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[cdswans]

I just caught the tail end of a news story that said, in a ruling by the U. S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, employers can't restrict an employees right to keep a gun in their locked motor vehicle while the motor vehicle is on company property. I searched for a link to back that up but didn't find one. The jist of the ruling was that an employees rights don't end at the employers property line.

I'm hearing more now and it's coming from the NRA news channel, Sirius Patriot 144. I'll search further and try to get a link.

That could have favorable implications for Drivers who desire to carry. I'm looking into it.

And I found it . .

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic...0_DENVER773048

"DENVER — Oklahoma’s law requiring employers to allow workers to have guns in their locked vehicles at work is valid, an appeals court decided Wednesday."

The text of the 23 page ruling hasn't been posted to the site I subscribe to.

[Windwalker]

I still don't see what that has to do with drivers that want to carry guns in their trucks.

And, after my own experience, I'll just sit in the truck and dial 9-1-1... They get paid to face up to "armed and dangerous"... I don't. I've slowed down a bit over the last 40 years. Also found out he had one hell of a LEFT HOOK.

[dobry4u]

I took a CCW class. It was taught by NRA folks. The MI State Police have people that give the class as well and I would imagine it was a little different perspective.

I think shooting targets is a lot of fun, but I really don't think I could shoot a person. Even if it was a matter of saving myself. I believe in everyone's right to own a gun, don't get me wrong, I just don't think I could do it, so I didn't invest in a hand gun. My oldest has an AK-47 and an AR-15 just to have and obviously doesn't share the same prospective !

[Mackman]

I still don't see what that has to do with drivers that want to carry guns in their trucks.

And, after my own experience, I'll just sit in the truck and dial 9-1-1... They get paid to face up to "armed and dangerous"... I don't. I've slowed down a bit over the last 40 years. Also found out he had one hell of a LEFT HOOK.

Well i hope they get there in time to help you.

Seconds seem like minutes and minutes seem like hours.

[Mackman]

I think shooting targets is a lot of fun, but I really don't think I could shoot a person. Even if it was a matter of saving myself.

When it comes down to it. You will do anything to save your life. Even if it means taking someone else's. Hopefully you or anyone else will never have to be in that position. But it does happen. I have my carry permit and the only time i really carry is when i go into Philly. Other then that it stays under my bed.

[Windwalker]

Well i hope they get there in time to help you.

Seconds seem like minutes and minutes seem like hours.

When they got there, I had him on the ground, face down, and spread out. I really don't know if he'll ever use his right arm or shoulder again. I think I tore about everything loose up there. But while I had both my arms and hands busy with his right shoulder, his left arm was free to swing. My right eye about swelled shut after that. The scabs are starting to peel off now, and the swelling has gone down a lot. Still tender, though.

First time I've ever faced a situation since I've been driving, and having a weapon of my own would have been no help at all.

[carlos64030]

All I have to say is, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[Mackman]

All I have to say is, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Another good one is

I RATHER HAVE IT AND NOT NEED IT, THEN TO NEED IT AND NOT HAVE IT

[cdswans]

I still don't see what that has to do with drivers that want to carry guns in their trucks.

It's more or less a "toe in the door" ruling.

Based on what I've heard, there are many significant components within the ruling. The two that I find most interesting are:

1. It was a unanimous ruling by a 3 judge panel. I didn't have to read the ruling to grasp the significance of this. It means a couple of things . . the ruling is well supported by case law which greatly diminishes the likelyhood of an appeal. It also sets a strong precedent for pending and future 2nd Amendment litigation.

2. Apparently there is language within the ruling that states the 2nd Amendment is no less important than the 1st. (I haven't read the ruling but I will just as soon as it's posted.) That's some pretty strong language in support for the 2nd Amendment and it comes on the heels of other favorable rulings including one by the U. S. Supreme Court.

If you were a gun enthusiast the significance to you would be much more apparent. That's why I directed the thread towards enthusiasts. The bottom line is there have been many successful efforts to place limits on those who embrace the 2nd Amendment. Here is an example of the second highest court in the land tearing one down. It's also a workplace issue. It affirms that my rights don't end at the bosses door. I am one step closer to a legal carry.

There are plenty of crazy people out here as it is. With the tanking economy, I expect the number will continue to grow and the degree of desperation will grow right along with it. To that end, I'm with Carlos and Mackman.

Most significant of all, perhaps, is that it is a successful defense of our Constitution itself. That is especially refreshing in light of current events at the hands of our current administration. Yahoo!

[GMAN]

Obama and the anti American socialist chickencrats plan on attacking the 2nd amendment during his administration. I heard something about them wanting to restrict our ability to purchase ammunition since they have had some legal losses recently. Since they have been unable to get rid of the 2nd amendment they plan on going after the ammunition which will make owning the gun useless.

[repete]

Obama and the anti American socialist chickencrats plan on attacking the 2nd amendment during his administration. I heard something about them wanting to restrict our ability to purchase ammunition since they have had some legal losses recently. Since they have been unable to get rid of the 2nd amendment they plan on going after the ammunition which will make owning the gun useless.

