Soldier goes postal

[ironeagle_2006]

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Very true Roadhog.

I remember hearing this somewhere. IIRC it was on one of the News shows. Not every Muslim is a Jihadist HOWEVER EVERY JIHADiST IS A MUSLIM.

Remember this everyone who declared a holy war on their own religion in the 80's Iran did against Iraq over OIL. Then Al-Queadadid the same to us when they attacked us yet the DUMMYCRATS in Washington refuse to admit that we need to attack harder than we are.

Hearts and minds will never work against a religion called go in there release everything we have in the arsenal up to WMD's and let the world know if we are attacked again THOSE COME OUT. Let the radicals know that if they attack us again in any way the next target would be MECCA and if it came to it WIPE THAT FREAKING CITY OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH WITH A EITHER A PEACEKEEPER OR A TRIDENT MISSLE. Then let them know the next attack would result in Medina getting the same treatment as Mecca. If they still refused to get the freaking message we then wipe the Mound of the Rock OFF. Sooner or later they would get the message that we are NOT SCREWING AROUND.

HELL EVEN THE JAPANESE GOT THE MESSAGE AFTER SEEING HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI GROW A MUSHROOM CLOUD. AT LEAST THE EMPORER DID AND ORDERED THE SURRENDER.

[Flatbed]

Interesting discussion so far, and one that makes me shake my head in amazement at some of the information posted as fact.

Y'all do know, Islam and Muslim are not the same thing, right?

Oh, and another term for you... Islamism ... which is different from both Muslim and Islam.

Everyone tries to place all these groups in the same basket and ignore the fact that they are all very distinctly different in not only their beliefs, but their actions.

Glad Hand, you have done a lot of reading, that's obvious from your posts. You need to read more though, to widen your topic list away from the books and references that seek to vilify everyone who follows the teachings of Muhammad.

For anyone with an open mind, here is a reference about what the religion really is .. from a reliable source:

Islam

I am a christian btw, I am just tired of seeing so many people demonize an entire group of people just because their religion has been corrupted by a few radicals.

[DaveP]

Interesting discussion so far, and one that makes me shake my head in amazement at some of the information posted as fact.

Y'all do know, Islam and Muslim are not the same thing, right?

Oh, and another term for you... Islamism ... which is different from both Muslim and Islam.

Everyone tries to place all these groups in the same basket and ignore the fact that they are all very distinctly different in not only their beliefs, but their actions.

Glad Hand, you have done a lot of reading, that's obvious from your posts. You need to read more though, to widen your topic list away from the books and references that seek to vilify everyone who follows the teachings of Muhammad.

For anyone with an open mind, here is a reference about what the religion really is .. from a reliable source:

Islam

I am a christian btw, I am just tired of seeing so many people demonize an entire group of people just because their religion has been corrupted by a few radicals.

YOU are the one who should RE-read that webpage.

They are different things...not different groups.

A Muslim (person) is an adherant (read: FOLLOWER) of Islam (the religion)...

[RostyC]

I'll wait for trail, you know, the justice system. I don't believe a hoot of what I hear, either side.
Then I'll decide.

Or.............. we could round up all Muslims and put them in camps, gas em, or bake em, shoot em and their children oh wait......... that's been done before, how'd that turn out?

[Roadhog]

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..........................A Liberal will not believe his own lying eyes.

[Mackman]

Or.............. we could round up all Muslims and put them in camps, gas em, or bake em, shoot em and their children

Sounds good to me. I will go out and start rounding them up. I will be over in little with the 1st load Rosty.

