Obama's REAL Agenda...

[golfhobo]

Roadhog said: Hobro,

From what I've heard, Snopes is run by David and Barbara Mikkelson of California and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research. They are Democrats and extremely liberal.

This is interesting information and I will take it to heart. It doesn't change the fact that they EXIST because the Republicans LIE so much! As for "formal background or experience in investigative research"..... need I post the biography of Glenn Beck?

I think it's plain both liberals and conservatives have purposely saught to discredit anything from the "enemy" camp. Key word "enemy" as our politicians LOVE to see us fight over crap, while they both plot and plan bigger government.

This is an interesting point. How can Republicans harp on, and base their political strategy on, the fact that DEMS are the ones for BIG GOV'T.... when THEY are for the same thing?

There are just as many Democrats hidden within the Republican party, and vice versa. Look at Scozzafava (scuzzybitch who was a Democrat all along) Who is to say some of the "snopes gotcha's" discrediting a conservative point of view, was not purposely written by a liberal? Are we to blindly believe anything we hear or read anymore?

Thanks to YOUR expose of Snopes.... I have become TWO of the three monkeys! However, I don't believe Scuzzybotch was a "plant." She is one of the FEW Republicans who still have a conscience.... and she saw the Conservative invasion for what it was.

Especially anything reported by the liberal media which has proven they have NO SHAME?
Seriously, all our media these days is filled with BS. I'm hearing crap come out of Fox News as well. Not as bad, but BS at times never the less. But ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC are more propaganda...than I can stomach. Many of the Newspapers and Magazines are worthless crap as well, filled with lies and propaganda.

You know? For YEARS I didn't even SEE this "bias" of the media that is of such interest today. Doesn't mean I was buying what they said hook, line and sinker. But, anyone who thinks FOXnews is "fair and balanced" or unbiased, has their head in the sand. Even the owner, Murdoch has admitted it. As I said... I LIKE Fox. But, I believe IT is responsible for the downfall of journalism in general, and the media specifically.

I wouldn't put faith in any media these days, snopes included.
Journalists and Politicians are running game on us.

Regretfully, I must tend to agree. It has always been the effort of governments to control the media. Look at Stalin, Kruschev, and that guy in Germany (I didn't invoke his name!)

I tend to believe ONLY the comics! Jon Stewart, Jay Leno, Dave Letterman, etc. If you want to know if something the government says passes the "smell test," tune into late night T.V. THERE, you will hear the truth!

Glen Beck, Shaun Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Keith Olberman (much as I like him) have reduced the NEWS media to a re-run of the Jerry Springer Show!

I MISS Chet, David, and Walter! Though I now have to question their skills as well. Were THEY being "used" by the government? I don't think so. I blame it all on Woodward and Bernstein. Not until THEM did the government realize the POWER of the media to FIND the truth.... or to distort it.

God (if there IS one) help us all! There's not a MAN with integrity left among us!

Hobo

[Glad Hand]

Under the GOP majority you all were being lead by fear!!

The problem with the Republicans is they have become hijacked by liberals and as a result afflicted with political correct multiculturalism. Thus, instead of defeating our enemies, creating deterrence, and then going home, they want to pursue endless fantasy based nation-building missions to win the hearts and minds of the enemies because they are obsessed with the image they project to the world.

It could be worse though; at least they are not as bad as the useful idiot left, which takes ignorance, obliviousness, and naivety to the extreme.

[Glad Hand]

This pretty much is what happened in the New York 23rd district. Thanks for the seat! Keep up the good work, and soon we won't have to worry about the GOP at all.

It’s not like district 23 wasn’t an exceedingly liberal district to begin with. Nevertheless, the two new Republican governorships are a preview of things to come.

Don’t get me wrong, I wish Obama was a little more competent so that the Republican Party could be pushed back to the right, but because Obama is so incompetent he is making it too easy for Republicans and thus it will be much harder to push the Republican Party back to the right.

