Criteria for closing a thread

[Roadhog]

[golfhobo]

Rev.Vassago said:

The thread is open. Go ahead and post your racist rants if you want. Since Ridge is rarely here to moderate, and GMAN doesn't moderate all that much, I guess it's free reign on CAD. Have fun.

I have NO INTENTION of posting such a thing, and IF someone ELSE does.... I would LIKE to have the chance to put him in his place! And ONLY if I am losing that battle.... would I want or need you to come in and save my azz by locking it!

And the thread was closed because it was full of hateful racist rants, which is against the rules you agreed to upon registering for this site.

Full of??? I saw evidence of one or two such posts that, possibly with good reason, you deleted. THAT is what I would expect from a moderator (EVEN when they are MINE.)

Another point, if you will..... the RULES we "signed onto" when joining this site HAVE CHANGED over the years. Not by much tho. It is the MODERATION of the site that has changed more than anything. I THINK most of us understand the rules, and most play by them. WE don't need a hall monitor to tell us when we can get out of class to go to the bathroom.

But I refuse to be affiliated with a website that condones, tolerates, or encourages hatred and racism. So good bye.

You've been saying "goodbye" for over a week now. Are you leaving or not? I would say that I really don't care.... but, I do. I would hate to be affiliated with such a site, too! And there have been times when I wanted to FRAG half of the membership here! But, I understand that they have a right to their opinions, and the best I can do is to tell them MINE.

I am aware that you have a muslim friend (at least.) I have a few myself. I understand your defense of the people and religion that are NOT responsible for the strife we, as a country, are now faced with. But, you do them NO FAVOR by "appearing" to defend the radical element of their religion or culture. THEY despise them.... and YOU should, too.

I would JOIN you, if I had time, in reinforcing the fact that not ALL Muslims are "jihaddists!" I think that MOST on this board KNOW that fact! People will RANT against the enemy of our peacefull existence, and sometimes there will be "collateral damage."

But, as someone said about the Healthcare bill.... "let's don't let the PERFECT get in the way of the POSSIBLE." i.e: Let's not let a few radicals hijack a discussion and effort towards ethnic peace!

The events of this week have forced a discussion that has been simmering under the surface for far too long. It is not an EASY discussion. But, it is one that ALL Americans NEED to participate in. We are beyond learning from History books. We are LIVING history.... and making it!

Though many don't want to HEAR it.... as the Rev. Wright said, "America's chickens have come home to roost!" Our world is a result of our policies over the years. Not JUST abroad... but, also at home.

Anyone here who would automatically blame a Muslim for an attack on our military at home, has a short memory! Timothy McVeigh comes to mind! But, anyone who would IGNORE the warning signs that were evident with THIS particular "muslim" member of our military forces.... or our SOCIETY.... has their head in the sand, and certainly should NOT be the head of homeland security, or the Army, or any OTHER position of national security!

We don't KNOW all the facts about this shooting, and the perp. We need to find out, and we WILL. But, we need to be willing to face reality when we DO find out.... and we need to face the problem head on.... PC be damned!

[golfhobo]

My world is complete! Nice to SEE you Hoggie! We all miss you, and I hope you are well.

[golfhobo]

My commits above will most likely be viewed to be in "bad form" to some as I am still considered a Mod. here. In general, as a rule we try to stick together on issues and keep things of this nature confined to the Mod. forum. Sometimes tho something needs to be said. This was one of those rare times.

I'm not very active here anymore because of personal time constraints so if my status as a Mod. is pulled because of this...... so what? In the past I have always tried to be fair to all parties involved in debate and not try to over moderate. I always felt like this group could always work through differences and not have to be shielded from a differing opinion. I think this is one of those times that saying nothing would be in worse form than what I said above. To say nothing is to condone it, and I do not in any way, shape or form.

Good luck,

Ridge

P.S. Hobo..... empty your in-box.

Bravo, Ridge! I always KNEW you had BALLS! It never ceases to amaze me about the "lurkers" who are monitoring this site. I was SHOCKED to see Hoggie chime in. And WOT came in lately.

Twilight hasn't given his opinion, but, I recently saw Dr. WHO chime in on a thread I was involved in (I think.)

Apparently, the ENTIRE moderator corps is engaged in watching everything "I" say..... or maybe, just "monitoring" the REV! Figure the odds!

ME.... or the REV??? Hmmm..... WHICH would attract the most attention?

