Soldier goes postal

[LightsChromeHorsepower]

i don't understand how destroying the us free market system, and fundamentally transforming it into a marxist government, will somehow solve the corruption which has caused our economic problems. It is my opinion, most of our social problems are the fault of liberalism. I'm still waiting for an intelligent argument which may enlighten me otherwise.

Our problems are caused by the very free market system that you so idolize. As for social problems, witness the breakdown of the family, caused by the necessity of both adults in most households being forced to work so they can have enough income to support the consumerist lifestyle necessary to enrich the corporations that control almost every aspect of our lives.

It is the unregulated free market system that has brought us enron, aig, bernie madoff, the tech bubble, the housing bubble, $5.00 per gallon diesel and many of the other wonderful things we have experienced lately. How much will it take to convince you that it doesn't work?

in my opinion, our us government, financial institutions, and big bussiness are intertwined and completely corrupt, and the root cause of most of our problems. I have argued how both the left and right administrations have become so far left of center, that this liberalism has been ripping our country to pieces.

Your first sentence is absolutely correct & i couldn't agree more. What i don't understand is how you can blame this on liberalism. Republicans are no longer conservative. Democrats are no longer liberal. Both parties are the employ of the corporate oligopolies who are actually running things. There are so few real liberals left in this country that you probably wouldn't recognize one if it came up & peed on your shoe.

since obama took office, government has expanded tremendously, trampling the us constitution, and systemactically destroying our ecomnomy and our republic. With their arrogance they will outright lie and ram ideology down the throats of the majority of americans who have voiced their dissent to no avail. We are no longer a democracy. It appears more and more like a dictatorship, and gaining speed. I can see now, why chavez was humping obama's leg with such a silly expression.

Under Bush about 70,000 (that's seventy thousand) pages were added to the code of federal regulations each year. The Bush administration introduced literally thousands of economically significant regulations, and you can bet your azz they all benefited his wealthy friends at the expense of working taxpayers. During his first for years in office he added over 300 billion (in constant dollars) to the federal budget. He bungled Katrina, he blew it in Iraq. He inherited a budget surplus and gave it away to the already wealthy

And you have the temerity to complain about Obama?

Obama inherited an economy from bush that was on the verge of total collapse. It was Bush who took away our civil rights with warrantless searches, stripping us of our right of habeas corpus and destroying our economy by allowing the financial industry to stage a virtual coup and seize de facto power of our entire government.

i believe a socialist government will only insulate corruption between the powers further, and actually make things much worse. A socialist government eventually strips it's society of rights, freedoms and liberties, in order to control any dissention. We've been witnessing plenty of that lately right here in america.

It seems to me that what you're describing here is exactly what Bush was trying to do. It was Bush who brought us the Dept. Of Homeland Security. (IMHO he should have just cut to the chase & called it "Fatherland") it was Bush who tried to take away our right of habeas corpus. It was Bush who authorized torture. It was Bush who created the insane climate of fear in our country. Bush through these actions & many others was far more active in seeking to quash dissent than Obama ever will be.

And you keep ranting about socialism. Do you understand that socialism is an economic system, not a political one? Socialism is compatible with a variety of political systems and probably works best in a participatory democracy.

the corruption under obama's administration won't be saturated any greater than it already is. We've seen most every politician today, prove themself to be a liar, with no sense of responsibility or trust for which they were elected, and will do anything to remain in power. We somehow have to remove all of these people from office from both sides of the isle, and establish term limits. This is our government, and they work for us! We have to make this government fear the people. We saw signs of that already with the town meetings and rallys. You better believe, they feared us for the first time, and i pray we take this republic back!

Unfortunately what has happened, the obama administration is only getting craftier, and more decietful in promoting their agenda, and still utterly failing the american people, for the sake of their ideology. Just look at how many marxist and communists we have right in the white house advising obama. Not one politician writes the bills, nor even reads them. They are written by said advisors, lawyers, and lobbyists. The us constitution is 13 pages long. There is no sane reason for a health tax bill to be 2000+ pages of crap opening doors to corruption and control over every aspect of your life. They will pass a watered down version of this utterly insane bill. With 2000+ pages, they can alter it to any shape they desire later, and they will. Even the watered down version, will once again increase the size of government further.

I would really like to hear a liberal point of veiw, explaining how they believe the direction our government is heading, will somehow solve this corruption at the top. Also, please explain, why we are not simply fixing our problems, instead of creating bigger ones, by expanding failed systems, and creating more spending entitlements and higher taxes, when our economy is near collapse. You complain about capitalism, but please show how a socialist government will give us anything but corruption, with class warfare, picking the winners and loosers.

Conservatives and independents have been witnessing complete arrogant radical liberal ideology at the expense of our most important problems. Maybe liberals could take some reality into account, and explain some of this insanity.

Enron, Madoff, AIG, the war on terror, the war on drugs, Halliburton, KBR, suspension of habeas corpus, American ceo's earning 22 times what their Japanese counterparts earn while they send their employees jobs overseas. Spending 40% more per capita on health care than any other nation and getting no measurable benefit from the additional expenditure. Becoming the largest debtor nation in the history of the planet.

Those are just a few of the things created by the conservative ideology of free markets at any cost. Those are the very things that liberalism would try to protect us from.

We've basically had the conservatives in control for about 20 of the past 25 years. It absolutely amazes me that after leading us into this mess all you people can do is mindlessly attack anyone who who is willing to try to lead us out of it

ddddd

[Roadhog]

LightsChromeHorsepower,

Please try to answer some questions, and don't just slip into a Bush tirade. I asked you what is your answer to capitalism? ...other than lets destroy it. What is your solution? Does your vision of socialism have a plan to stop corruption? How?

What I am trying to say; the fault is NOT capitalism, but corruption within our leadership. Prove me wrong, and how a Marxist government with a socialist economy will be superior. The capitalist system has broken down when government got into bed with financial institutions and big business, and deciding to no longer regulate control, or look out for the interests of the taxpayer. Yes this has been going on many years, but we all chose to be lazy and do nothing to stop it. These problems have caused failure in our capitalist system, and we can all pretty much see how and why, and blame is universal. We as the voting public should have been more diligent, and been voting the corrupt officials out of office years ago, and demanding term limits. Politics should NEVER be a career. These people are ALL suduced by power and corruption. The problems are exposed, and we need to move forward, because this government is rapidly destroying our way of life, and we don't have allot of time for nonsense.

No one has forced you to buy what you can't afford, or to be ashamed of what you do. But I understand liberals have a sense of entitlement. Our schools and colleges have been indoctrinating our youth for decades with liberalism, and it has become out of control. Children graduate from school HATING America. Liberal PC is ripping our Country apart. I've made plenty of posts explaining my point of view, in regards to liberalism, and the problems I see facing our country.

So far you are just a drive by, unless you honestly wish to join these political discussions. You might try to focus less, on what I have to say, unless it is your intention to just pick that apart. Maybe try to focus on what YOU have to say, and explain what you believe. You don't have to try to answer any questions, if you really have nothing to offer.

Our problems need to be fixed. Why are we NOT working on fixing the problems? Why is the liberal philosophy to destroy what we have, and replace it with something else? Just for the sake of "change"...a campaign slogan? Liberals need to explain this "change", and get the majority of America to agree with it. You do not get to just fundamentally transform America without the consent of the majority, and not expect severe repercussions.

Majority of Americans blame our elected leaders, on both sides of the isle, and want them ALL removed. The majority of Americans are taking responsibility for our own actions and now demand the same of our leadership. Why are you missing that point? Our Republic has worked and can work again. If liberals wish to destroy our government...then you better give us ALL good reason why, and what are your solutions and answers, and what is your government model. Please explain how a socialist marxist government is going to be such a vast improvement over our US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Give some rational explanation, and maybe your post will be worth reading.

You claim Obama has inherited so much evil, and he wishes to lead us all out of this mess created by everyone else. Prove this, and that he isn't doing much more of the same... and maybe I'll hump his leg too like Chavez with that silly glassy-eyed look.

[ironeagle_2006]

LCH I read a book last month called the Animal Farm. You might want to PIck up a copy of it. It descirbes a small farm aka country that Overthrows a Capitlaist system and puts in a Socialist System well at first things went good. However the Pigs aka the Democraps we have now deiced that they are better than everyone else. Take a look at the Former Soviet Union all were equal HOWEVER SOME WERE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS. That book even had a KGB in it a pack of Dogs that would at the pigs orders kill any animal that got out of line. Is that what you want here in the USA.

[TimberWolf]

Iron Eagle, You read it just last month???
Wow, If I remember correctly it was required reading in my 10 grade Civics class and that was many moons ago. My oldest daughter had to read it as well when she was in high school and I fully expect my youngest to get it in the next year or two.
No offense meant, but your home town school system was behind the times..

