Bush wants money back from wounded soldiers!

[golfhobo]

I suppose THIS is how the Bush Administration SUPPORTS our troops, while condescendingly insinuating that Democrats WON'T!!

http://kdka.com/kdkainvestigators/mi....2.571660.html

"The U.S. Military is demanding that thousands of wounded service personnel give back signing bonuses because they are unable to serve out their commitments.

To get people to sign up, the military gives enlistment bonuses up to $30,000 in some cases.

Now men and women who have lost arms, legs, eyesight, hearing and can no longer serve are being ordered to pay some of that money back.

One of them is Jordan Fox, a young soldier from the South Hills.

He finds solace in the hundreds of boxes he loads onto a truck in Carnegie. In each box is a care package that will be sent to a man or woman serving in Iraq. It was in his name Operation Pittsburgh Pride was started.

Fox was seriously injured when a roadside bomb blew up his vehicle. He was knocked unconscious. His back was injured and lost all vision in his right eye.

A few months later Fox was sent home. His injuries prohibited him from fulfilling three months of his commitment. A few days ago, he received a letter from the military demanding nearly $3,000 of his signing bonus back...."

I'm so SICK of this "excuse" for a President! He gives Millions (if not billions) of dollars in "no-bid contracts" to Halliburton, and then wants a few thousand back from a wounded VET!! (And ALL wounded vets!) And then has the CAJONES to insinuate that the Dems won't support our troops! :shock:

If any of YOU are part of the dwindling 30% of Americans who still SUPPORT this idiot/criminal..... you should be ASHAMED of yourselves.... and should seriously consider sterilization before it's TOO LATE! :shock:

[Fozzy]

You and this article are full of it... so they do not get bonuses for the jobs they cannot do. This does not mean that they are not compensated for their injuries or their disabilities .. more Bushophobia and crying from the same old source.

[Rev.Vassago]

That is a broad leap you've made to accuse Bush specifically of doing this (and yes, you did it, in the title of your thread). Seems that it is the US Military doing it, and it probably is written in the agreement that each enlisted man signs prior to receiving a penny.

[Double R]

And now it is time for the rest of the story:
http://kdka.com/local/Iraq.veteran.b....2.592432.html
Updated today. Saw it on the five o'clock news.

[golfhobo]

You and this article are full of it... so they do not get bonuses for the jobs they cannot do. This does not mean that they are not compensated for their injuries or their disabilities .. more Bushophobia and crying from the same old source.

Well... I heard it first on FOX NEWS.... so it HAS to be "Fair and Balanced" right? The bonuses were NOT offered for completing a "job." They were enlistment or re-enlistment bonuses offered just to get them BACK into the war! Furthermore..... there have been multiple stories lately on ALL news networks, of returning vets who are not getting proper treatment!

So, YOU.... Fozzy.... are full of it! THIS particular case is not EVEN the one I heard all weekend about the guy who was rated as ONLY 10% disability ( which "I" have for NOTHING!) who had massive brain trauma from an IED!! Are you friggin BLIND??? Or just stupidly stubborn??

Again.... I must say I HOPE your son returns HEALTHY, and in NO WAY dependant on the BROKEN system of the V.A.!!! I'd hate to hear you sing a different TUNE!! It just wouldn't be YOU! :shock:

[golfhobo]

That is a broad leap you've made to accuse Bush specifically of doing this (and yes, you did it, in the title of your thread). Seems that it is the US Military doing it, and it probably is written in the agreement that each enlisted man signs prior to receiving a penny.

You're DAMM RIGHT I did! He is the Commander in Chief of our military! He has politicked on his being a "Wartime President." He has overridden every attempt by the Democratic led Congress to control his actions. He IS responsible for this war AND the treatment of its Veterans! [And, as I said, he continues to accuse Dems of NOT supporting our TROOPS.... just because they don't support HIS war!]

I don't KNOW what is in the fine print, anymore than YOU do, but I know what should NOT be in the fine print.... and that is a renegging clause!

If a man/woman is offered an incentive to re-enlist in the military (specifically to go to Iraq,) and is injured/killed in that effort (what a shock THAT could happen) he/she has to PAY BACK part of that bonus??? I've NEVER heard of this in my entire LIFE, let alone my military career (during which I WAS offered a re-enlistment bonus.)

The ONLY thing that surprises me about this.... is that (even with 70% of Americans against the war, and a like number of Republicans in Congress who are showing a tendency towards "defection,") is that I actually heard it on the MOUTHPIECE of the Bush Administration.... FOX NEWS!!

Perhaps, O'Reilly is wrong! The media may NOT be as "biased" as he has stated!

[Fozzy]

That is a broad leap you've made to accuse Bush specifically of doing this (and yes, you did it, in the title of your thread). Seems that it is the US Military doing it, and it probably is written in the agreement that each enlisted man signs prior to receiving a penny.

You're DAMM RIGHT I did! He is the Commander in Chief of our military! He has politicked on his being a "Wartime President." He has overridden every attempt by the Democratic led Congress to control his actions. He IS responsible for this war AND the treatment of its Veterans! [And, as I said, he continues to accuse Dems of NOT supporting our TROOPS.... just because they don't support HIS war!]

I don't KNOW what is in the fine print, anymore than YOU do, but I know what should NOT be in the fine print.... and that is a renegging clause!

If a man/woman is offered an incentive to re-enlist in the military (specifically to go to Iraq,) and is injured/killed in that effort (what a shock THAT could happen) he/she has to PAY BACK part of that bonus??? I've NEVER heard of this in my entire LIFE, let alone my military career (during which I WAS offered a re-enlistment bonus.)

The ONLY thing that surprises me about this.... is that (even with 70% of Americans against the war, and a like number of Republicans in Congress who are showing a tendency towards "defection,") is that I actually heard it on the MOUTHPIECE of the Bush Administration.... FOX NEWS!!

Perhaps, O'Reilly is wrong! The media may NOT be as "biased" as he has stated!

Throw Tantrums much? it's just more Bush hate.. I realize that you wake every morning, bound out to the kitchen and eagerly look for the turd in the cereal box.. but sheesh!

[golfhobo]

And now it is time for the rest of the story:

http://kdka.com/local/Iraq.veteran.b....2.592432.html

Updated today. Saw it on the five o'clock news.

And NONE of this alters the FACTS! In fact, they are still not even accepting any BLAME! They are saying.... "well, um.... we'll look INTO it!" They are covering their butts because they got caught!!

Major Nathan Banks, Army spokesperson: "We are. We are ... definitely working it out. We have seen where the problems have been made, the system, and we're just making - you know, give us the opportunity to make a wrong a right." [Um.... stumble over your apologies much?]

The Pentagon will not comment on allegations that thousands of other soldiers just sent home from Iraq and other invasions, including Afghanistan, will not receive these sorts of bills. They cannot comment on those cases.

Talk about adding INSULT to INJURY!!!! And the fact that they plead IGNORANCE is supposed to give me solace?? That's what we need.... more IGNORANT people in charge of the WAR... and the AFTERMATH for our Veterans!

The WAR was illegal, because the PREMISE for the war was illegally "coerced" by our President from our CIA Director... Voted for by a Congress that was LIED to... The Conduct of the war was incompetent! .... The aftermath of the war, in Iraq, was not even CONSIDERED by this administration, and has been poorly managed ever since.

IF the "surge" has worked in ANY way (mostly because the Sunnis have NOW been armed BY THE U.S. to patrol their own neighborhoods,) I can ONLY wonder WHAT took this President, his Sec of Defense, and his Generals 5 YEARS and nearly 4,000 dead to figure OUT??

And the result is that we MAY someday have changed a regime in an oil rich country like Iraq..... while Bin Laden and his Al Quaida network thrive on the border of one of our ALLIES?? Somehow, this is supposed to make ME (and YOU) feel SAFER???

