A inch is Given, a mile is taken!

[Slimland]

How is it foolish Fozzy? What is the diffrence-Beside's the subject? We have seen wars faught for Religion, Land, Disagreements etc.. I see no diffrence, Like I said a tool for man to use-- to impress there desire's upon another.. That is what War is all about.

Trying to imply that homosexuality, has had, or could ever have the influence to start the actual wars and wholesale slaughter that religion has in the short history of mankind is almost as stupid as the buffet religious types that use it as a defense for their bigotry every single day. To imply this especially since the recent circumstances in my life was either horribly blatant stupidity or yet another classless low blow by someone who thinks it will bolster support by other buffet types.. Either of these is something that I have grown accustom to in this venue.

My son was supported and well loved by a few relatives and friends who happen to be homosexuals.. he was killed by the same logic and barbarism that the buffet religious types historically love to use to condone their actions.. Same behavior.

Have a good life... I hope your beliefs make you continue to feel superior to those you hate...

Ok I have to edit this cause, I went to answer this and did, just in my mind.. Forgot to type it down, after hitting the submit button, realized I didn't say anything. :?

Trying to imply that homosexuality, has had, or could ever have the influence to start the actual wars and wholesale slaughter that religion has in the short history of mankind is almost as stupid as the buffet religious types that use it as a defense for their bigotry every single day.

My point Fozzy was it was there buisness.. You brought in the religious bigotry crap.. I was playing your game.. Just like WE used to do, I meant NO harm by it..
Maybe your not quit ready to be back in the debate area's! You seem to take this too personaly, and every comment on religion, polotics, or war. You seem to get a little testy and personal..

To imply this especially since the recent circumstances in my life was either horribly blatant stupidity or yet another classless low blow by someone who thinks it will bolster support by other buffet types.. Either of these is something that I have grown accustom to in this venue.

Case and point in the above.. Fozzy you know me better than that, You know that I like to argue and debate, wether I am the for or against..
This had NOTHING to do with you, or any of yours. It was for the sake of argument. So if you felt or where Offended, then I Apologize-- that was not my intention.

My son was supported and well loved by a few relatives and friends who happen to be homosexuals.. he was killed by the same logic and barbarism that the buffet religious types historically love to use to condone their actions.. Same behavior.

Again Both points have been proved, a tool for man to use..
As for Homosexuals you and I both have been down this road of discussion. I have Nothing against them, it is there life.. I might not agree with there lifestyle, but I do not judge them. AGAIN it was for the sake of argument. And Again maybe your not ready to argue yet. Your taking it personaly.

Have a good life... I hope your beliefs make you continue to feel superior to those you hate..

This is what sums it up Fozzy.. I don't hate, you read into it and took it personaly.. For what 3 almost 4 years we have talked and argued, Never in my remembrance have you or I took it personaly.. Why Now? No need to answer I know why.. So I do not hold it against you, I know your heart achs, and that my friend I take into consideration. Fozzy again I apologize for offending you, it was not my intention.. I was just doing what I do, fishing for my fish.. You just got caught, and IMOP wernt ready..

Sincerely
Slimland

[RebelDarlin]

How is it foolish Fozzy? What is the diffrence-Beside's the subject? We have seen wars faught for Religion, Land, Disagreements etc.. I see no diffrence, Like I said a tool for man to use-- to impress there desire's upon another.. That is what War is all about.

Trying to imply that homosexuality, has had, or could ever have the influence to start the actual wars and wholesale slaughter that religion has in the short history of mankind is almost as stupid as the buffet religious types that use it as a defense for their bigotry every single day. To imply this especially since the recent circumstances in my life was either horribly blatant stupidity or yet another classless low blow by someone who thinks it will bolster support by other buffet types.. Either of these is something that I have grown accustom to in this venue.

My son was supported and well loved by a few relatives and friends who happen to be homosexuals.. he was killed by the same logic and barbarism that the buffet religious types historically love to use to condone their actions.. Same behavior.

Have a good life... I hope your beliefs make you continue to feel superior to those you hate...

Talk about low blows! Fozzy you started this and now you're going to play the 'my son just died' card. That's a low blow! No one here said anything that would warrant that last attack.

I don't know how far out in the sticks you live, but in Chicago hate crimes against Gays and Lesbians are an almost daily occurence. It is a war! And my homosexual friends don't appreciate the activists such as this lesbian, adding any more fuel to the fire. It's stupid and selfish. Her demanding that photographer provide a service for her commitment ceremony is no different than somone demanding she go back in the closet. If she wants the right to live her life as she chooses she should allow other people to do the same! There is a vast difference between equal treatment and special treatment and using being homosexual to force people to do something against their beliefs is just as wrong as any other group insisting everyone live their way. And that includes you!

And when did the current war become a religious war? I must have missed that news brief! I also didn't see anyone except you say anything about hating anyone.

This discussion was about legal rights, you're the one making blanket accusations.

[Twilight Flyer]

It isn't foolish or insulting. Any time one group, whatever it is, tries to force their beliefs or opinions on another group it eventually leads to a fight. The battlefield right now is the court system, and our freedom is the only casualty because the Courts are trying to dictate what our moral view should be.

On a lighter note, I must admit that the thought of the 69th Gay Brigade, dressed up in pink camos and carrying loaded Gucci man-purses, got me to chuckling.



