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    Default OPEC blames U.S. for rising cost of oil

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    VIENNA - OPEC on Wednesday accused the U.S. of economic “mismanagement” that it said is pushing oil prices to new record highs and rebuffed calls to boost output, laying the blame on the Bush administration.

    Oil prices surged for the first time past $104 a barrel after the OPEC announcement and the release of a U.S. government report showing a surprise drop in crude oil stockpiles.

    The 13-nation Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries said it would maintain current production levels because crude supplies are plentiful and demand is expected to weaken in the second quarter.

    OPEC President Chakib Khelil told reporters the global market is being affected by what he called “the mismanagement of the U.S. economy,” and that America’s problems were a key factor in the cartel’s decision to hold off on any action.

    “If the prices are high, definitely they are not due to a lack of crude. They are due to what’s happening in the U.S.,” Khelil said. “There is sufficient supply. There’s plenty of oil there.”

    Khelil’s comments came one day after U.S. President George W. Bush lashed out at the organization, warning Tuesday: “I think it’s a mistake to have your biggest customers’ economies slowing down as a result of higher energy prices.”

    White House spokesman Dana Perino said Wednesday that Bush was “disappointed” OPEC didn’t do more to rein in prices, which some say are pushing the U.S. economy into recession.

    Analyst John Hall, of John Hall Associates in London, said OPEC probably should have added oil to the market as Bush had asked.

    “But in this time of intense geopolitical tension, it would be difficult for Saudi (Arabia) or any other producer to acquiesce simply because President Bush had asked them to,” he said. “In the short term, any true respite for the consumer is still out of reach.”

    Although OPEC opted not to intervene, it did pledge to maintain “constant vigilance” over the market.

    Khelil said he and OPEC’s secretary-general were authorized to call an extraordinary meeting or hold phone consultations “at any time, depending on the pressures on the market” — an apparent gesture to ease global economic jitters.

    There had been some speculation that OPEC might actually cut production — a move that would drive prices even higher, along with profits for cartel members — but Khelil said a cut was not discussed at Wednesday’s meeting. He said OPEC had no plans to meet again before its next scheduled conference in September.

    Earlier in the week, price hawks Venezuela and Iran indicated they planned to push for less production.

    Khelil said crude stocks were well within their five-year average and the 13-nation group was not inclined to either boost or reduce its current output of about 32 million barrels a day. OPEC satisfies roughly 40 percent of the world’s demand for crude.

    OPEC said it “highlighted the economic slowdown in the U.S., which, together with the deepening credit crisis in financial markets, is increasing the downside risks for world economic growth and consequently demand for crude oil.”

    “Crude oil prices are being strongly influenced by the weakness in the U.S. dollar, rising inflation and significant flow of funds into the commodities market,” it said.

    Oil shot up a dramatic 19 percent last month as the falling dollar prompted speculators and other investors to shift cash to crude and other commodities as a hedge. Among other reasons for the spike: tensions in the oil-rich Middle East and Turkey’s incursion into northern Iraq.

    Key cartel members said this week that prices in the $85 to $90 per barrel range would be optimal.

    But oil’s only direction Wednesday was up.

    Light, sweet crude for April delivery rose $2.02 to $101.54 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange by the afternoon in Europe — amid growing expectations that it stood to climb even higher.

    “There’s an ongoing stampede to be a part of the crude oil rally,” said Tim Evans, an analyst at Citigroup Inc., in New York.

    Hall said OPEC was partly to blame for economic woes in the U.S. and elsewhere. “By helping the price to rise, they have fueled inflation and they’re fueling recession,” he said.

    But Stephen Schork, editor of The Schork Report, which keeps tabs on global energy markets and trends, said the cartel may not have had much choice.

    “If you’re OPEC, you see ample supplies and questionable demand,” he said.

    Schork gave OPEC credit for not pushing through a cut in output, which “would legitimize the bullish speculation we’ve seen since February” and risk sending oil to $120 a barrel or higher.

