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    Default ... Do I have this Straight ?

    I"d really like to have some straight answers from those who have actually did time researching to find the correct answeres ????

    ,,,,,,,,DO I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT?

    HIS FATHER WAS A BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM FROM KENYA.
    WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS AFRICAN FAMILY.
    HIS MOTHER WAS A WHITE AMERICAN ATHEIST FROM KANSAS.
    WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS AMERICAN FAMILY?
    HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND WENT
    BACK TO AFRICA BY WAY OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY. HOW?
    WAS HIS FATHER WEALTHY?
    HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND THEN MOVED TO JAKARTA
    WHERE HE WAS ENROLLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .
    WHEN HE REACHED HIGH SCHOOL AGE, HIS MOTHER SENT HIM TO HAWAII TO BE WITH
    HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS AND HE WAS PUT INTO AN EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL.
    HE LATER WENT TO HARVARD UNIVERSITY. HOW?
    WERE HIS GRANDPARENTS RICH?
    HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION HOUSE OBTAINED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A WEALTHY FUNDRAISER. HOW?
    HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO . HE HAS NEVER HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB OR RECEIVED A PAY CHECK THAT WAS NOT GOVERNMENT-FUNDED
    AND/OR TAYPAYER SUPPORTED.
    THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POSITION, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO
    AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES; ON-THE-JOB TRAINING WON'T CUT IT.
    HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL
    WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE.
    HE IS PROUD OF HIS 'AFRICAN HERITAGE' (A FATHER WHO GOT A WHITE GIRL
    PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER).
    WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS 'WHITE HERITAGE'? (A MOTHER WHO FLAUNTED
    CONVENTION AND DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD).
    SOME MIGHT THINK THERE WAS NOT MUCH TO BE PROUD OF EITHER WAY.
    HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN 'AFRO-CENTRIC'
    CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA
    FOR ALL THE WORLD'S PERCEIVED FAULTS. (INCLUDING CREATING THE AIDs VIRUS
    IN ORDER TO INFLICT IT ON AFRICANS).
    HE REPEATEDLY WHITEWASHES THE PASTOR, HIS CHURCH AND THE MEMBERS
    WHO CHEERED AFTER HEARING VITRIOLIC TIRADES AGAINST AMERICA.
    HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE
    HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ?
    YEAH RIGHT ! !
    DURING HIS VERY BRIEF TIME IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE HE HAS
    MANAGED TO AMASS THE NUMBER ONE ULTRA LIBERAL VOTING RECORD
    OUT OF THE ONE HUNDRED MEMBERS.
    HE HAS VOTED CONSISTENTLY FOR BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND HIGHER TAXES.
    HE HAS VOTED FOR BIG ENTITLEMENTS AND LEGISLATION THAT WOULD SEVERELY CURTAIL AMERICA'S ABILITY TO FIGHT TERRORISM AND TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS
    AND OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS AROUND THE WORLD.
    BUT, HE IS A GOOD ORATOR. ISN'T THAT A COMFORT?
    YEAH, I THINK I SEE HOW WELL HE COULD UNITE THE COUNTRY.
    I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER.
    "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,THIS IS YOUR CO-PILOT. LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR
    NEW CHIEF PILOT.HE HAS NEVER FLOWN AN AIRPLANE, IN FACT HE HAS NEVER EVEN
    SAT IN THE COCKPIT, BUT HE SAYS HE HAS RIDDEN ON PLANES BEFORE. WE ARE SURE
    HE WILL GUIDE US SAFELY THROUGH THE STORMS WE MAY ENCOUNTER ON THIS FLIGHT.
    PEOPLE WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD THE STORY ABOUT THE WOLF HIDING IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING SO HE CAN DESTROY THEM FROM WITH-IN ?
    THE HAND WRITING IS ON THE WALL, DO YOU NOT HAVE EYES TO SEE IT ?

    THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY!
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    Roses; Am not sure about commenting on this being I am an outsider, BUT I think you also need an outsiders point of view.

    So, at the risk of being attacked, etc here goes...

