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Thread: Ya, it's definitely getting bad now

  1. 01-30-2009 03:21 PM #1
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    Default Ya, it's definitely getting bad now

    My company has been in business since 1903. We've got a total of 64 company drivers and something like 10-15 owner operators. I went in this morning to get my truck loaded and found out that our night dispatcher has been laid off.

    After I picked up my load, I had to put my truck in the shop for it's PM. One of the mechanics asked me if I was one of the lucky ones. Not having a clue, I asked what he meant. Not only did they lay off the night dispatch, they also laid off 16 company drivers and cancelled the leases for all owner operators. A couple of the o/o's have been leased to our company for 30+ years.

    Also, they said that this is their first EVER layoff since the company was established. It made it through the Depression without a single layoff, and now this.

    Ya, it's definitely getting bad...
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    what company is this??
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    1903?? Dag gum. I wonder how many miles a day you got behind a team of mules.
    Wow. Sorry to hear that. Well, I hope nothing happens to ya, Malaki. Keep us posted.


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    I don't exactly understand why you would get rid of O/O's. Cutting out the help you give them is understandable but dropping them totally? Nursery near me has gotten rid of their company drivers and gone strictly O/O. Owner said it was cheaper for him to get O/O's(which he gives no assistance to) than to pay for a company truck in fuel, mechanics, taxes, a truck payment and still have to pay the driver on top of it.
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    The only reason I could see on dropping the o/o's would be to be able to keep more company drivers running. I dunno.

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    Yeah that would keep your company drivers on and moving but it is worse for the company itself than if you kept the O/O's on. Bad for Mal but good for the company(saves them some money) whereas dropping the O/O's, good for Mal, bad for the company. Sux that it's coming to that for companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95 View Post
    Yeah that would keep your company drivers on and moving but it is worse for the company itself than if you kept the O/O's on. Bad for Mal but good for the company(saves them some money) whereas dropping the O/O's, good for Mal, bad for the company. Sux that it's coming to that for companies.
    It says a lot about the company that they chose to do things the way they did. Either that, or they are seeing an end to the downturn in the forseeable future, and are simply trying to survive until then. It's easy enough to hire on O/O's when the market begins to pick up again.
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    I would say that "down-sizing" is better than closing their doors completely... I've heard of a few that did that too.

    For the past year, I've been seeing vehicles loaded with household goods, going north out of here. Not the usual ones either. They look just like pictures from the GREAT DEPRESSION, but the vehicles are much newer. In VA, I've had a couple of them ask me if I could spare some money for gas for them. They were trying to get up to CT and NY and MA, to try to get jobs and start over.

    And, about a year ago, they had an article about "TENT CITIES" across the country. There were people that made their way to Reno, NV, hoping to get jobs in a couple of casinos, only to find that the casinos were not hiring either. It's been bad, but it's getting worse. Catapillar is laying off 70,000 just in the US, from what I heard too.

    Check my pictures... There's a "SALUTE to the OIL COMPANIES" on there... But, now the oil prices have come down a bit, and when are food prices going to do the same?????
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    Destroy the farms...
    and grass will grow in the streets of the cities.

    Destroy the economy of the blue-collar worker...
    and grass will grow in the executive offices.

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    Well if I had 65 trucks and 20 O/O but only had enough freight for a total of 60 trucks I think I too would dump the O/O. Why would I want 20 some odd trucks that I own sitting in my yard not making any money? O/O are a cheap way of expanding when freight is easy to get but when there's not enough freight....I dunno, just saying.
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    Business is about making adjustments. We make adjustments to meet market changes. For some it may involve reducing payroll or eliminating some owner operators. Small carriers may let their authority go to lease on to larger carriers to reduce costs. Large carriers may lay off company drivers and either hire owner operators or keep those they have. Some company divers may become owner operators while other owner operators may elect to get their authority and go out on their own. Each of us does what we feel is right for our business. Regardless of which position we are in we are all in for a bumpy ride. Things will get better but are likely to get a bit rough before things change.
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    Malaki...regarding the 1903 comment and mules:
    I seem to remember you posted some pictured that your company had from back in that time frame when they were using horse or mule trains to pull large drayage wagons. They were pretty cool pics!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geomon View Post
    Malaki...regarding the 1903 comment and mules:
    I seem to remember you posted some pictured that your company had from back in that time frame when they were using horse or mule trains to pull large drayage wagons. They were pretty cool pics!!
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    I'm starting to feel the pinch myself at the local level. We are now on a govt. schedule for working. If the govt. is off, we are off from now on. Been told we may need a miracle to survive, of the 70 or so workers, all but 15 of us have been laid off. The company is better off than they were in '91 when they had tons of money they still owed when things went south in construction but we aren't safe this time either. We don't owe all that money but we also don't have any work going on...........
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    This economy effects everyone. Large company or small, rich or poor we are all in this together. Some will survive and others will not. Those who do survive will make changes that are necessary to insure that they can keep the lights on while things crumble around them. For some it may necessitate cutting employee pay or laying off workers. It the money or business is not there then you must cut expenses if you are to survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windwalker View Post
    Catapillar is laying off 70,000 just in the US, from what I heard too.
    Yes, Cat did lay-off bigtime. My family (sister and her husband) do a lot of work (utility construction) with them and it has messed up a few things.
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