    The 13 OPEC members are Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Iraq is the only member not subject to the cartel’s output quotas.
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    The 13 OPEC members are Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Iraq is the only member not subject to the cartel’s output quotas.
    Well hell, we're there. Anybody else for making Iraq our 51st state? :?

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    "Although OPEC opted not to intervene, it did pledge to maintain “constant vigilance” over the market."

    Yeah...that's right...don't opt to intervene for any of our sake you rotten SOB's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
    The 13 OPEC members are Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Iraq is the only member not subject to the cartel’s output quotas.
    Well hell, we're there. Anybody else for making Iraq our 51st state? :?
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    if we make irag our 51st state, you know what that means, we will have another million trucks on the road, with turban on their heads crapping down holes in their sleepers. now how would that make you feel

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    crapping down holes in their sleepers. now how would that make you feel
    More car washes? :?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokk

    if we make irag our 51st state, you know what that means, we will have another million trucks on the road, with turbans on their heads crapping down holes in their sleepers. now how would that make you feel
    Yeah, Rokk!!

    Just imagine all those Iraqi drivers having to learn to speak SPANISH!!

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    if we make irag our 51st state, you know what that means, we will have another million trucks on the road, with turbans on their heads crapping down holes in their sleepers. now how would that make you feel
    Yeah, Rokk!!

    Just imagine all those Iraqi drivers having to learn to speak SPANISH!!
    nah wouldnt they just have a suicide bomber on board, with a sticker on side of sleeper, speak english or go boom !

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    OPEC has a history of using oil prices as a POLITICAL WEAPON. It's an "ECONOMIC WAR". They want us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. The longer we stay there, the higher the price will go.

    Now, that does not bother me nearly as much as the fact that we are saying "YES, SAHIB", and letting them do it, when we've had the technology to BYPASS them for decades. We have the ability to make oil worth about the same as it was three hundred years ago... A thick, smelly, gooey substance that nobody wanted. Except for some of the byproducts. But, we aren't doing anything with that technology. WHY :?: :?: :?:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windwalker
    OPEC has a history of using oil prices as a POLITICAL WEAPON. It's an "ECONOMIC WAR". They want us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. The longer we stay there, the higher the price will go.

    Now, that does not bother me nearly as much as the fact that we are saying "YES, SAHIB", and letting them do it, when we've had the technology to BYPASS them for decades. We have the ability to make oil worth about the same as it was three hundred years ago... A thick, smelly, gooey substance that nobody wanted. Except for some of the byproducts. But, we aren't doing anything with that technology. WHY :?: :?: :?:
    you know WW, thats a damn good question. We all know that we have the technology to NOT have to rely heavily on oil, but I believe it has something to do with the "Big 3" auto manufacturers. Remember the car from 1948 called the Tucker? It was way ahead of its time, but once the "Big 3" put him out of business....America didn't start seeing those advances till the 60's. Our goverment and big business are hand in hand with each other IMHO.


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    well get rid of the communist global warming BS and start deregulating the oil companies here and start drilling more here since we do have more oil off our shores and in alaska along with texas and throughout alot of this great country and start to biuild some more refineries here. It has been proven over and over that we have a bigger supplt of oil here than Saudi Arabia does any way but the enviromentalists won't ket us touch it
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    Quote Originally Posted by fast forward
    well get rid of the communist global warming BS and start deregulating the oil companies here and start drilling more here since we do have more oil off our shores and in alaska along with texas and throughout alot of this great country and start to biuild some more refineries here. It has been proven over and over that we have a bigger supplt of oil here than Saudi Arabia does any way but the enviromentalists won't ket us touch it
    None of that is going to happen if Obama and/or Hillary move into the whitehouse. Hell, it won't happen if McCain wins either. No one in our government is willing to stand up and fight anymore. More of the status quo.
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    Did you know there is 1 trillion... yes trillion barrels of oil trapped in shale rock in Colorado and Wyoming? That is 5x's the reserves in Saudi Arabia. The problem is finding an economically feasible and environmentally friendly way of extracting this stuff from the rock. Not that I give a crap about the environmentally friendly thng all that much, but the current method of extraction leaves an extremely toxic byproduct.

