Mexico dynamite truck explosion kills 34

[golfhobo]

Sorry, he's working OVERTIME!

[golfhobo]

NOW, he's wanting "double time" and weekends off! (he's been listening to CFM!!) :shock:

[golfhobo]

This is ridiculous! NOW he's FIRED!!! PERIOD!! And I'm gonna screw him on his DAC!!

[PackRatTDI]

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Well, if they DID, it would be hard to haul a load of illegal Mexican immigrants from say... Kansas to Long Island! Only trucks coming out of MEXICO could haul such illegal "freight."

What's this got to do with illegal immigrants? Oh that's right, JACK ****.

Maybe it's just a COMMON PRACTICE for Mexican drivers, and there was an eyewitness to it!

Eyewitnesses can be wrong, just ask any defense attorney.

Oh yeah, it happens quite OFTEN..... usually when the driver is an "illegal." MOST reports of accidents lately, involving American Drivers, indicate that the driver stuck around, co-operated with the police, and was CHARGED!

I had a driver damage my mirror in a pilot pulling out and he didn't stop.

Ah.... but they DID!! And I suspect that all those companies you mentioned WOULD, indeed, make a public comment if one of their drivers caused an accident that killed 34 people!

They did? Find me a video link.

No, it's not terribly unusual..... but it usually makes the FoxNews and CNN headlines! And, if it caused the death of 34 people..... it would be ALL they talked about for 3 days!

It's newsworthy because it killed 34 people, not because it exploded. It just happened to explode at the wrong place at the wrong time. Which has nothing to do with it being Mexican, or illegal immigrants or whatever you happen to come up with.

You accused the reporter of "grasping at straws." That indicates that you didn't believe it was newsworthy, and was only "sensationalized" because of the Mexican Driver issue. Had it not been for that issue, you indicated that you believed it should NOT have been reported.... or at least not linked to a viable issue. This equates to "sweeping it under the rug" which is tantamount to "hiding something."

No, I said the writer was grasping at straws trying to tie this into the Mexican driver issue, not for reporting the story. There's a difference. It's a newsworthy story, but trying to tie in to the other issue is the reporter trying to press his opinion on the reader.

[Karnajj]

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Well, if they DID, it would be hard to haul a load of illegal Mexican immigrants from say... Kansas to Long Island! Only trucks coming out of MEXICO could haul such illegal "freight."

What's this got to do with illegal immigrants? Oh that's right, JACK $&!+.

Maybe it's just a COMMON PRACTICE for Mexican drivers, and there was an eyewitness to it!

Eyewitnesses can be wrong, just ask any defense attorney.

Oh yeah, it happens quite OFTEN..... usually when the driver is an "illegal." MOST reports of accidents lately, involving American Drivers, indicate that the driver stuck around, co-operated with the police, and was CHARGED!

I had a driver damage my mirror in a pilot pulling out and he didn't stop.

Ah.... but they DID!! And I suspect that all those companies you mentioned WOULD, indeed, make a public comment if one of their drivers caused an accident that killed 34 people!

They did? Find me a video link.

No, it's not terribly unusual..... but it usually makes the FoxNews and CNN headlines! And, if it caused the death of 34 people..... it would be ALL they talked about for 3 days!

It's newsworthy because it killed 34 people, not because it exploded. It just happened to explode at the wrong place at the wrong time. Which has nothing to do with it being Mexican, or illegal immigrants or whatever you happen to come up with.

You accused the reporter of "grasping at straws." That indicates that you didn't believe it was newsworthy, and was only "sensationalized" because of the Mexican Driver issue. Had it not been for that issue, you indicated that you believed it should NOT have been reported.... or at least not linked to a viable issue. This equates to "sweeping it under the rug" which is tantamount to "hiding something."

No, I said the writer was grasping at straws trying to tie this into the Mexican driver issue, not for reporting the story. There's a difference. It's a newsworthy story, but trying to tie in to the other issue is the reporter trying to press his opinion on the reader.