On a more serious note, everybody take a step back and a couple deep breaths. No need to let things get personal.

[RebelDarlin]

Maybe we should just have the Fab 5 come in and redecorate in a Zen theme, just to make everyone relax a bit more. :wink:

[Slimland]

It isn't foolish or insulting. Any time one group, whatever it is, tries to force their beliefs or opinions on another group it eventually leads to a fight. The battlefield right now is the court system, and our freedom is the only casualty because the Courts are trying to dictate what our moral view should be.

On a lighter note, I must admit that the thought of the 69th Gay Brigade, dressed up in pink camos and carrying loaded Gucci man-purses, got me to chuckling.



On a more serious note, everybody take a step back and a couple deep breaths. No need to let things get personal.

That would be an interesting site. :shock:

I dont' know if it was all meant to be personal, But givin the circumstances-- I understand and do not hold it against Fozzy. He IMOP is still a friend that I can disagree with, and Hope when time heals the wounds, he comes back to play.!

Slimland

[RebelDarlin]

Slim,

Losing a child is one of the hardest things any one can ever go through. You lose a part of yourself. Your world is turned upside down and inside out and it's hard to understand why the rest of the world is just going on as if nothing happened. Things that you wouldn' think twice about before, set off a reaction that sometimes, even you don't understand.

I hope at some level Fozzy knows this was never a personal attack against him or his family and friends. And most especially not about his son. I don't think there is anyone on this board that would sink that low, especially not you.

This one involved the 2 big No No's, religion and politics and those are topics that people very often take very personally, even when it isn't meant that way.

Reb

[Slimland]

Slim,

Losing a child is one of the hardest things any one can ever go through. You lose a part of yourself. Your world is turned upside down and inside out and it's hard to understand why the rest of the world is just going on as if nothing happened. Things that you wouldn' think twice about before, set off a reaction that sometimes, even you don't understand.

I hope at some level Fozzy knows this was never a personal attack against him or his family and friends. And most especially not about his son. I don't think there is anyone on this board that would sink that low, especially not you.

This one involved the 2 big No No's, religion and politics and those are topics that people very often take very personally, even when it isn't meant that way.

Reb

I can understand Fozzy real well in this area-- I lost one of my Twin Boys a month before he turned 3 years old.. Though it was his heart and not war, none the less it hurt. So my prayers to Fozzy and his family. That is one reason I didnt' take it personaly. The other is I think Fozzy has argued with me enough to understand me. :wink:

[golfhobo]

AW.... what the heck... I'll jump in here!

edited.

[Slimland]

AW.... what the heck... I'll jump in here!

edited.

Well what did you feel bad for that post? I read it-- I thought it was a little harsh towards Fozzy, even for you! You musta been in a mood, BUT I don't think you should delete it, but fix it a little. :wink:

[RebelDarlin]

Slim,

Losing a child is one of the hardest things any one can ever go through. You lose a part of yourself. Your world is turned upside down and inside out and it's hard to understand why the rest of the world is just going on as if nothing happened. Things that you wouldn' think twice about before, set off a reaction that sometimes, even you don't understand.

I hope at some level Fozzy knows this was never a personal attack against him or his family and friends. And most especially not about his son. I don't think there is anyone on this board that would sink that low, especially not you.

This one involved the 2 big No No's, religion and politics and those are topics that people very often take very personally, even when it isn't meant that way.

Reb

I can understand Fozzy real well in this area-- I lost one of my Twin Boys a month before he turned 3 years old.. Though it was his heart and not war, none the less it hurt. So my prayers to Fozzy and his family. That is one reason I didnt' take it personaly. The other is I think Fozzy has argued with me enough to understand me. :wink:

I understand too, I lost my youngest son at the age of 7 weeks to SIDS. He would be 20 now, and if he followed family tradition he would probably be in Iraq serving his Country. All things happen for a reason, whether we understand it or not.

Reb

[golfhobo]

Slim said:

Well what did you feel bad for that post? I read it-- I thought it was a little harsh towards Fozzy, even for you! You musta been in a mood, BUT I don't think you should delete it, but fix it a little.

If Fozzy wants to blame Religion for his son's death, nothing I say will change his mind. I LIKE arguing with Fozzy, and I have definite opinions about this war, but I feel that I cannot adequately voice them (when talking TO him) without offending him.... and that is NOT my intention.

[Karnajj]

Slim said:

Well what did you feel bad for that post? I read it-- I thought it was a little harsh towards Fozzy, even for you! You musta been in a mood, BUT I don't think you should delete it, but fix it a little.

If Fozzy wants to blame Religion for his son's death, nothing I say will change his mind. I LIKE arguing with Fozzy, and I have definite opinions about this war, but I feel that I cannot adequately voice them (when talking TO him) without offending him.... and that is NOT my intention.

Who gives a rats ass whether fozzy gets offended or not? Or am I misreading your post?

[Slimland]

Slim said:

Well what did you feel bad for that post? I read it-- I thought it was a little harsh towards Fozzy, even for you! You musta been in a mood, BUT I don't think you should delete it, but fix it a little.

If Fozzy wants to blame Religion for his son's death, nothing I say will change his mind. I LIKE arguing with Fozzy, and I have definite opinions about this war, but I feel that I cannot adequately voice them (when talking TO him) without offending him.... and that is NOT my intention.

Understand I do!