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Thread: HOS ruling being thrown out?

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    geomon is offline Senior Board Member
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    Wellll this is interesting.

    Court throws out key HOS provisions

    By Sean Kilcarr, senior editor

    Jul 24, 2007 1:35 PM


    In a stunning reversal of efforts to revamp federal hours-of-service (HOS) regulations governing the working time of commercial truck drivers, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit has struck down the 11-hour drive time and 34-hour restart provisions of the HOS rules that were put in place over three years ago.

    “We grant the petition filed by Public Citizen … and conclude that the [Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration] agency violated the Administrative Procedure Act because it failed to give interested parties an opportunity to comment on the methodology of the crash-risk model that the agency used to justify an increase in the maximum number of daily and weekly hours that truck drivers may drive and work,” said Chief Justice Merrick Garland in the court’s written opinion.
    “We also find that the agency failed to provide an explanation for critical elements of that methodology,” Garland added.

    Both Public Citizen and the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association (OOIDA) filed suit against FMCSA last year seeking to throw out the current rules, with the case being argued before the court on December 4. While the court granted Public Citizen’s motion to throw out the 11-hour drive time and 34-hour restart provision, it did not grant OOIDA’s petition to restore more flexible split-sleeper berth rules.
    “OOIDA specifically objects to FMCSA’s decision that the 2-hour break used to qualify (in part) for the sleeper-birth exception to the daily off-duty requirement may not be used to extend the 14-hour daily on-duty limit … and contends that this aspect of the rule discourages drivers from taking breaks during their remaining 12 hours of eligible drive time,” the court said.

    “But FMCSA based the modification of the sleeper-berth exception not on concerns about driver health but rather on its well-supported finding that the 8-hour requirement would reduce fatigue-related accidents,” the opinion added. “For the foregoing reasons, we deny OOIDA’s petition.”
    FMCSA now has 45 days to petition the court for reconsideration. Such requests are rarely granted and if the court refuses, the original order takes effect within seven days of that refusal. FMCSA has already released a statement saying: "We are analyzing the decision issued today to understand the court's findings as well as determine the agency's next steps to prevent driver fatigue, ensure safe and efficient motor carrier operations and save lives. This decision does not go into effect until September 14, unless the court orders otherwise."

    Anyone involved in the case can also seek a stay of the court order, which would keep the current HOS provisions in place pending further action by FMCSA or possible Congressional action. The American Trucking Assns. has already signaled its intentions to request a court stay that would allow the 11-hour daily drive time and 34-hour restart provisions to remain in place until the agency can reevaluate the regulations.
    To view the court's decision, go to: http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov (.pdf).

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    You're the 3rd or 4th now :P

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    Ooops...

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    Can I start a new topic about it? There's only 4 concerning it now...
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    Oh, Geo... It's always a bummer when you think you have some really cool dirt, only to get hammered by the admin. <sigh>

    Well, just to bolster your ego, I'll add to this thread instead of searching for the other ones which Yoopr mentioned.

    Swift sent out a fleet-wide QC today telling us of the court ruling. After reading it, I thought I'd best be havin' a look-see on CAD and find out the skinny. They said that they will provide an update once safety has a chance to review the ruling. Further, they told us not to change our current logging (giggle) practices until we are instructed to do so...
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    Hola Clint....

    Yep...I shoulda had a look around the ol cadscape before posting that. It will be interesting to hear what your safety dept says about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geomon
    Hola Clint....

    Yep...I shoulda had a look around the ol cadscape before posting that. It will be interesting to hear what your safety dept says about it.
    I'd love to be a fly on the wall in All of the Safety depts.
    Interested in what TF has to say on this

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    so since the court thru this ruling out......what exactly does that mean for a driver???

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    That's the Problem-Nobody knows

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    according to the FMCSA site they have till around Sept 14 to do something, but also talked about only 45 days also. Should be interesting to see what happens.
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    Here is the statement from the FMCSA site

    We are analyzing the decision issued today to understand the court's findings as well as determine the agency’s next steps to prevent driver fatigue, ensure safe and efficient motor carrier operations and save lives. This decision does not go into effect until September 14, unless the court orders otherwise."
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdriver1959
    Here is the statement from the FMCSA site

    We are analyzing the decision issued today to understand the court's findings as well as determine the agency’s next steps to prevent driver fatigue, ensure safe and efficient motor carrier operations and save lives. This decision does not go into effect until September 14, unless the court orders otherwise."

    you mean the decision to throw out the new HOS will go into effect september 14th? and they have until then to come up with some new rules or go back to the old ones? that stinks!

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    yup kind of leaves us in limbo till they decide what exactly they are going to do

    I really hope they leave the 34 hour restart in place as it is helpful to have hours back on the weekend

    As my boss says cant they just leave it alone
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    We are analyzing the decision issued today to understand the court's findings as well as determine the agency’s next steps to prevent driver fatigue, ensure safe and efficient motor carrier operations and save lives.

    What a bunch of Drama Queens. I drove forever on the old HOS and not a Peep from anybody and now and I think they've changed the HOS 4 times ?

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    not sure they made changes in 2003 and 2005 but cant think of when the other time was.

    I use to run on the old rules and they worked okay but would like to see the 34 hour reset as we are usually off friday afternoon till sunday or monday depending on the schedule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdriver1959
    not sure they made changes in 2003 and 2005 but cant think of when the other time was.

    I use to run on the old rules and they worked okay but would like to see the 34 hour reset as we are usually off friday afternoon till sunday or monday depending on the schedule.
    I'm with you on this. Go back to the old rules but keep the reset and set it at 24 hours.
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