockroaches will get their day in civilian court, they will be able to tell the entire world why they did it. They will have their platform to be heard. And then they will be found innocent by reason of insanity, PROVIDING the whole thing isn’t simply declared a mistrial due to your president and his attorney general goon coming out and saying they know these scumbags will be found guilty and executed. Heck, I would not at all be surprised to see their lawyers claim that they cannot get a fair trial anywhere in the United States and will therefore be tried in some world court elsewhere!

Civilian court rules here, people. If you were on trial for something/anything and the judge, the prosecuting attorney, and the mayor of your town went on record saying they knew you were going to be found guilty before the trial even started, you’d have a hundred different lawyers ready to step up and successfully argue your freedom. These guys will have thousands. What a feather in their lawyer’s cap, eh? That conversation would go something like this:

“Yeah, I successfully defended a bunch of terrorists that killed over 3,000 Americans and got them off on a technicality.”

“Welcome to the firm, PARTNER!”

This is the reality of this whole thing and if it were not so downright ludicrous, ridiculous, and flat-out disgusting, it would be hysterically funny. It’s the Keystone Cops on a world stage!

In the end, the terrorists win. One of these outcomes will happen and everybody already knows it. They know it, their lawyers know it, and your president certainly knows it. The trial is going to be an absolute circus and a farce and you are utterly clueless to if you believe otherwise.

And when that happens, this country will finally and completely fracture. There will be riots, there will be killings, there will be all matter of retribution, both ways. If you think the simmering anger is scary right now, wait until these guys that killed over 3,000 of YOUR fellow Americans, are found innocent or simply released. If you think that the majority of this country (and I include a whole lot of even-minded liberals here), with that level of anger, bitterness, grief, and frustration in them, is going to simply take it in stride when that innocent verdict is handed down or these scumbags are freed on a technicality, you are not living in reality. That verdict will bring out a thousand Timothy McVeighs and then a thousand more Osama Bin Ladens and that will be after the nationwide riots. That verdict will pit most completely, the Muslim world against the rest of the world, Christian and non-Christian alike.

Now, you can bury your head in the sand and pretend that I’m full of crap, that we live in an enlightened society, and I’ll simply tell you to open your eyes. We live in a rabidly hateful and depraved society...a society where 9-11 happens and we give more consideration to the rights of the killers than the men, women and children that died or lost mothers, fathers, children, friends, relatives, etc. That's the society we live in and this is what is going to happen, like it or not. And when it does, what do you think your president is going to do then? And he is your president. He stopped being mine (and millions and millions of others) when he stopped being President of the UNITED STATES and started work on becoming President of the World.

sad but true, this is a sad state of affairs.

[geeshock]

I'm just out here reading. I know this country is going there in a hand basket, mabe even a dixie cup. I just don't know whats going to happen. Are we going to contiue to let this happen or are we going to take action and get these ppl out of office. I don't get it, we take our time to decide weather to send more troops in but they try and pass a health-care bill before we can even fully comprehend the effects this bill will have. At least with bush we always knew where he stood, this guy I never know from one day to the next.

[dobry4u]

We live in a rabidly hateful and depraved society...a society where 9-11 happens and we give more consideration to the rights of the killers than the men, women and children that died or lost mothers, fathers, children, friends, relatives, etc.

This is new? The presumption of innocence is a fundamental right in a democracy.

We live in a rabidly hateful and depraved society..If you think that the majority of this country (and I include a whole lot of even-minded liberals here)

hateful of? Liberals? Muslims? or injustice?

[GMAN]

Putting these people on trial will only give them a public forum. That is exactly what they want. I agree with TF. These are not American citizens and should not be accorded the rights of an American citizen. Perhaps we should use the so called justice sytem in their country. Have a trial, behead them. Simple. And it saves the taxpayers millions in court costs and legal fees. And make no mistake about it. The American taxpayer will pick up the tab for this circus. I would not be surprised if we started seeing more violence agains Muslims and U.S. citizens.

[mommee]

The American taxpayer will pick up the tab for this circus. I would not be surprised if we started seeing more violence agains Muslims and U.S. citizens.

i was thinking the same thing. they won't be get fair trial anywhere in the US. maybe the judge should find them innocent and then tell them they are free to go into the streets of new york and see what happens.

have people considered the feelings of the families of the victims and the people who had to live through that day? or is it about the rights of the terrorists, first? it makes me angry that their rights are being put in front of the victims. i went to the site about a month after it happened. i saw what they did and i saw the black drapings on all the firehouses around there. it angers me that they are doing this but this is our president.