Soldier goes postal

[Glad Hand]

"this" is the kind of ignorant racist remark that got this thread locked the first time.

Curious…if I make the statement that everywhere in the world where Muslims have immigrated to non-Islamic countries in mass without exception they have refused to assimilate and integrate, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that everywhere Muslims have immigrated to the non-Islamic world in mass those countries soon became the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that in non-Islamic countries where Muslims have not yet immigrated to in mass those countries have not become the victim yet of Islamic terror attacks, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that in every Islamic country in the world, all 57 of them if you consider the disputed territories in Israel to be an Islamic state, without exception non-Muslim dhimmis that are unfortunate enough to be stuck living in an Islamic state, as a rule are always horribly discriminated against and harshly oppressed, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If you believe that Islam is a harmless and peaceful religion similar to other religions then by all means please demonstrate it. For instance, can you point to just one single instance of war (jihad) when an Islamic state or entity fought against each other or against non-Islamic kafirs when the Muslims fighting didn’t resort to emulating their Prophet Muhammad by employing the tactics of total warfare, that is by resorting to using their own brethren as human shields, their own children as soldiers (jihadis), the targeting of innocent women, children, and the elderly non-combatants, and by always resorting to terrorism while at the same time they accuse their enemies of being terrorists? Not to mention, if you can only point to one single incident, what does it say about all the other incidents?

The reality is Muslims never willingly adhere to western law, international law, or otherwise. They only adhere to Islamic Sharia law because to do otherwise would be blasphemy, and blasphemy like apostasy in Islam is punishable by death.

Thus, if I ask you other than honor killings, genital mutilation, oppression of gays, institutionalized oppression of women and non-Muslim dhimmis, institutionalized prejudice against all non-Muslim dhimmis and kafirs, extreme bigotry against Jews and other non-Muslims, riots against Israel, rampant anti-Semitism, worldwide riots against Muhammad cartoons, riots and condemnation against any and all criticism of Islam, legitimate or otherwise, Islamic supremacism, refusal to assimilate and integrate, backwardness, barbarianism, intimidation, constant demands for Islamic Sharia Law, subversion to remove all obstacles to the eventual imposition of Islamic Sharia Law, incessant claims of victimhood, false, fake, and non-existent claims of discrimination, exploitation of our freedoms and laws for the purpose of subverting us and using those laws against us, threats of terrorism, and Islamic terrorist attacks, what do Muslims have to contribute to America that makes all their excess baggage worth it? Could you answer that question and at the same time prove that that question is racist even though it is all demonstrably true and therefore constitutes legitimate criticism?

[Ridge Runner]

Curious…if I make the statement that everywhere in the world where Muslims have immigrated to non-Islamic countries in mass without exception they have refused to assimilate and integrate, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that everywhere Muslims have immigrated to the non-Islamic world in mass those countries soon became the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that in non-Islamic countries where Muslims have not yet immigrated to in mass those countries have not become the victim yet of Islamic terror attacks, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that in every Islamic country in the world, all 58 of them if you consider the disputed territories in Israel to be an Islamic state, without exception non-Muslim dhimmis that are unfortunate enough to be stuck living in an Islamic state, as a rule are always horribly discriminated against and harshly oppressed, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If you believe that Islam is a harmless and peaceful religion similar to other religions then by all means please demonstrate it. For instance, can you point to just one single instance of war (jihad) when an Islamic state or entity fought against each other or against non-Islamic kafirs when the Muslims fighting didn’t resort to emulating their Prophet Muhammad by employing the tactics of total warfare, that is by resorting to using their own brethren as human shields, their own children as soldiers (jihadis), the targeting of innocent women, children, and the elderly non-combatants, and by always resorting to terrorism while at the same time they accuse their enemies of being terrorists? Not to mention, if you can only point to one single incident, what does it say about all the other incidents?

The reality is Muslims never willingly adhere to western law, international law, or otherwise. They only adhere to Islamic Sharia law because to do otherwise would be blasphemy, and blasphemy like apostasy in Islam is punishable by death.

Thus, if I ask you other than honor killings, genital mutilation, oppression of gays, institutionalized oppression of women and non-Muslim dhimmis, institutionalized prejudice against all non-Muslim dhimmis and kafirs, extreme bigotry against Jews and other non-Muslims, riots against Israel, rampant anti-Semitism, worldwide riots against Muhammad cartoons, riots and condemnation against any and all criticism of Islam, legitimate or otherwise, Islamic supremacism, refusal to assimilate and integrate, backwardness, barbarianism, intimidation, constant demands for Islamic Sharia Law, subversion to remove all obstacles to the eventual imposition of Islamic Sharia Law, incessant claims of victimhood, false, fake, and non-existent claims of discrimination, exploitation of our freedoms and laws for the purpose of subverting us and using those laws against us, threats of terrorism, and Islamic terrorist attacks, what do Muslims have to contribute to America that makes all their excess baggage worth it? Could you answer that question and at the same time prove that that question is racist even though it is all demonstrably true and therefore constitutes legitimate criticism?

Can you provide the source where you got these "facts"? I'm not saying they are not in fact "fact", but please provide the resource to back up your statements. I'm not picking on you here and your post is not over the line IMHO. I am saying don't be surprised if you get called out on your statements. Be prepared to back them up with something other than just your opinion. I'm sure there are others here that would love the chance to pick apart your post. As long as it is done without personal attacks, racial slurs and such....... feel free to debate it among yourselves.

Honest, respectful, free debate....... what a concept!


Ridge

[Glad Hand]

Can you provide the source where you got these "facts"? I'm not saying they are not in fact "fact", but please provide the resource to back up your statements. I'm not picking on you here and your post is not over the line IMHO.

Source? My sources consist of the thousands of articles, research papers, and more than a hundred books that I have read regarding Islam, Muslims, and the history of Islam since 9/11/2001. I follow anything and everything having to do with Islam and Muslims very closely and everything I have mentioned above is true and thereby contitutes legitimate criticism, unless you think you can prove anything I said above isn’t true or is exaggerated. Good luck?

Thus, you see I am not a racist in any way since my criticisms are all based on reality, are all true, and are therefore legitimate, unless you have a problem with legitimate criticism and the exercise of freedom of speech thereof and in which political correct multiculturalism, which has afflicted our society like the Bubonic Plague afflicted the world in the Dark Ages, attempts to severely limit.

Nevertheless, there is a worldwide campaign led by the Saudi sponsored Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) which is making a very concerted and well financed attempt to silence any and all criticism of Islam legitimate or otherwise, and in this campaign they are using our own laws and freedoms very effectively against us.

I'm sure there are others here that would love the chance to pick apart your post.

If you or anyone else for that matter think you can “pick apart my post” then by all mean make my day. There would be nothing I would enjoy more than proving you or anyone else wrong.

As long as it is done without personal attacks, racial slurs and such....... feel free to debate it among yourselves.

No problem although I can operate either way since I’m very thick skinned and excel at giving back much better than I receive.

[golfhobo]

Glad Hand:

I don't have time to check your "facts," and I'm not here to debate the Muslim existence. The simple answer to your main group of questions is... no. Assuming your statements are true and correct, or even that you THINK they are, the nature of your statement is not IMHO considered to be "racist."

[Twilight Flyer]

Assuming your statements are true and correct, or even that you THINK they are, the nature of your statement is not IMHO considered to be "racist."

Hobo is correct and I agree with him.

Gladhand’s statements might not be politically correct and may even be considered narrow-minded, but they are not racist.

People are entitled to opinions, even if we/you do not agree with them.

[Glad Hand]

Fair enough.

[golfhobo]

However Golf why are they refusing to discuss the last case of a Muslim going NUTS. In 2003 a 101st Sargent throwing Gernades into tents in Kuwaitt and killing multiple Officers. Fox brought that up and so far has been the only one to do so.

Yes, I heard this claim made on Fox. However, the difference between you and me is that I don't blindly believe everything said on Fox.

[Glad Hand]

Gladhand’s statements might not be politically correct and may even be considered narrow-minded, but they are not racist.

I agree with your assessment, however, I fail to see how it could be considered narrow-minded as long as it is the truth, unless it is the dissemination of the truth that you consider to be narrow-minded, and in that case I do not agree. Moreover, it is not my fault if the truth is not pretty or politically correct, as the truth is the truth.

[Glad Hand]

Yes, I heard this claim made on Fox. However, the difference between you and me is that I don't blindly believe everything said on Fox.

Claim? It’s not a claim. I remember the incident very well. A convert to Islam was staged with the troops in Kuwait just days before the initial invasion. Very conflicted with maybe having to kill fellow Muslims in the ensuing invasion he did what most devout Muslims in that situation would do, he attacked the non-Muslim kafirs in his midst, and in his case he waited until 14 of his superiors were convened in a tent for a planning session, he lifted to bottom of the tent up, and rolled a live grenade into the tent which then detonated killing and maiming many of those attending that meeting. That Muslim was subsequently convicted of his crime.

By the way, it was also reported not only by Fox News, but also by every new organization in the USA.

[golfhobo]

Claim? It’s not a claim. I remember the incident very well. A convert to Islam was staged with the troops in Kuwait just days before the initial invasion. Very conflicted with maybe having to kill fellow Muslims in the ensuing invasion he did what most devout Muslims in that situation would do, he attacked the non-Muslim kafirs in his midst, and in his case he waited until 14 of his superiors were convened in a tent for a planning session, he lifted to bottom of the tent up, and rolled a live grenade into the tent which then detonated killing and maiming many of those attending that meeting. That Muslim was subsequently convicted of his crime.

By the way, it was also reported not only by Fox News, but also by every new organization in the USA.

Pay attention to the parts I highlight when responding to posts. I was addressing Ironeagle's "claim" that ONLY Fox had brought up the event you are talking about. O'Reilly and Hannity LOVE to claim that they are the only ones covering certain angles of stories, but they lie. CNN has mentioned the earlier case as well. They just aren't centering their coverage of this incident around it's relationship to past events.

Ironeagle was repeating almost verbatim the "talking points" made by Fox personalities in their effort to sound more important and patriotic than the so-called MSM.

Hope that clears the air for us.

[BigDiesel]

Looks like things have changed here...... All of this drama over a ( I guess you didn't get the part about use of such language ) murdering 13 innocent people........

Or did you think Rev's little rant about no moderation on the board was a new standard? Try to pull that crap again and you WILL be out on your ass ASAP.

Classy......

[geeshock]

Although I do not believe all Muslims are terrorist threats I do believe the seed is there. Any country helping Israel is viewed as a threat. Might be a narrow view but if you think about it ...

the greatest population of Muslim and Islamic nations are in the middle east
since the politics of the region generally dictate the peoples point of view I see many of thees countries burning American flags as well as Israeli flags. I think that's a good sign they don't like us very much
most terrorist attacks are Muslim/Islamic in nature

On top of these quick notes I have read many books written by ppl who have converted from Islam and Muslim, they all have the same intolerance for non-Muslims and the same msg. First the Jew, then the christian. A truly Muslim POV has extreme intolerance for anything non-Muslim. I'm not backing over zealot Christians ether even though I classify myself as a christian Jew. The Spanish inquisition, many holy wars, the conflicts in Europe, and even the hulicost was partly the responsibility of ppl that calmed they were doing this for their christian reasons.

I guess my point of this post, other than to point out my views based on the facts I have gathered is that if they knew he was Muslim, it should have flagged him. As much as we like our democracy, the military is anything but. The day the military tries to be if the day it fails.

[TimberWolf]

By nature any type of organized religion divides and seperates from others who do not belong to their tribe (so to speak) That is why IMHO I think religion is a farce... My creator did not set out to seperate humanity or dictate whom to take as your savior. My creator's ideal dream was one world, one life & good hearted souls..

IMAGINE----What the world could accomplish with this type of mind set...


Timberwolf

[geeshock]

actually I can agree with you for the most part, we all have differences in how we see things. I might try and argue my points but in the end I'm not going to beat you up becuse you don't see things exactly my way.

[Glad Hand]

By nature any type of organized religion divides and seperates from others who do not belong to their tribe (so to speak) That is why IMHO I think religion is a farce... My creator did not set out to seperate humanity or dictate whom to take as your savior. My creator's ideal dream was one world, one life & good hearted souls..

IMAGINE----What the world could accomplish with this type of mind set...


Timberwolf

If anyone studies in depth what Islam really is, they wouldn’t equate it like you just did with being a religion like any of the other religions. Although Muslims claim Islam is a religion, it is more similar to Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and other totalitarian mind control ideologies but it incorporate some religious aspects to compel its adherents to be more devout, loyal, and fervent to its ideology. As a matter of fact, it would be far more accurate to classify and consider Islam as being a cult and especially a death cult since it inculcates its adherents to love death more than they love life.

You see the word Islam in Arabic means to submit and in Islam all adherents are required to submit to the will of Allah at the same time that they must also surrender their own free will. Thus, a Muslim is forbidden from exercising his or her own free will, as exercising one’s freedom of conscience is considered to be blasphemous.

Therefore, a Muslim who exercises his or her own freedom of conscience to apostatize from Islam, for instance, is supposed to be executed. Or a Muslim who exercises his or her own freedom of conscience to question the words in the Koran, which is considered to be the immutable and uncreated will of Allah as delivered by Muhammad, Allah’s final messenger, is considered to be blasphemous, and is also an executable offense. However, in both circumstances a Muslim must be given the opportunity first to repent and then if they refuse, they will be executed.

However, curiously and very revealingly to outsiders there is one exception to this rule. If a Muslim blasphemies Muhammad, the holy prophet, as opposed to blaspheming Allah (God), he or she doesn’t get their one chance to repent and is to be executed without exception.

Thus, if Muslims blasphemy the holy prophet Muhammad as opposed to Allah (God) the punishment curiously is more severe, which you would think should be a dead give away to Muslims, but apparently the impulse to be a slave to Allah is so strong that Muslims never question it.

In any event, the worldwide Muslim riots over the Muhammad cartoons were a clear illustration of this curious aspect of Islam, as Muhammad is the uswa hasana, the perfect model and excellent example for emulation, and the main problem with this aspect of Islam is that Muhammad was completely obsessed with killing or subjugating non-Muslim kafirs.

Hence, with all due respect your attempt to morally equate Islam with other religions and denominations with those acts of Islamic terrorism that took place at Fort Hood with the adherents of those other religions and denominations is not only exceedingly lame but it is also ludicrous as well. As it is primarily only Muslims exclusively that are using their religious texts and tenants to justify their many thousands of acts of Islamic terrorism taking place not only over here in America but also all around the world. Therefore, your attempt to use the acts of that Islamic terrorist at Fort Hood to denigrate and condemn all religions I’m sorry is not applicable or valid with all due respect.

In any case, even after almost a week since the Fort Hood atrocity occurred it appears that the powers that be are still trying there best to attribute these acts of Islamic terrorism to anything and everything else but what it really was, at the same time that they are also far more concerned about preventing a backlash against Muslims than ensuring that something like this tragedy never happens again. Thus, we can expect more Islamic terrorist attacks inside this country to occur in the future as we move forward.

I mean it’s clear that General Casey, the army chief of staff, couldn’t be more of a blind politically correct moonbat, and it is very sad to see that our military, like every other institution in America also, has now been fully hijacked and co-opted by the left. Lord help us all!

[TimberWolf]

Glad Hand,
One can look at Christianity the same way, their goal is to make you more devout, loyal, believe, faithful, and so on, all religions have this same goal.. In the past they have all used violence to get what they want.
Judism believes a wife should be submissive as does Christianity, now granted in this day and age some have relaxed on those beliefs but none the less they are still practiced by many across the world so I have to disagree with you Islam is a religion..

I am not educated in islam nor do I care to waste my free time looking into it as, "it is what it is" and life is to short to worry about others that you have no control over. We will never ever be able to completely control the terrorist activity that occurs in our world on a daily basis and has for many centuries, in one form or another.
My educational background is in hospitality services so we really did not delve into the teachings of the worlds religious beliefs or backgrounds, however I kind of have to think that since Islam has been around since the 6th century it can not be ruled as fascism ,nazism, or any other type of ism for that matter. The word fascism has not even been around for a hundred years.

Just like every other religion you have different sects, Liberals, in betweeners and fundelmentalist wackos. The terriorist being part of the wacko group, they are no different then the Westboro Baptist Church minus the violence. However one can argue that Westboro preaches violence and condones it as well. You can argue you're points to me until you are blue in the face I won't care. Islam is a religion and has been since the 6th century long before anyone coined the words fascism, nazism, or communism.

I disagree with the docterine of their core beliefs just as I do Catholics, Christians, or any other type of organized religion. Seperation of the human race has lead to the decline of humanity and at some point could lead to the decline of our world all together.

Just for the record please show me where I referenced Fort Hood in my post or anything concerning the attack there, as the way I read my post it has nothing to do with what happend at Fort Hood and everything to do with religion. A Blanket Statement concerning religion. So using the same philosophy you used to interept my post I could surmise from you're post that you would be very happy if the United States completely wiped out the entire population of Isalm regardless of their sects?, Just exterminate them all; is that your stance? I just want to make sure before I have to comment on the simalarities of you're beliefs and Hitler's beliefs.
The lord wont help us, it is up to us as humans to help ourselves and to make the right choices in life.

Timberwolf



Timberwolf

[Glad Hand]

Glad Hand,
One can look at Christianity the same way, their goal is to make you more devout, loyal, believe, faithful, and so on, all religions have this same goal.. In the past they have all used violence to get what they want.

Very apparently you are obviously as ignorant of Christianity as you are of Islam. I’m sorry but your miserable attempt to denigrate all religions for of the acts of Islamic jihadists is about as idiotic and unhinged as it gets.

It’s very obvious to me that like the most fervent in your face bible thumpers, your fanatical leftwing zealotry for secularism is equally as fanatical and obsessive when it comes to attacking and the denigration of all things Christianity in response to attacks that were perpetrated by Muslims.

Not to mention that your reflexive reaction to demonize and vilify Christianity at the mere hint of Islam is classic trademark fanatical leftwing secularist behavior. Indeed, the more the Muslims commit acts of Islamic terrorism around the world, the more you fanatical leftwing secularist bible demonizers pillory and denigrate Christianity and Christians.

I for one would like to know how it is all you leftwing secularists can all be inculcated and pre programmed so effectively as to perfectly conform and respond all together like mind-numbed robots in perfect three part harmony that way. It’s a very hilarious phenomenon, but at the same time a very ubiquitous one.

Just like every other religion you have different sects, Liberals, in betweeners and fundelmentalist wackos.

I never said or even suggested that Islam is monolithic. In fact there is much diversity within and among the various sects of Islam. However in Islam there are four major schools of Islamic jurisprudence that together hold sway over all of the various divisions and sects within Islam and on the imperative to make the world sovereign for Allah via the imposition of Sharia, all of those four major schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in perfect unison and unequivocally agree.

Not to mention that all your idiotic assumptions with respect to fundamentalism, fanatics,
wackos, liberals, in betweeners, etc with regard to Islam and Muslims are ludicrous but hilarious at the same time, and only dedicated fanatical leftwing secularists obsessively insist on morally equating Islam with Christianity because of the compulsive obsessive hatred of Christianity that all you leftwing fanatics have been indoctrinated with.

I disagree with the docterine of their core beliefs just as I do Catholics, Christians, or any other type of organized religion.

Really? For the record, you have no clue what the core beliefs of Islam are! Nevertheless, for the left Islam is just a convenient excuse used to attack, vilify, and demonize all Christians and Christianity like mind-numbed robots. Yet, if anyone so much as criticizes Islam, whether that criticism is legitimate or not, hand in hand together with your Muslim brethren in arms the left immediately pounces on those criticizing Islam as being intolerant Islamophobes, bigots, or worse. Meanwhile, it’s open season for you fanatical leftwing secularists when it comes to vilifying and demonizing Israel, Judaism, and especially Christianity.

Anyway, the Fort Hood Islamic terrorist attack had nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity, yet you compulsively pounced on it reflexively to launch an attack front and center on Christianity. Thanks for demonstrating exactly how it is all you fanatical leftwing secularists have all been inculcated and preprogrammed to react like mind numbed robots.

Seperation of the human race has lead to the decline of humanity and at some point could lead to the decline of our world all together.

Yet like any and all leftwing secularists you fully embrace political correct multiculturalism and celebrate cultural diversity, which are both forms of cultural communism with the entire purpose being to hideously divide, balkanize, and ultimately destroy our society from within.

Just for the record please show me where I referenced Fort Hood in my post or anything concerning the attack there,

For the record you insinuated it. It was in a thread ostensibly about the attack that took place at Fort Hood and you used the occasion and your post as an opportunity to launch an obsessive and compulsive attack against Christianity like all you fanatical leftwing secularists have been inculcated and preprogrammed instinctively to react. It was hilarious, but very classic!

I could surmise from you're post that you would be very happy if the United States completely wiped out the entire population of Isalm regardless of their sects? Just exterminate them all; is that your stance? I just want to make sure before I have to comment on the simalarities of you're beliefs and Hitler's beliefs.

By the way it is your post and not you're post. Anyway, you would surmise that but then again you would be wrong as always. I actually believe a policy of containment and separation from the Dar al Islam is a much better course of action to pursue.

Nevertheless, I didn’t resort to insinuating you are like Mao or Stalin like you did with me regarding Hitler, who was a leftist, by the way, but indeed I could have. Nonetheless, I would still like to know what exactly is contained in that post of mind that could remotely be considered Hitler like?

[jonp]

Hobo is correct and I agree with him.

Gladhand’s statements might not be politically correct and may even be considered narrow-minded, but they are not racist.

People are entitled to opinions, even if we/you do not agree with them.

Gladhands statements are not "opinions" they are facts. People are going to continue to whistle past the graveyard until the mushroom cloud.

[jonp]

Glad Hand,
One can look at Christianity the same way, their goal is to make you more devout, loyal, believe, faithful, and so on, all religions have this same goal.. In the past they have all used violence to get what they want.
Judism believes a wife should be submissive as does Christianity, now granted in this day and age some have relaxed on those beliefs but none the less they are still practiced by many across the world so I have to disagree with you Islam is a religion..

I am not educated in islam nor do I care to waste my free time looking into it as, "it is what it is" and life is to short to worry about others that you have no control over. We will never ever be able to completely control the terrorist activity that occurs in our world on a daily basis and has for many centuries, in one form or another.
My educational background is in hospitality services so we really did not delve into the teachings of the worlds religious beliefs or backgrounds, however I kind of have to think that since Islam has been around since the 6th century it can not be ruled as fascism ,nazism, or any other type of ism for that matter. The word fascism has not even been around for a hundred years.

Just like every other religion you have different sects, Liberals, in betweeners and fundelmentalist wackos. The terriorist being part of the wacko group, they are no different then the Westboro Baptist Church minus the violence. However one can argue that Westboro preaches violence and condones it as well. You can argue you're points to me until you are blue in the face I won't care. Islam is a religion and has been since the 6th century long before anyone coined the words fascism, nazism, or communism.

I disagree with the docterine of their core beliefs just as I do Catholics, Christians, or any other type of organized religion. Seperation of the human race has lead to the decline of humanity and at some point could lead to the decline of our world all together.

Just for the record please show me where I referenced Fort Hood in my post or anything concerning the attack there, as the way I read my post it has nothing to do with what happend at Fort Hood and everything to do with religion. A Blanket Statement concerning religion. So using the same philosophy you used to interept my post I could surmise from you're post that you would be very happy if the United States completely wiped out the entire population of Isalm regardless of their sects?, Just exterminate them all; is that your stance? I just want to make sure before I have to comment on the simalarities of you're beliefs and Hitler's beliefs.
The lord wont help us, it is up to us as humans to help ourselves and to make the right choices in life.

Timberwolf



Timberwolf

"it is what it is" is a nice sentiment. That is until the Islama-Fascists chop your head off or blow you up for not converting and getting on your knees 7 times a day.

[Roadhog]

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