[Roadhog]

Hobro,
It was interesting you brought up that piece about Sean Hannity reporting on Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) spur of the moment rally on the health care reform bill. That was one report that infuriated me, and one example why I claimed "I'm hearing crap come out of Fox News as well." It really astounds me, they have to inflate the numbers to give this any importance. I heard the "real numbers" were around 10,000. What the hell...even if only 5,000 people showed up on a spur of the moment event...is that not huge? People are out of work and struggling to pay bills, and not loose all they have worked for their entire lives! How many of us can run off to a rally? Doesn't mean we don't support them.

It just makes me sick how Journalists and Politicians are running game on us. The Politician's love having the general population so overwhelmed with struggles and never-ending political caos, so they can have a shiny object in one hand while they do their misdeeds with the other hand. The media protects them. They either do not expose what is really happening, or they distort it so badly, it takes you days, weeks to find out the "real truth." American politics and the media are in the same bed. Don't get me started on Unions, big business, foreign interests, community organizations, IRS, Fed. Reserve, and Trans-nationalists.

Yes I do believe both the Republican party and the Democrat party are much the same. It really matters not, which party is in office. I hated half of what Sen. John McCain (AZ. R) stood for, and over the last year listening to him and what his campaign did to Gov. Sarah Palin (AK. R) I've about lost all respect for him entirely. I did vote for him, but felt sick to my gut for doing it. I believe he would have damaged our Country as well...only just much slower. Both political parties in America SUCK and are filthy liars and criminals, and I hate about 90-95% of them. Even my classmate Rep. Bart Stupak, Michigan (D) gets an ear full from me. We go way back, but I'm not sure I'll vote for him when he runs for Governor of Michigan in 2010.

I was a conservative Democrat most of my life, but have witnessed this liberal slide since the 70's and have watched it very closely. Not until the last couple years have I broken rule and started to speak out about my personal beliefs. Who among us can stand by any longer?

As far as Fox news, I have allot of respect for Beck, O'Rielly, Van Susteren, Cavuto, Hume, Baier, and many of the contributors like Judge Napalitano, Ann Colter, Bernie Goldberg, Michelle Mulkin and others. But I do hear things from them I do not fully agree with. I am always disturbed by conservative bias and misrepresentation of facts! I want the straight news...period, and be able to decide for myself what I believe in.

All those comedians you mentioned are liberals. I am one of the very few conservative comedians on the planet. Therefore I would starve. I especially will not listen to Letterman, Stewart and Colbert. (bottom feeders)

[GMAN]

I would prefer if ALL the media simply reported the news without commentary. I don't need them to interpret what I just heard. I can do that for myself. Neither party is doing what they need to do for this country. They all seem to do what is in their personal best interest. Just a hint of this was when they gave themselves a big pay raise and golden parachute retirement after one term in office. And that came when we were in the middle of our depression or recession, depending on whose definition you want to believe. I don't have a problem with political commentary at the end of a newscast. I do have a problem with them constantly giving commentary on what they are reporting. I think we need a good third party to give the two major parties a run for their money. Ross Perot had the best chance in recent years to start a new party. As long as we continue to elect lawyers to legislative office we will continue to have the problems we are seeing. We need to find men of conviction who vote their conscience, not their personal pocketbooks. And we need to hold them accountable. Perhaps this fiasco will wake up enough Americans that we can take back our country.

[Roadhog]

I've thought about the notion of a third party, and I don't believe it will ever work.
If there is any redemption, we would have to reform the Democratic and Republican parties.
Odds of that are like making them vote in term limits.

[GMAN]

The two parties are so entrenched that it would be difficult for a third party to really make an impact. I think the only way we will see term limits from congress is to put it on the ballot across the country and have the people vote on it. Even then, there will likely be a revolt from congress.

[GMAN]

Are you SURE that Reagan was such a conservative? IIRC, the term "big tent party" was originated during HIS campaign.



Actually, the way Reagan got elected was with the help of the "Reagan Democrats." That presupposes that he gained most of the "Independent" voters, and went BEYOND that to win over some registered Democrats (certainly NOT the liberals.)

The policy behind the "big tent" is not to include LIBERALS, but to include MINORITIES who tend to vote Democrat or Independent.

The Democrats of a few decades ago were more conservative than many of the Republicans of today.


