Palin to quit

[mommee]

Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer

I take exception to that for the simple matter that even the best intentioned parent doing their best to teach their children, doesn’t always succeed. From everything that I have read, the Palin family taught their children to have high standards and morals and Bristol – as all teenager do – had a mind of her own. I applaud the Palins for standing by their daughter and supporting her, even though her actions were certainly disappointing. The same would hold true with my children. They are my children and seem to have good heads on their shoulders. But with 7 of them, the odds are that one of them will screw things up before they’ve fully grown that frontal lobe in their brain. And I can love and support my child, even though their decision and their action would be disappointing. I tell my children all the time…forgiveness for doing stupid things will always be there. But many times, the consequences are for a lifetime.

i agree with TF here. i have a daughter and i hope i am teaching her to make good decisions in life. i don't understand why everyone was so upset when palin's daughter got pregnant. in truth, nobody would have cared if she wasn't running as VP. bristol would have just been another pregnant teen in alaska. it's a family matter, not a media matter.

i don't understand this whole 'hands off the obama family', while the media criticizes another. i recall our president taking exception to this when people started to say unkind things about his family. i don't think any family should be smeared in the name of an election, which is what happened. obama's girls will grow up to be teens and then we'll see what happens. teens have a mind of their own and know everything there is to know in life.

[GMAN]

I read something the other day that said Obama is working to repeal the 22nd amendment to the constitution. This is the amendment that limits the president to serving a maximum of 2 terms. He hasn't been office but a few months and is working on his third term. I think many people are beginning to wake up to what Obama is planning. He is moving so fast to get his agenda through so that most of our fellow citizens and representatives don't know what has happened until it is too late. If this country survives his administration I think Sara Palin and her conservative views would be welcomed with open arms. She was attacked personally. I don't recall anything being mentioned in the media about her views or record. I think that if she had been with a conservative in the election, rather than McCain she might have been sitting in the white house instead of Obama and Biden. If the media and politicians would attack their opponents record rather than doing all the personal attacks things would likely have turned out differently.

Let's face it. One of the primary reason Obama was elected was due to race. Many whites voted for him because they didn't want to appear prejudiced. Blacks voted for him because he was black. Some voted for Obama because they still hate Bush and want to get back at him for winning 2 elections. None of these is a good idea when it comes to voting. We should be looking at their voting record and personal views. It is getting much more difficult to find anyone who admits voting for Obama. Even Colin Powell is distancing himself from Obama. It would be refreshing if we could simply vote for the person and their views. I think one of the reasons so many people fail to vote is due to being disenfranchised due to all the negative personal attacks. There was so much made of Sara Palin's wardrobe and how much she spent on clothes. I don't recall anything mentioned about any of the other candidates wardrobe. I think the left is terrified of Palin and her conservative views. She struck a cord with the American people and that scares liberals. I don't know if she will run for president but she can be a strong advocate for conservative views. People respond to her in a very positive way. She comes across as one of the average people. It is nice to see a woman who isn't afraid to get her hands a little dirty, go hunting, fishing and then fry it up for dinner. When I have seen her it seems to me as though she is just being herself. There are so many times when I see liberals that they seem to stage everything for the camera's. If this country can survive Obama we are likely to see a new wave of conservatism ushered in. Notice I didn't say republican? There are many republicans who are not conservatives.

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by GMAN

I read something the other day that said Obama is working to repeal the 22nd amendment to the constitution. This is the amendment that limits the president to serving a maximum of 2 terms. He hasn't been office but a few months and is working on his third term.

This garbage makes the rounds every Presidential term. Obama is not working to repeal the 22nd Amendment. First of all, it would be Congress that would be doing it, and secondly, it would require a 2/3 majority passage in both the House and the Senate, and then 3/4 of the States would have to ratify it, which would never happen. Every Congress all the way back to the Carter years has introduced a bill to repeal the 22nd Amendment, and none of them go anywhere at all, and rightfully so.

I think the left is terrified of Palin and her conservative views.

No offense, but her views aren't all that conservative.

[dobry4u]

I am terrified of because she isn't very logical

[Syncrosonix]

Originally Posted by dobry4u

I am terrified of because she isn't very logical

so what. she has a nice ass, and that's all that matters!