Our country is nearly bankrupt.... and heavily in debt to an ENEMY nation (china) for a war we have not won, NONE of our objectives (save the elimination of a dictator) have been accomplished.... at the cost of nearly 4,000 brave American soldiers, and the perpetrators of 9/11 are being all but protected by one of our allies..... we are on the brink of yet ANOTHER war with Iran over nuclear weapons that we CANNOT prove exist or ever WILL!

You want to talk about the "REST of the Story??" Bring it on!! I haven't even BEGUN to list the abject FAILINGS of this President and his administration! There are so many, I don't even know where to START! But, I take PERSONAL offense to his LIES about caring for the wounded Vets, while allowing such a "recompensation" policy to stand!

Of ALL the unmitigated GALL.... to ask a wounded Vet to repay part of his enlistement bonus..... when MILLIONS are being wasted by Halliburton!!

[Uturn2001]

It does not look like anyone here is saying that something is not totally screwed up with the system somewhere. The argument against this is the blaming of one individual for this screwup when there has been no evidence given showing where Bush, or anyone in the Executive Office, is responsible or even knew about this before it hit the media.

I do not know if you ever were in the military, but there is one little fact. All too often the pinky does not know what the thumb is doing on the same hand.

It would not surprise me one bit if these letters were computer generated and the program used was very basic and the criteria for generating a letter demanding reimbursement of the enlistment bonus was simply not completing the tour, period. No thought given as to legit reasons for not completing the tour and added to the program.

[PackRatTDI]

It does not look like anyone here is saying that something is not totally screwed up with the system somewhere. The argument against this is the blaming of one individual for this screwup when there has been no evidence given showing where Bush, or anyone in the Executive Office, is responsible or even knew about this before it hit the media.

I do not know if you ever were in the military, but there is one little fact. All too often the pinky does not know what the thumb is doing on the same hand.

It would not surprise me one bit if these letters were computer generated and the program used was very basic and the criteria for generating a letter demanding reimbursement of the enlistment bonus was simply not completing the tour, period. No thought given as to legit reasons for not completing the tour and added to the program.

Don't interject logic while golf is on his rant.

[golfhobo]

It does not look like anyone here is saying that something is not totally screwed up with the system somewhere. The argument against this is the blaming of one individual for this screwup when there has been no evidence given showing where Bush, or anyone in the Executive Office, is responsible or even knew about this before it hit the media.

I do not know if you ever were in the military, but there is one little fact. All too often the pinky does not know what the thumb is doing on the same hand.

It would not surprise me one bit if these letters were computer generated and the program used was very basic and the criteria for generating a letter demanding reimbursement of the enlistment bonus was simply not completing the tour, period. No thought given as to legit reasons for not completing the tour and added to the program.

So.... Uturn, you are for giving the "W" a pass on this? He took the country to WAR, but had no idea how to wage one. He made the intelligence FIT his desires to go to war. He changed his strategy and purpose when it made him look good. He accused any detractor as being first "unpatriotic' and then "weak and unsupportive of the troops."

He SHOULD have known there would be many casualties, and he is certainly aware of the anti-war sentiment. He has suffered the embarrassment of the mold at Walter Reed.

You think he just didn't have TIME?? Or just didn't CARE.... to make sure that NO AMERICAN soldier would suffer from a longstanding "computer generated" program that sought recompensation from enlistment bonuses??

I don't know.... but if it were ME in that "hot seat," I"d make sure that ALL MY BASES were 'covered!'

What does he DO all day?? Pardon turkeys?? He doesn't have TIME to get with his Sec of Defense and consider at least the most pertinent programs that affect our military personnel? Retirement, medical care, pay? Jeez.... I guess he just wants to send them over there to die, and if any of them come back alive.... he'll deal with those policies and concerns LATER???

Sure.... the major blame rests on those who serve under him.... but that's part of the problem. He has a bunch of idiots serviing under him, and he isn't smart enough to KNOW that.... and he has no intention of LEARNING what he doesn't KNOW! Just start a war, and let the Generals fight it out!