I was born in '56. The first POTUS I remember was Kennedy. Since then, there has been only Nixon, Ford and the Bushes on the Republican side. In MY lifetime, Republicans have been responsible for "subverting the election process" (TWICE) and fighting a war for oil and nation building. (I exclude Bush I in this, because he did NOT overstep his mandate.)

I can't think of a time when the election was subverted by anyone.....unless you count all those dead people who come back every election year to vote for the Democrats.

The most prosperous and peaceful times for the middle class have been under Democratic rule with the possible exception of the gas crisis under Carter, which was due to circumstances unrelated to his policies.

Actually, the longest protracted war in our history was started and run under Democratic administrations. It was called Vietnam. It was started under JFK, escalated under the Johnson administration after the assassination of Kennedy and was ended under the Nixon administration, who was a Republican. Most of our major wars have come under Democratic administrations. Remember WWII? And this country does seem to prosper during war times.


I guess what I'm saying is.... Reagan was the most popular Republican potus in my lifetime BECAUSE he was considered to be "big tent" and was mostly untouched by scandal and didn't try to ram his religion down my throat!

There were plenty of his detractors who tried to knock Reagan down. They just were not successful. And if you don't like religion being jammed down your throat I am surprised you like Carter. He tried to convert leaders from other countries to Christianity during some of his summits.

I would really be interested in some information on how well CONSERVATIVES have done in the past (before my lifetime.) WHEN was the last time you Conservatives were "happy" with the government? Who was the potus? What was the world pardigm at the time?

I think that I was most happy with Reagan. I did well under his administration as well as with Nixon. Nixon was actually one of our better presidents, although he will likely most be remembered by the scandal over the breaking of Democratic HQ and the subsequent cover up. I doubt that we would be having some of the problems with China and a few others were he still running the country.

I believe that most of us who grew up during the 1950's and 1960's have had a distrust of our government since the JFK assassination and subsequent cover up. No one believed the Warren Commission findings. I think prior to that time we mostly trusted our elected representatives and government. Our suspicion and distrust has only grown since. This administration is likely to bring this country to a boiling point with a new high for governmental distrust. And it has nothing to do with party affiliation. Keep in mind that we had 3 major assassinations within a very short time frame. John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Robert F. Kennedy were all publicly assassinated within only a few years. With Vietnam going strong, this country was in turmoil. This country changed during the decade of the 1960's. It is nothing like the changes we are now seeing.

[Roadhog]

GMAN,

One problem with a third party candidate is what is their "real story?"
Take recent NJ Governor race Independent candidate Chris Daggett. Who was backing him? and how many times do we hear of an Independent candidate used to steal away votes from one party or the other. Just so much corruption these days, I can not feel comfortable with a three party system, unless we are successful at rehabilitating these political thugs and their criminal campaign organizers. Again, I can no longer see much happening in a positive direction in this Country. The ongoing insanity and corruption is so entrenched, widespread, and overwhelming.

Hell, they are even now playing politics with the 911 terrorists. For Gods sake...all the Democratic BS over this is utterly disgusting. The Democrats claim...well why didn't the Bush administration convict these guys? Democrats are history revisionists, and the TRUTH is being spelled out right now. Even that jackass Holder has to admit he knows they are guilty. But he has promised to put the Bush administration and the CIA on trial. WHY? hmmmm seems perfect to have a 3-4 year CIRCUS diversion to use as needed. I don't believe this is about convicting these terrorists. Most Americans can see that, regardless of what the Democrats so desperately wish to believe. Had the liberals not played political games, these creeps would probably already have swung from a rope. This is a National disgrace.

[GMAN]

I think you are right about a third party swaying the election. That is likely what happened when Perot ran a few elections ago. But we have to start somewhere. A third party would probably benefit one party or another. One problem with a third party is financing. Both the major parties have so many resources that it would be difficult for a third party to compete. Then again, Obama was able to raise many millions of dollars from unknown contributors via the Internet that probably swayed the election for him. The extra spending the Obama camp spend during the last few weeks likely made the difference. The McCain people ran out of money. Corruption is rampant in both parties and at every level of government. The majority of people have not even bothered to vote for so long that these politicians have had free reign and no one to hold them accountable that they think that they can do anything that they want with impunity. We don't have to SETTLE for what is offered. If we get people involved in our political process then there still may be time to turn things around.