[LightsChromeHorsepower]

Originally Posted by GMAN

I read something the other day that said Obama is working to repeal the 22nd amendment to the constitution. This is the amendment that limits the president to serving a maximum of 2 terms. He hasn't been office but a few months and is working on his third term. I think many people are beginning to wake up to what Obama is planning. He is moving so fast to get his agenda through so that most of our fellow citizens and representatives don't know what has happened until it is too late. If this country survives his administration I think Sara Palin and her conservative views would be welcomed with open arms. She was attacked personally. I don't recall anything being mentioned in the media about her views or record. I think that if she had been with a conservative in the election, rather than McCain she might have been sitting in the white house instead of Obama and Biden. If the media and politicians would attack their opponents record rather than doing all the personal attacks things would likely have turned out differently.

Let's face it. One of the primary reason Obama was elected was due to race. Many whites voted for him because they didn't want to appear prejudiced. Blacks voted for him because he was black. Some voted for Obama because they still hate Bush and want to get back at him for winning 2 elections. None of these is a good idea when it comes to voting. We should be looking at their voting record and personal views. It is getting much more difficult to find anyone who admits voting for Obama. Even Colin Powell is distancing himself from Obama. It would be refreshing if we could simply vote for the person and their views. I think one of the reasons so many people fail to vote is due to being disenfranchised due to all the negative personal attacks. There was so much made of Sara Palin's wardrobe and how much she spent on clothes. I don't recall anything mentioned about any of the other candidates wardrobe. I think the left is terrified of Palin and her conservative views. She struck a cord with the American people and that scares liberals. I don't know if she will run for president but she can be a strong advocate for conservative views. People respond to her in a very positive way. She comes across as one of the average people. It is nice to see a woman who isn't afraid to get her hands a little dirty, go hunting, fishing and then fry it up for dinner. When I have seen her it seems to me as though she is just being herself. There are so many times when I see liberals that they seem to stage everything for the camera's. If this country can survive Obama we are likely to see a new wave of conservatism ushered in. Notice I didn't say republican? There are many republicans who are not conservatives.

Am I the only person here that thinks your political/social opinions are downright scary?

Her's an interesting Palin story; Todd S. Purdum on Sarah Palin | vanityfair.com

It was written before her resignation, which Willie Brown (Say what you want, the guy is as honest about politics as anybody that has ever been involved) says is a stroke of political genius on her part.

[golfhobo]

I think the left is terrified of Palin and her conservative views.

There is so much more I would like to attack in your post, GMAN.... but, I'll settle for this for now as I'm short of time.

This has been the "conservative" rally cry for FAR too long! Let me set you and the record straight.

There is not a SINGLE Democrat or Liberal or Republican who changed sides or independent that is afraid of Sarah Palin.... for ANY reason!

The truth is.... we don't like her because she is ignorant concerning world politics, can't speak clearly and intelligently, and just doesn't have what it takes to be "next in line" to the highest office in the country.... or the leader of the free world!

It might surprise you to know that we LIKE her "folksy" ways. We LIKE that she hunts and fishes. It's just that.... unlike the starry eyed Conservatives who have nothing left to believe in.... we don't find these qualities to be enough to be our "leader."

I think that, with a little help and study, she would make a GOOD Congresswoman or Senator! But, she is NOT presidential material... period!

Some of you think that because she is "one of you" that she would be better than the polished politicians who often get elected. In today's world, that is just not practical. Some compare HER lack of experience to Obama's limited experience in the state and national legislature.... but, you fail to notice his legal education and his elevated position on the Law Review.

The last American President that was "just one of you/us" was probably Carter... and you guys HATED him! Even CLINTON was a RHODES scholar and finished his term (or two... I forget) as Governor of Arkansas!

Although I don't consider myself a Liberal, I am sick and tired of the "slamming" of Liberals by the conservative mouthpieces! It is a FACT that the education level of Liberals (and Democrats probably) exceeds that of the conservative population! Given that, it is not surprising that conservatives are enamored by this "common" woman who left her town of Wassilla IN DEBT, and has now left her state without her leadership as Governor.

If you all think she is the greatest thing since sliced bread, that only shows the limits of your expectations! But don't, for ONE minute, think that "WE" are in ANY way afraid of her! She ruined McCain's chances at the presidency... when he HAD a good chance because HE is a moderate!

She is NOT qualified.... plain and simple! The "media" didn't trash her... they "exposed" her! The ONLY minds they changed, were some of the independents and/or Republicans. No self-respecting Democrat/Liberal was buying her SCHTIK in the first place!

Personally..... I LIKE her! I LIKE her moxy. I LIKE her values. And I would like them regardless of her LOOKS! What I don't like is her LACK of understanding and experience of National and World politics. I.... and many LIKE me.... am not impressed by her folksy ways and looks. That is just NOT enough to make her qualified to lead my nation!

If you can find something about her OTHER than her "folksy" conservative values to believe in.... please TALK about them. I will be listening. But take off your ROSEY colored glasses and get REAL.