You are so right G, and it would/will be easer then most people think. The ground work is already there. (amount and type) and other restrictions on ammo. I know I know who "needs" amour piercing ammo for a hand gun? There are people talking about calber restrictions (a .50 bmg will kill you deader than .380)and banning the use of lead bullets!!And one of my favorites is putting a serial no. on each bullet! What a joke, problem is it's not funny!

Has anyone here gone to a gun show lately? Or just checked on the price of ammo? If not your in for a surprise!

[Windwalker]

I'll take the kind where everything goes in at the front sight. I can make the caliber any size I want on the lathe, and when melting down the batteries and casting the lead, I can put anything in the middle that I desire.

Oh, and where was I supposed to put that serial number????

[jonp]

As an NRA Endowment Life Member this is a subject near and dear to my heart. There was just a court ruling in Wisconsin on a persons right to open carry when the law does not specifically ban it.

The man was doing yard work at his home wearing a firearm in a holster and a neighbor saw it. The neighbor called the cops and the cops showed up, seized his gun and gave him a ticket for disorderly conduct. This is a tactic that many localities use to restrict your lawful right to open carry.
The judge ruled that if you can carry openly under state law then you can.

Couple of things: The police chief of that town (West Allis) said he would pretty much keep doing what he was doing judge ruling or not. That man needs to be fired. Also, what the frig kind of neighbors does that guy have?

[jonp]

By the way, you need to be careful about carry in your semi. If your in a company truck then its not your truck. The cops/DOT can search it and if they find the gun and your not carrying it in a legal manner as proscribed by the jurisdiction your in you will probaly go to jail. Most companies I know of now restrict the carry of firearms in their vehicles mostly for insurance purposes and if your otr you might be sent to canada. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO ENTER CANADA WITH A HANDGUN!

The cops/DOT can search the truck and if they find the gun and your not carrying it in a legal manner as proscribed by the jurisdiction your in you will probaly go to jail.

[cdswans]

Regrettably, I can't and don't carry. For now I have to be content with an improvised slingshot.

Obamanation's AG Holder announced today they will be pursuing an assault weapons ban. Gee . . and he said he wouldn't. I'm so disillusioned.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

dobry4u . . hide your son!

[Biscuit Lips]

The man was doing yard work at his home wearing a firearm in a holster and a neighbor saw it. The neighbor called the cops and the cops showed up, seized his gun and gave him a ticket for disorderly conduct.

WTF, who wears a firearm on their hip when doing yard work? Was he anticipating being attacked by a wild boar or something. I wouldn't call the fuzz, but I would laugh at him/her for a long while.

[Uturn2001]

I just love these quotes from that news conference cdswans linked to.

Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.

In talking about the assault weapons ban Obama wants to bring back AG Holder said:

"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum."

and then a bit later the article says:

A State Department travel warning issued Feb. 20, 2009, reflected government concerns about the violence.
"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."

Now last time I knew the average citizen could not buy fully automatic weapons nor could they buy grenades. So how is banning "assault weapons" going to help anything across the border.

[ct77]

I still don't see what that has to do with drivers that want to carry guns in their trucks.

And, after my own experience, I'll just sit in the truck and dial 9-1-1... They get paid to face up to "armed and dangerous"... I don't. I've slowed down a bit over the last 40 years. Also found out he had one hell of a LEFT HOOK.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

[Windwalker]

WTF, who wears a firearm on their hip when doing yard work? Was he anticipating being attacked by a wild boar or something. I wouldn't call the fuzz, but I would laugh at him/her for a long while.

There are areas in WI that you might be a bit concerned about bears, but West Allis is not one of them. Down here in FL, there are areas that I would want to carry when doing yard work. No doubt about it. There are snakes that can put a squeeze on you that can break every bone in your body. They may not be able to swallow you, but they sure can kill you. And, it's not out in the country there either. That's right in town. There is an animal control officer that is removing very large constrictors from people's back yards every week. I have no doubt where some of the missing pets went, and I even wonder about a couple of the "AMBER ALERTS".

Yeah, if I lived in those couple of areas farther south, I would certainly want a firearm when doing yard work. And, I'd use it if I had to. Some of those pythons will come after you to attack you. That rake isn't likely to be very effective against a 6,000 PSI "HUG".

[Uturn2001]

Things would have to change a lot before drivers would be able to legally carry a firearm in their truck.

1. You have 100's of different laws on how to legally transport a weapon, not to mention many states do not have carry options per se'.

2. You have the fact that, for company drivers at least, the truck is the property of the company and as the owner the company does have a right to say what can and can't be in or on that truck.

3. That ruling says an employer can't restrict the rights of an employee from keeping a firearm in the employee's vehicle while on the employer's property. I do not believe that ruling covers the rights of visitors to a place of business which is what most truck drivers would be.

Even though this ruling, for the time being, only really has impact for residents of Oklahoma it could have implications far more reaching eventually for the rights of legal gun owners in regards to having weapons in their personal vehicles or other types of property that they own.

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On a side note regarding truck drivers and carrying guns in their trucks:

While I am generally for gun rights I am more than happy when it comes to truck drivers that guns generally are not allowed in a truck either through the complications of various laws or company policy. Given the stresses of the job I am concerned that what many times is nothing more than verbal release could all to easily escalate into something with serious consequences if drivers had easy access to a firearm while on the job.