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    Does anyone have a video of the Anti-Idling "SWEEPS" going on in Calif, Texas or anywhere else they would be willing to donate to WarOnTruckers? We as American truckers need to show the American People how truckers are treated like criminals just because we want to get a good night/day sleep. This video would be the first thing that visitors to WarOnTruckers would see before going to the blog. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Drivers, this affects us all. If you have a video, just come to WarOnTruckers.com and click on the "Contact Us" tab and send me a message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzzsolo View Post
    Does anyone have a video of the Anti-Idling "SWEEPS" going on in Calif, Texas or anywhere else they would be willing to donate to WarOnTruckers? We as American truckers need to show the American People how truckers are treated like criminals just because we want to get a good night/day sleep. This video would be the first thing that visitors to WarOnTruckers would see before going to the blog. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Drivers, this affects us all. If you have a video, just come to WarOnTruckers.com and click on the "Contact Us" tab and send me a message.
    Most of the trucks i see that are idling are doing so regardless of the temperature outside.

    If it was up to me, i'd make the fines double what they are now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejanh View Post
    Most of the trucks i see that are idling are doing so regardless of the temperature outside.

    If it was up to me, i'd make the fines double what they are now.
    So you'd fine me double if I were idling at 20 degrees or 100 degrees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzzsolo View Post
    Does anyone have a video of the Anti-Idling "SWEEPS" going on in Calif, Texas or anywhere else they would be willing to donate to WarOnTruckers? We as American truckers need to show the American People how truckers are treated like criminals just because we want to get a good night/day sleep. This video would be the first thing that visitors to WarOnTruckers would see before going to the blog. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Drivers, this affects us all. If you have a video, just come to WarOnTruckers.com and click on the "Contact Us" tab and send me a message.


    A freaking BLOG by a bunch of "Truckers", that comes across as whining, is going to get you exactly nowhere.


    To make things easier for me, I "cut & pasted" what I wrote on a different thread here on CAD, about this subject.

    Maybe you should read it. Follow my advice, get your friends to follow it, and all of their friends as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by orangetxguy
    (edited out) Truck idling laws have not been passed by the Fed's. They have all been passed by state legislator's and signed by those State's governor.

    Only the truck's cab heater is covered by Federal statute, and that says that the heater must be operable and not allow carbon-monoxide into the cab.

    Trucking Company Management and Truck Drivers ALL need to get on the same page, and take the idling issue directly to the DOT departments which cover driver health and truck safety. Those are the FMCSA and the Federal Highway Administration, as well as the National Transportation Safety Board. That is were it needs to start.

    A driver being unable to get the mandated rest, as the HOS regulations currently exist, in a comfortable heated or air conditioned cab, is not covered.

    The NTSB is the DOT body which handles safety issues. Heating and Air Conditioning inside the cab of the truck should fall within their realm, just as airliner safety and railroad safety does.

    It should be brought to the attention of the Department Heads at the DOT, the FMCSA, the FHA and the NTSB, that driver health (this legislation; Safe, Accountable, Flexible, and Efficient Transportation Equity Act; A Legacy for Users (SAFETEA-LU) is where driver health is currently the HOT topic) includes a comfortable sleeping environment, as defined by the individual, and his or her personal comfort level requirement, not by a clueless State Legislator.

    Driver's need to get the DOT on their side, and the best way to do that, is to LOBBY in an appropriate, and intelligent manner.

    Here is the link to safetealu;

    Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users (SAFETEA-LU)

    Something else worth looking over can be seen here;

    NTSB - Most Wanted


    It is incumbent upon us to inform the DOT that hypothermia and heat exhaustion affect driver health and well being.


    Now...How many CAD members, and how many CAD Lurkers, are willing to step up to the plate, and write a cohesive letter to all of the DOT departments I have mentioned, as well as to their Congressional delegation (2 US Senators plus their local US Congress-person)??

    If we as truck drivers want to do something in our own defense....THAT is where WE have to and must start.



    Instead of doing something sensible, as I have just suggested though, we as truck drivers will continue to sit on our hands and



    just sayin.




    Oh yeah.......another point that could be made to all of the Congress critters. Turning off the heat and air conditioning in ALL FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY and CITY buildings, not directly used for PUBLIC HEALTH (re: Hospitals), would save the American Taxpayers countless millions of dollars each and every day, and would have a direct effect on "Greening" the environment.


    Let them open their windows!!!


    like that is gonna happen

    The link for that thread is here.


    And to emphasis, When writing to Congress Critters and Government Agencies, said letters must be written with a clear and concise topic, with proper grammar and correct spelling.

    I am not to worried about anyone following this advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejanh View Post
    Most of the trucks i see that are idling are doing so regardless of the temperature outside.

    If it was up to me, i'd make the fines double what they are now.

    Perhaps their comfort level is different than yours.

    Perhaps they have an electric cooler, like I carry, that contains food stocks which are expensive, and spoil easily. Maybe. Maybe not.