And "stuff" that rhetoric about us being AFRAID of her! I said it back then, and I maintain, that SHE was the best thing that happened to the Democratic ticket in this last election, and IF she manages to become your front runner in the next.... we'll win that one, too!

[ironeagle_2006]

I would take PALIN over ANY DEMOCRAP OUT THERE. Compared to OBAMA without HIS TELEPROMPTER she is a speaker in the ROLLS ROYCE CLASS and Obama is a 1 CYL John Deere with A MISS. Palin took on her OWN Party in Alaska to return MORE of the money from teh OIL revenue to the PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ALASKA neogsiated the LARGEST Natural Gas deal in the History of America with Canada that is worth close to 1 TRILLION BUCKS. She also secured the Alasaka Fishing Grounds from the Russians Japansese and Korean fleets for another 30 years yet SHE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT INTERNATIONAL POLITICS. Yet all we hear from Obama is I am SO SORRY TO DESPOT NATIONS HE CAN NOT EVEN GIVE THE RIGHT DVD's to the PM of our CLOSEST ALLY in Great Britain yet you LIBERALS THINK HE WALKS ON WATER. He is so full of CRAP and HAS BEEN SINCE HE WAS ELECTED TO THE ILLINOIS STATE SENATE THAT WE ARE STILL TRYING TO CLEAR THE CRAPPER OUT IN SPRINGFIELD.

[AC120]

What with everything that's been said and written about Palin since she announced she was quitting, Peggy Noonan's Wall Street Journal article stands out. Noonan's conservative, doesn't care for Palin, isn't fooled by her and nailed it, IMO. http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

LightsChromeHorsepower: thanks for the VF link! Been meaning to read Purdin's article. Those who called Palin 'narcissistic' tie in nicely with Noonan's take on the babe. Personally, I never could stand cheerleader types. A priss-butt for POTUS? I don't think so.

Then there's this, just for laughs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IzNPEGWNos

[dobry4u]

Originally Posted by Syncrosonix

so what. she has a nice ass, and that's all that matters!

In that case,,,, I should be Empress of the Universe!

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by dobry4u

In that case,,,, I should be Empress of the Universe!

Are you trying to say that you're all... Ummm........ I think I'd better go home... I think hear my mommy calling.....

[dobry4u]

Originally Posted by Windwalker

Are you trying to say that you're all... Ummm........ I think I'd better go home... I think hear my mommy calling.....

all ummm... nice...

You know it

[golfhobo]

GMAN:

I apologize if I came off as insulting to you. I didn't mean it that way. I have a lot of respect for you and some of your opinions.

I'm just sick and tired of hearing how anyone who voted against McCain/Palin is "scared to death" of her! We're NOT!

I don't really understand WHAT it is y'all see in her. But I guarantee that IF she has any redeeming qualities.... it is NOT that she somehow "scares" us!

The ONLY thing about her that scares us, is how close she came to being one heart attack away from the Presidency!

[1catfish]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

GMAN:

I apologize if I came off as insulting to you. I didn't mean it that way. I have a lot of respect for you and some of your opinions.

I'm just sick and tired of hearing how anyone who voted against McCain/Palin is "scared to death" of her! We're NOT!

I don't really understand WHAT it is y'all see in her. But I guarantee that IF she has any redeeming qualities.... it is NOT that she somehow "scares" us!

The ONLY thing about her that scares us, is how close she came to being one heart attack away from the Presidency!

you should be happy,your mans in there!

[GMAN]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

GMAN:

I apologize if I came off as insulting to you. I didn't mean it that way. I have a lot of respect for you and some of your opinions.

I'm just sick and tired of hearing how anyone who voted against McCain/Palin is "scared to death" of her! We're NOT!

I don't really understand WHAT it is y'all see in her. But I guarantee that IF she has any redeeming qualities.... it is NOT that she somehow "scares" us!

The ONLY thing about her that scares us, is how close she came to being one heart attack away from the Presidency!

You are free to express your opinions, golfhobo. I don't think that those who voted against her are scared of her. I do think that her political adversaries do fear her, not necessarily as a person, but her values and ideals. It seems that when liberals find someone who's ideals are not the same as their own then they tend to attack the individual, not the ideals. The thing that scares liberals about Sara Palin is that the issues and ideals that she shares are those of most Americans. It involves the basic issues of freedom, personal responsibility and of a smaller government. It includes protecting those ideals at all costs. There was little said about her values and voting record, or how she ran her state. It was a continuous attack of her and her family. There was more said about her over spending of a wardrobe (at the insistance of the GOP) than real issues. I agree that she may not be as polished as Obama and some of the other career politicians. But she knows how to run a business and earn an honest living. Most of the politicians we have in Washington have no idea of how to earn a living, even the president. He never held a real job in his life, yet he is now our elected president. Personal attacks are not new to liberals or the Obama administration. Just look back at Clinton. Now there was a master of destroying the opposition whether the issues or statements were true or not.