Not to mention it is fiction... I mean really who ever heard of animals running a country, oh wait a minute it has happened in our country since our inception, maybe there is some truth to it yet????

Regardless it does not matter, as nothing will ever get solved with two sides pitting against each other.
and that my fellow poster's is the sad reality of our world today

Timberwolf

[ironeagle_2006]

Timberwolf I reread it because I WANTED TO. It is called there are so many parrells as to the USA right now and it is SCARY. I think of the some of the animals as the Welfare Recipants that all they want is their Check and to hell with everyone else. The Draft Horse he is the Middle class sooner or later we will collaspe under the weight of the debt we are being hit with. Called think about it. I also read it in 10th Grade and it was scary as HELL THEN.

[BIG JEEP on 44's]

We really need to address him for what he was/is , Which is a Muslim with hatred for the U.S. , And stop calling him a U.S. Soldier ...Maybe strip him of the honorable title of U.S. soldier and reference him for what he was/is...A Muslim terrorist .

[Glad Hand]

ddddd

Wow...must be some really good kool aid you are drinking because you swallowed it to the very last drop. All of it.

[Glad Hand]

It’s all pretty easy really. If you naively believe that Islam is really a religion of peace and that the vast overwhelming majority of the world’s Muslims are peaceful, moderate, and perfectly compatible with Western civilization, then at the same time you ought to be able to provide a reasonable explanation why non-Muslims living inside peaceful Muslim countries where the majority of the world’s so-called moderate and peaceful Muslims live without exception are always treated as second class dhimmis and are always harshly oppressed and discriminated against by the so-called moderate and peaceful Muslims living in those countries in every case.

You should also be able to point to several non-Muslim countries located anywhere in the world that borders Muslim countries and that at the same time are able to live in peace and harmony side-by-side next door with their bordering Muslim neighbor.

In addition, you should also be able to provide a reasonable explanation why every non-Muslim country in the world that has allowed Muslims to migrate and immigrate in mass has also inevitably become the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks and why at the same time in other Non-Muslim countries where Muslims have not yet migrated and immigrated in mass in stark contrast to the aforementioned have yet to become the victim of Islamic terrorist attacks.

Lastly, you should also be able to provide a reasonable explanation why in every non-Muslim country in the world where Muslims have migrated and immigrated to in mass the majority of the Muslim immigrants have always refused to assimilate and integrate and eventually once the population of Muslims became sufficient created Muslim no go zones that are ruled and governed by Islamic Sharia Law and in direct contravention to the laws of the state in which they now reside.

Therefore, if anyone can provide reasonable explanations to all of the above, then it would be perfectly clear that Islam is truly a religion of peace and that the vast overwhelming majority of the world’s Muslims really are peaceful and moderate Muslims and thus are perfectly compatible with Western civilization.

On the other hand, if no reasonable explanations for the above can be provided, then it would indicate that any country that allows Muslims to migrate and immigrate in mass is playing a fool’s game because they are in effect enabling a 5th column to infiltrate inside their own countries.

[ssoutlaw]

It’s all pretty easy really. If you naively believe that Islam is really a religion of peace and that the vast overwhelming majority of the world’s Muslims are peaceful, moderate, and perfectly compatible with Western civilization, then at the same time you ought to be able to provide a reasonable explanation why non-Muslims living inside peaceful Muslim countries where the majority of the world’s so-called moderate and peaceful Muslims live without exception are always treated as second class dhimmis and are always harshly oppressed and discriminated against by the so-called moderate and peaceful Muslims living in those countries in every case.

You should also be able to point to several non-Muslim countries located anywhere in the world that borders Muslim countries and that at the same time are able to live in peace and harmony side-by-side next door with their bordering Muslim neighbor.

In addition, you should also be able to provide a reasonable explanation why every non-Muslim country in the world that has allowed Muslims to migrate and immigrate in mass has also inevitably become the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks and why at the same time in other Non-Muslim countries where Muslims have not yet migrated and immigrated in mass in stark contrast to the aforementioned have yet to become the victim of Islamic terrorist attacks.

Lastly, you should also be able to provide a reasonable explanation why in every non-Muslim country in the world where Muslims have migrated and immigrated to in mass the majority of the Muslim immigrants have always refused to assimilate and integrate and eventually once the population of Muslims became sufficient created Muslim no go zones that are ruled and governed by Islamic Sharia Law and in direct contravention to the laws of the state in which they now reside.