    This man scares the hell out of the rest of the world.

    Whether the US likes it or not, YOU are the world's policeman. The US is the ONLY country with enough clout to stand up to the wack jobs out there. The rest of us, & yes, I include Canada in this, are a bunch of whooses that can't defend ourselves.

    Our liberal governments have decimated our militaries & have turned our citizens into a bunch of pansies who think everyone can be "fixed" by talking to them. Nobody has the balls to stand up & be counted anymore.

    It is my strong opinion that something HORRIBLE is going to happen right before your election in the fall. There is too much "sabre rattling" going on between Iran & Isreal these days & I personally think Isreal is going to do something before Mr. Bush leaves office, because they don't want to take the chance that Mr. Obama will be your next president. Even THEY don't trust him.

    This is an extremely dangerous world we live in, & we are not only being attacked from without, but from within as well. And the biggest trouble is that we are all so busy with our own lives to notice what is going on.

    Have you noticed how extreme the liberal views are now? And how truly ugly they get if you disagree with them? Have you noticed they NEVER answer a question? They have their "talking points" & that's what they stick to.

    I'm not sure where I sit politically, tho I definitely lean right, there are some issues I definitely sit on the fence about, but mostly I sit squarely in the "middle", I suppose you would call me a strong "independent".

    I don't pretend to understand your political system, but I most certainly pay close attention to it. The fate of the whole world depends on you guys whether you like it or not.

    God help us all if your citizens don't get that.

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    I see a conflict of information here. I have other information that he was a Muslim for 41 years, until his wife influenced him to change and seek higher office. At the same time, the other information I have says he was "close" to the the "reverend" and the church. (Personally, I think I'd put more trust in his "ATHEIST" mother.)

    But, what I really do find interesting... In all my travels around the country, I have YET to meet one person that truly supports him. I either find those that have not made up their minds, or those that are terrified of him. I want to know just who is supporting him. He has got to have some kind of support or he would not be where he is, but I can not find them. Those of us that actually work for a living easily outnumber those that do not. All we need to do is go to the polls and vote this year, and we can put ANYONE in office that WE want. There has to be more than a thousand of us to each one of them.
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    Destroy the farms...
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    Destroy the economy of the blue-collar worker...
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    The conflict I mentioned above...

    7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it
    daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that
    faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run
    for office. 4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in
    islam'"

    Then, this...

    HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN 'AFRO-CENTRIC'
    CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA
    FOR ALL THE WORLD'S PERCEIVED FAULTS. (INCLUDING CREATING THE AIDs VIRUS
    IN ORDER TO INFLICT IT ON AFRICANS).
    HE REPEATEDLY WHITEWASHES THE PASTOR, HIS CHURCH AND THE MEMBERS
    WHO CHEERED AFTER HEARING VITRIOLIC TIRADES AGAINST AMERICA.
    HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE
    HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ?

    And, how old is he? Also, he has stated he didn't know that the Reverend Sharpton had extremist (whacko) views. Maybe if he was actually a practicing Muslim, he would not have paid any attention when he was in church. But then again, from what I'm hearing from various quarters, maybe he really doesn't pay much attention to anything, anytime.-
    Destroy the cities...
    and they will rebuild them.
    Destroy the farms...
    and grass will grow in the streets of the cities.

    Destroy the economy of the blue-collar worker...
    and grass will grow in the executive offices.

    The bill has come due.
    ( R E T I R E D , and glad of it)


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    I read an article the other day that talked about how the fighting in Iraq has decreased and how that country is finally starting to stabilize. I wonder how much of that is due to our actions over there and how much is due to extremists simply backing down and biding their time until after our elections in November and the next president takes office in January knowing full well that if elected Obama is going to start immediate troop withdrawals.

    It is my opinion that if Obama is elected we are going to be in a world of hurt. I firmly believe that we are going to see a region wide destabilization in the middle east, and increase in the fighting, and a major increase in terrorist attacks world wide.

    Whether or not you are in agreement with the US going into Iraq and/or Afghanistan in the first place a person would need to be blind not to see that we need to stay until the job of stabilization is done in those countries.