As far as the appeal of Sara Palin is concerned it is very simple. We see her as someone who has values and isn't afraid to speak out about important issues. She expresses her values without taking a poll to see what she should say to get the best sound byte. One reason she may come of as unpolished is due to which sound bytes the media chooses to use. The fact that she is not a career politician is another great appeal to many of us. Biden, Obama, Pelosi and most of the other politicians are there to get what they can. Few of then have ever held a real job. They are not in touch with this country or what is right and wrong. That is obvious in the way they conduct themselves. I don't think it affects only the liberals, either. There are a number of republicans who need to go home as well. Most of them stay much longer than needed. Most come out much richer than when they entered office. She comes across as knowing right from wrong. It is obvious that Obama and the liberals want to change America. They want an all powerful government with citizens reliant on that government for their livelihood and existence. I too would like to see change. However, the change that I would like to see is to get rid of most of the government and go back to a constitutional form of government. The primary function of our government should be to protect this country. Our government was originally set up to provide a basic framework to take care of the nations business. That did not include taking over businesses or providing an income for millions of citizens and illegals. I think she espouses those values. She doesn't think that government should be so powerful. She seems to believe that a smaller government is better. Government should work for the people. Today, the people work for the government.

I don't mean to get up on my soapbox so much. I suppose that I have been doing much more of that lately. I am just fed up with these people pushing all this spending down our throats. I am tired of Obama trying to fashion this government after the old Soviet Union with all of his Czars. He is setting himself up to become a true dictator. I don't recall another president since I have been around that has pushed for so much power. For someone who is supposed to be so smart, someone needs to tell him that socialism didn't work in the Soviet Union or countless other states and it won't work here. Socialism has broken every country that has tried it.

[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by 1catfish

you should be happy,your mans in there!

You don't know me, and I don't know you.... so, I'll play nice.

I wouldn't say that Obama is "my man." Right up close to the end, I was still seriously considering McCain because he is a MODERATE who shares SOME of my views and has more experience than any of the other candidates.

He LOST me when he picked Palin for the most transparent and shallow of reasons!

He lost me even MORE, when he stumbled and bumbled through the townhall debates.

I don't like everything Obama is doing. I don't blame him for SOME of it, as a pile of chit was dumped in his lap.

Considering that I am anti Conservative (ONLY because of the stance THEY take,) anti Moral Majority and anti "Big Business fellatiating" Republicans.... and as a "registered" Democrat.... I had a choice between Obama and Hillary!

Between the two of THEM?? Yes.... I am glad it was Obama instead of HER. I am in agreement with MANY here who are dismayed at the choices BOTH parties have presented in recent years. Mostly, I despair that ALL politics are so partisan.

I am a "Centrist" who believes there is room to accomodate ALL views within our government, and would like to find common ground to solve problems without "disenfranchising" half the population with every decision our government makes. Unfortunately... the lobbyists and PACS and "interest groups" don't share my tolerance.

Do I LIKE Obama? Yes. Do I like everything he is doing? No. But, neither do I like what has happened in the last 8 years under Bush. I'm a capitalist, but I cannot tolerate the greed and corruption that was "subsidised" under his administration. I am NOT for tax breaks to the richest, (paid with taxpayer dollars) particularly the CEO's of corporations, who make BILLIONS in profits while shipping the "middle class" overseas!

Like GMAN, I am a Constitutionalist who believes the government should protect us from ALL enemies both foreign AND domestic. I am of the opinion that class warfare was STARTED in this country by the upper class! If it takes more government to combat them, well.... that is better than an armed revolution like the one that ended the reign of Louis 14th!

But, make no mistake.... a revolution is coming. Madoff and his ilk are going DOWN! Dick Cheney and the Halliburton's of this country are going to be held accountable. Ken Lay and Enron was just the first volley of the war. "USURY" is against the law.... and the credit card companies/banks will yield! No one is against "profit making," but Americans are not real fond of "oppression."

I doubt Obama will effect HALF the "change" he intends. But, I have no doubt that he has awakened America to the NEED for change and has galvanized the force FOR it. Whether he gains a second term or not is immaterial to me, as long as the country "corrects" the path that it has been on lately.