Therefore, if anyone can provide reasonable explanations to all of the above, then it would be perfectly clear that Islam is truly a religion of peace and that the vast overwhelming majority of the world’s Muslims really are peaceful and moderate Muslims and thus are perfectly compatible with Western civilization.

On the other hand, if no reasonable explanations for the above can be provided, then it would indicate that any country that allows Muslims to migrate and immigrate in mass is playing a fool’s game because they are in effect enabling a 5th column to infiltrate inside their own countries.

You have asked these questions so many times, I would still like to here someone answer them!!! Instead they run from the thread.....lol

[Jackrabbit379]

They charged him with 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder. We shall see what happens next. I think they need to give him an escort to the gallows.


Army Charges Fort Hood Shooting Suspect - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

[bentstrider]

It’s all pretty easy really. If you naively believe that Islam is really a religion of peace and that the vast overwhelming majority of the world’s Muslims are peaceful, moderate, and perfectly compatible with Western civilization, then at the same time you ought to be able to provide a reasonable explanation why non-Muslims living inside peaceful Muslim countries where the majority of the world’s so-called moderate and peaceful Muslims live without exception are always treated as second class dhimmis and are always harshly oppressed and discriminated against by the so-called moderate and peaceful Muslims living in those countries in every case.

You should also be able to point to several non-Muslim countries located anywhere in the world that borders Muslim countries and that at the same time are able to live in peace and harmony side-by-side next door with their bordering Muslim neighbor.

In addition, you should also be able to provide a reasonable explanation why every non-Muslim country in the world that has allowed Muslims to migrate and immigrate in mass has also inevitably become the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks and why at the same time in other Non-Muslim countries where Muslims have not yet migrated and immigrated in mass in stark contrast to the aforementioned have yet to become the victim of Islamic terrorist attacks.

Lastly, you should also be able to provide a reasonable explanation why in every non-Muslim country in the world where Muslims have migrated and immigrated to in mass the majority of the Muslim immigrants have always refused to assimilate and integrate and eventually once the population of Muslims became sufficient created Muslim no go zones that are ruled and governed by Islamic Sharia Law and in direct contravention to the laws of the state in which they now reside.

Therefore, if anyone can provide reasonable explanations to all of the above, then it would be perfectly clear that Islam is truly a religion of peace and that the vast overwhelming majority of the world’s Muslims really are peaceful and moderate Muslims and thus are perfectly compatible with Western civilization.

On the other hand, if no reasonable explanations for the above can be provided, then it would indicate that any country that allows Muslims to migrate and immigrate in mass is playing a fool’s game because they are in effect enabling a 5th column to infiltrate inside their own countries.

A little off-topic, but I would like to think that private ownership of firearms has prevented supremacy of any type from gaining a foothold over here.

But, you take a closer look at countries in Europe where firearms ownership is severely restricted and mild forms of defacto segregation in the form of welfare is practiced and then that's when you get those ethnic riots that occurred in Paris not too long ago.

[GMAN]

Tyranny always tries to disarm the citizenry to prevent them from fighting back. That is what these tyrants in Washington have been trying to do for years.

[Glad Hand]

They charged him with 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder. We shall see what happens next. I think they need to give him an escort to the gallows.


Army Charges Fort Hood Shooting Suspect - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

Yep…they charged him with 32 counts of premeditated murder, but at the same time our leftwing hijacked government and lamestream media will conspire together and do everything in their power they possibly can to cover up and protect Islam from being subjected to close public scrutiny.

As for as they are concerned, even though Major Nidal Hassan accurately interpreted the text and tenants of Islam and what it inculcates, they will claim instead that Major Nidal Hassan had a very warped perception of the world and his religion. In other words, the same political correct multicultural baloney that helped enable the 9/11 terrorist attacks, all of the other subsequent terrorist attacks since then, and ultimately the Major Nidal Hassan attack at Fort Hood in the first place will be used once again to cover up for the real culprit (Islam) and thus again set the stage for future Islamic terrorist attacks to occur all over again in the future.

I don’t see the federal government and the lamestream media anytime soon learning their lesson and doing a 180-degree turnaround with respect to their stance on Islam and Muslims. Especially with Obama committing 30 thousand troops to Afghanistan just last night in a foolhardy political correct multicultural attempt to win the un-winnable hearts and minds of Muslims, who are obligated per their religion to hate all non-Muslim infidels no matter what.

If you want to understand why things are the way they are today even when the contrary evidence is so strong, clear, and unequivocal, it is because the left has an undying and unbreakable devotion and allegiance to absurd political correct multiculturalism, which upholds the absurd notion that all cultures are equal. Thus, if they are forced into acknowledging the fact that Islam and indeed Islamic culture is not only not equal with other cultures, but is also incompatible with other cultures as well because it inexorably tries to destroy them and then dominate all other cultures, then it would undermine everything the left, the leftwing hijacked federal government, and the leftwing hijacked lamestream media has stood for and have been advocating for decades.

It would also thoroughly undermine and expose our current very fantasy-based war strategy, which is based totally on idiotic political correct multicultural assumptions and accordingly has been a total and complete unmitigated disaster. For instance, it was political correct multiculturalism that led GWB to devote more military resources to winning the un-winnable hearts and minds of Afghan Muslims than to ensuring that OBL and AQ were obliterated once and for all in the mountains of Toro-Bora before they could escape into Pakistan. It was also underlying political correct multicultural insanity that led to the terribly misguided decision to occupy Iraq to win the un-winnable hearts and minds of Muslims in Iraq after Saddam had been ousted and captured.

Had we ensured we killed OBL and AQ eight years ago and then left Afghanistan ASAP while leaving behind our death and destruction to create deterrence, and if we had left Iraq as soon as Saddam was ousted and captured while also leaving behind our death and destruction in Iraq as well to create deterrence, we would have deterred our enemies and at the same time made a statement to our enemies and all potential enemies as well that the USA will not tolerate terrorist attacks and intransigence from thugs. Instead, because of bogus political correct multicultural idiocy we have greatly emboldened, enhanced, and enabled our enemies’ abilities to undermine us with impunity today and also into the future as well.

We also wouldn’t have wasted all of those hundreds of billions of dollars we needlessly wasted or sacrificed all of those young American lives we needlessly sacrificed either.

Unfortunately, it’s also obvious to me that the Republican Party today and also many so-called conservatives as well have been totally consumed by that plague of group think we call political correct multiculturalism almost as badly as the left has been consumed. Thus, in this country today we have the blind leading the blind as both parties are literally insane and thus it is not surprising that this country is fast going to hell.

[GMAN]

Some of these people are so afraid of offending someone that they won't tell the truth. This guy was a terrorist....PERIOD!!! He committed a terrorist act when he killed all those people. He was a Muslim who had planned this act of terrorism for some time. What is so difficult about telling the truth?!! During WWII Japanese who lived in the U.S. were put in camps until the war ended. That was to prevent any of them from committing any acts of espionage or terrorism. I am not suggesting that we imprison anyone who is Muslim in this country, but we can no longer afford to stick our heads in the sand, either.

[bentstrider]

Tyranny always tries to disarm the citizenry to prevent them from fighting back. That is what these tyrants in Washington have been trying to do for years.

This is what happens when one wants to place a "monopoly" on protection services.
If it gets bad enough, cops and mobilized national guard won't be enough to ensure order.

Apparently, "spreading out the workload evenly" doesn't quite register with much of the policymakers in Ivory-Tow....er Capitol Hill.

[Glad Hand]

Oh wow…it’s getting sicker than I ever imagined possible!

Dhimmitude and stealth jihad at Fort Hood

I have word from an informed source that a top representative of the Muslim Brotherhood arm known as the Islamic Society of North America -- Louay Safi -- is at Fort Hood this week training the army brigade getting ready to deploy to Afghanistan. At about 1800 EST today, Safi gave a check to families of the victims of the Major Hasan jihad killings.

The Fort Hood leadership was overheard commenting that Safi was "really nice."

The Muslim Brotherhood is dedicated in its own words to "a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands"? The rest of that passage, of course, is: "...and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions." That's from "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America," by Mohamed Akram, May 19, 1991.

ISNA is a Brotherhood entity, and an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case.

This is criminal and the base commander should be fired right now.

Dhimmitude and stealth jihad at Fort Hood - Jihad Watch

[GMAN]

So the terrorists are now buying off their victims. Surely this isn't true?!

[Glad Hand]

The news of ISNA giving blood money to the families of the victims of the Fort Hood Islamic terrorist attack didn’t go unnoticed. Here’s Andy McCarthy’s take on it.

By the way, Andy McCarthy was the lead federal prosecutor in the first WTC attack trial that led to the convictions and sentencing of those Muslim terrorists involved.

Somebody at Fort Hood Should Be Walking the Plank - Andy McCarthy - The Corner on National Review Online

[GMAN]

I have not heard anything on the national media about the blood money.

[Glad Hand]

I have not heard anything on the national media about the blood money.

Of course. And you won't.