Pack Rat your problem is that you are to close to the problem to see it clearly. You seem to think that Las Cruces is a representative community of the U.S. as a whole but the reality is it isn't ANYTHING like the rest of America (thank God for that). Your community is already a lost cause and the rest of us are just trying to make sure that our communities don't go down the same path as Las Cruces. You may like it the way it is down there but don't make the mistake in thinking that the rest of us would.[/b]

[PackRatTDI]

Pack Rat your problem is that you are to close to the problem to see it clearly. You seem to think that Las Cruces is a representative community of the U.S. as a whole but the reality is it isn't ANYTHING like the rest of America (thank God for that). Your community is already a lost cause and the rest of us are just trying to make sure that our communities don't go down the same path as Las Cruces. You may like it the way it is down there but don't make the mistake in thinking that the rest of us would.[/b]

What the hell are you talking about? :?

[Karnajj]

Pack Rat your problem is that you are to close to the problem to see it clearly. You seem to think that Las Cruces is a representative community of the U.S. as a whole but the reality is it isn't ANYTHING like the rest of America (thank God for that). Your community is already a lost cause and the rest of us are just trying to make sure that our communities don't go down the same path as Las Cruces. You may like it the way it is down there but don't make the mistake in thinking that the rest of us would.[/b]

What the hell are you talking about? :?

Never mind. I didn't think you'd get it. Thanks for not disappointing me.

[Fozzy]

Pack Rat your problem is that you are to close to the problem to see it clearly. You seem to think that Las Cruces is a representative community of the U.S. as a whole but the reality is it isn't ANYTHING like the rest of America (thank God for that). Your community is already a lost cause and the rest of us are just trying to make sure that our communities don't go down the same path as Las Cruces. You may like it the way it is down there but don't make the mistake in thinking that the rest of us would.[/b]

What the hell are you talking about? :?

He/she is just another alarmist/isolationist who love to talk about scary thing that brown people do...

[PackRatTDI]

Pack Rat your problem is that you are to close to the problem to see it clearly. You seem to think that Las Cruces is a representative community of the U.S. as a whole but the reality is it isn't ANYTHING like the rest of America (thank God for that). Your community is already a lost cause and the rest of us are just trying to make sure that our communities don't go down the same path as Las Cruces. You may like it the way it is down there but don't make the mistake in thinking that the rest of us would.[/b]

What the hell are you talking about? :?

Never mind. I didn't think you'd get it. Thanks for not disappointing me.

No, why don't you explain it to me? Are you implying that we are a "lost cause" because of all the dirty Mexicans who live here? You don't like Latinos? Please, share with us what your point is because it looks like to me that your saying exactly that.

And you're one to talk **** about another town, you live in Ohio's *******.

[Karnajj]

Pack Rat your problem is that you are to close to the problem to see it clearly. You seem to think that Las Cruces is a representative community of the U.S. as a whole but the reality is it isn't ANYTHING like the rest of America (thank God for that). Your community is already a lost cause and the rest of us are just trying to make sure that our communities don't go down the same path as Las Cruces. You may like it the way it is down there but don't make the mistake in thinking that the rest of us would.[/b]

What the hell are you talking about? :?

He/she is just another alarmist/isolationist who love to talk about scary thing that brown people do...

And you sir have absolutely nothing worthwhile to offer. As I said before you have become irrelevant.

[Fozzy]

Pack Rat your problem is that you are to close to the problem to see it clearly. You seem to think that Las Cruces is a representative community of the U.S. as a whole but the reality is it isn't ANYTHING like the rest of America (thank God for that). Your community is already a lost cause and the rest of us are just trying to make sure that our communities don't go down the same path as Las Cruces. You may like it the way it is down there but don't make the mistake in thinking that the rest of us would.[/b]

What the hell are you talking about? :?

He/she is just another alarmist/isolationist who love to talk about scary thing that brown people do...

And you sir have absolutely nothing worthwhile to offer. As I said before you have become irrelevant.

And of course that is why you keep responding right?

[PackRatTDI]

Pack Rat your problem is that you are to close to the problem to see it clearly. You seem to think that Las Cruces is a representative community of the U.S. as a whole but the reality is it isn't ANYTHING like the rest of America (thank God for that). Your community is already a lost cause and the rest of us are just trying to make sure that our communities don't go down the same path as Las Cruces. You may like it the way it is down there but don't make the mistake in thinking that the rest of us would.[/b]

What the hell are you talking about? :?