There is absolutely NO reason why these terrorists should be brought to New York to stand trial. It is nothing but a political football game and grandstanding by these politicians. Security is likely to be a major problem and from reports that I heard this morning it will cost a fortune and create a nightmare for commuters and businesses in the area. Not only that but it will put it will also be difficult for the survivors with the daily media reports. These people should be ashamed to put these families thorough this circus.

[golfhobo]

There is absolutely NO reason why these terrorists should be brought to New York to stand trial. It is nothing but a political football game and grandstanding by these politicians. Security is likely to be a major problem and from reports that I heard this morning it will cost a fortune and create a nightmare for commuters and businesses in the area. Not only that but it will put it will also be difficult for the survivors with the daily media reports. These people should be ashamed to put these families thorough this circus.

The CURRENT mayor of New York disagrees with you. Also... the FORMER mayor of NYC (Guiliano) disagreed with you BEFORE he agreed with you!

The Chief of Police in NYC disagrees with you. Pretty much ANYONE who doesn't have a right wing agenda... disagrees with you!

[Glad Hand]

Irrespective of the fact that our economy is still in a severe recession and that unemployment rates continues to skyrocket through the roof and the fact that according to the government’s own numbers, the government is spending more than $1.4 trillion, which really is more than $1.8 trillion, than it is taking in, Obama’s priorities are to severely increase the budget deficits even further in the future by taking over healthcare in America via Obama ration-care and by taking over energy in America via cap and trade, which both together will not only massively increase the budget deficits in the future, but will also skyrocket the cost of living for average Americans at the same time it destroys jobs and does massive harm to the economy.

His other priorities are to take over education in America so that the left can control what our children are inculcated with, to silence the opposition at all cost by marginalizing them as kooks, radicals, extremists, and evil doers, and finally to fuel illegal immigration under the guise of comprehensive immigration reform, which will inexorably not only provide amnesty for at least 24 million illegal aliens already illegally living in the country, that will soon morph into over a 100 million new immigrants as soon as their immediate families are brought in and literally destroy our social infrastructure at the same time, but will also create massive new incentive for further illegal immigration in the future.

Indeed, if you look at everything Obama and his radical Marxist cronies have done since he became President, from putting Islam up on a pedestal, from incessantly apologizing to our enemies at the same time he also bends over backwards to appease them and deliberately alienates our allies, to prosecuting government workers, CIA personnel, and other intelligence personnel in order to make us defenseless, to bestowing constitutional rights on illegal combatant terrorists, to closing down Gitmo and proposing to transfer Islamofascist terrorists to the heartland of America, everything is clearly being orchestrated to harm and undermine this country and to hasten the day when ultimately the dollar will inevitably collapse and the government will be forced to fall, and it’s because Obama and his fellow Marxist travelers don’t see themselves as being citizens of the US but as revolutionaries and citizens of the earth, and as for as they are concerned America and capitalism are evil incarnate and must be brought down.

[Jackrabbit379]

I must say, this is very interesting. Most of this "political" stuff is plumb over my head, but it's nice. It's funny how so many folks have different strokes. Just kidding- It's funny how so many folks have different views, and opinions. I try to "cypher" (spelling) the big words, but this is interesting.

[GMAN]

The CURRENT mayor of New York disagrees with you. Also... the FORMER mayor of NYC (Guiliano) disagreed with you BEFORE he agreed with you!

The Chief of Police in NYC disagrees with you. Pretty much ANYONE who doesn't have a right wing agenda... disagrees with you!

I have no problem denying these terrorists the same rights guaranteed by our constitution. After all, our constitution is for American citizens, not terrorists who want to destroy this country. I have heard some people being interviewed including some of the families who lost loved ones in the attack on 9/11. They don't want to have to deal with the daily news clips about the ongoing trial. The courthouse where this trial will take place is one of the most highly trafficked areas of New York. It will give these terrorists a world stage from which to espouse their garbage. I don't have a right wing agenda. I have an American agenda. I don't think the survivors of these attacks have a right wing agenda. I do have compassion for the survivors. The grandstanding by these left wingers will likely be remembered when it comes time for them to be reelected. And as far as the mayor is concerned, he is not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. I have no idea what the chief of police might have to say about it. More than likely he would not want these people in his city with the accompanying security issues. Reports have put the cost at well into the millions. I would prefer that money to be spend on providing jobs rather than security for these terrorists. Since they have confessed I don't see a need for a trial. Just put them out of our misery.

[Roadhog]

The government obviously has a choice about where to try the 9/11 suspects. They are going to try some other inmates at Guantanamo Bay by military tribunal. So if that option is available, and you add all the associated risks with trying them in New York City, this makes no sense. I have yet to hear ONE compelling case for this decision. NOT ONE GOOD ARGUMENT.

This is simply the president himself wants to put Bush/Cheney and the CIA on trial, and divert attention from the problems his administration is having. A very stressful, dangerous, and costly CIRCUS trial, lasting for the next 3-4 years.

[Roadhog]

I must say, this is very interesting. Most of this "political" stuff is plumb over my head, but it's nice.

Wabbit...don't let us fool you, it's over ALL our heads!

[GMAN]

The government obviously has a choice about where to try the 9/11 suspects. They are going to try some other inmates at Guantanamo Bay by military tribunal. So if that option is available, and you add all the associated risks with trying them in New York City, this makes no sense. I have yet to hear ONE compelling case for this decision. NOT ONE GOOD ARGUMENT.

This is simply the president himself wants to put Bush/Cheney and the CIA on trial, and divert attention from the problems his administration is having. A very stressful, dangerous, and costly CIRCUS trial, lasting for the next 3-4 years.

Security is going to be a nightmare for the people and police of NYC. This is a useless waste of resources and puts the people of NYC at high risk. If I were the people of New York I would remember this when the time comes to elect a new mayor and representatives. These people obviously have no regard for their constituency. I agree that there is no good reason to move this trial to New York other than to take some of the heat off of the president and his administration. It is like a magician. He keeps your attention on one hand while he does something else with the other.

[DaveP]

Security is going to be a nightmare for the people and police of NYC. This is a useless waste of resources and puts the people of NYC at high risk. If I were the people of New York I would remember this when the time comes to elect a new mayor and representatives. These people obviously have no regard for their constituency. I agree that there is no good reason to move this trial to New York other than to take some of the heat off of the president and his administration. It is like a magician. He keeps your attention on one hand while he does something else with the other.

I say just bury them in the concrete sidewalks at the Trade Center site and from that day forward Americans can enjoy walking all over their sorry asses...

[Roadhog]

What astounds me is how insane must our President be, to have this mindset over this. Obama is either insane, and needs help, or he is evil-minded, and deliberately looking to hurt America, in many ways.

These terrorists are illegal combatants in an undeclared war, who wear no uniform and attack innocent civilians. They have NO RIGHTS!
No rights under the International Law.
No rights under the Geneva Convention.
No rights under the U.S. Constitution.

They were captured on foreign soil, and admitted guilt.
We have proof of their guilt. Everyone knows this to be true.

We have the right to shoot them anytime, anywhere. That is their justice.
Nothing more.

[GMAN]

Justice should be swift for these perpetrator's. Unfortunately, the media their lawyers will milk this for all they can. Since they have admitted their guilt there is no reason to even have a trial. They go before a judge and receive their sentence. There is no reason to take years to come to a decision of guilt when they have already admitted such. And when they are dead they should be buried in pig skins. It is their belief that they cannot go to heaven if they are buried in pig skins. If I remember correctly one of the generals who have been fighting this war did this in the early stages of the war and was shut down by the liberals. If they believe they cannot go to heaven if buried in pig skins and they commit mass murder then it would have a positive effect on our efforts to take any and all actions necessary to stop them. These people have been slitting the throats of innocents and yet there are those in this country who want to coddle them. We have an administration who protects the rights of these terrorists, yet spits in the face of our close allies.