Dubya pays his bills!

[bulldog2036]

Bush and Clinton are the dogs that did the pony....

[larz0142]

Vince Foster oops....who dat?

[larz0142]

It's funny how libs always forget..murder,adultry,cattlegate..do I need to carry on?This is stupid everytime you bring up stuff like Clinton and the world thought Iraq has WMD's.How about the failed mission of Haiti??Haiti?No wonder the whole Islamic world thought the could whip U.S.I really wan't the libs to win so we canprove again what a colassial mistake they are...(not really)but it would shut them up...

Larz you threw out Haiti wasn't it the BUSH ADMINISTRTION in 2003 that said we would be greeted with as LIBERATORS in IRAQ. Also in EVERYONE of CLINTONS pardons or comutions of sentance the person had already served his or her time. Scooter Libbey had not even started to serve his time yet. Also Bush is the same guy that told the POPE himself that he would not commute the sentace of a woman on death row that was a victim of domestic abuse while he was Governor of Texas he instead danced while she was sent to the DEATH Chamber it was said.

[Fozzy]

Larz you threw out Haiti wasn't it the BUSH ADMINISTRTION in 2003 that said we would be greeted with as LIBERATORS in IRAQ. Also in EVERYONE of CLINTONS pardons or comutions of sentance the person had already served his or her time. Scooter Libbey had not even started to serve his time yet. Also Bush is the same guy that told the POPE himself that he would not commute the sentace of a woman on death row that was a victim of domestic abuse while he was Governor of Texas he instead danced while she was sent to the DEATH Chamber it was said.

so this woman was put on death row and executed for being the victim of domestic abuse? This sounds about as stupid as some of the other stories the Bush haters come up with...

Fozzy she murdered her abusive husband to get away from him. Her husband was going thru restraing orders and stuff like that and the state of Texas refused to help her at all so she killed him to end her terror. She was sentanced to death and the Pope John Paul the Second appealed to George W Bush for clemoncy for her and he said Bush told the Pope quote I WILL NEVER OVERTURN THE WILL OF A JURY. Now one of his senior staff gets convicted of a minor crime and is supposed to serve 30 months and all of a sudden that is to severe of a punishment. Next thing we know is the jury's decison is thrown out and he does not even serve a day. Before you say Libby was picked on by a Democratic judge here are the partculars EVERYONE THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS CASE WAS REPUBLICAN FROM THE PROSACUTOR TO THE JUDGE. the proscacutor is the one that put Ryan here in IL behind bars so he does not care who you are.

[Fozzy]

Fozzy she murdered her abusive husband to get away from him. Her husband was going thru restraing orders and stuff like that and the state of Texas refused to help her at all so she killed him to end her terror. .

That’s pure, unadulterated bull cookies! This woman was proven to be a murderer, she went through the appeals process and not one time did the juries think that she was the victim and not the murderer. She was tried (several times) by juries of her peers and was rightly executed for her crime.

She was sentanced to death and the Pope John Paul the Second appealed to George W Bush for clemoncy for her and he said Bush told the Pope quote I WILL NEVER OVERTURN THE WILL OF A JURY. .

The last time I checked, the Pope wasn’t on the jury, he wasn’t in Texas and he wasn’t even an American citizen. AND the last person on the face of the planet that can talk about clemency and mercy is a friggen Catholic Pope! The Catholic Church has been the cause of more death and human suffering than almost anything else in the history of the world.

Now one of his senior staff gets convicted of a minor crime and is supposed to serve 30 months and all of a sudden that is to severe of a punishment. Next thing we know is the jury's decison is thrown out and he does not even serve a day.

What was the “crime”? The crime that Libby was set up to take the fall on was not even mentioned in the show trial.

Before you say Libby was picked on by a Democratic judge here are the partculars EVERYONE THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS CASE WAS REPUBLICAN FROM THE PROSACUTOR TO THE JUDGE. .

Doesn’t matter in the least…

the proscacutor is the one that put Ryan here in IL behind bars so he does not care who you are.

Also doesn’t matter in the least… He was not convicted of any crime related to the case.

[greg3564]

I think these presidential pardons should be outlawed. The law is abused. It's nothing but a get out of jail card for the elite and connected.

The bottom line is that these people went through the criminal justice system and were found guilty by a jury. Normal everday people do not have the luxury afforded to them by the president.

I t doesn't matter if it was Bush, Clinton or any other president who's been in office.

[Fozzy]

This President has not pardoned anyone lately...

[Karnajj]

Also in EVERYONE of CLINTONS pardons or comutions of sentance the person had already served his or her time.

Everyone eh? That's pretty good. Did you make that up in the spur of the moment or did you have to think about it for a while?
You are so ignorant you don't even see your own mistakes. Why commute a sentence if its already been served? Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?

[greg3564]

This President has not pardoned anyone lately...

I was talking about George H.W. Bush. But the current Bush will pardon people too.

[Aligator]

I think these presidential pardons should be outlawed. The law is abused. It's nothing but a get out of jail card for the elite and connected.

The bottom line is that these people went through the criminal justice system and were found guilty by a jury. Normal everday people do not have the luxury afforded to them by the president.

I t doesn't matter if it was Bush, Clinton or any other president who's been in office.

No, sometimes the Presidential pardon is used well and is appropriate, especially when the offender has paid for his crime and redeemed himself through exemplary public service.

Read "Racehoss, Big Emma's Boy", the true story of Albert Race Sample...He recieved a full pardon, was granted all his rights back. And he deserved it.

Born in 1930 in Texas, Sample was the mixed-race son of Emma (a hard-drinking black prostitute and gambler) and Mr. Albert (a wealthy white cotton broker and one of her tricks). He emerged from an abusive childhood an angry young man on a straight path to the penitentiary. By his early 20s, Sample was serving a 30-year prison sentence at Retrieve, a plantation-style prison known as “the burnin’ hell.”

After a profound spiritual awakening, Sample's future changed dramatically. In 1972, he was released after serving 17 years and soon received a full pardon and restoration of all civil rights. Sample went on to become the first ex-convict in Texas to work out of the Governor’s office and to serve on the staff of the State Bar of Texas. In recognition for his work in the field of corrections and rehabilitation of ex-offenders, he received numerous high-profile humanitarian awards. This true American treasure passed away on May 19, 2005.

[continental]

This whole situation reminds me of the righteous bank robber;
All the cops are talking about is that four banks that I robbed,
what about those thousands of banks, that I did NOT rob?

[golfhobo]

Twilight Flyer said:

Yoopr hit it dead on, even if it was a cut-and-paste job. As far as pardoning convicted criminals, all presidents do it. Clinton simply took it to new heights that will never again be seen.

Sorry, T/F.... not true. Of the 42 presidents up to Clinton, TWENTY of them provided MORE clemency actions than Clinton.... including Nixon at 926 (twice Clinton's 456.) And Clinton produced a mere 50 more than Reagan (406) and Ford (409.)

And yeah, Clinton was a scumbag, although I will certainly admit that he was a smart one. He didn't garner the monicker "Slick Willie" for being a short-bus rider.

And speaking from a neutral standpoint,

Neutral?? :shock: :shock: :shock:

Bush did not pardon Libby. He commuted the 31 month prison sentence, of which Libby would probably have served 12 months, if that. Libby still has probation, still has a felony, and most important of all, is still responsible for his $250,000 fine.

As I said at the beginning, I never used the word pardon. I would have settled for him serving 12 months! Sorry.... Probabation is "gone" since the sentence is "commuted." And Cheney's already paid the fine for him... a drop in the bucket in "protection money."

That's hardly a pardon and this is not the political whirlwind that democrats seem to think it is. In the overall scheme of things, it shouldn't even be a blip on the radar...it was that minor.

It seems that many REPUBLICANS in Congress and elsewhere disagree with you. Minor?? :shock: M-a-y-b-e if he'd waited til his last day in office, and Scooter was sitting in jail somewhere, and he "pardoned" him at THAT time, it might have been considered "minor." But, to have done so IMMEDIATELY after the court decision, before he served a day, smacks of total DISREGARD for the law of the land. The same attitude that makes Cheney think he doesn't have to follow even the Executive orders of the President!

But in today's political climate, even a sneeze will garner front page headlines.

And WHO is responsible for the political climate?? A President and V.P. who consider themselves ABOVE THE LAW.

The thing is with this commuting of sentace Libby is 100% free with no Probation 10buck says on Bush's last day he will be pardoned now. Our current President has taken disregard of the law to new heights he routinely put signing statements on bills that state this part of this law does not apply to me or my administration at anytime. He sealed all records of his administration for 50 years the second he took office. What is next for this guy to do declare martial law better not give him any ideas.

[Orangetxguy]

:mrgreen:

Wow. Still beating this thing???

Presidents do...what dey got to due !!!!


:moose:

[golfhobo]

Part Time Dweller:

Besides the fact that you thought Clinton wasn't charged with lying to a Grand Jury, you also brought up Marc Rich. I read the Time article. It didn't really say much, and offered no real facts concerning the case or its outcome. However, I found another one you might find interesting.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLI...inton.library/

Here are a few excerpts.....

Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff testified Thursday he believes prosecutors of billionaire financier Marc Rich "misconstrued the facts and the law" when they went after Rich on tax evasion charges.

"No, sir," Libby responded. "There are no facts that I know of that support the criminality of the client based on the tax returns."

Libby then said prosecutors from the Southern District of New York "misconstrued the facts and the law" when they prosecuted Rich.

"(Rich) had not violated the tax laws," said Libby.

And more importantly, and to show some difference between that case and the way the current administration has stonewalled the Libby prosecution.....

Clinton waived executive privilege, allowing his former advisers to appear without a legal dispute.

So.... even LIBBY thought there was no case against Marc Rich. The statutes under which he was indicted no longer exist. He was apparently the ONLY individual that was prosecuted for something that MANY oil companies were doing at the time.

And Clinton PROVIDED for the testimony of his aides in the matter.... something Bush has repeatedly avoided by claiming "executive privilege."

I think you are comparing apples to oranges.

Oh.... and my favorite flavor of Koolaid is Coors Light! :wink:

[golfhobo]

:mrgreen:

Wow. Still beating this thing???

Presidents do...what dey got to due !!!!


:moose:

Sorry, Orange guy! I never started a thread that went 4 pages before, and I only got to post on page ONE (maybe 2?) before going on the "run from HELL!"

I'm just "catching up" if you don't mind. :wink:

Yes they are BIG TIME remember this the Republican party spent 90 MILLION dollars investigating Clintion and all they finally nailed him for eventally was receiving oral sex from an intern and lying about it on an UNRELATED CIVIL CASE. Remember this what they were investigating was Whitewater NOT THE PAULA JONES CASE. How they strecthed Jones into Whitewater took some serious jumping.

[Orangetxguy]

:mrgreen:

Wow. Still beating this thing???

Presidents do...what dey got to due !!!!


:moose:

Sorry, Orange guy! I never started a thread that went 4 pages before, and I only got to post on page ONE (maybe 2?) before going on the "run from HELL!"

I'm just "catching up" if you don't mind. :wink: