Soldier goes postal

[dobry4u]

Originally Posted by Roadhog

Timberwolf, continue to act like an ignorant self-centered condescending prique, and be treated as such.

Oops. Hoggie! Looks like it might be getting close to personal here. Is it necessary? Can't we just debate the subject? plz

[GMAN]

Dobry is correct. We can discuss issues without the name calling. Let's attack the position and not the poster.

[Roadhog]

Well, I've given this some thought, and there will be absolutely no apologies from me!

Dobry was the first one to point to the "crazy Christian," followed by Timberwolf. I can handle that knowing, it is typical treatment from liberals to make a Christian up to be "crazy" anytime a Christian mentions Prophesy, or aspects of this part of their belief. Armageddon is a distinct possibility in the Christian belief, and yet people seem to feel it is okay to ridicule Christians these days, for their beliefs. I tried to chuckle it off with Dobry. I gave Timberwolf a very fair chance as well, only he felt it necessary to take it further, as I saw it in relationship to my posts.

There are many reasons why Christianity is a threat to liberal thinking. We've been under attack for a long time, but now the liberals are full on assault, and it comes at whatever expense they see necessary. They need us out of the way, for them to advance their socialist agenda. All you have to do is look at some examples of how Christian women like Sarah Palin, or Carrie Prejean got relentlessly attacked for their beliefs. I won't bother citing hundreds of examples of how Christians are being viciously attacked, in this Country, let alone all over the World. Many evil people want us wiped off the face of the Earth! Any reasonable thinking American, can see for themselves. Right now it is better to be a Muslim in this Country. Liberals are now even stooping so low to give Muslim terrorists, US Citizen rights in the case of the 9/11 mastermind and 4 other murderous thugs, and looking for any excuse to make Maj. Hasan up to be a victim. This liberal thinking is insane.

After the post I made claiming the "crazy Christian" joke is no longer funny, I saw what I felt was a veiled attack. I felt the timing was not by chance, and the implications on purpose. I don't buy the hidden tactics and (spin-spin) no lines were crossed. I saw enough outrageous distortions of my God and Faith, and don't appreciate the liberal spin. If someone wants to discuss their religion, that is fine, but everything in context here was not about that, in my opinion. We all know enough not to cross certain lines here with each other. That gets brought up to the limit of just short sometimes, and we all know it!
Timberwolf even admitted he like to "toy" with people.

I'm sick of this liberal open season on Christians, in whatever veiled or otherwise attacks. I didn't start this, and escalated it in fair progression, and I ended up crossing lines, which I will not apologize for. I will do it again if anyone utters anything about my religion I find inappropriate, even if that makes me unwelcome here or down the street.

[Twilight Flyer]

There are many reasons why Christianity is a threat to liberal thinking. We've been under attack for a long time, but now the liberals are full on assault, and it comes at whatever expense they see necessary. They need us out of the way, for them to advance their socialist agenda. All you have to do is look at some examples of how Christian women like Sarah Palin, or Carrie Prejean got relentlessly attacked for their beliefs. I won't bother citing hundreds of examples of how Christians are being viciously attacked, in this Country, let alone all over the World. Many evil people want us wiped off the face of the Earth! Any reasonable thinking American, can see for themselves. Right now it is better to be a Muslim in this Country. Liberals are now even stooping so low to give Muslim terrorists, US Citizen rights in the case of the 9/11 mastermind and 4 other murderous thugs, and looking for any excuse to make Maj. Hasan up to be a victim. This liberal thinking is insane.

After the post I made claiming the "crazy Christian" joke is no longer funny, I saw what I felt was a veiled attack. I felt the timing was not by chance, and the implications on purpose. I don't buy the hidden tactics and (spin-spin) no lines were crossed. I saw enough outrageous distortions of my God and Faith, and don't appreciate the liberal spin. If someone wants to discuss their religion, that is fine, but everything in context here was not about that, in my opinion. We all know enough not to cross certain lines here with each other. That gets brought up to the limit of just short sometimes, and we all know it!
Timberwolf even admitted he like to "toy" with people.

I'm sick of this liberal open season on Christians, in whatever veiled or otherwise attacks. I didn't start this, and escalated it in fair progression, and I ended up crossing lines, which I will not apologize for. I will do it again if anyone utters anything about my religion I find inappropriate, even if that makes me unwelcome here or down the street.

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1…and on and on and on.

Gloves were off but well said.

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Now, let’s eliminate the religious discussion. It’s getting a little too heated to effectively moderate.

[Roadhog]

Thanks Twilight!...and I agree.
I've bit my tongue to shreds lately.

[Jackrabbit379]

I guess they are still investigating? I haven't heard much about it. Is Hasan still in the hospital? It shouldn't take 10 minutes to convict that whipper snapper.

[dobry4u]

Originally Posted by Roadhog

Dobry was the first one to point to the "crazy Christian," followed by Timberwolf. I can handle that knowing, it is typical treatment from liberals to make a Christian up to be "crazy" anytime a Christian mentions Prophesy, or aspects of this part of their belief.

Hmm... My comment about being ripe for alien take over wasn't a crazy Christian comment so much as it was in reference to disarming. If you took it as a "crazy Christian" comment, then The "peanut gallery" comment about bombing all the Muslims is more of a reference to the sort of thing that went on with Orientals in this country after Pearl Harbor. That wasn't a crazy Christian comment either.

ALSO, neither comment was a personal attack on anyone. I respect a person's right to state their beliefs and freely do so. What I do have a problem with is the personal attacks. Name calling isn't debating or stating beliefs whatsoever. It outright sucks.

[Roadhog]

Dobry,
I still view your response as I said, yet my beef was not with you. There was a sequence to this, and it did start mildly with some old worn out humor.

I'm not the only Christian really fed up right now, and maybe people need to realize where this is going, not only in this Country, but worldwide.
People are soooooo worried about the poor Muslims in this Country, while Christians are having to learn how to deal with the attacks made against them.
Like I said, it would be better to be a Muslim in America right now, than a Christian.

Like many Christians, I am biting my tongue over the anti-Christian rhetoric. I wish I had some experience dealing with this, but so far my idea of turning the other cheek, is to lean into the punch and hurt the crap out of some liberals fist with my nose.

We all need to step back right now, but frankly, I do not see that being realistic any time soon. Christians are under attack, and we are at War, with even our own American citizens. This is the real issue in my opinion. We are at War...and the liberals do NOT want to admit that. You can not get a liberal to even mouth the word terrorist. They want to take the rights and voice of Christians and give it to the terrorists. This Circus trial set for New York City will do just that...which is just one example of whats going on, and many of us see it for what it really is.


As for GMAN's comment, I disagree with you. In my opinion, that was no "peanut gallery" comment. We are in an undeclared War. It's time to act responsibly, and declare this a War once and for all. Our enemies are coming out of the Muslim community worldwide. They do not wear a uniform, and are illegal combatants, killing innocent civilians. They are both committing acts of War, and Terrorism. They have no rights in any way shape or form, and damn the liberals for giving them any rights and a platform. Our Military better get with the program, and shove the liberal PC nonsense right up the Commander in Chiefs butt for him to use as an artificial spine. This nonsense with Maj. Hasan is a disgrace as well.

Liberals are going to be shocked into reality, after it's too late. Just like they are so happy to ride the Obama train to bankrupt Marxist Amerika, and then wonder what happened.

[TimberWolf]

I have to agree with the name calling situation as well, but it is what it is. Most of us are guilty of it at one time or another.
my initial post to you or glad hand did not contain any personal attacks of any sort, you guys took it to that level because you did not agree with my opinions and you felt they were a personal attack on you and christanity while in reality they are just my opinions. In "MY OPINION" that is the stereo typical behavior of most Christians/religious personal I have personaly come in contact with during my life. "Talk The Talk, but fail to Walk The Walk". Reminds me of a sermon I once heard Ted Haggard complete about the evils of homosexuality and drug use in today's America. I disagree with the core beliefs of all Organized Religion as it creates a seperation from others that are not in that particular group. In my mind that is wrong, so I have created my own little religion that works for me. I am not asking you to belong altough you are welcome if you like, I am not asking that you agree, I just don't want the personal attacks for my beliefs. This is the exact reason why nothing gets solved in our Government as everyone is to busy calling the other side idiots and the exact reason why I lable myself dysenfranchised, both sides suck.... Until they can get past the childish attacks on one another nothing will ever be truly right.

Roadhog I don't want an apology from you nor do I expect one you are of no consequence to my life so it is not needed. I in turn am not going to apolgize for my beliefs as well and I will continue to post them on this board just as you are able to do the same. Now that you know you disagree with my core belief cycle you can stay away from my post or responses and not have to worry about getting your dander up over my "Pseudo PC Liberal words"
Just for the record my intial posts were not meant to toy or jab at you and your belief system they were simply my opinions on religion, any sequencial connection you may have conjured up was purely coincidental.

Repectfully,

Timberwolf

[Roadhog]

This would have been an appropriate time to hear from the Muslims condemning this terrorist attack, as well as from President Obama. I still am hearing nothing, but a bunch of progressive liberals having extreme difficulty mouthing one simple word, [terrorist] but they can easily say, victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith. It makes me angry that liberals must protect their agenda over truth and justice.

I believe Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a Jihadist coward and a terrorist. I believe he based his attack upon radical Islamic religious beliefs. I do not care what his crybaby problems are, because none of it gives excuse for his well thought out, and executed brutal attack.

On a related point... I believe that everyone should have a fair trial, including those offenders that have abandoned their humanity.
I like this quote by Judge Roy Bean.

"Mr. Harden, it's my duty to inform you that the larceny of an equine is a capital offense punishable by death, but you can rest assured that in this Court a horse thief always gets a fair trial before he's hung." - Judge Roy Bean

I feel we should hope and pray to protect the Freedoms and Rights of every American citizen, and guest of our Country, individually and as a Nation together, no matter what their personal beliefs, long as they are not our enemy. I'm not seeing any cooperation or leadership, and I'm disgusted by how politicized and PC our military has become.

Long as the Islamic Americans do not condemn radical Islam, and Sharia Law that allows fathers to murder their own daughters on American streets, then I personally am going to have a hard time trusting any of them. Continuing to remain silent as they all did recently at their day of prayer in Washington D.C., then I have to question whose side are they on? They had a perfect opportunity to speak out to America and the world, and they remain silent today.

No I take that back, not silent, actually we have American Muslims praising the Ft. Hood shooting. This video is one that is still up on YouTube.
Some videos were so offensive, they have already been removed.
YouTube - REVOLUTION MUSLIM STREET DAWAH: 06-11-2009

[GMAN]

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As for GMAN's comment, I disagree with you. In my opinion, that was no "peanut gallery" comment. [/quote]


That wasn't my comment, Roadhog. I don't think that our true enemy is Islam as much as liberalism. It is like a cancer that has taken over this country and many others throughout the world. It has enabled Islam to become a strong presence in many countries. We may be headed toward a modern day "Crusade" where we will once again see Christians and Muslims in conflict with the winner ruling the world. Before this is over we may see Christianity outlawed and believers martyred. We are seeing history once again repeating itself.

[Roadhog]

This is the quote being referred to;

Originally Posted by GMAN

Maybe instead of fighting a war in Afghanistan and Iraq we need to have a Christian Jihad. Declare war on the Muslim infidels.

Originally Posted by GMAN

That wasn't my comment, Roadhog. I don't think that our true enemy is Islam as much as liberalism.

I'm sorry, but I didn't get the link to liberalism in that quote.

However, I do agree with you about liberalism as being our biggest national threat.

[Roadhog]

Let's sing the "bomb everyone that looks Muslim" song, shall we???

and a 1 and a 2...



This was the peanut gallery...and I loved this!

...but first children, lets sing...MMMM MMMM MMMMM Barak Husein Obama

[GMAN]

Our country started it's liberal decline during the 1960's and 1970's. Madeline O'Hare forced the issue of taking the Bible out of our schools. It came at the perfect time. Vietnam was going strong and there was much protesting in the streets against the war and the blacks were also protesting for equal rights. This country and our core values were put into question. I think that there is a direct link to taking the Bible out of our schools and the current situation in which we see ourselves engaged. Children were taught values from the beginning. If they didn't get it at home they received it at school. You cannot have a society without limits. We MUST have a set of core values. In this country that is based upon Christian values. While there is no "Separation of Church and State" in our constitution, most people believe that to be the case. We have a freedom OF religion in this country, not a freedom FROM religion. Conservatives and Christians have long turned the other cheek and not stood up for our values. We have gone from a nation of personal responsibility and freedom to a reliance on government and a willingness of the people to give up their freedoms for a government check. Hopefully, it is not too late to turn things around.

[Roadhog]

I remember loving to stand and place my hand over my heart, and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Even at the age of 5, I remember knowing much about President Dwight D. Eisenhower, and listening to my Dad tell stories of WWII. We were brought up to be Patriots, and religion gave us moral compass. A man lived by his word and reputation. Children respected their elders, and learned the value of a dollar, and hard work.

I remember the racial tensions, and riots, and the Marxist movement. Allot of good things began to happen, as well as bad. For awhile there I felt we came out of all that better as a Nation, but it was some years later, I realized the Marxist movement never stopped. This slide to liberalism though has always angered me, and I have honestly many times tried to understand that point of view. They have turn the blacks back into slaves and undid every good thing that was accomplished by Dr. Martin Luther King. That is why today, I am not struggling with it what so ever. I have spent years grappling with it.

[dobry4u]

I am not so quick to point fingers at one specific cause of the world situation. That would be like walking through life with blinders on. As far as the economy, as time progresses, so does a world economy evolve. That's a fact, Jack.

And as far as the humanitarian road the world as a whole seems to walk on is far too complex to blame it on Muslims or Liberals. Look at the United States of America as an example. What if we blame the two income families who need both households to work to survive financially in the lifestyle they have chosen. Lots of children being raised in a "non-family" and more of a business environment. Those children have grown and see life in a different prospective than prior generations. And as parents, did we compensate our absences with buying those kids everything they want? Make them into "instant gratification" beings?

I acknowledge that the above paragraph seems a tangent, but in reality, it does deserve recognition. I am not so quick to blame any specific argument as to the conditions of the world. Does the current backdrop show Armageddon? Or will it occur centuries later? Is the answer really to point fingers at every shadow?

The Earth could be annihilated by meteors tomorrow, is that Washington's fault?

[GMAN]

The South was pretty conservative during that time. Southern Democrats of that day were more conservative than the most conservative Republicans of today. For the most part this country wasn't so violent as a whole. There were violent protests, but most of them were pretty tame. People were passionate. Whites were discriminated against in the name of equality and because of previous discrimination against blacks. No longer was the best qualified given the job. Blacks and other minorities were given preferential treatment in the job process. That is still true with many government positions. Lyndon Johnson's "New Deal" program started a very slippery slide into greater socialism and a reliance on government rather than taking personal responsibility. It was the beginning of a decline in social values. Drugs were rampant in colleges across this nation. Promiscuity was encouraged. The birth control pill helped push this along. It was rare for a woman to abort a baby and if a guy got a girl pregnant then they usually got married. Women burned their bra's in the name of freedom. More women entered the workforce and those who didn't were chastised if they wanted to stay home and raise their children. There was a lot of unrest. Many changes took place. Today's liberalism was born during this time. Those who marched and took their drug of choice are the same ones who are running our government. I suppose that explains a lot.....

[GMAN]

Originally Posted by dobry4u

What if we blame the two income families who need both households to work to survive financially in the lifestyle they have chosen. Lots of children being raised in a "non-family" and more of a business environment. Those children have grown and see life in a different prospective than prior generations. And as parents, did we compensate our absences with buying those kids everything they want? Make them into "instant gratification" beings?

During the 1960's and 1970's you could earn a decent living on minimum wage. It would not be an extravagant lifestyle, but you could live and raise a family. If more money was needed it was usually the man who got another job. Things began to decline when women entered the workforce enmasse. Parents delegated their parental responsibility to others while they went off and pursued what made them personally happy. It became "All about me." The children didn't seem to matter. We now see the results.




Does the current backdrop show Armageddon? Or will it occur centuries later? Is the answer really to point fingers at every shadow?

The Earth could be annihilated by meteors tomorrow, is that Washington's fault?

We can see the future by reading the Bible. The groundwork is being laid and world events are leading to Armageddon. Everything predicted in the Bible, so far, has come true. While I believe we are living in the end times as defined by the Bible, we are told in scriptures that we will not know the exact time. We are given signs leading up to the final conflict. Most of those signs are currently in place. We are told that the earth will be destroyed by "Fire and brimstone." Whether that is a huge meteor or nuclear missiles, we won't know until it happens. I don't condemn anyone for not believing, but I also don't want to be condemned for my beliefs. We are beginning to see an all out attack on Christians and Christian beliefs. It was more subtle in years past. It has become more blatant in recent years.

[dobry4u]

Originally Posted by GMAN

We can see the future by reading the Bible. The groundwork is being laid and world events are leading to Armageddon. Everything predicted in the Bible, so far, has come true. While I believe we are living in the end times as defined by the Bible, we are told in scriptures that we will not know the exact time. We are given signs leading up to the final conflict. Most of those signs are currently in place. We are told that the earth will be destroyed by "Fire and brimstone." Whether that is a huge meteor or nuclear missiles, we won't know until it happens. I don't condemn anyone for not believing, but I also don't want to be condemned for my beliefs.

No condemning here. We could be in our last days ... and the last days could mean generations ahead. While this maybe factual, it isn't qualifying carte blanche to be "haters" or less harsh.. finger pointers. I believe there are loads of passages in the Bible that preach the opposite.

[Roadhog]

Originally Posted by dobry4u

I am not so quick to point fingers at one specific cause of the world situation. That would be like walking through life with blinders on. As far as the economy, as time progresses, so does a world economy evolve. That's a fact, Jack.

And as far as the humanitarian road the world as a whole seems to walk on is far too complex to blame it on Muslims or Liberals. Look at the United States of America as an example. What if we blame the two income families who need both households to work to survive financially in the lifestyle they have chosen. Lots of children being raised in a "non-family" and more of a business environment. Those children have grown and see life in a different prospective than prior generations. And as parents, did we compensate our absences with buying those kids everything they want? Make them into "instant gratification" beings?

I acknowledge that the above paragraph seems a tangent, but in reality, it does deserve recognition. I am not so quick to blame any specific argument as to the conditions of the world. Does the current backdrop show Armageddon? Or will it occur centuries later? Is the answer really to point fingers at every shadow?

The Earth could be annihilated by meteors tomorrow, is that Washington's fault?

Dobry,
I agree the situations we face are wide spred and complex. The very acts of liberalism are to complicate and overwhelm the system. It is difficult to separate some things, but I am quite certain of the root issues. Many things are out of our control, but some things we can control, especially if we go to the root of a problem.

Our leadership is one root problem. Look how they do not live within a budget. Look at how they spend us into oblivion. Thing is... this is by design. No one can be this irresponsible and ignorant, if not on purpose. The liberals wish to destroy the free market. You see... many people in the world do not have our standard of living. The Marxists want to bring those people up, and us down. It's called redistribution of wealth. (THEFT) If they get their way, you and I will be working for $20/day...so those people who make $2/day can be brought up to $10/day. One World Marxist Government. Goodbye America.

There are many economic complications that have altered the true American path. But just as there are millions of Americans who have no common sense with money and credit, there are millions of Americans who have been responsible. ( and we're the one's paying for all the bailouts ) In my community, most families live within their means, other than some younger families who have moved here from the Cities, who dazzle you with mighty riches, and now those are the homes in foreclosure... not the homes of the locals who have lived here and learned to only buy what they can afford. Lately you may have noticed it was our liberal leadership who pushed people to buy into homes they could not afford. They are trying to repeat the same mistake...only this is really no mistake on their part. The government will look to gather land and resources of this Country. Why? When the dollar collapses, that is where the only value will remain. The government is already renting out the foreclosed homes. Welcome your new Landlord. Land and Resources will be the new Gold Standard, and they will gather it up.

Today, almost everyone feels its acceptable to lie. Our leadership lies to us all the time, and think nothing of it. Today, people do not want to accept responsibility for their actions. Many do not even see themselves as responsible for anything they have done, and look to blame others. Again, that is exactly what you see happening with our leaders. I just watch Timmothy Geitner yesterday struggle to blame Bush, and the dog, and anything or anyone but himself. Obama still has not owned up to his responsibilities either, and his nickname is Oblamo. Fitting. Root of the problem is liberalism. The liberal government does not want you to have any self-respect or dignity. They have been dumbing down America and indoctrinating through education for years. The youth are by-products of this. Family structure was the first casualty.

Are you honestly concerned about the current backdrop of Armageddon? I guess I sense cynicism. But this is a very sincere subject and it is absolutely not based upon wild crazy doom and gloom, long bearded, poster carrying, sackcloth and sandals, sideshow freak stuff.
For your sake, I won't keep you in suspense. The world will end at exactly ---[ 6:66 GMT Friday November 13th in the year 2009 of our Lord.]