    The process they're working on now involved super-heating the ground for a period of years to let the oil "seep" out of the shale. If we could find a way feasible way to extract this oil and tap some of the other oil resources we have at our disposal, we can get the hell out of Iraq and let Israel deal with that God forsaken part of the world.

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    Yeah, its always the USA's fault...it has nothing to do with those3 couple billion or so Chinese and Indian people burning the stuff up faster than we ever thought about. Heard a story about the up coming olympics in China. They said Chine had, I think the number was 16 of the most polluted cities in the WORLD!!! Athletes are opting to not train over there at all and not even go there until the last minute due to the air being bad for their performance...we are the cause of all the bad air in the world and all the oil being used

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    I don't buy into the 'blame the USA' routine, but there's an element of truth in what the guy quoted in the article says. Supply and demand alone don't account for $110 oil. Falling dollar value is a part of it, overseas demand is a part of it, and our own refusal to adjust our lifestyles is a part of it. All that being said, the biggest issue right now is speculation. He may say it's caused by economic mismanagement and others may say it's caused by other forces, but the bidding is beyond reasonable right now.

    Non-stock money has to go somewhere, and as people start betting one way or another concerning a recession there tends to be more and more money leaving the stock market. The traditional avenues are not exactly attractive. CMO's? Yeah, right. Newly issued bonds? They don't pay crap as interest rates fall. Outstanding bonds? They have skyrocketed in price as interest rates have fallen, so their actual outlay isn't very attractive (even if we ignore any recent increases in default risk). So the money flows into gold and oil - two things that people are pretty certain we'll always buy. Other commodities have likewise had a good run recently.

    If the big banks manage to dig up enough cash to work their way out of the current liquidity crunch, I think you'll see the markets stabilize late in the summer. That should cut into the speculation, moderate prices, and quite possibly cause some of the more greedy folks to take a bath on their oil plays.

    My fear, however, is that we've made it abundantly clear that we (the end consumer) will just keep lining up and buying oil at whatever price it takes. This might embolden our "friend" Khelil and his ilk to cut production in order to maintain the high prices. The only long-term fix is to enact our own methods of moderating prices. Take your pick - increased domestic production, increased efficiency, use of ethanol to create competition, threats of withdrawing support and letting the wackos in the Middle East overrun their "friendly" dictators, etc. I don't know man.
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    Maybe I just look at it differently but from what I see that oil is selling on the stock market and companies and individuals investing in oil futures is driving the price.... not OPEC

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    Everyone gets bend out of shape for when some other leaders talk against our country even though, EVERYTHING REPORTED IN THAT ARTICLE HOLDS WATER AND ITS TRUE.

    Main reason for high fuel is IN FACT WORTHLESS CURRENCY OF OUR COUNTRY,dollar has fallen to a record lows and since all trading has done in dollars, more diollars are needed to buy that barrel.
    Why isnt our dollar worth a *****, well, its because of our governments policies, low interest rates and weak economy overall.

    Opec has nothing to do with it, theres plenty of oil to go around, our own stockpiles are acctualy rising and there is no need to PUMP more just because we said so.

    If you compare the price hikes around the globe with that of our own, you'll come to a conclusion that prices have risen here the most compared to Europe, where gas went up some 10 cents per gallon with the current barrel trading at about 105.

    Its our fault and nobody else is to blame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokk
    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer
    The 13 OPEC members are Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Iraq is the only member not subject to the cartel’s output quotas.
    Well hell, we're there. Anybody else for making Iraq our 51st state? :?
    TW,

    if we make irag our 51st state, you know what that means, we will have another million trucks on the road, with turban on their heads crapping down holes in their sleepers. now how would that make you feel
    8) Anybody on here know where I can buy a TURBAN. Also, thanks for the idea of a, "hole in the sleeper." I've been trying to figure out a way to put a tolet in my truck.(379 large car!) I bet it would work in my house also?

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