[TimberWolf]

Gladhand keep living in your world as I want no part of it. It is a world of fear a world that lacks trust, a sad world in my opinion as with my other post this is just my opinion so please think real hard as to how you would like to belittle my thoughts as ludicris and outragous, oh and lets not forget that real nasty word Liberal leftwing. Once again life is to short to worry and I don't need anymore grey hairs, none of this will be solved in our lifetimes. You can pick apart my post all you like as I can do to yours it will still not solve anything, kind of like the democrats and republicans. Just for the record I am so far from being a liberal I even have a CWP and I belong the the NRA. In fact I have for many years on this board used the term dysenfranchised. I couldnt care less about politics or religion they are of no consequence to me they are filled with hypocrites and liars so why bother. My it is what it is attitude comes from years of watching this country fall apart because everyone thinks they are right and feel the need to push their agendas on everyone else. That goes from watching numerous religious leaders talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, it comes from watching numerous politicians talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, it comes from the general freedoms we have as a country that we use and abuse on a daily basis we take for granted. IT IS WHAT IT IS... I quit playing a long time ago, I use this board as a way to express some of my opinions fulling understanding that there will be people such as yourself who disagree with me. SO???? ask me if it has any effect on my daily living? what's done is done and if the day comes that Islam takes over the USA (highly doubtful) but if it does then I will take that road when it comes to me, in the mean time I choose to live for my family, I choose not to live in fear and distrust of my fellow humans, I choose so many things that can be construed as right wing and left wing so I guess that makes me a intween wing. I refuse to live in fear of others, you and the other right wing fanaticals have that handled just fine, by the way thank you for that as all that stress from worry and hate would most likely cause me to have a heart attack or stroke, not worth the effort..
Have a nice day...

Timberwolf

[GMAN]

It seems to me as though the only groups or people that have attacked U.S. citizens have been Muslims. Of course, we can't profile these people because it isn't politically correct. It is much better to target granny from Des Moines sitting in a wheel chair. We can't hurt anyones feelings. Being politically correct is killing this country. It throws common sense out the window. These "Muslims" have declared war on the west, especially the U.S. Frankly, I am surprised that we have not had more attacks on our citizens by these nut cases. When we have been at war there have been those who have been targeted and watched in order to protect the citizenry. Those who have attacked our citizens have associated themselves with Islam. That is something that some seem to over look. Had they not specifically stated at some point that they were attacking our citizens in the name of "Allah" or "Islam", then I don't think we would be having this discussion. When Timothy McVay blew up the building in Oklahoma he never stated that he was doing it in the name of Christianity. In fact, I don't recall that his religion or lack thereof was ever mentioned. I think that until Muslim leaders begin to critize these people and their actions we will see more people who believe that it is the entire Muslim community who supports these actions. Perhaps they do. The silence is deafening.

[Twilight Flyer]

Frankly, I am surprised that we have not had more attacks on our citizens by these nut cases.

Well, with the type of people that are running the government these days, better get ready for a healthy dose of it.

Still, I don’t know what we’re all worried about. The world is going to end in 2012…the Mayan’s said so. I’m off to the movie theatre tomorrow to watch the documentary on what it’s going to look like.

[Glad Hand]

Gladhand keep living in your world as I want no part of it. It is a world of fear a world that lacks trust, a sad world in my opinion as with my other post this is just my opinion so please think real hard as to how you would like to belittle my thoughts as ludicris and outragous, oh and lets not forget that real nasty word Liberal leftwing. Once again life is to short to worry and I don't need anymore grey hairs, none of this will be solved in our lifetimes. You can pick apart my post all you like as I can do to yours it will still not solve anything, kind of like the democrats and republicans. Just for the record I am so far from being a liberal I even have a CWP and I belong the the NRA. In fact I have for many years on this board used the term dysenfranchised. I couldnt care less about politics or religion they are of no consequence to me they are filled with hypocrites and liars so why bother. My it is what it is attitude comes from years of watching this country fall apart because everyone thinks they are right and feel the need to push their agendas on everyone else. That goes from watching numerous religious leaders talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, it comes from watching numerous politicians talk the talk but fail to walk the walk, it comes from the general freedoms we have as a country that we use and abuse on a daily basis we take for granted. IT IS WHAT IT IS... I quit playing a long time ago, I use this board as a way to express some of my opinions fulling understanding that there will be people such as yourself who disagree with me. SO???? ask me if it has any effect on my daily living? what's done is done and if the day comes that Islam takes over the USA (highly doubtful) but if it does then I will take that road when it comes to me, in the mean time I choose to live for my family, I choose not to live in fear and distrust of my fellow humans, I choose so many things that can be construed as right wing and left wing so I guess that makes me a intween wing. I refuse to live in fear of others, you and the other right wing fanaticals have that handled just fine, by the way thank you for that as all that stress from worry and hate would most likely cause me to have a heart attack or stroke, not worth the effort..
Have a nice day...

Timberwolf

I have no fear whatsoever and it’s not fear that motivates or drives me. However, I abhor ignorance, especially the kind of ignorance that fosters and leads to 9/11 terrorist attacks, to the Fort Hood terrorist attack, and to the endless other Islamic terrorist attacks that have taken place in the USA and around the world and that are still taking place around the world every day exactly because of self-hating PC multicultural enablers like you that are addicted to cultural relativism.

I have no doubt that politically correct Muslim apologist like you believe that I’m intolerant, an Islamophobe, and a bigoted ignoramus. Nevertheless, I have forgotten more about Islam, Muslims, and Islamic history than you will ever come close to knowing.

Thus, unlike you I’m not blinded by political correct multiculturalism and blind allegiance to cultural relarivism. Therefore, when I see Muslims that have migrated out of the Dar al Islam (domain of Islam) and into the Dar al Harb (domain of unbelief) without exception no matter where it is in the world refusing to assimilate and integrate, I don’t blindly ignore it. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that in every Muslim country in the world where dhimmi non-Muslims are unfortunate enough to live in the Dar al Islam, those dhimmi non-Muslims again without exception are always institutionally discriminated against, often killed, and horribly oppressed by Muslims. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that wherever it is in the world where the Dar al Islam borders the Dar al Harb, there is rampant terrorism, endless violence, extensive bloodshed, and genocide taking place that is instigated by Muslims. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that in every country in the world that has enabled Muslims to immigrate, those countries again without exception have become the victims of incessant Islamic terrorist attacks and have been forced to double and triple their homeland security budgets just to accommodate Muslims and their excess baggage. Unlike you I don’t turn my head and deny the obvious reality because unlike you I’m not addicted to cultural relativism.

It is people like you and your ilk that foster and enable Islamic terrorist attacks to occur all around the world because of your blind allegiance to cultural relativism. Not to mention that Fort Hood will not be the last Islamic terrorist attack that will take place in this country because people like you are far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than you are about stopping and preventing future Islamic terrorist attacks, and it is people like you in this country that is preventing any real debate from taking place about Islam and Muslims.

With respect to your idiotic claim to being apolitical, you are free to say and deny whatever you want, however, it is obvious to the rest of us that you are radically leftwing, especially since at the slightest hint of discussion of Islamic terrorism, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity since Christians are not perpetrating terrorist attacks all around the world and citing Bible passages to justify terrorist attacks, you go into instant rabid attack Christianity mode just exactly like all your fellow leftwing secularists like you have been indoctrinated and programmed to do.

In any event, in the end I have no doubt that it will be concluded that the perpetrator of the Islamic driven and motivated terrorist attack at Fort Hood will eventually be declared psychotic, a real debate and discussion about Islam and Muslims will be averted again, and the stage will be set for another Islamic terrorist attack to happen again sometime soon in the future.

[GMAN]

Well, with the type of people that are running the government these days, better get ready for a healthy dose of it.

Still, I don’t know what we’re all worried about. The world is going to end in 2012…the Mayan’s said so. I’m off to the movie theatre tomorrow to watch the documentary on what it’s going to look like.

Unfortunately, I think you are correct with the current crop of politically correct ideologs we have in our government these days. They are setting the stage for 2012. Let me know how the world turns out in the movie.

[GMAN]

It is people like you and your ilk that foster and enable Islamic terrorist attacks to occur all around the world because of your blind allegiance to cultural relativism. Not to mention that Fort Hood will not be the last Islamic terrorist attack that will take place in this country because people like you are far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than you are about stopping and preventing future Islamic terrorist attacks, and it is people like you in this country that is preventing any real debate from taking place about Islam and Muslims.

In any event, in the end I have no doubt that it will be concluded that the perpetrator of the Islamic driven and motivated terrorist attack at Fort Hood will eventually be declared psychotic, a real debate and discussion about Islam and Muslims will be averted again, and the stage will be set for another Islamic terrorist attack to happen again sometime soon in the future.

Early reports that I heard had commentators stating the the perpetrator had a "Muslim sounding name." They were afraid to even mention that the guy was a Muslim. There are pockets of Muslims in this country who come here and want to stay apart from the rest of the country. The same could be said of others, such as the Hispanic community. As long as they stay apart it will be difficult to find common ground and to assimilutate. One problem we have with some immigrants who have come to this country in recent years is that they are not assimilating into our society. They want to keep their own society while enjoying the benefits of the U.S. I think that the more the media and politicians try to down play that this guy was a Muslim terrorist the more resentment and hatred will be fostered. You cannot solve any problem unless you are willing to confront it. If you want to come to the U.S. then you should be willing to learn the language and assimilate into our society. A common language can help bring people together.

[Glad Hand]

Interesting discussion so far, and one that makes me shake my head in amazement at some of the information posted as fact.

Y'all do know, Islam and Muslim are not the same thing, right?

Oh, and another term for you... Islamism ... which is different from both Muslim and Islam.

Everyone tries to place all these groups in the same basket and ignore the fact that they are all very distinctly different in not only their beliefs, but their actions.

Glad Hand, you have done a lot of reading, that's obvious from your posts. You need to read more though, to widen your topic list away from the books and references that seek to vilify everyone who follows the teachings of Muhammad.

For anyone with an open mind, here is a reference about what the religion really is .. from a reliable source:

Islam

I am a christian btw, I am just tired of seeing so many people demonize an entire group of people just because their religion has been corrupted by a few radicals.

You know Flatbed most people in the world like you totally misunderstand Islam and Muslims because of the useful idiot incompetents that have hijacked and co-opted our government. Indeed, people like you have been misled to believe that Islam means peace, that Islam is a religion of peace, and that Muslims can be divided into the so-called moderate camp and so-called radical fundamentalist extremist camp, with the latter trying to quote, unquote, “hijack the peaceful religion of Islam.”

Indeed, as for as you are concerned all Muslims are so-called moderate Muslims unless they have explosives visibly strapped to their bodies or are otherwise videotaped lopping off the heads of unfortunate kafir unbelievers while hollering Allahu Ackbar (God is great!) in emulation of Muhammad, the uswa hasana, the perfect Muslim and excellent example for emulation.

Amazing as it is, in order to deny reality you guys have actually bought into the idiotic and extremely racist notion that divides Muslims into two camps, the so-called moderates and the so-called radical fundamentalist extremists. Not to mention that in your world all Muslims are considered to be so-called moderate Muslims, until of course they aren’t. Imagine if the world divided Americans into moderate camps and radical fundamentalist extremist camps. We would all be hollering racism! Yet, somehow you all gullibly swallow this asinine and ridiculous absurdity without question.

Indeed, are there so-called moderate Chinese and so-called radical fundamentalist extremist Chinese? Nothing could be more absurd and ludicrous, yet millions of people around the world mindlessly buy and swallow this garbage lock, stock, and barrel every day without question and they couldn’t be more stupid for doing so.

Moreover, because of rampant ignorance most people today naively and mistakenly believe that the only thing we have to fear from Islam and Muslims is terrorism itself, which is a form of jihad. However, terrorism as a form of jihad employed by Muslims is the least ubiquitous and least effective form of jihad that the Muslims employ to further their cause, which is world domination. As a matter of fact, non-violent forms of jihad that are employed via stealth are actually employed far more often and far more effectively than terrorism ever is and presents a much greater threat to our continued existence than the employment of terrorism does.

For instance, thanks to stealth forms of jihad, the House of Saud and the Gulf States through the judicious use of the money weapon have hijacked and co-opted the Middle East Studies departments in our colleges and universities since in the ‘70s, and as a result since then only a white washed version of Islam is taught in our colleges and universities today, while students at the same time are also inculcated to hate Israel and Jews.

Another example of stealth jihad thanks to the use of the money weapon is our illustrious State Department is far more loyal to the interests of the House of Saud and the Gulf States than it is even to America, as pedaling influence is a very useful form of jihad that has been employed far more effectively than terrorism has ever been by the Dar al Islam to further their interests.

You know we often hear the admonition that not all Muslims are terrorists but virtually all terrorists are Muslims. Well, it is also true that ALL devout Muslims are also jihadists, while not all Muslims are terrorists. However, the vast overwhelming numbers of Muslims prefer to participate, take part, and pursue non-violent stealth forms of jihad, which for the most part operates completely underneath the public’s radar of scrutiny.

Indeed, the three forms of stealth jihad most often employed by Muslims the world over today would be demographic conquest, the use of the money weapon, and campaigns of Dawa. Thus, while because of ignorance most people are concerned almost exclusively about Islamic terrorism, I, on the other hand, am far more concerned by the stealth forms of jihad that are aggressively being pursued in this country and also around the world with impunity because of the extreme ignorance and naivety of Islam that is inherent in our society today thanks to the very effective employment of the money weapon that exploits and fosters this unawareness.

You see there is a reason that people today are far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than preventing terrorist attacks from occurring in the future and it is because of the judicious and very effective use of the money weapon form of stealth jihad that has been employed very successfully by the Dar al Islam. There is a reason that the alarm bells with respect to the Muslim major that perpetrated the Islamic motivated and driven terrorist attack at Fort Hood were all ignored. Again, it is because of the judicious and very effective use of the money weapon. There is also a reason that there is still no debate in this country about what Islam really is, and again it is because of the judicious and very effective use of the money weapon. Additionally, there is a reason that most people who step forth in order to try to educate people about the threat of Islam are dismissed as being Islamophobes and bigots today, and again it is because of the judicious and very effective use of the money weapon.

Therefore Flatbed, when you ask me to read material that intentionally white washes what Islam really is and that was paid for thanks to the money weapon, please forgive me if I take a pass since I’m not nearly as easily fooled or otherwise blindly addicted to cultural relativism as you are, and unlike you I thoroughly understand the threat to our continued existence that emanates from Islam.

[geeshock]

I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists but if they believe in Allah, they have the potential. We keep a close eye on the militias, even though not all are going to be another McVey. We should keep an eye on Muslims, especially the ones that believe in Islam. It might rase a few hairs but it is the truth.Wish I still had those books I read. Might be something online. The ppl in these books are from the middle east and formerly schooled in muslim/islamic ways. They are brought up to hate Israel and any one that supports them. These ppl have since converted to Christianity and are working hard to convert others. They state that most ppl who covert to muslem/islamic beliefs aren't violent like they are in the middle east but since the koran and the other religous writings that dictate their following are quite specific about non-islamic ppl and have such an intolerence there is a fine line between the passive convert and what we label as extreamists.

[TimberWolf]

I have no fear whatsoever and it’s not fear that motivates or drives me. However, I abhor ignorance, especially the kind of ignorance that fosters and leads to 9/11 terrorist attacks, to the Fort Hood terrorist attack, and to the endless other Islamic terrorist attacks that have taken place in the USA and around the world and that are still taking place around the world every day exactly because of self-hating PC multicultural enablers like you that are addicted to cultural relativism.

I have no doubt that politically correct Muslim apologist like you believe that I’m intolerant, an Islamophobe, and a bigoted ignoramus. Nevertheless, I have forgotten more about Islam, Muslims, and Islamic history than you will ever come close to knowing.

Thus, unlike you I’m not blinded by political correct multiculturalism and blind allegiance to cultural relarivism. Therefore, when I see Muslims that have migrated out of the Dar al Islam (domain of Islam) and into the Dar al Harb (domain of unbelief) without exception no matter where it is in the world refusing to assimilate and integrate, I don’t blindly ignore it. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that in every Muslim country in the world where dhimmi non-Muslims are unfortunate enough to live in the Dar al Islam, those dhimmi non-Muslims again without exception are always institutionally discriminated against, often killed, and horribly oppressed by Muslims. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that wherever it is in the world where the Dar al Islam borders the Dar al Harb, there is rampant terrorism, endless violence, extensive bloodshed, and genocide taking place that is instigated by Muslims. Unlike you I don’t ignore the fact that in every country in the world that has enabled Muslims to immigrate, those countries again without exception have become the victims of incessant Islamic terrorist attacks and have been forced to double and triple their homeland security budgets just to accommodate Muslims and their excess baggage. Unlike you I don’t turn my head and deny the obvious reality because unlike you I’m not addicted to cultural relativism.

It is people like you and your ilk that foster and enable Islamic terrorist attacks to occur all around the world because of your blind allegiance to cultural relativism. Not to mention that Fort Hood will not be the last Islamic terrorist attack that will take place in this country because people like you are far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than you are about stopping and preventing future Islamic terrorist attacks, and it is people like you in this country that is preventing any real debate from taking place about Islam and Muslims.

With respect to your idiotic claim to being apolitical, you are free to say and deny whatever you want, however, it is obvious to the rest of us that you are radically leftwing, especially since at the slightest hint of discussion of Islamic terrorism, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity since Christians are not perpetrating terrorist attacks all around the world and citing Bible passages to justify terrorist attacks, you go into instant rabid attack Christianity mode just exactly like all your fellow leftwing secularists like you have been indoctrinated and programmed to do.

In any event, in the end I have no doubt that it will be concluded that the perpetrator of the Islamic driven and motivated terrorist attack at Fort Hood will eventually be declared psychotic, a real debate and discussion about Islam and Muslims will be averted again, and the stage will be set for another Islamic terrorist attack to happen again sometime soon in the future.

Gladhand,
I am so amazed at how well you know me with out ever even holding any sort of real conversation with me other then interepting my words to fit your haterd. You have managed to interpret my post to fit what ever anger is in your heart and managed to do the stereo typical Christian Right Wing attack on persons who disagree with your beliefs. I am neither PC or aplogetic. I am just a man who lives for his family first nothing more nothing less. I have gone over my post a few times now and fail to see where I have apoligized for Islam let alone anything that may stand out and show I have enabled any one to do anything against our country. If it makes you feel superior to state such, have at it. Argueing with you is like having an arguement with a five year old minus your ability to use the English language you will never let up I find it funny that my words have got you so upset that you feel you need to respond with such vile hate. You are so far lost in what is going on in this world that it has control over your ability to hold a decent debate/conversation with others, you imediatley result to personal attacks. That has really got to suck for you to go through life with such vile hate towards others who do not see things your way. From the beginning of time every race, country, religion, etc has had something to fear, that is humanity, that is life, all I am doing is choosing not to let it control my daily living and for some reason that bothers you. Gladhand life is to short relax dude you are wound up way to tight.....

You say Christians do not create terriorist attacks then please explain to me what it is called when a christian puts a gun to a DR's Head and pulls the trigger because he performs abortions, That seems like some sort of terrorist activity to me, I am quite sure they ramble some sort of bible verse when they are doing such whether it be in their head or out loud. They are doing it in the name of religion just as islam states they are doing.
You say I have created a rabid attack in my post now that is truly funny your level of interpretation is skewed as none of my post are filled with haterd rants directed at you personaly as your's are to me. I simply stated my opinion on organized religion, and because you feel differently you imediatley attcked me and my beliefs. As far as my knowledge of islam or any other religion I think I have already clearly stated I have no desire to do such so please feel free to continue forgetting what ever you like as once again I couldnt care less.
My father spent 28 years of his life to our country 3 years in the navy and 25 years in the Army, retired as a Full bird and is a veteran of the South Pacific, South Korea and South Vietnam. I know first hand what our soldiers do for our country as I was there July 4th 1969 when my father left for Vietnam, I have personaly seen what war does to a human being and what the aftermath does to the families left behind, so don't try to paint me as some sort of none caring PC liberal you have no clue who I am or what I stand for, you mearly took a blanket statement concerning my opinions on organized religion that had nothing to do with the original post and used them to fuel your haterd for those who do not see things the same as you..

Relax.... it is just life, not meant to be taken so seriously.

Timberwolf

[Roadhog]

Still, I don’t know what we’re all worried about. The world is going to end in 2012…the Mayan’s said so. I’m off to the movie theatre tomorrow to watch the documentary on what it’s going to look like.

From what I've heard... ONLY the Christian world was destroyed.

[Glad Hand]

Gladhand,
I am so amazed at how well you know me with out ever even holding any sort of real conversation with me other then interepting my words to fit your haterd. You have managed to interpret my post to fit what ever anger is in your heart and managed to do the stereo typical Christian Right Wing attack on persons who disagree with your beliefs. I am neither PC or aplogetic. I am just a man who lives for his family first nothing more nothing less. I have gone over my post a few times now and fail to see where I have apoligized for Islam let alone anything that may stand out and show I have enabled any one to do anything against our country. If it makes you feel superior to state such, have at it. Argueing with you is like having an arguement with a five year old minus your ability to use the English language you will never let up I find it funny that my words have got you so upset that you feel you need to respond with such vile hate. You are so far lost in what is going on in this world that it has control over your ability to hold a decent debate/conversation with others, you imediatley result to personal attacks. That has really got to suck for you to go through life with such vile hate towards others who do not see things your way. From the beginning of time every race, country, religion, etc has had something to fear, that is humanity, that is life, all I am doing is choosing not to let it control my daily living and for some reason that bothers you. Gladhand life is to short relax dude you are wound up way to tight.....

You say Christians do not create terriorist attacks then please explain to me what it is called when a christian puts a gun to a DR's Head and pulls the trigger because he performs abortions, That seems like some sort of terrorist activity to me, I am quite sure they ramble some sort of bible verse when they are doing such whether it be in their head or out loud. They are doing it in the name of religion just as islam states they are doing.
You say I have created a rabid attack in my post now that is truly funny your level of interpretation is skewed as none of my post are filled with haterd rants directed at you personaly as your's are to me. I simply stated my opinion on organized religion, and because you feel differently you imediatley attcked me and my beliefs. As far as my knowledge of islam or any other religion I think I have already clearly stated I have no desire to do such so please feel free to continue forgetting what ever you like as once again I couldnt care less.
My father spent 28 years of his life to our country 3 years in the navy and 25 years in the Army, retired as a Full bird and is a veteran of the South Pacific, South Korea and South Vietnam. I know first hand what our soldiers do for our country as I was there July 4th 1969 when my father left for Vietnam, I have personaly seen what war does to a human being and what the aftermath does to the families left behind, so don't try to paint me as some sort of none caring PC liberal you have no clue who I am or what I stand for, you mearly took a blanket statement concerning my opinions on organized religion that had nothing to do with the original post and used them to fuel your haterd for those who do not see things the same as you..

Relax.... it is just life, not meant to be taken so seriously.

Timberwolf

You are utterly hilarious! First you try to deny the obvious that you are a PC leftwing fanatic and then accuse me of spewing hatred to prove that you are PC leftwing fanatic and also without proving or demonstrating one single thing that I said about Muslims is untrue and thus can remotely be construed as hate speech, unless you believe that legitimate criticism somehow constitutes hate speech. Which wouldn’t surprise me in the least since you are afflicted to the hilt with PC multiculturalism and cultural relativism.

Then immediately after you finish denying what you obviously are, you compulsively turn around and launch into another feeble attack against all Christians again, even though what happened at Fort Hood was perpetrated by a Muslim and has nothing whatsoever to do with Christians, and somehow you wonder how it is I can deduce that you are a fanatical leftwing radical. Isn’t it obvious?

Maybe it is because only totally indoctrinated leftwing radicals react compulsively by attacking Christianity at the first whiff that Muslims may have been involved in perpetrating another terrorist attack. It’s like a light switch has been flicked on or something with you guys, as all fanatical left-wingers for some reason reflexively go into instant attack Christianity mode just like clockwork and in perfect three-point harmony in order to apologize for Islamic terrorism and at the same time demonize and vilify Christians, as if it would somehow cover up the ugly reality of the Islamic driven and motivated terrorist attacks and make us all more safe. I would really love to learn the mind control techniques that the leftwing elites use with you kool-aid drinkers because it works so perfectly to inculcate so many minds like yours to react in perfect conformity.

Anyway, in launching your compulsive tirade against Christians again, you not only demonstrated one more time that your mind has been conditioned to react as such, but you have also demonstrated that you are as ignorant of Christianity as you are of Islam, and ignorance is the hallmark of leftism.

By the way, for the record I’m agnostic and have no horse in this race. Nice try though. Oh and there is a difference between fear and oblivious naivety to the extreme.

[Glad Hand]

Any of you ever wonder how a Muslim Imam would advise a Muslim that has joined a kafir infidel military? I’m betting some of you guys will find the following interesting.

"It may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these [Infidel] armies so as to learn their secrets"

In the wake of the Fort Hood jihad massacre, Muslim leaders in this country are preparing a fatwa on the permissibility of serving in the U.S. military. It is likely to differ from this one, but the answers from this site are on the whole more respected than anything that comes from Muslims in the West. Islam-QA is a very popular site for Muslims to get answers to questions they have, and the late Muhammad Uthaymeen is very respected as well -- even in the West.

"Military service in kaafir armies and working as a "chaplain" in those armies," from Islam QA.

What is the ruling on Muslims serving in the military of non muslim country ? What is the evidence for its permissibility or prohibition?
And lastly, what is the status of a Muslim working to help those in the military to fulfill their obligations to Allaah while serving in the Army, Navy, or whatever?

Praise be to Allaah

"Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds. Military matters are problematic, because they involve helping these kuffaar to wage war against the Muslims or those who have entered into a treaty with the Muslims. If no such thing is involved, it may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these armies so as to learn their secrets and be aware of their potential evil. In other words, if working in these armies could be of benefit, it may be permissible, otherwise it is not allowed."

On this basis, if a person works as a preacher or daa'iyah or imaam or muezzin, serving the Muslims and calling non-Muslims to Islam, then there is nothing wrong with this.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid


Then there's this:

It is not permissible for a Muslim to fight with kaafirs against the Muslims at all
I work in the army of a non-Muslim state, and there are wars between them and the Muslims. What is the ruling if they send me with a division of this army to wage war against the Muslims? As a Muslim, my feelings are that I never want to fight against Muslims in any war.
What should I do?
What is the ruling if I go...?

Praise be to Allaah.

If you are sent to wage war against the Muslims, then it is not permissible for you to take part at all. Helping the kaafirs against the Muslims is a form of major kufr which puts one beyond the pale of Islam. Allaah says concerning one who supports the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):

"And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa', i.e., friends), then surely, he is one of them"[al-Maa'idah 5:51] [Koran 5:51]

With regard to how you may get out of this situation, and what excuse you can give to get out of this dilemma if it happens, we ask Allaah to help you, and we suggest that you consult some Muslims who have relevant knowledge or experience.

We want to emphasize to you the necessity of finding other employment and of leaving service in the army of the kaafirs, because that implies helping them, strengthening them and increasing the numbers of their fighters and supporters - unless your work can bring some benefits to the Muslims, such as giving information and secrets of the kaafirs to the Muslims so as to help the Muslims, or if your work is purely da'wah, such as giving khutbahs and leading prayers for the Muslims in the kaafir army whilst also advising them to avoid any work that will strengthen the kaafirs. We ask Allaah to keep you safe from temptation and to give you a good end in this world and in the Hereafter.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Click the following for more and then scroll up:

"It may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these [Infidel] armies so as to learn their secrets" - Jihad Watch

[TimberWolf]

WOW WEE,
Boy oh boy you sure got my number Glad Hand, Man it must be awesome to carry such a level of superior personality, it is so intemidating to even think we share the same message board. I am just in awe of you and you're knowledge of Islam and Christianity and life in general Damn, you go boy!!!! And to top it off you are Agnostic, it just keeps getting more exciting with each sentence you type, I am shaking with excitement that you have even blessed my post with your expertise of life not to mention you are able to talk for others on this board as well, Maybe you should apply to become a board moderator I hear there may be an opening.

You are the King, Praise be to Glad Hand (Allah) A God amongst us feeble minded liberals

Again I am in Awe, complete shock, utter amazement, & pure bliss, in fact you are kind of turning me on and I am a heterosexual male..

YOU ROCK....


Timberwolf

[Ridge Runner]

Let's try to stay to debating the topic instead of turning this into a TWO MAN pissing contest. ( Hint,hint )