Anyway.... I HOPE y'all work it out! WE mortals don't really even have a VOTE! Except the way we vote with our FEET! Do y'all GET that? Or do I need to explain it?

BTW..... still working on clearing my PM box. It would be EASIER if CAD would just restore the amount of bytes allowed by the LAST owners! [If they NEED more room.... they can delete all the dead accounts of those who LEFT the site since they took over! ]

Meanwhile, anyone who wants to "PM" me can use my email address. I've listed it before, so it ain't no surprise. It's Cat3ears.... at aol dot com.

[geeshock]

pay attn to you hobo, who would do such a thing

[Twilight Flyer]

I’ll be honest…I was, and still am, completely blind-sided by what happened. I exchanged a couple of PM’s with Rev over this, my last one being my last conversation point with him. I have no idea what happened over the weekend, nor do I care. The board is still up and the posters are still the same posting base. Rev seems to think this board is full of a bunch of hate-mongering racists. Other than a couple of rather tame “group them all together” posts, I don’t see it. If Rev wants to use this as a springboard to leave with a bunch of drama, that is up to him. I certainly don’t like it…and personally, I will go on record and say that this isn’t the Tony that I know. He’s a far better person than what he demonstrated these past few days.

[dobry4u]

IMHO.....

It gets to be very frustrating when people ink life's novel with narrow minded and hand picked "evidence" to support their unwarranted prejudice, fear, and/or out right "hot air". Conclusions are drawn without facts and are supported only with one presumed variable, such as political affiliation, religious beliefs, and country of genetic origin. People really don't want to know the truth, so it seems. Much more interesting going with the hype.

I tend to feel heavy-hearted from many of the comments from seemingly intelligent and kind members that are posted here. Are we, the occupants of this planet, seriously blinded by hatred and consumed by prejudice? I would rather wear my rose color glasses and believe that we are a world of compassion and seeker of truths and justice.

I can understand his frustration.

[dobry4u]

PS. It is fantastic to see you Hoggie... you have been so very missed!

[Ridge Runner]

IMHO.....

It gets to be very frustrating when people ink life's novel with narrow minded and hand picked "evidence" to support their unwarranted prejudice, fear, and/or out right "hot air". Conclusions are drawn without facts and are supported only with one presumed variable, such as political affiliation, religious beliefs, and country of genetic origin. People really don't want to know the truth, so it seems. Much more interesting going with the hype.

I tend to feel heavy-hearted from many of the comments from seemingly intelligent and kind members that are posted here. Are we, the occupants of this planet, seriously blinded by hatred and consumed by prejudice? I would rather wear my rose color glasses and believe that we are a world of compassion and seeker of truths and justice.

I can understand his frustration.

I understand the being frustrated part, but don't you think you should be able to respond to dispel those unfounded beliefs? Instead let's just lock the thread and not have a chance to see someone else point of view or try to win them over to our side with facts and logic?

[Twilight Flyer]

I’m not sure what you are referring to “hand-picked” evidence. Facts are coming out, as we knew they would, and the picture it is painting of this guy is no surprise to anyone. He is a terrorist or at the very least, a terrorist-wannabe. How you can be upset that people are going out of their way to make certain that ALL Muslims are not painted with the same brush, I just do not understand.

As I said to Rev, it would seem to me that kind of reaction would be welcomed. As with Rev, I also have a couple of Muslim friends/acquaintances and I’m sitting here wondering when Bubba Stupid is going to try to take one of them out. So, I can relate to Rev being upset for the sake of his friends. But to grind down everyone because you have an axe to grind with a couple of people that are not being PC about things, I just don’t get.

I’ve looked through the threads…I’ve seen one comment/term that is derogatory. I don’t know what, if anything, was posted over the weekend, so I am going with what I see right now. I’ve seen a couple of people with pretty close-minded opinions, but their opinions are just that. Opinions. No, I don’t agree with them any more than I agreed with GolfHobo on the picture of the dying soldier a month or so back. But whether we are talking GolfHobo (who I disagreed with in a HUGE way) or Gladhand, who’s comments are articulate, but very narrow-minded in my opinion…they are still people’s opinions and they are entitled to them.

I don’t have to like them. And neither do you. But as long as they are not getting hateful and nasty and they follow the board rules, they have as much right to post them as you and I do. This is an adult forum. We are not going to like everyone’s opinions. That’s human nature and I wouldn’t want it any other way. Neither should you.

[RebelDarlin]

Ridge & Twilight.....

THANK YOU!!!!!!




At last...voices of reason have returned.!

[geeshock]

IMHO.....

It gets to be very frustrating when people ink life's novel with narrow minded and hand picked "evidence" to support their unwarranted prejudice, fear, and/or out right "hot air". Conclusions are drawn without facts and are supported only with one presumed variable, such as political affiliation, religious beliefs, and country of genetic origin. People really don't want to know the truth, so it seems. Much more interesting going with the hype.

I tend to feel heavy-hearted from many of the comments from seemingly intelligent and kind members that are posted here. Are we, the occupants of this planet, seriously blinded by hatred and consumed by prejudice? I would rather wear my rose color glasses and believe that we are a world of compassion and seeker of truths and justice.

I can understand his frustration.

I can agree with you there and to be honest IMHO, we all have some bigoted views. The question is, can we work to overcome them.

And at the same time I believe there are many of us, I like to believe I am one, that tries to be compassionate. I may louse it up a lot but I try.

I wish nothing but the best for rev and he has helped me out as much as anyone else in here but the choice to stick around or leave has to be his choice.

now for my side to this, rev is choosing to leave because of his belief that we are racist and bigoted. If he looks hard enough, I think he might see his reasoning is as bigoted as much as any.

[BanditsCousin]

I felt this thread was kind of racist, but it got allowed:

Attention...

But it did spawn into a non-racist conversation that was civil. I felt this thread was more a red flag than the news report about the Ft. Hood shooter.

[dobry4u]

I understand the being frustrated part, but don't you think you should be able to respond to dispel those unfounded beliefs? Instead let's just lock the thread and not have a chance to see someone else point of view or try to win them over to our side with facts and logic?

I am the first to stand and fight for the right to express your beliefs and I believe CAD's policy is to allow debates as long as it doesn't get out of line (such as personal attacks). If the postings get out line, than as a moderator you have the obligation to handle it. The biggest factor I assume is that "out of line" is subjective to some extent. If the threads were indeed locked merely to stifle other opinions, then that would not be for the purpose of invoking policy. While arguments can get heated, it is imperative not to lose the purpose of the debate; go off on tangents, because you lose the opportunity to embrace the topic for what it is.

I am all for presenting facts and logic ! I am a nerd

[dobry4u]

I’m not sure what you are referring to “hand-picked” evidence. Facts are coming out, as we knew they would, and the picture it is painting of this guy is no surprise to anyone.

Facts are coming out,... knew they would... no surprise...

I did not judge the man prior to the evidence. I believe in knowing the f-a-c-t-s before I judge.

I am part German.. and yep I love knackwursts and sauerkraut .. but I can throw down bagels and lox any ol' day

[mommee]

I am part German.. and yep I love knackwursts and sauerkraut .. but I can throw down bagels and lox any ol' day

i love bagels and lox.
and lox on toast is good too.

[geeshock]

I still have no problems with rev. overall I think he's a good guy. I just think he needs to realize things aren't going to fit into his perfect world of right and wrong, and b4 you call racial remarks ( not arguing with him on this) you need to ask why you are doing it? As a member of the military I hated communism. By definition that makes me a biggot. would my dislike of that get my thread banned from the board if we were discussing say china or cuba?

[golfhobo]

Bump for Snowman7

Halfway thru page 1, I brought this topic up again as concerned the locking of the "postal" thread. The "meltdown" had already begun, but his last post is on this thread.

[Snowman7]

The thread is open. Go ahead and post your racist rants if you want. Since Ridge is rarely here to moderate, and GMAN doesn't moderate all that much, I guess it's free reign on CAD. Have fun.


And the thread was closed because it was full of hateful racist rants, which is against the rules you agreed to upon registering for this site.


But I refuse to be affiliated with a website that condones, tolerates, or encourages hatred and racism. So good bye.

Bump for Snowman7

Halfway thru page 1, I brought this topic up again as concerned the locking of the "postal" thread. The "meltdown" had already begun, but his last post is on this thread.

Thanks hobo I do remember reading that post but it didnt hit me that he was leaving. Could he have edited that part in after I read it? Sometimes I speed read so I only get half the info LOL!

[eddie23949]

Good Bye Rev!! Lots of people will be glad to see your nasty, hateful, bitter ASS gone!!