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  1. 09-16-2009 06:30 PM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by VPIDarkAngel View Post
    I wish that were true... Come to the DG yard. We'll show you what well maintained is [not].
    would they send a truck out with no brakes? and if they would, would you drive it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike3fan View Post
    They don't want you cheap O/O's from only using their trailer brakes to stop. Again don't ask how I know.

    LOL....You're probably right....but then...I don't trust Miller mechanics enough to want to use just the trailer brakes to stop!!!
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    So mike was it your truck or a company truck that rolled away on you ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackman View Post
    So mike was it your truck or a company truck that rolled away on you ??

    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

















    my truck, $200 tow bill and zero damage, lost 1.5hrs on my run which I still completed on time. never said I was smart
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike3fan
    my truck, $200 tow bill and zero damage, lost 1.5hrs on my run which I still completed on time. never said I was smart
    Not to worry there Mike, we've never accused you of being smart.




















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    Quote Originally Posted by RostyC View Post
    Not to worry there Mike, we've never accused you of being smart. )
    Just trying to clear up any confusion.
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    Definitely agree about the lost job part.

    Now it's either gonna be standing in line some place(college, UI) or providing service to a line.
    Parking with the trailer brake seems like a pretty elementary mistake, never was told to use it and stuck with only the knobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredog View Post
    would they send a truck out with no brakes? and if they would, would you drive it?
    Talk about a "moment of Zen." I haven't been reading CAD much lately, but tonight I found THIS one..... and I just happened to have an experience today that could SAVE some "rookie's" life someday..... if he'll read and think.

    I'm on record with an "alternative" use or two for the "Trolley Bar" and many here have held the opposite view.

    But, here's one I think many of us can agree on. First, and foremost, a driver need to do his utmost to understand the "air brake" system. It is essential to the operation of your "CMV" but also to the preservation of your LIFE!

    I'm sure most of you, after "hooking" your trailer, use the fact that there is no air supplied to the trailer brakes, to check your 5th wheel lock.

    You are even convinced that your "emergency/red" airline system is working to STOP you if you lose air in your system.

    But.... that is the SECONDARY system. There is another.

    Last night, I was the "spotter" part of my team, when we were hooking our doubles set for a 1500 mile trip, done EVERY day, through mountains and whatnot.

    While hooking the dolly to the back of the FRONT trailer, and my codriver holding his foot on the brake while I did so..... I heard/noticed a "constant and PERSISTENT expression of AIR from the BLUE airline BEFORE it got to the "glad hand connection."

    The POINT is this, as I'm afraid I'll lose many of you if I don't keep it short:

    A SOLO driver could hook up the PRIMARY air line, providing air to the brakes for BOTH trailers, without knowing whether or not it has a MAJOR LEAK in it, because he has no one to apply that pressure to test it. The OLD trucks HAD such a configuration.

    I could have kept my mouth shut this morning.... and left ON TIME! But, I had no choice but to point out what I NOTICED " wasn't right." We HAD NO BRAKES! The bleed off on the FRONT trailer meant NOTHING through the dolley and into the back traier.

    My point is THIS! MANY accidents on the road can be "prevented" if YOU... the driver.... are doing your FULL job!

    Does it cause you even a MOMENT of concern, that a set of "doubles" can be barrelling down the road with NO primary brakes to the TWO trailers beihind the tractor?

    And PART of the reason is that there is not a SECOND person to hold down the "trolley bar" or to put a foot on the brake pedal. Because, without this.... a DRIVER at the dolley "junction" might not NOTICE a leak in the primary "blue line" that engages the brakes in TWO trailers....

    Sorry for the rant. THIS situation made me stop and think. That doesn't HAPPEN very often!
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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo View Post

    While hooking the dolly to the back of the FRONT trailer, and my codriver holding his foot on the brake while I did so..... I heard/noticed a "constant and PERSISTENT expression of AIR from the BLUE airline BEFORE it got to the "glad hand connection."

    The POINT is this, as I'm afraid I'll lose many of you if I don't keep it short:

    A SOLO driver could hook up the PRIMARY air line, providing air to the brakes for BOTH trailers, without knowing whether or not it has a MAJOR LEAK in it, because he has no one to apply that pressure to test it. The OLD trucks HAD such a configuration.
    The driver would notice a major air leak simply by holding his foot on the brake and seeing the air pressure gauge dropping. If he didn't see it, he wasn't paying attention. I'm sure a minor air leak could go unnoticed, but not a major one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    The driver would notice a major air leak simply by holding his foot on the brake and seeing the air pressure gauge dropping. If he didn't see it, he wasn't paying attention. I'm sure a minor air leak could go unnoticed, but not a major one.
    i agree with the the Rev.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    The driver would notice a major air leak simply by holding his foot on the brake and seeing the air pressure gauge dropping. If he didn't see it, he wasn't paying attention. I'm sure a minor air leak could go unnoticed, but not a major one.
    Okay, REV... you have a valid point (and Bigmon agrees.) I've never CLAIMED to be an expert on these "doubles." I HATE them! Give me a 53 footer anyday!