He was MORE involved in the contracts, regulations, and fiscal health of his BASEBALL TEAM!!

It's the hypocricy that bothers me, for ONE thing! He has made public promises to give our troops, and especially those returning wounded, his best efforts and the full support of our government. Then.... THIS!

It shows what I've said all along.... he talks the talk, but can't walk the walk!

Yes.... "I" was in the military! And I understand SNAFU!! But, perhaps it is the fact that HE never "served" a day in his life, that robs him of the basic understanding of his responsibilities as CIC, especially in wartime!

You want to blame it on the "computer," yet here we are..... SIX years later, and we've had returning vets with problems all this time. But, NO ONE has considered this?? I say it means NO ONE has considered the VET, the SOLDIER. Nor the COSTS or RAMIFICATIONS of this war! And that is the problem. He wants to meet his objectives, and he couldn't care LESS about the consequences!

I understand Military incompetence! It ruined my career AND my life! And, I didn't hold the President responsible for it at the time. But, I wasn't in a WAR! My President wasn't in a WAR! And my President didn't have the gall to INSULT my party for not doing what HE was not doing! Nor to stand up in front of VFW crowds and proclaim his CONCERN for the man in uniform, and then FORGET to do what he said he would DO for them!

He thinks calling them all HEROES relieves him of his responsibilities to be their LEADER! By deflecting the glory, he deflects the blame!

He has said that "sending our young men into war is an awesome responsibility," yet he hasn't got the time to ensure that their return trip is paid for! He is nothing but a bag of wind!

I understand your "logical" explanation of HOW this might have happened. But, I have long lost any faith that this President has ANY idea what is happening as a result of his MEGAPHONIC bloviations to the world! And I hold him personally responsible for EVERYTHING that has happened as a result of his "performance" on the world stage!

His amplified and bragadocious comments of "The Whole World will hear from us soon!" has fallen on unimpressed ears! They are laughing at us, and selling our currency SHORT on the market! His "six-gun" diplomacy has failed, and even his own citizens KNOW it!

On another forum, 2 years before his FIRST "stolen" election, I WARNED others of what would happen... and I have been proven right! In EVERY aspect of his policies, I was proven right. So... you can laugh at me for "ranting," if you want...... but it was not "I" who was fooled by this FOOL!!

[Rev.Vassago]

Golfhobo = Consider


Tin foil hats for all.

[golfhobo]

Golfhobo = Consider


Tin foil hats for all.

Ha Ha.... that would be ALMOST funny..... IF you could refute even ONE thing I said. But, you can't. So you aren't even mildly amusing!

[Rev.Vassago]

Golfhobo = Consider


Tin foil hats for all.

Ha Ha.... that would be ALMOST funny..... IF you could refute even ONE thing I said. But, you can't. So you aren't even mildly amusing!

Actually, the first thing I said in this thread refuted what you said. Plus, the fact that they have said the bill went out in error refutes what you said. But that takes your entire argument away, so go ahead and ignore it. I'll do the same to you.

Get your tin foil hats, folks! While they last!

Rev consider the facts here. He being W Bush came into office with a Surplus in the budget. First thing he does gives the largest tax cut in history in the nation to the UPPER 1% only basically then 9/11 occurs and we end up at war. Now all of a sudden the spending of the nation is skyrocketing smart thing to do is CANCEL THOSE CUTS TO PAY FOR THE WAR. What does he do TELLS THE NATION TO GO SHOPPING TO PREVENT THE TERROISTS FROM WINNING. Meantine the Economy tanked due to the Airlines and Hotel industry losses so he had to bail them out then HE STARTS ANOTHER WAR IN ANOTHER COUNTRY. Rev we have spent over 1.6 Trillion dollars in IRAQ in the last 5 years so far what do we have to show for it.

[golfhobo]

Golfhobo = Consider


Tin foil hats for all.

Ha Ha.... that would be ALMOST funny..... IF you could refute even ONE thing I said. But, you can't. So you aren't even mildly amusing!

Actually, the first thing I said in this thread refuted what you said. Plus, the fact that they have said the bill went out in error refutes what you said. But that takes your entire argument away, so go ahead and ignore it. I'll do the same to you.

Get your tin foil hats, folks! While they last!

Wrong again, Rev! As I sit here this morning getting ready to go out, FOXNEWS is interviewing a congressman who had to initiate a Bill to overturn what he says is the CURRENT POLICY of the Defense Dept.

They've had to scramble like MAD to cover their butts, because someone finally called them on it!! They had to KNOW what they were doing..... and they'd have kept on doing it, if a soldier hadn't complained!

Have a nice week..... with you head buried there in the sand! :wink:

One of these days, you just MAY run out of excuses and apologies for this President!

[Fozzy]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rev.Vassago]

Rev consider the facts here. He being W Bush came into office with a Surplus in the budget.

Nope. There was no surplus. It was a paper surplus, which was based upon assumptions that the economy of the 90's would continue to increase. When the dot com crash happened (UNDER CLINTON, BTW), the dreams of a surplus crashed with it.

First thing he does gives the largest tax cut in history in the nation to the UPPER 1%

I remember a tax cut being given to everyone. In fact, I even got a check in the mail. Sure, the wealthiest got the biggest tax cut. After all, THEY ARE THE ONES PAYING MOST OF THE TAXES.

You also left out the reason for the tax cuts. Bush saw it, Greenspan saw it, everyone with half a brain saw it. The economy was entering a recession. Oil prices were skyrocketing and the stock market was in a tailspin. The tax cuts were given to try to spur growth. And it did. The housing boom was the result of this. However, it was fun while it lasted. The Democrats took back control of the congress, and look at what we have now. Fuel prices out of control, a housing slump, a monster recession. And no, I'm not blaming the democrats any more than I'm blaming Bush. The President had little to do with it, as did the Congress.

only basically then 9/11 occurs and we end up at war. Now all of a sudden the spending of the nation is skyrocketing smart thing to do is CANCEL THOSE CUTS TO PAY FOR THE WAR.

"Cancel those cuts" = raise taxes. Why not call it what it is? The economy was already in a downfall

What does he do TELLS THE NATION TO GO SHOPPING TO PREVENT THE TERROISTS FROM WINNING. Meantine the Economy tanked due to the Airlines and Hotel industry losses so he had to bail them out then HE STARTS ANOTHER WAR IN ANOTHER COUNTRY.

No, the economy began to tank about 4 years AFTER 9/11.

Rev we have spent over 1.6 Trillion dollars in IRAQ in the last 5 years so far what do we have to show for it.

A lot.

[Rev.Vassago]

Wrong again, Rev! As I sit here this morning getting ready to go out, FOXNEWS is interviewing a congressman who had to initiate a Bill to overturn what he says is the CURRENT POLICY of the Defense Dept.

Prove it. Show me a link to an article. The only one i've seen says that it was sent in error. Or are you going to pull a Dawn and say "Trust me".

Rev I do not call close to 4k soldiers dead fuel prices tripled a military that is so close to being broken from constant combat that they are using STOP LOSS and giving 30 grand bounuses to keep people in and 20 grand to get you into the military. Also at the time of that tax cut I also got my 500 bucks BIG FREAKING DEAL. Considering the fact that the upper 1%ers had their tax rate lowered to less than what mine became made me madder than heck.

Bush only cares about 2 kinds of people Oil and those that are worth 9 figures the rest of us he would pee on us rather than look us in the eye. When he called those opposed to his actions unpatriotic including Max Celland who gave 3 limbs for this country SORRY THAT WAS WRONG. I have 2 close friends in the Army one is on is 3rd tour the other is on his 4th tour of Iraq both of them want out of the Army however because of their MOS being just INFANTRYMAN they can not get out. They were Stop LOSSED last year until further notice. My Brother just got notice he is stop lossed as a Master Sagrent in the Air Force why because they are needing Shop Chiefs so bad they will not let anyone with less than 30 years out of the Air Force once they become a Shop Chief.