    Unfortunately we have a lot of "blind" people living here.

    I don't pretend to understand your political system
    Our elections seem to be more of a popularity contest anymore rather than who can do the job the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uturn2001

    Our elections seem to be more of a popularity contest anymore rather than who can do the job the best.
    Hit the nail on the head! :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windwalker
    7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it
    daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that
    faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run
    for office. 4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in
    islam'"

    Then, this...

    HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN 'AFRO-CENTRIC'
    CHURCH IN CHICAGO
    It is amazing to me that he could have over 50 years of extremist religious beliefs in his mere 47 years on this planet...he must be really extreme. Or a time bender
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    When Obama can explain to me how you can be Christian and support Abortion and Gay Marriage then I will believe he is a Christian. No one is a perfect Christian and I believe hate the sin not the sinner but the bible is very clear on these two subjects.

    Dont believe everything you read on the internet, see on TV, or hear on talk radio.

    JUST CHECK HIS VOTING RECORD OR LACK THEREOF. All the politically dangerous votes he abstains from or is absent.

    Bush aint perfect but at least he is consistent and sticks to what he says and believes in, only time will tell if he is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ct77
    When Obama can explain to me how you can be Christian and support Abortion and Gay Marriage then I will believe he is a Christian.
    Sure the bible says being gay is wrong Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9

    Abortion, sure enough Exodus 21:22-25

    It also says that interracial marriage is wrong Deuteronomy 7:3-4

    How about keeping slaves? Leviticus 25:44-45

    How about shaving? Leviticus 19:27

    How about putting children to death for disrespecting thier parents? Leviticus 20:9

    Or are we only picking and choosing the parts of the Bible we wish to follow?

    Why not discuss McCain's divorce from his horribly disfigured wife to then marry his Mistress? Or his multiple extramarital affairs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marylandkw
    Quote Originally Posted by ct77
    When Obama can explain to me how you can be Christian and support Abortion and Gay Marriage then I will believe he is a Christian.
    Sure the bible says being gay is wrong Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9

    Abortion, sure enough Exodus 21:22-25

    It also says that interracial marriage is wrong Deuteronomy 7:3-4

    How about keeping slaves? Leviticus 25:44-45

    How about shaving? Leviticus 19:27

    How about putting children to death for disrespecting thier parents? Leviticus 20:9

    Or are we only picking and choosing the parts of the Bible we wish to follow?

    Why not discuss McCain's divorce from his horribly disfigured wife to then marry his Mistress? Or his multiple extramarital affairs?
    I agree 100% about McCain and how he left his wife, it definitely looks bad and we know what the bible says about adultery and divorce.

    Old and New Testaments concur on the sanctity of life and homosexuality being wrong.

    I see that you pulled a lot of Old Testament examples from Deuteronomy and Leviticus(Gods covenant with Israel), these were the laws given Moses by God before Jesus Christ.

    Galatians 3:23-25 "Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."

    If Barrack says that he believes in Christ okay I will take his word because I am not his judge and only the Lord knows what is in his heart.

    But from my humble understanding of the bible (people have been fighting about it for years) and what the Lord puts in my heart, Obama gives me the impression he is pandering just to get votes, he wouldnt be the first politician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marylandkw

    Or are we only picking and choosing the parts of the Bible we wish to follow?
    Most Christians do.

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    i know I used to before it bit me in the rearend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ct77
    Old and New Testaments concur on the sanctity of life and homosexuality being wrong.
    This is one we will have to disagree on somewhat. There is alot of very interesting debate on Homosexuality and the bible that far surpasses my abilities to argue logically. Sanctity of life I think we are on the same page. (that certainly does not mean we are right)

    Quote Originally Posted by ct77
    I see that you pulled a lot of Old Testament examples from Deuteronomy and Leviticus(Gods covenant with Israel), these were the laws given Moses by God before Jesus Christ.

    Galatians 3:23-25 "Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."
    OK, you win this one

    Quote Originally Posted by ct77
    If Barrack says that he believes in Christ okay I will take his word because I am not his judge and only the Lord knows what is in his heart.
    Amen

    Quote Originally Posted by ct77
    But from my humble understanding of the bible (people have been fighting about it for years) and what the Lord puts in my heart, Obama gives me the impression he is pandering just to get votes, he wouldnt be the first politician.
    As is McCain IMHO, and like you said, every other politician out there.

    I think we all need to decipher the Bible for ourselves and make sure we do our best to follow it. I however do not feel we need to run the country according to our individual interpretation of the Bible or whatever holy book you decide to base your beliefs off of.. I kinda like the whole separation of Church and State thing.
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    I can never believe the incredible "cr**P" people read on the internet and think it's true. More absolute drivel from the Republican right wing and Carl Rove.

    Please remember G.Bush created the largest beuacracy in the history of this country. The Department of Homeland Security. A agency that has a policy of letting millions of ILLEGALS enter our country!!
    Please remember, it is G.Bush and the Republicans that have taken what was once a $3 TRILLION projected surplus and turned it into a $9 TRILLION DEBT in the span of 8 short years!!! It was G.Bush that has NOT vetoed one single spending bill in his entire term of office. The is the LARGEST amount of DEBT incurred by any administration in our countries history. More than all other adminstrations COMBINED!!!
    This is the same administratrion that has had 4 Supreme Court decisions (Guantanamo prisoners, Patriot Act, portions) declared unconstiturtional!!
    This is the same administration, that in the "time of war" has had top level administration "out" a covert operative of the CIA! Then covered it up, then when found guilty was immediately pardoned. If such a event had occured during WWll the parties to treason would have been hung!
    Not to mention the loss of approximately 3 million+ good paying American jobs to a COMMUNIST country!!
    Face it folks, this administration and BOTH parties in Congress have sold you, your family and this country out. The government is broke!! The entire Iraq war is being financed by our new friends the COMMUNIST CHINESE!! The Federal Reserve, had to "bail out" the largest Wall Street brokerage houses and the entire mortgage industry from total collapse! When the Fed lowered the interest rate, for the bailout, it immediately made the American dollar sink even further in value in relation to world currencies!! Your money was IMMEDIATELY worth less!! This made the price of oil IMMEDIATELY cost more! Remember the price of oil is based on the value of the American dollar! Basically you and your family took a 20% pay cut to pay for this administrations and Congresses failings.
    I am now coming to the conclusion, I really don't give a hoot, who Obama is, anything is better than the path we are on.
    Sadly, this 4th of July, I see a beautiful country on the decline. It's brightest and greatest days becoming a distant memory, all due to the incompetence, and lies of this administration, the total corruption of Congress and the sheer gall and greed of corporate America.

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    Naysayers and internet rumors. total nonsense.

    Obama is the next president of the united states.

    everyday our inboxes are flooded with emails bashing obama. accusing like some orchestrated smear campaign.

    one could simply go to the official obama website and learn he was born in the united states. and who his father was, as well as his mother, how he was raised by his grandmother. and just about any other question one may have. follow the link, read it.
    stop listening to unfounded rumors. shut off your cb radio for a change.

    http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php

    i find the rumor mills not only frusttrating, but amussing to a point.

    I will vote obama. even though he has no experience. remember, JFK didnt either, and everyone thought he was the greatest.

    The reublicans have run this country into the ground in 8 short years. McBush will just continue the legacy.



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    I am white, and i have never been prouder to be an american than this day and age, when a black man, becomes the nominee for a major political party, and when elected to sit in the oval office, i will get on my knee's, kiss the ground we walk upon, and thank the lord, for just then, maybe, america will finally have grown up.

    thats my $.02 and that banking i can count on.

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    Do you have it "straight" Roses?

    Simple answer..... NO, you Don't!

    Like MOST "conservatives" you have it as straight as you can understand it. Your simple mind has swallowed whole all that Karl Rove has been paid to tell you, and you feel "comfortable" with that!

    You guys have bought into everything Rove and Bush have told you for 8 years now, and I don't see HOW you can possibly regain the intelligence to think for yourselves!

    And thanks to you and them, the country is in the worst condition it has been in since the Great Depression! Thank you!

    70% of your OWN party disagrees with Bush's policies, and wants CHANGE! So.... you are in a minority of Republicans!

    You all must be tired of running the country INTO THE GROUND by now.... so, why not take a rest break?? Oil and gasoline prices are at "critical" levels, many older Americans will DIE this winter because they have to choose between HEAT and FOOD! Thank You!

    You can be comforted by the fact they will be removed from the Medicaid roster, lowering your taxes on your precious wealth.

    MORE Americans will continue to DIE in foreign wars DEVISED by your leaders. Their families will thank you!

    MORE of your neighbors will lose their jobs to foreign workers either outside this country... OR from within. They will no longer be able to support their families. Many will go on Welfare.... others will commit suicide. Thank you!

    And the WORST that will happen is that a man with a funny name, that YOU ALL can't understand, and immediately DESPISE, will make some changes in the future of our country. A man with no more experience than the President who took us to the MOON, Backed down Kruschev and his missiles in Cuba, and CREATED the "peace Corps" and most NGO's that followed that have spread peace and medicine to Billions of oppressed people in the world, will have a shot at "Mending the wounds" YOUR type have caused.

    Will he have ALL the answers? I doubt it. No ONE man could! There are too many questions to be answered and too many problems to be solved after DECADES of Republican rule of either the Presidency or the Congress in this country! It may well be TOO LATE.... and too far gone!

    But, if it is.... Look to Nixon's desecration of the Constitution, Reagan's support of Despostism in the form of "Right Wing" governments in our own hemisphere, and the Bush Empire's wholesale auction of our industry to foreigners as the cause!

    NOT TO MENTION the arbitrarily HOSTILE stance we've taken militarily against nations who were NEVER meant to even DEAL with American ideals.... let alone suffer their "imposition".... and you MAY find some TRUTH concerning the wayward politics of recent years!

    But, it doesn't matter. Obama will be President, and have his chance. Or someone ELSE will. Either way.... America is ready for a change! We WILL move away from the fascist policies of the Bush Administration, or there WILL be another rebellion!

    Over 2/3rds of the country wants CHANGE! That is probably as close as we have EVER come, or EVER will, to another American Revolution! And as was the case the LAST time.... those with the MOST "arms" will not win the fight against those with the most HEART!

    Choose your side carefuly. Wear the Red coat of the Loyalist, or the Blue coat of the Revolutionary. The Blue Coats WON the Revolutionary War, The Bolshevicks defeated the greatest Army of their day. The Viet Cong reunited their country and pushed the Great American Army out!

    I am not extolling the VIRTUES of these "revolutionary armies," I am reminding you of their victories over the "Privileged" and their puppet governments! Do not forget the fate of Louis 14th and his wife! History regales the triumphs of the oppressed, and merely "notates" the empires of the corrupt!

    If nothing else, we ALL know that history tends to repeat itself. And one thing that was clear in history is that, changes of dynasties had LESS to do with the "name" or history of the leader...than it did with his message that was echoed by the masses!

    JUST a little food for thought!

    Happy Independence Day! And TRY to remember what we won our independence FROM! Autocratic Rule, Religious mandates, Class and Privilege, and prejudicial politics that created poverty!
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    Quote Originally Posted by marylandkw

    I think we all need to decipher the Bible for ourselves and make sure we do our best to follow it. I however do not feel we need to run the country according to our individual interpretation of the Bible or whatever holy book you decide to base your beliefs off of.. I kinda like the whole separation of Church and State thing.
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    I asked..
    I"d really like to have some straight answers from those who have actually did time researching to find the correct answers ????
    ..

    No where in that sentence did I say I have the answers nor did I say I beleived everything I've read ............... so Hobo .......... I'd appreciate if You'd read the question -- before pointing your finger in my face ...

    Hobo
    Do you have it "straight" Roses?

    Simple answer..... NO, you Don't!