    But, My point is that MANY of our drivers are solos, not doubles, and when backing up the front trailer to the dolley sitting in front of their back trailer, there is NOT ENOUGH application of the brakes to notice an air leak of this type (because the TRACTOR brakes are doing the job.)

    Once "hooked up," the driver may very well leave out of the yard with only a few minimal and short applications of the brakes (again.... the tractor brakes will give the appearance of a complete system.)

    The ONLY sure way to notice a leak of the blue line on a set of doubles, is if ONE driver is in the cab, standing on the brakes, while the other driver is outside and AT the "scene of the crime."

    Apparently, older trucks allowed a driver to apply the "Trolley bar" and LOCK IT DOWN (often used for parking) that would allow him to make an "operational test" of the primary brake system, when working alone.

    When "switching" trailers with another driver (butthead) I have twice in one year found out that the primary brake system was shut off at the front trailer.... giving me no brakes for my back trailer.

    Unfortunately, without an APPLICATION of the brakes in the primary system, this mistake cannot be noticed by a solo driver of doubles.

    I am ONLY making these points for the education and consideration of newer drivers.... LIKE MYSELF.... who need to constantly consider ALL "possible" failures or mistakes that could cost lives!

    There is a reason that a major part of CDL testing is understanding the "Air brake system." Although I had to correct my teacher in CDL school, I STILL have some misunderstandings of it. If "I" do.... I'm sure that I am not alone!

    Stopping these behemouths is a major part of our job! Fruck the HOS stuff! Make sure you understand the multiple airbrake systems on your rig.... and make sure they are working!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdswans View Post
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    What wouldn't any guy give for a couple of extra inches?
    Think about it... About 10 or 15 years ago, some IDIOT started ordering trailers that were 57 feet long. Wouldn't you like to try to make sure THAT clears the tracks? I don't know what the "great Pumpkin" did with theirs, but I do know that Dart cut theirs down to 53 feet. Most states had the common sense to keep them illegal, so they did not become popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo View Post

    But, My point is that MANY of our drivers are solos, not doubles, and when backing up the front trailer to the dolley sitting in front of their back trailer, there is NOT ENOUGH application of the brakes to notice an air leak of this type (because the TRACTOR brakes are doing the job.)

    Once "hooked up," the driver may very well leave out of the yard with only a few minimal and short applications of the brakes (again.... the tractor brakes will give the appearance of a complete system.)
    Then that driver didn't do a proper PTI.

    The ONLY sure way to notice a leak of the blue line on a set of doubles, is if ONE driver is in the cab, standing on the brakes, while the other driver is outside and AT the "scene of the crime."

    Apparently, older trucks allowed a driver to apply the "Trolley bar" and LOCK IT DOWN (often used for parking) that would allow him to make an "operational test" of the primary brake system, when working alone.
    New trucks do that as well. I know mine does. Volvo is the only manufacturer that I'm aware of that has trolley bars that pop back up when you let go of them. If others have implemented them, it's news to me. But no matter. A simple solution is to hook a bungee cord to it, and then you can get out of your truck at will to inspect the brakes. Apparently that's too much work though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    Then that driver didn't do a proper PTI.
    You MAY very well be correct. However.... to PROVE it.... how about showing me an FMCSR that requires a solo driver of a double combination to "rig" his trolley bar to apply constanst pressure to his primary brake line, while he gets out and checks the connections behind the number one and the number two trailer. Maybe there IS one..... but, I haven't SEEN it.

    For that matter.... how does a driver pulling a 53 footer know for sure? Oh yeah.... the "lab test." Tell me, Rev.... do YOU do that everytime you get into your truck for a daily run?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    Then that driver didn't do a proper PTI.



    New trucks do that as well. I know mine does. Volvo is the only manufacturer that I'm aware of that has trolley bars that pop back up when you let go of them. If others have implemented them, it's news to me. But no matter. A simple solution is to hook a bungee cord to it, and then you can get out of your truck at will to inspect the brakes. Apparently that's too much work though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo View Post
    You MAY very well be correct. However.... to PROVE it.... how about showing me an FMCSR that requires a solo driver of a double combination to "rig" his trolley bar to apply constanst pressure to his primary brake line, while he gets out and checks the connections behind the number one and the number two trailer. Maybe there IS one..... but, I haven't SEEN it.
    The FMCSA regulations do not dictate how a PTI is to be done. They only dictate what items need to be inspected. And all brakes are on the list.
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    GH....the only airline a "trolley bar" or "johnnie bar" activate, is the RED one. The redline only activates the trailer brakes, whether it is a 20 foot trailer or a 53 foot trailer, or 2- 28 foot trailers in tandem. (I think I got that right....I'm tired)


    The blue line is only activated by the foot treadle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangetxguy View Post
    GH....the only airline a "trolley bar" or "johnnie bar" activate, is the RED one. The redline only activates the trailer brakes, whether it is a 20 foot trailer or a 53 foot trailer, or 2- 28 foot trailers in tandem. (I think I got that right....I'm tired)


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