I LOVE this country. I want the best opportunity for ALL its citizens. I want what is FAIR.... not welfare! I want STRENGTH in the world.... but, not through intimidation and underhanded dealings behind closed doors. I want to BE that "shining light" but it comes only through example.

I DARE say that, I want what YOU want. We are BOTH.... and ALL.... Americans!

Hobo

[VitoCorleone99]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

I am NOT for tax breaks to the richest, (paid with taxpayer dollars)...

How do you feel about companies that send their mail-in rebates to the people who made the original purchase? I hate that.

[Rev.Vassago]

Yeah, how dare they use taxpayer dollars to give tax breaks to the people who pay most of the taxes in the first place. It's unfair, I tell ya! Somebody ought to come in and promise tax breaks to the people who aren't even paying any taxes at all! Unless of course they shop at Wal Mart, because then they would be shipping jobs overseas. That would be the right thing to do! Maybe this Palin character can give us hope for this kind of change!

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by VitoCorleone99

How do you feel about companies that send their mail-in rebates to the people who made the original purchase? I hate that.

Screw the "REBATE" thing altogether. Just lower the price tag.
What's so damned difficult about that?

Oh, not everybody sends for the rebate, so they get o keep a larger share.
Phhhhhht...

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

You don't know me, and I don't know you.... so, I'll play nice.

I wouldn't say that Obama is "my man." Right up close to the end, I was still seriously considering McCain because he is a MODERATE who shares SOME of my views and has more experience than any of the other candidates.

He LOST me when he picked Palin for the most transparent and shallow of reasons!

He lost me even MORE, when he stumbled and bumbled through the townhall debates.

I don't like everything Obama is doing. I don't blame him for SOME of it, as a pile of chit was dumped in his lap.

Considering that I am anti Conservative (ONLY because of the stance THEY take,) anti Moral Majority and anti "Big Business fellatiating" Republicans.... and as a "registered" Democrat.... I had a choice between Obama and Hillary!

Between the two of THEM?? Yes.... I am glad it was Obama instead of HER. I am in agreement with MANY here who are dismayed at the choices BOTH parties have presented in recent years. Mostly, I despair that ALL politics are so partisan.

I am a "Centrist" who believes there is room to accomodate ALL views within our government, and would like to find common ground to solve problems without "disenfranchising" half the population with every decision our government makes. Unfortunately... the lobbyists and PACS and "interest groups" don't share my tolerance.

Do I LIKE Obama? Yes. Do I like everything he is doing? No. But, neither do I like what has happened in the last 8 years under Bush. I'm a capitalist, but I cannot tolerate the greed and corruption that was "subsidised" under his administration. I am NOT for tax breaks to the richest, (paid with taxpayer dollars) particularly the CEO's of corporations, who make BILLIONS in profits while shipping the "middle class" overseas!

Like GMAN, I am a Constitutionalist who believes the government should protect us from ALL enemies both foreign AND domestic. I am of the opinion that class warfare was STARTED in this country by the upper class! If it takes more government to combat them, well.... that is better than an armed revolution like the one that ended the reign of Louis 14th!

But, make no mistake.... a revolution is coming. Madoff and his ilk are going DOWN! Dick Cheney and the Halliburton's of this country are going to be held accountable. Ken Lay and Enron was just the first volley of the war. "USURY" is against the law.... and the credit card companies/banks will yield! No one is against "profit making," but Americans are not real fond of "oppression."

I doubt Obama will effect HALF the "change" he intends. But, I have no doubt that he has awakened America to the NEED for change and has galvanized the force FOR it. Whether he gains a second term or not is immaterial to me, as long as the country "corrects" the path that it has been on lately.

I LOVE this country. I want the best opportunity for ALL its citizens. I want what is FAIR.... not welfare! I want STRENGTH in the world.... but, not through intimidation and underhanded dealings behind closed doors. I want to BE that "shining light" but it comes only through example.

I DARE say that, I want what YOU want. We are BOTH.... and ALL.... Americans!

Hobo

Dear Hobo,

Please keep in mind the fact that for the rest of us, even an "air-head" would be far better than the current "business as usual". You voted for a "change". You got a change. The President has darker skin, and the price tag went from $154 Billion to $3.7 Trillion. And, don't expect anything else to change.

OH, we'll get "clean air" legislation, and overlook other things that will affect our environment, like the liquid hydrogen that escapes into the atmosphere. Hydrogen is one half the atomic weight of helium, and filters up in our atmosphere to the outer reaches of earth's envelope, and from there, lost in space forever. So, for each molecule we lose, we lose that much of our water supply.

But that's not in vogue right now, so nothing is going to be done about that.

Palin would have been a change. Obama is simply more of the same.