    For what lunch meat, cheese, mayo, mustard, milk, etc cost, I will idle my truck and maintain the batteries, so they won't be ruined by the cooler, as well as to keep the cab interior at a comfortable temperature. I like to munch on cold crisp grapes..not hot soggy grapes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95 View Post
    So you'd fine me double if I were idling at 20 degrees or 100 degrees?
    If you turn your AC at 50 I'd fine you for sure.....

    About 90% of the pilot in Perrysburg ran last night, it was right around there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangetxguy View Post
    A freaking BLOG by a bunch of "Truckers", that comes across as whining, is going to get you exactly nowhere.


    To make things easier for me, I "cut & pasted" what I wrote on a different thread here on CAD, about this subject.

    Maybe you should read it. Follow my advise, get your friends to follow it, and all of their friends as well.





    The link for that thread is here.


    And to emphasis, When writing to Congress Critters and Government Agencies, said letters must be written with a clear and concise topic, with proper grammer and correct spelling.

    I am not to worried about anyone following this advise.
    correct spelling..

    I am not too worried about anyone following this advice.
    sorry, couldn't resist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredog View Post
    correct spelling..

    I am not too worried about anyone following this advice.
    sorry, couldn't resist



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzzsolo View Post
    [B]Does anyone have a video of the Anti-Idling "SWEEPS" going on in Calif, Texas
    Not sure why there would be sweeps in CA or TX, since in TX, HOS compliance is exempt from idling laws, and in CA, the exemption is called "queuing beyond 100 feet of residential."

    Sounds like you're barking up the wrong tree yet again, and helping to spread the misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangetxguy View Post
    When writing to Congress Critters and Government Agencies, said letters must be written with a clear and concise topic, with proper grammar and correct spelling.
    You sure are asking for a lot, aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    Not sure why there would be sweeps in CA or TX, since in TX, HOS compliance is exempt from idling laws, and in CA, the exemption is called "queuing beyond 100 feet of residential."

    Sounds like you're barking up the wrong tree yet again, and helping to spread the misinformation.
    Rev,

    You may well know more about this than I do, so could you show me that exemption?

    I idle when I have to, to be comfy. That included a 3 hour nap on an on-ramp in Marin County last Friday, (96+) and for part of that time I had a CHP hiding right in front of me. He never knocked on my door, so I never knocked on his. I would figure if they were going to mess with me anywhere, Marin would be the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower View Post
    Rev,

    You may well know more about this than I do, so could you show me that exemption?

    I idle when I have to, to be comfy. That included a 3 hour nap on an on-ramp in Marin County last Friday, (96+) and for part of that time I had a CHP hiding right in front of me. He never knocked on my door, so I never knocked on his. I would figure if they were going to mess with me anywhere, Marin would be the place.
    http://www.atri-online.org/research/...ium6_22_09.pdf

    Every state plus their exemptions to the law. One could say that in CA, idling the truck is to "prevent a safety or health emergency" too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    http://www.atri-online.org/research/...ium6_22_09.pdf

    Every state plus their exemptions to the law. One could say that in CA, idling the truck is to "prevent a safety or health emergency" too.

    Thank you, I'm not sure that would fly. The Cali municipal ordinances listed specifically state HOS compliance. The statewide one does not. Of course I'm not sure of the "spirit" of the reg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower View Post

    If I ever get a ticket you can come argue my case- Unless you want to send Golfhobo.......
    That all depends. Do you want to win?

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    Drivers needs to organize...share info...and network in order to take back their rights.

    You keep going back to square one when you try to get the elected officials

    to get you what you want....they are the twits that got us in the boat we are in now

    to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    http://www.atri-online.org/research/...ium6_22_09.pdf

    Every state plus their exemptions to the law. One could say that in CA, idling the truck is to "prevent a safety or health emergency" too.
    Sorry to burst your bubble but that pdf is old. Tx just passed no Idling period for any reason.And the only way to Idle in Cali is to either use an APU Or have a truck with a certified clean Idle sticker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pack_Rat View Post
    Sorry to burst your bubble but that pdf is old. Tx just passed no Idling period for any reason.And the only way to Idle in Cali is to either use an APU Or have a truck with a certified clean Idle sticker.

    I think you're right about Cali. But I still idle if it's too hot to sleep without A/C. And I see bazillions of other trucks doing the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pack_Rat View Post
    Sorry to burst your bubble but that pdf is old. Tx just passed no Idling period for any reason.And the only way to Idle in Cali is to either use an APU Or have a truck with a certified clean Idle sticker.
    I trust you have evidence of this? Not that I think that truck drivers are known for getting their facts wrong or anything. Honest.

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    From Reuters:
    ...As of September 1, 2009, certain cities and counties in Texas will no longer allow drivers to idle their trucks while using a sleeper berth to comply with government-mandated rest periods. A number of Texas cities and counties have agreed to enforcement of a State regulation which limits idling to 5-minutes from April through October while providing some operational exemptions...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    I trust you have evidence of this? Not that I think that truck drivers are known for getting their facts wrong or anything. Honest.
    I mean hey, you've never been wrong.

    Steve Booth told me so.

    And we all know he's never been wrong.

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