    Like MOST "conservatives" you have it as straight as you can understand it. Your simple mind has swallowed whole all that Karl Rove has been paid to tell you, and you feel "comfortable" with that!
    YOU are so wrong :evil: !!!!!!!!! .... how dare you say I have a simple mind ... Where do you get off THINKING you have all the answers.

    I orginally asked for others opinons ..... I didn't say it was my opinon ..... but I knew that at some point you would have to 'set ' us straight. ......... Thank you for not dissappointing me.

    Hobo ..
    Like MOST "conservatives"
    You have NO CLUE who I am .... nor do I care to spend my time telling you which side of the street I'm going to vote on ..... Before you continue to TELL me and others - WHAT we are .... you best take a closer look at yourself.

    and I don't see HOW you can possibly regain the intelligence to think for yourselves!
    HOW DARE YOU to think so Big of Yourself .... it must be hard walking in your shoes ... telling the world and Me we don't have the intelligence to think for ourself. :evil:

    And thanks to you and them, the country is in the worst condition it has been in since the Great Depression! Thank you!
    You are sooooooooo off in left field ..... I NEVER VOTED FOR BUSH ... it's NOT MY FAULT ... the world is going to h@&& in a hand basket.

    70% of your OWN party disagrees with Bush's policies, and wants CHANGE! So.... you are in a minority of Republicans!
    AGAIN your completely wrong .... I carry a card and it doesn't say Republican on it ........... so get off my case :evil:

    MORE Americans will continue to DIE in foreign wars DEVISED by your leaders. Their families will thank you!
    I take Great offense to that :!: .... You keep saying 'you' as if Your talking to me ....... dude I hope your not :!: .

    Once again .... reread my question ....
    I"d really like to have some straight answers from those who have actually did time researching to find the correct answeres ????
    You've spent all this time tell ME and OTHERS that we're wrong and we've done nothing right ..... That wasn't the question ...
    Live the way you love .... and Love the way you live. .. Trace Adkins .........

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    actions. Watch your 'Actions,' they become habits. Watch your 'Habits,' they
    become character. Watch your 'Character,' for it becomes your Destiny.'

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    Hey Golfhobo,if you think the country is in the worst shape it has been since the Great Depression you must have forgotten the Seventies.

    And it took the Viet Cong three years after we left to finally win, we left in 72.

    Vietnam fell in 1975.

    Bolsheviks beating the greatest army of their day, well it wasnt the Czars army and the Russians surrendered to the Germans at Brest Litovsk in 1917. If you mean the Russians of the Second World War those were Soviets and they sure didnt beat the Germans on their own.

    Our economy was doing fine until 2006 elections and even though I do not blame the Democrats for the economy they were promising change in 2006 which I have yet to see occur. Anyone else notice that after the Irag war started going good the press and Democrats started talking about our bad economy 24/7 and is it a wonder that things take a turn for the worse.

    We still have not had negative growth period.

    As for our Soldiers its a volunteer army any soldier who is there is there of their own free will.

    I have lived over seas twenty years military and civilian, middle east and europe, our problem is we are spoiled rotten, our government copies the same behaviour we all exhibit(I am guilty too) spend and spend and borrow for stuff we dont need half the time.
    I have yet to see a country that lives as well as we do and we moan and groan just because the economy slows down.
    God help us if we really hit by something like the Depression our Grandparents or Parents experienced thy were used to having little and working much harder. America took longer to recover from it than almost every other country why because Roosevelts great social plans(they actually prolonged it.)
    Democrats, Republicans they are both guilty of fiscal irresponsibilty.

    Let Obama make his changes, we can boot him in four years, but just remember CHANGE goes both ways and I have yet to hear him talk about cutting taxes and spending(McCain either) which is the only thing proven to work. The German economy didnt start to grow until they started cutting taxes and spending. They had 10-11% unemployment
    for years and under 2% growth, after the Social Democrats got booted and taxes cut things started to go upwards.

    We all need to start saving,guit buying crap on credit and demand that our politicians not spend one cent until our budget is balanced.
    OURS IS NOT TO WONDER WHY
    OURS IS BUT TO DO OR DIE.

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