He/she is just another alarmist/isolationist who love to talk about scary thing that brown people do...

And you sir have absolutely nothing worthwhile to offer. As I said before you have become irrelevant.

And of course that is why you keep responding right?

He makes you relevant by repeatedly telling you you're irrelevant.

[Fozzy]

Yes, but he/she is too stupid to figure that out.

[golfhobo]

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Could it have been his HOS violation? Or his illegal driver's licence? Or just his lack of integrity to stay and face charges? (I'm not saying any of these are necessarily TRUE.)

Because we all know that NEVER happens in the US.

Oh yeah, it happens quite OFTEN..... usually when the driver is an "illegal." MOST reports of accidents lately, involving American Drivers, indicate that the driver stuck around, co-operated with the police, and was CHARGED!

And is the lack of comment by the company involved (not Mexican, but operating from there) going to be the normal response by companies in Mexico IF and WHEN such an accident happens here in the U.S.???

Does Swift, Schneider or JB Hunt make comments on every single accident that their trucks have? I don't recall the company that owned that truck that destroyed that bridge in San Jose (or wherever) in California giving a press conference.

Ah.... but they DID!! And I suspect that all those companies you mentioned WOULD, indeed, make a public comment if one of their drivers caused an accident that killed 34 people!

First, I never meant to say they gave a press conference. I said they made a public comment. In fact, they have refused to be INTERVIEWED by news agencies. However, they DID release a comment (attached at the end of this post.)

Second, the fact that they did NOT want to answer questions from the press might indicate that they have something to HIDE! Indeed, that is the case as CHP yanked their Hazmat license for OPERATING UNIDENTIFIED LOCATIONS (thereby elluding inspections.)

http://cbs5.com/investigates/local_story_145163024.html

So, whereas YOU tried to use this company as an example of some upstanding American trucking company, on a PAR with Schneider, Swift, etc., I would submit that they have acted EXACTLY as the company in Mexico did, and perhaps for the SAME REASONS.

And "THIS" is exactly what many of us are concerned about with the Mexican Trucking companies..... UNSAFE trucks, SUBVERSION of regulations and inspections, HIRING drivers with criminal backgrounds for dangerous loads, who then might RUN when involved in an accident, etc., etc.

But, you're right about ONE thing! We already HAVE enough unsafe, questionable companies operating in Mexifornia and elsewhere that need MORE attention from the FMCSA and other agencies. We don't need to IMPORT them!

The company's public comment.... for the record:

"Representatives from Sabek Transportation, Inc. are not giving interviews to the media at this time.

The investigation of the accident which occured on April 29, 2007 has not yet been completed. We are fully cooperating with officials being mindful of our driver's privacy rights. Additionally, we are conducting our own internal investigation.

What has been confirmed thus far, is that our driver left the Vallejo Refinery, located in Benicia, in route to the first delivery at a service station in Oakland whn the accident occured. His truck was loaded with 8,600 gallons of unleaded fuel. Following the accident, our driver miraculously escaped and is currently recovering in a local hospital. Our focus remians on our driver's continued recovery and request that his privacy be respected. We are thankful that it is anticipated that our driver will make a full recovery and that no fatalities occured as a result of this accident.

Although the exact cause of the accident has yet to be determined, the driver was tested for alcohol/drug use and it appears at this time not to play a role. Further, our driver has had a safe driving record during his entire employment with Sabek Transportation, Inc. and meets all licensing and endorsement requirements as dictated by the state of California.

We would like to thank Caltrans, the Oakland Fire Department, the California Highway Patrol and all other agencies that have responded to the scene and who are working diligently on repairing the effected roadway.

Lastly, we apologize to all commuters in the Bay Area for the great inconvenience this will cause."

(© MMVII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)

[PackRatTDI]

First, I never meant to say they gave a press conference.

Well, unfortunately that's what you said. Try thinking before you speak next time. :wink:

[golfhobo]

First, I never meant to say they gave a press conference.

Well, unfortunately that's what you said. Try thinking before you speak next time. :wink:

Actually, I said:

And is the lack of comment by the company....

YOU mentioned a press conference, and I missed the difference. I knew I remembered HEARING the company STATEMENT.

But, you're right.... I should practice what I preach about COMPREHENSION! :wink: