Soldier goes postal

[golfhobo]

Google shooting and Ft. Hood to find all the details from whatever news source you trust.

Just in case some went to print too quickly..... the shooter is still alive and will survive.

[Twilight Flyer]

You know, I was talking to my wife about this yesterday when I got home…this was before they released the info on the shooter. Then we got the guy’s name and the story about how he was comparing suicide bombers to heroes. And that brought up the following questions.

How in God’s name, did the army end up with a fanatical Muslim extremist as a major and in a position to do this?

And more importantly, when are the retaliatory attacks going to come against the innocent Muslims in this country?

Because it will happen. People are so on edge right now about all the garbage going on in the world, they’re going to see this as another attack on our home soil. Muslims were under heavy rhetorical fire after 911…now with 8 years of simmering anger and hatred to fuel the fire, I have a feeling it’s going to get way out of hand and transfer from symbolic to realistic. I certainly hope it doesn’t, but I’ve lost a lot of faith in humanity in general and simply believe it to be unavoidable.

All that said, though, let’s not get it started on this board. I can understand the feelings. I’m just as angry, disgusted, and shocked as anyone else. But we need to take a step back and not pour gasoline on the fires. If we’re going to discuss this, great. If you want to let it all hang out against the piece of trash that did this, by all means, let ‘er rip. But don’t let this turn into a religious or race war on this board.

Thanks.

[ironeagle_2006]

Agreed ith you TF. When Gearldo Rivera Mr NO DEATH PENALTY wants him tried by TX so that way he will get the DEATH PENALTY that tell you anything. TTalked to a couple sal****er fish keeping friends of mine they are in Fort Sill and they have friends at Hood they are like let the Wives get ahold of the SOB that did this. Sorry Army wives are worse than Marinesa when it comes to screwing with them.

I called my SIL an Air Force wife what their feelings would be if this had happened at her base. Lets just say that Major better be GLAD he is under 24 HR gaurd if he was not he would be dead already from the wives. They can understand the deaths overseas however one of their own FRAGGING them is over that line. Especially when they are unarmed.

[bentstrider]

From what I read they said that the man was against being deployed, had an intention of wanting to stay "stateside".
All religious/race reasoning aside, I'm still baffled by those who sign up and are accepted for duty, then think they don't have to serve in a combat zone.

At the very least, this guy could've been relatively safe in Iraq or Afghanistan given his rank and MD position.
It didn't seem like they were going to be throwing him on the front lines or some other life-risking, combat-related position.

IMO, this guy never seemed to know what he was truly getting himself into from the get-go.
In the end, that over-confidence bought him alot of stress and now all of this drama he's going to have to deal with for however much longer he'll remain alive.

[Rev.Vassago]

How in God’s name, did the army end up with a fanatical Muslim extremist as a major and in a position to do this?

They didn't. But thanks for spreading the misinformation. The guy had "no religious preference" listed in his personnel records, and all the reports of him supposedly shouting Muslim phrases are coming from people who didn't witness this tragedy happening. The guy was upset about being deployed to the middle east, and he likely snapped. Making it about religion is just an attempt to divide.



Rev; would hope that you'd take your own advice about "not throwing fuel on the fire" when it comes to this story.

[dobry4u]

Rev; would hope that you'd take your own advice about "not throwing fuel on the fire" when it comes to this story.

X2

I read where the shooter was taken down by a female Army police officer (who was one of the injured )...

YOU GO GIRL!

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally, they had both the shooter, and the person who shot them, listed as dead. Just more misinformation that got spread around. Frankly, this "instant news" world we live in sucks. The lies and rumors get spread around like they are truth, and once the truth finally comes out, it takes forever to get the lies proven as such, if it can even be done at all.


Bye

[ssoutlaw]

They didn't. But thanks for spreading the misinformation. The guy had "no religious preference" listed in his personnel records, and all the reports of him supposedly shouting Muslim phrases are coming from people who didn't witness this tragedy happening. The guy was upset about being deployed to the middle east, and he likely snapped. Making it about religion is just an attempt to divide.



Rev; would hope that you'd take your own advice about "not throwing fuel on the fire" when it comes to this story.

No religious preference, now who is uninformed!!!
I guess you missed the phone interview with the cowards cousin! They asked him when he converted to Islam, his answer was, " He has always been Muslim"!!!!!
Listen, when you JOIN the military in war time, you know you take the chances of going to war!!!!
As far as making it an attempt to divide, if you listened to the interviews with his co workers he would make statements to other people about how we may deserve it and other sadisious remarks that should never have been uttered from an AMERICAN SOLDIER!!!! , so how does it not have anything to do with race or religion!!!! When you are a soldier, right or wrong, you protect your country and its people, and put them ahead of your beliefs!!! I would never say we should exterminate all Muslims, maybe the ones that wish to destroy us!!! From his actions and comments, he is one of the ones we should have been watching out for!!!! It doesn't matter what race or religion you are, you are a citizen of this country, you are American and should be given every consideration as anyone else in this country.... Until you prove different!!!!!This is just my opinion, like it or not!!!!

[Twilight Flyer]

Rev,

CNN News this morning reported that he was indeed a Muslim. So did Fox news. Both were radio news broadcasts that I listen to daily on my way to work and the news was coming from both sides of the media trench. I bracketed my comment with “fanatical” and “extremist” because I didn’t want to put all Muslims into the same bucket, although many people will, unfortunately. I am well aware of what I should and should not be posting and my comments were perfectly fine and within reason.

Fact is, it appears now that the Army did indeed have a fanatical extremist in a fairly high-ranking position and as a psychiatrist no less? Again, how in the world, with everything that is going on with the war on terror, does that happen? You’re fooling yourself if you don’t think 99% of Americans are asking that question right now. And you’re naïve if you think that a bunch of stupid, brainless idiots aren’t out there right now, planning on “getting even.”

[ssoutlaw]

Rev,

CNN News this morning reported that he was indeed a Muslim. So did Fox news. Both were radio news broadcasts that I listen to daily on my way to work and the news was coming from both sides of the media trench. I bracketed my comment with “fanatical” and “extremist” because I didn’t want to put all Muslims into the same bucket, although many people will, unfortunately. I am well aware of what I should and should not be posting and my comments were perfectly fine and within reason.

Fact is, it appears now that the Army did indeed have a fanatical extremist in a fairly high-ranking position and as a psychiatrist no less? Again, how in the world, with everything that is going on with the war on terror, does that happen? You’re fooling yourself if you don’t think 99% of Americans are asking that question right now. And you’re naïve if you think that a bunch of stupid, brainless idiots aren’t out there right now, planning on “getting even.”

Well, to stop these kinds of trash, we as a country would have to use the racial or religious profiling most hate! Get over it people, we just have to wait till something like this happens so we don't hurt anyone's feelings!!! Now that's politically correct!!!....lol

[Jackrabbit379]

That is messed up!
Actually, I heard about it on the cb radio last night. There was a college (football) game on, and I didn't listen to any news last night. I heard everyone talking about it, and it blew my mind. It still blows my mind.
Fort Hood aint that far from Huntsville. They should 'deploy' him over to Huntsville, and introduce him to the inmates as soon as he heals.
One of the reasons why he didn't want to get deployed, is probably because he's one of the playing cards, and didn't want to get "turned up" over there. He knew he was safe here.

It makes ya wonder how many more of them we have in our country's forts, bases.

[Twilight Flyer]

Well, to stop these kinds of trash, we as a country would have to use the racial or religious profiling most hate! Get over it people, we just have to wait till something like this happens so we don't hurt anyone's feelings!!! Now that's politically correct!!!....lol

I honestly don’t know what the answer is, but I’m willing to bet that the fallout from this, both immediate and long-term, will be far-reaching. As far as this particular situation goes, there seems to be a lot of red flags popping up. Doesn’t appear to be one of those “oh, he was so quiet” episodes. If these red flags turn out to have merit, why didn’t someone pick up on it? Lot of questions being asked that go far beyond the gunman himself.

[Rev.Vassago]

Rev,

CNN News this morning reported that he was indeed a Muslim. So did Fox news. Both were radio news broadcasts that I listen to daily on my way to work and the news was coming from both sides of the media trench. I bracketed my comment with “fanatical” and “extremist” because I didn’t want to put all Muslims into the same bucket, although many people will, unfortunately. I am well aware of what I should and should not be posting and my comments were perfectly fine and within reason.

Fact is, it appears now that the Army did indeed have a fanatical extremist in a fairly high-ranking position and as a psychiatrist no less? Again, how in the world, with everything that is going on with the war on terror, does that happen? You’re fooling yourself if you don’t think 99% of Americans are asking that question right now. And you’re naïve if you think that a bunch of stupid, brainless idiots aren’t out there right now, planning on “getting even.”

The NY Times disagrees, and cited proof that he wasn't (based on his personnel file). But no matter. That doesn't prove this shooting had ANYTHING to do with his religion, and the fact that you included it is part of that divide I was speaking of. In fact, every major news outlet I've read this morning all said the same thing - he wanted out of the army because he didn't want to be deployed to the Middle East. Why you are making it about his religion, even going so far as to call him a "radical Muslim", is beyond me. You're feeding into the hype. Adding fuel to the fire.

[Jackrabbit379]

I wouldn't trust the NY Times if they said that the sky is blue.
If I get banned, oh well, but whether he's a muslim or not, he's a dot head. I think "not wanting to get deployed" was a cop-out or an excuse to 'fulfill his destiny' as a terrorist. If his name was John Smith, than it might be that he just 'flipped out', and could be condoned. I think this Hasan is/was a terrorist. I believe they are all over our country. We just don't know who, or where they are until they decide to unload on us.
I know what I just said was not very nice to say, but I have a problem. I am plain spoken, and I speak my mind. I will take responsibility for saying this, and accept the disciplinary actions. Even having my membership of CAD terminated, if needed.

[Twilight Flyer]

I think you are completely missing my point. I am well aware of his desire not to go overseas and deploy. That being said, however, this whole thing has already been made out to be because he is a Muslim, like it or not. It’s in every story, on every news station…it’s everywhere.

Were I to be a Muslim, I would certainly want people thinking he was of the radical extremist sect and not indicative of Muslims in general. It goes that way with every religion or beliefs when some f’ing moron pops up and massacres someone, be it one or many. Whether we’re talking a Christian, Muslim, abortion foe, same sex marriage pro, etc. etc., the nutjobs should never be associated with the decent people as a whole.

Since we’re already on that line of thinking (remember, my original post was in reply to the post you deleted...I am assuming you also received the reported post notification and erased the post before I did) my whole point has been to separate him out from the decent Muslims.

[Twilight Flyer]

The more I think about it, I think this is where our disconnect is, Rev. My first post was in reply to a reported post, where the poster unloaded on Muslims in general. My reply was based on that post and not the first post that brought up the fact that he is a Muslim. With that post deleted (I was going to edit it myself), it now casts my original post in a different light and looks like I was the one that brought it up, which was not actually the case.

[Rev.Vassago]

So there was a shooting in Orlando today. 2 people dead so far, 6 injured. When can we expect to hear the religion of the shooter, so we can blame it on that?


Whatever. Go ahead and spread hate. Im done.

[Twilight Flyer]

As I said, whether we’re talking a Christian, Muslim, abortion foe, same sex marriage pro, etc. etc., the nutjobs should never be associated with the decent people as a whole.

I’m not getting what your problem here is. You’ve taken my original post completely out of context now, with the removal of the offending post. If you were the one that removed it, then you know what it said. And that being the case, you know that you are way out of line with your accusations.

I wasn’t the one that came in here and started hammering on Muslims. I correctly labeled this piece of garbage as an extremist, which puts him in an extreme minority. I’m having a hard time figuring out why you have a problem with that.

Unless every news station is wrong and his family is incorrect with their statements, the guy is a muslim. Does not his actions, by definition, make him an extremist and NOT indicative of the Muslim world as a whole?

Like I said, I’m not understanding this from you at all. It almost sounds like you’re defending him, the shooter.

[Rev.Vassago]

I correctly labeled this piece of garbage as an extremist, which puts him in an extreme minority. I’m having a hard time figuring out why you have a problem with that.

Extreme minority of what? American citizens? Sure.

Unless every news station is wrong and his family is incorrect with their statements, the guy is a muslim. Does not his actions, by definition, make him an extremist and NOT indicative of the Muslim world as a whole?

His religion has nothing to do with what happened. The fact that the major media outlets are focusing on it, and others are following suit, is despicable. I have a major problem with people labeling others based on their religious beliefs when their religious beliefs have nothing to do with what is being discussed. Until a report shows that it did, religion played no part in this tragedy. The guy was born and raised in America. He is an American citizen, nothing more, nothing less.

(AP) His name had barely been released, his heritage and history not immediately known, but the reaction was fast and furious.

"Jihad at Fort Hood?" read the headline of a post on the Jihad Watch blog just moments after Nidal Malik Hasan was identified as the alleged perpetrator of a mass shooting at the Texas military base that killed 12 people and wounded 31 others.

"The name tells us a lot, does it not, senator?" Fox News's Shep Smith said while interviewing Kay Bailey Hutchison, a Texas senator.

That is pathetic news reporting, and Faux News should be ashamed to have this idiot representing them.

Fort Hood Anti-Muslim Backlash Immediate - CBS News

[Rev.Vassago]

If I get banned, oh well, but whether he's a muslim or not, he's a dot head.

If you're going to use racial slurs, you might want to actually get them correct. That particular racial slur is for East Indians, most of which fall under the Hindu religion.

You are pathetic.